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/r/Plex's Build Help Thread - 2021-01-08

/r/Plex's Build Help Thread - 2021-01-08

cdeckplus

Anyone have any thoughts on the new Mac Mini M1 as a primary Plex media server? Pros or cons?


largepanda

It's still very new and hasn't been battle tested yet. It would likely make a pretty decent Plex server, but don't get it as a Plex server unless you want to deal with growing pains.


Tamariniak

Do I plug the DVR into my server or can I plug it into my HTPC (Client)? Are there DVR models that support stimultaneous streaming of multiple channels to different devices? Is a LibreELEC-KODI HTPC okay or should I use a different OS?


scorpionMaster

I think you'll find these support pages helpful: [PleX - Support - Articles - Live TV & DVR (Set Up and Manage)](https://support.plex.tv/articles/225877347-live-tv-dvr/) [PleX - Support - Articles - Frequently Asked Questions – DVR & Live TV](https://support.plex.tv/articles/226463767-frequently-asked-questions-dvr-live-tv/) [PleX - Support - Articles - Supported Tuner and Antenna list](https://support.plex.tv/articles/225877427-supported-dvr-tuners-and-antennas/)


cgaels6650

Can someone ELI5 the benefits of upgrading my plex server? Right now I use an i5 Intel NUC connected to a 2 TB Seagate External hard drive. Everything works great and rather seamless. If I have more than 4 people streaming things get rough or if I try to play 4k while others stream its challenging. What are the benefits of getting into a NAS and other more complicated set ups?


jomack16

are you transcoding 4k? If you are and plan to continue, then I would go for a box with a dedicated graphics card (and buy plex pass) so you can enable hardware transcoding and let the gpu do the heavy lifting. Something like a 1660 and up should be good for this. If you are transcoding 4k, but would like to stop this from happening, then you could implement Tautulli and the kill\_stream scripts from JBOPS. I make use of this second option and have my 4K movies in a separate library, so I can make use of the script with the logic that if it is transcoding the video and comes from the "Movies - 4K" library, then kill the stream.


cgaels6650

Nah all the 4k I play is direct stream


cgaels6650

Tho I never had 4k content until recently and my users have been nil of late due to the lack of content being released. So great advice


corruptboomerang

Regarding Intel QuickSync, beyond 4th gen, is there significant advantage to the newer CPU's (Skylake vs Apollo Lake vs Kirby Lake vs Ice Lake)? Obviously you get a few more encoding/decoding options with the newer CPU's and likely slight power efficiencies but any other major advantages or just get whatever is cheapest?


largepanda

For stuff that Plex cares about: * Skylake QSV (QSV version 5, Intel 6th gen) brought encoder output that isn't garbage, and made Intel chips such insanely good Plex transcoding servers. * Kaby/Covfefe Lake QSV (QSV version 6, Intel 7th/8th/9th gen, 10th gen desktop) brought HEVC 10-bit decoding. * Ice Lake QSV (QSV version 7, Intel mobile 10th gen) brought hardware tonemapping (HDR->SDR conversion) * Tiger/Rocket Lake QSV (QSV version 8, Intel 11th gen) didn't bring anything of note, other than perhaps AV-1 decoding if you're downloading AV-1 encoded YouTube videos for some reason. Not having HEVC 10-bit hardware decoding is a big downside, but the other changes aren't anywhere near as big or notable unless you really need one of them. So anything Kaby Lake or newer should be good, unless you ***really*** want to transcode from 4K HDR all the time for some reason.


LogicWavelength

Hi r/Plex! I am currently redoing my home network and server setup. I have just acquired a 1U Dell R320 with a Xeon E5-2470 and 32GB RAM that I’d like to use as a Plex server. I RARELY use Plex, but when I do it’s just me watching 50Mbps/full 4K/HDR movies on my TV and my current Plex server/box (a desktop with an i5-2400 and 16GB RAM) buffers every minute. It’s unwatchable. Other relevant info: whole network is hardwired solid copper CAT6 through an HP ProCurve gigabit switch. **Will the E5-2470 be up to the task of serving these high quality movies without falling on its face?**


scorpionMaster

What's your client device? Is it requiring a transcode? Check in the [Plex Dashboard](https://support.plex.tv/articles/200871837-status-and-dashboard/).


LogicWavelength

Do I have to check while it’s streaming something? I am also planning on buying a new TV, and I don’t know which one, so I let’s just assume transcoding...


scorpionMaster

Yes, while something is streaming. If you check the Dashboard while nothing is streaming, you'll notice a big, blank screen. What client are you using that is stuttering? I'm just trying to know why it's stuttering right now. Generally, TV clients are not as good as separate media players. The most-recommended client is an [Nvidia Shield Pro](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shield/shield-tv-pro/). It has gigabit ethernet, and excellent codec support.


LogicWavelength

Gotcha. Yea - like I said I just have a collection of favorite movies, but I don’t watch them often. I really intend on using it to be a Minecraft server for my son, and Plex is secondary. I’m currently using the Samsung SmartTV app, but I just tested from my workstation (i7-9600, 2070 SUPER, 16GB RAM) and it stutters from there too via web player... so it’s gotta be the server, right? And no I can’t use the workstation as the Plex server. It’s from my company.


scorpionMaster

I bet it's transcoding for the web player too. **Check your dashboard!!!!** Get a better client if you want to direct play h.265 content!


LogicWavelength

OK SORRY I DIDNT GET IT haha


scorpionMaster

<3 Get yourself a Shield pro and enjoy it.


LogicWavelength

OK... so I'm doing like 50 things at once right now, but [this](https://i.redd.it/k77qycd8jdb61.jpg) doesn't look like transcoding to me.


scorpionMaster

Hm, I'd verify network speed using iPerf.


jbg1194

Is an Intel i3 4340 still a decent CPU for Plex? It seems to work well for me but I do have occasional moments where I think something newer might be better (poor quality when watching AVI or h265 files on my Fire TV despite having "play original quality" turned on). I have about 4-5 active users and usually 1-2 streams at a time with constant DVR recording every day. Any advice or suggestions? Thanks!


Bgrngod

Transcoding more than 1x 1080p at a time is going to be a rough go. It has quick sync, but an ancient version of it that frankly, kinds sucks. If you users can avoid video transcoding, it will work fantastically. The dvr role might slow it down though if you're doing commercial removal and stuff.


jbg1194

Thanks! I just realized that I need a monitor or dummy plug plugged in for quicksync to work, so I haven't even been taking advantage of that. I'll probably upgrade to something more recent to get the full benefit of quicksync


Dan1elSan

After my Alienware alpha just died (cmos battery but not working after replacement following many guides). I’m looking for something to replace it with. Generally it’ll be local network stuff, direct play 4K HDR DV content. I have three remote viewers who would need a transcode not 4K content that is separate and only available locally just 1080p. Anybody have any ideas of a smaller form factor PC that could handle this. Thanks in advance! I’d been looking at both the Intel i7 Hades Canyon Radeon Vega Gaming NUC Mini PC Kit Or the bog standard Intel NUC10i7FNH NUC 10 Performance Mini PC Kit - Intel Core i7 Processor Any ideas or different suggestions?


scorpionMaster

Consider spending the [$120 on Plex Pass](https://www.plex.tv/plex-pass/), which would enable you to use hardware transcoding. After that, you can use a Celeron processor rather than an i7. These would both be good: 1. [HP ProDesk 400 for $110 on eBay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Prodesk-400-G4-Pentium-G4560-3-5ghz-NO-SSD-NO-OS-8gb-Ram/303804394362?hash=item46bc272b7a%3Ag%3ACFAAAOSw3opfx8gq&LH_BIN=1). Offer the seller $90. You’ll need an HDMI dummy plug to enable hardware transcoding. It needs an SSD, and you can get one for [$30 or so](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v6Dkcf/pny-cs900-250-gb-25-solid-state-drive-ssd7cs900-250-rb). 2. [Intel NUC NUC7PJYH](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/boards-kits/nuc/kits/nuc7cjyh.html)


Dan1elSan

Thanks I will take a look, I do subscribe to plex pass! Would a Celeron be enough?


scorpionMaster

Yep, it's plenty. https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/guide-hardware-transcoding-the-jdm-way-quicksync-and-nvenc/1408/3


Dan1elSan

You’ve left me with quite the research I need to put in 😂 I was all up to just go big and expensive


scorpionMaster

Just trying to save you $50 or so.


Amoosementpark

Hi, I'm looking into my options to host a local Plex server with the following background infos. - Home use only: I will only stream local at home and only to one device at a time. - Apple friendly environment: Playback on iPhone and Apple TV 4K - Playback of VR content: Streaming VR content to iPhone (until a competitor to the Oculus Quest 2 comes out, then it would aim to access my Plex library on a VR headset). Also streaming standard 4K content to Apple TV 4K. - Should be clean: Not a bunch of external drives dangling around. - Having about 8TB total would set me up well for the foreseeable future, I don’t have that much content (yet). - Budget is not a non-factor, but also not a primary thought - Should be easily run and maintained out of the box; trying to avoid any Ubuntu oder RaspberryPi stunts I’m looking at various options such as NAS, buying an old Mac mini or using some sort of mini pc housing. Would appreciate input on what approach would suit me best or what I should rule out and why.


scorpionMaster

Are you looking to build something, or literally just pull it from a box? The Synology and QNAP NAS units are both pretty popular, and PleX keeps a spreadhsheet of which ones can use hardware transcoding. [PleX.tv - Support Articles NAS Devices and Limitations](https://support.plex.tv/articles/201373823-nas-devices-and-limitations/) Otherwise, check out [FreeNAS](http://freenas.org) and [UnRAID](https://unraid.net/) Server OSes. Here's a good sample build for those that would handle 6 drives. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8BmNP) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Celeron G4930 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KvjNnQ/intel-celeron-g4930-32-ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80684g4930) | $54.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI B365M-PRO-VH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V9K2FT/msi-b365m-pro-vh-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365m-pro-vh) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL17 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pyRzK8/crucial-8gb-1-x-8gb-ddr4-2133-memory-ct8g4dfs824a) | $30.99 @ B&H **Storage** | [HP EX900 120 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RwyV3C/hp-ex900-120gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy42aaabc) | $34.97 @ Amazon **Case** | [Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LbJwrH/antec-case-threehundredtwo) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [EVGA GD (2019) 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vHhmP6/evga-gd-2019-500-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-100-gd-0500-v1) | $69.98 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$330.80** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-01-14 10:34 EST-0500 |


MeetingPlastic

The qnap ts-453 is an awesome plex server I have it and roku TVs and can play something from all of them simultaneously and the cpu doesn’t break a sweat


scorpionMaster

Did you mean to send this to /u/Amoosementpark?


xjbabgkv

Need a CPU for upgrading my existing linux server that should also handle 3-4 1080p transcoding streams. My thinking was to go for quicksync so that means a intel CPU. Already have m2 disk and 2x16GiB DDR4. Looking at either [i5 10400](https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199271/intel-core-i5-10400-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-30-ghz.html) or [i5 9600k](https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134896/intel-core-i5-9600k-processor-9m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html), someone mentioned that clock speed could affect more than next gen graphics in the comet lake. What do you recommend? Both CPU lies in same price range for me, \~$200.


Bgrngod

You could get a Celeron G5930 and still blow the lid off that use case as long as you are using quick sync for hardware acceleration. If the server doesn't do much else other than Plex, the i5 huge overkill for just 3-4 1080p transcodes.


xjbabgkv

The server is used for a bunch of docker services as well, collecting and sharing Linux isos for example. i5 may be overkill but its nice to not have to worry about performance for the next couple years as my 2500k has served me well.


rockydbull

I would go with the 10400 because it has hyperthreading enabled. I have never heard of clock speed being relevant for hardware transcoding. I also have no issues running a 9400 which is the previous gen chip without hyperthreading.


scorpionMaster

Those should both handle 15+ 1080 streams with hardware transcoding. What's your current processor?


xjbabgkv

Currently using an aging 2500k, bought DDR4/M2 for cheap during black friday and have a everything but CPU and mobo. I think I will go for the 10400 if something used doesnt come my way soon, thanks!


Itsonlykirby

This is the PC I plan to turn into my first Plex server.I want it to handle a few streams at good quality and I want to also be able transcode more faster (I've read that using ram to transcode is faster and you wont kill you SSD)I have about a $500 budget to upgradesome parts I wasn't sure about the CPU Fan and Power Supply so I just picked one with the same voltage \[PCPartPicker Part List\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PT6XF8](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PT6XF8)) ​ Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- \*\*CPU\*\* | \[Intel Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C9hj4D/intel-core-i7-8700-32ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i78700](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C9hj4D/intel-core-i7-8700-32ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i78700)) | $324.00 @ Amazon \*\*CPU Cooler\*\* | \[Deepcool THETA 20 PWM 42.76 CFM CPU Cooler\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b7XYcf/deepcool-theta-20-pwm-4276-cfm-cpu-cooler-theta-20-pwm](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/b7XYcf/deepcool-theta-20-pwm-4276-cfm-cpu-cooler-theta-20-pwm)) | $12.49 @ Amazon \*\*Motherboard\*\* | \[Asus PRIME H310-PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kWprxr/asus-prime-h310-plus-atx-lga1151-motherboard-prime-h310-plus](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kWprxr/asus-prime-h310-plus-atx-lga1151-motherboard-prime-h310-plus)) | $199.99 @ Amazon \*\*Memory\*\* | \[ADATA XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 CL16 Memory\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wvsmP6/adata-xpg-gammix-d10-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-2666-memory-ax4u266638g16-dbg](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wvsmP6/adata-xpg-gammix-d10-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-2666-memory-ax4u266638g16-dbg)) |- \*\*Storage\*\* | \[Western Digital Green 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9Bc48d/western-digital-green-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-wds240g2g0a](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9Bc48d/western-digital-green-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-wds240g2g0a)) | $34.99 @ Western Digital \*\*Power Supply\*\* | \[CoolMax 400 W ATX Power Supply\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3XQypg/coolmax-power-supply-v400](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3XQypg/coolmax-power-supply-v400)) | $26.74 @ Amazon \*\*Operating System\*\* | \[Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit\]([https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wtgPxr/microsoft-os-kw900140)) | $108.78 @ Other World Computing | \*Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts\* | | \*\*Total\*\* | \*\*$706.99\*\* | Generated by \[PCPartPicker\]([https://pcpartpicker.com](https://pcpartpicker.com)) 2021-01-12 23:21 EST-0500 |


scorpionMaster

I'd skip the aftermarket cooler and use the stock one. If you're mainly using plex, consider stepping down the processor to one around $200, with the integrated graphics, and get Plex Pass. You can make use of the hardware transcoding with QuickSync, and end up with a server than can do 20+ transcodes instead of 6-ish. [Serverbuilds.net - [Guide] Hardware Transcoding: The JDM way! QuickSync and NVENC](https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/guide-hardware-transcoding-the-jdm-way-quicksync-and-nvenc/1408/2) Also, an M.2 SSD doesn't cost much more than a SATA one, if at all, and they're like 5x as fast.


Itsonlykirby

That’s the processor I already have. Those are the parts I currently have. Is there anyway to check if It has integrated graphics?


scorpionMaster

Intel lists it on their site, and you do have integrated graphics. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/126686/intel-core-i7-8700-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html


MarcusHalberslam

Hi there - I have a 6TB dedicated Plex hard drive inside my gaming desktop that is nearing 4 years old and I've been thinking about, instead of just cloning and replacing the drive, doing some kind of RAID setup before it dies. This is what I've done for the past 6-7 years, clone and replace the drive before it dies, and continue filling the new one up until it needs replaced from age and/or space. For background I have a beefy PC: * i7 CPU, RTX 3080, 32GB RAM, SSD drives for boot and for games, etc and I rarely turn it off. I don't want to make my own separate Plex server / NAS box with hundreds of dollars of more PC parts and effectively have 2 PCs. My concerns with that are twofold: 1. transcoding and streaming 4K or large Blu-Ray rips, x265 support in some NAS boxes 2. the additional cost of not just buying the drives for it, but RAM, CPU and the rest pushing this investment into somewhere around $700-$1000+ when I can just continue replacing the drive in my desktop for $200-$300 depending on storage. Ideally, what i want is to buy a pre-made RAID box with drives or a RAID enclosure + drives separately, that just connects to my current desktop and would continue to stream reliably from my desktop as it has for me now. Is this possible? Like, can I just buy a Synology NAS box or some external box with multiple bays and connect it to my PC as more storage, but still get redundancy from software or hardware RAID? How does that work? Is there a reason that would be stupid (bearing in mind my concerns on cost and transcoding when I already have a great desktop)? What RAID type would make most sense for this? Obviously I have no experience with RAID setups, but I appreciate your patience and help. TYIA


scorpionMaster

You can have a standalone plex server for $90. $110 if you count getting it an ssd. You can plug in regular usb3 drives and use those, or consider a multi-drive enclosure for $120 more. Together, they'll draw like 25 watts, which should be way less than the gaming rig. [HP ProDesk 400 for $110 on eBay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Prodesk-400-G4-Pentium-G4560-3-5ghz-NO-SSD-NO-OS-8gb-Ram/303804394362?hash=item46bc272b7a%3Ag%3ACFAAAOSw3opfx8gq&LH_BIN=1). Offer the seller $90. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003X26VV4


MarcusHalberslam

Would RAID 1 be the way to go here for 2 hard drives inside this?


scorpionMaster

For 2 hard drives, raid 1. Most raid1 will not let you set up with a drive that already has data. Consider just making a new setup with Freenas, and copying your existing data onto it and keeping your existing drive as a backup, since you think its dying.


patlaff

Hey everybody. My current (in-progress) design looks like this: Intel i5 16GB DDR3 RAM 1 500GB SSD (specifically for OS - Ubuntu Server 20) 4x 4TB WD Red Drives in RAID 10 The question is... will a hardware RAID controller make that much of a difference if my Motherboard supports BIOS RAID?


DeadMansMuse

Short answer - No. Long Answer - Kinda. A hardware RAID Controller processes all the I/O the CPU would have to do otherwise, the overhead grows with more drives, RAID type (parity raid has a lot of overhead) and more I/O requests. For a private media server, you are never going to benefit in any meaningful way from having a dedicated RAID controller. It's nice to have, but not an expense you can justify in any meaningful way.


trendykendy

Have you considered using unraid? saves a lot of the complexity of having to worry about RAID controllers and the like


scorpionMaster

+1 also ZFS or FreeNas, and if op is in windows, Storage Spaces.


Munnzie_D

Will this machine be ok for running Plex full time on Ubuntu (or similar GUI based linux) with some light VMs running as well? [https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gkc6y4](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gkc6y4) All my media is currently 1080p and I have at the most 3 local and a couple of remote users. Remote users are limited to 8mbps, 1080p but mostly end up transcoding to 720p. Local users tend to either direct play on a TV/Amazon device or transcode to whatever an 2018 iPad wants. I currently run on my desktop PC (i7 7740X, 32GB RAM, 1080Ti) but am rapidly running out of space and I dont have the room in my current case to add more spinning metal. Or would I be better getting a Synology NAS (like a 918+) or similar for my use case? I know the i5 far out performs the Synology but it really will mainly be used for Plex. The VMs I could run on my desktop once I have off loaded Plex I suppose.


scorpionMaster

Shouldn't have any issue. For Plex purposes, you could get a £50 Celeron processor, and spend 100 on Plex Pass, and end up using less electricity.


Munnzie_D

Yeah I basically went with the cheapest mobo with M.2 for OS and Hypervisor and the cheapest CPU with onboard for that socket. Ideally I want to use this machine for the VMs and Plex and then I can use my PC for work/gaming without having too much faffing about. The VMs are useful but not critical, Plex is on its way to being critical with lockdown lol. My desktop is well on the way to being a pensioner and some of the work I do on it plus Plex plus VMs is slowly killing it. Will be much easier to drag out the lifespan of it by creating a semi decent Plex/VM rig that can sit in the front room. Then I can focus on saving up the dosh for a brand new gaming, erm I obviously mean \*work\* rig :) safe in the knowledge that the Plex/VM box wont need touching for a long while.


scorpionMaster

Cool. Good plan!


Antonioxsuarez

I have a Samsung TU8300. My PLEX server runs on a HP T630. I'm trying to stream a 4k movie to it but it stays buffering forever. The file is MKV HEVC Main 10 HDR x265 and AAC audio. I was looking at supported files for the TV and it's all compatible yet it keeps being forced to transcode. I can get direct play to work on it. However I was able to play that very same file with no problem and super smooth on my phone, because it would direct play. Maybe my TV isn't actually compatible to what it claims it is?


scorpionMaster

What's the bitrate of the file? How is the TV connected to the network? Most TVs only have a 100mbps ethernet adapter. This might help - [Plex forums - The Rules of 4k](https://forums.plex.tv/t/info-plex-4k-transcoding-and-you-aka-the-rules-of-4k/378203) Especially this, which is linked in the article: [PSA: 100 Mbps is not enough to direct play 4K content (see test results inside)](https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/eoa03e/psa_100_mbps_is_not_enough_to_direct_play_4k/) Ultimately, you will likely see better performance with an Nvidia Shield or higher-tier Roku.


Antonioxsuarez

The bitrate is only 12mbps. TV is connected via ethernet at 100mbps. I however finally found the answer to the situation. Apparently there were too many subtitles or unsupported subtitles in the mkv file and once I had removed it, the movie worked flawlessly.


scorpionMaster

I'm glad you found a solution!


Travellingrichard

Got old pc components I want to use as a nas/plex pass for backing up my photos and home videos I've edited and data storage (trying to move away from google photos/drive), I won't store and stream 'Hollywood' movies on it. I know I need an off-site back up too which I'll sort. I've got i7 5820k with 32gb ram, good enough? -What gpu do you think I need? -What psu do you think I need? 500w? Stick with windows or freenas? Thanks


scorpionMaster

Kickass! 500w should be plenty. Whatever you're comfortable with. Freenas should get you a performance boost, and it's not too terribly hard to learn. I think you can skip the gpu entirely unless you're planning on 5+ simultaneous transcodes.


Travellingrichard

I don't think the cpu has integrated graphics so I would need to get one. Thanks for your reply.


scorpionMaster

> i7 5820k Does not have a GPU integrated, but you can run most server OS truly headless, assuming your motherboard will allow it. FreeNas, Unraid, and the Linux server OSes should all be fine without a gpu.


Travellingrichard

I didn't know that. Thanks! My motherboard is x99a sli plus. You think headless will work? Tried to google it but not so clear. Would windows run headless? Thanks


scorpionMaster

It's worth a try. Sadly, my Biostar AMD board from 2010 or so didn't want to boot without a GPU, so I'm using a different one with onboard graphics. I'm not sure about Windows. It's worth a little more searching on your part. Maybe Windows server?


byukid_

- AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor - Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler - MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard - G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory - Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500 GB - Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive - Asus GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB ROG STRIX GAMING OC Video Card - Rosewill PRISM S ATX Mid Tower Case - GameMax RGB Rainbow 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply - The other HDD I have from my old computer I'm cannibalizing for this build Basically, I wanted to take what I have from 3 different external HDD and put them into internal, clean up my library, have some more ability for 4k encoding, and still be able to play CSGO. Anything I'm obviously missing? Any critiques of this build for this purpose?


Bgrngod

So you have a gaming rig you are intending to put Plex on? Sell your old parts and build a cheap separate/dedicated Plex box. What is your use case?


byukid_

Oh, and I should mention I'm upgrading my CPU/video card from this combo: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz 3.70 GHz Nvidia GTX 1080


rockydbull

> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700K CPU @ 3.70GHz 3.70 GHz > > Nvidia GTX 1080 sell the 1080 and use the 8700 and motherboard to run a separate plex box. Igpu on the 8700 will do tons of hardware transcodes.


byukid_

Hmmm that's not a bad idea.


ThunderChild_Ulla

Howdy! For several years now, I've used Plex on my primary PC sporadically. I'd only run the server when I knew I was going to want to watch something on it and would run Radarr, Sonarr, and SABnzbd on an as-needed basis. I'd use FileBot and Handbrake to keep the files organized and in proper formats. Now, though, I'd like to automate some of that and make that machine an always-on standalone Plex and file server, but I'm not sure how I should go about that. Some specs: the machine is an Intel i7-4790k with 32GB RAM, and a GTX 1070 currently running Windows 10 Pro. There are several hard drives of varying sizes: a 250GB boot SSD, a 2TB WD Black drive with Documents, Music, Pictures and Downloads, and a Hitachi 4TB, a Toshiba 5 TB Drive, and a WD 10TB drive with media files on them for the Plex server. Currently, most of my media is 1080, but I'd like to move toward adding 4K. I'm running wired gigabit networking throughout the house. We use Roku devices and last-gen consoles for clients. I'd like to just put the thing in a corner and be able to administer it remotely from another PC, maybe with VNC? Anyway, I'm not sure what's the best way to maximize the potential of this build. I thought about just doing a clean install of Windows 10, reinstall Plex and use Windows networking for the file-sharing. However, I'm not sure that's the most efficient way to run things. I see threads where people seem to be making more use of their Plex servers with add-ons and RAIDS and using different OSes. I'm just looking for some guidance. Thanks!


scorpionMaster

I'm enjoying this [jselage/handbrake docker](https://hub.docker.com/r/jlesage/handbrake), because it has a web interface built-in. Cockpit is pretty cool too, for giving you a server dashboard and terminal through a web interface. You could install [FreeNas](http://freenas.org) on it, and use their web interface, too. It should generally be less resource-intense than Windows. [htpc-download-box](https://github.com/sebgl/htpc-download-box) is a pretty neat tool also, if you're getting into Docker containers.


NormanQuacks345

This is a software question so not sure if the right place, but I can't get Plex to find metadata on about half of my TV shows. Movies are all fine, but no matter how many times I refresh the metadata on my shows, it can't find it for them. It's not like they're obscure shows, it's Top Gear and House of Cards, to name a few.


scorpionMaster

Verify your naming and file permissions. [TV Naming](https://support.plex.tv/articles/naming-and-organizing-your-tv-show-files/) [Movie naming](https://support.plex.tv/articles/naming-and-organizing-your-movie-media-files/) [Plex - naming - movie extras](https://support.plex.tv/articles/naming-and-organizing-your-movie-media-files/) [Plex - Support - Linux File Permissions](https://support.plex.tv/articles/200288596-linux-permissions-guide/)


MrHallmark

So I have an Asustor NAS AS5202T. It has 2 bays. If I was to attach a drive into one of the USBs maybe a SSD? Would that be an efficient way to upgrade? Or do I get another NAS with 2 bays? How do I go about adding more storage more efficiently?


scorpionMaster

> AS5202T PDF warning: [Check out the Datasheet for your NAS.](https://www.asustor.com/materials/datasheet/Datasheet_Nimbustor%202_ENG.pdf) They specifically call out that you can expand it with "Up to three AS6004U expansion units" It appears to also support other external storage devices. I bet you can get a [Mediasonic ProBox](https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-ProBox-HF2-SU3S2-SATA-Enclosure/dp/B003X26VV4) and use that, if you like.


MrHallmark

Thanks for taking the time for responding. Using the probox, I just plug it in via ethernet or USB 3.0?


scorpionMaster

Usb. The probox does not have ethernet.


MrHallmark

I mainly would use that for 4k storage since the NAS has 4k encoding, there would be no issues with pulling 4k movies off of that I would imagine?


scorpionMaster

I wouldn't expect any issues. USB3.0 bandwidth should be higher than the [peak bandwidth of the 4k movies](https://old.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/eoa03e/psa_100_mbps_is_not_enough_to_direct_play_4k/).


MrHallmark

Excellent. Non NAS drives are also insanely cheap compared to NAS. I appreciate all of your help.


Jbstargate1

Hey guys! I am in the process of building a Plex budget PC home server/streaming device for my home network. Basically just like my current set up of using my PC as the server and having my Nvidia Shield connect to it and watch 1080p/4K content on my 4k Oled TV. My question is I don't have to transcode any content and I don't need to connect to it outside of my home and the only person using it is my self so would this Intel Core i5-4590 cpu be ok to use to just stream 1080p/4k content to my nvidia shield? Links: CPU: [https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/80815/intel-core-i5-4590-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-70-ghz.html](https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/80815/intel-core-i5-4590-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-70-ghz.html)


-there-are-4-lights-

You shouldn't have any problems, I have an i5-6500T and I watch 4K Remux files over my network to my Shield and the only time I run into playback issues is if I'm downloading files/multi-tasking on my Plex server, and even then that's rare.


Jbstargate1

Perfect my GF had an older Intel in 45** something or other with a gtx 770 desktop that she said I can use so it's all good. Thanks for the help 😁


scorpionMaster

100% excellent!


classjoker

I have a Windows 10 based build, and use privatevpn, plex, and Bittorrent. I've installed privatevpn for Bittorrent, but I think everything is going via vpn. Is there a way to only have Bittorrent traffic via the privatevpn client only?


scorpionMaster

I have my vpn and client linked with Docker. This makes it so everything else uses the standard network. The openvpn Docker worked well for me.


radboy214

Im using Ubuntu 20.04 for my plex media server and Plex is not accessing my external drive. It detects it, but it can't read movies or other folders off of it. Im a noob at this


xplorer990

I got this working once with www.rclone.org. In terminal i unmounted my usb drive and then mounted it with recline, there are some extra configurations for mounting a drive to use with plex.


hgpot

Looking to revamp my homelab hypervisor, the main use of which is Plex. Currently I have one behemoth old HP Z800 workstation (dual Xeon X5675) and it works ***okay***, but I want to see about efficiency improvements with more modern hardware and HW transcoding. Besides Plex transcoding, none of my workloads use much CPU at all so I can afford to give some up if QSV works, but it turns out even though they were high end at the time and there's two of them, even assuming perfect scaling, [their combined Passmark](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=1309&cpuCount=2) well under that of one of the new [2146G](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=3314). I've heard/seen dozens of transcodes on QSV without having to spin up much CPU; I've never gone above 4, so I feel that this would futureproof me. Current limitations: * Crazy high TDP CPUs (190W) / overall * SATA limited to 3Gbps (maybe not a limit even with the fastest HDDs?) * Only 6 SATA ports (all are in use) * PCIe 2.0 (An actual bottleneck to my NVMe VM VHD drive) * USB 2.0 (have external HDD for backups) * No SR-IOV support for GPU pass through * No QSV I found [a post](http://chuckscoolreviews.blogspot.com/2018/11/plex-hardware-transcoding-with-intel.html) showing that pass-through of the Intel iGPU is fairly straightforward on ESXi. I'm a Hyper-V fanboy, but this feature could sway me. I plan to keep this as a hypervisor, so I know my 64GB memory is far more than PMS needs. Currently the (Windows Server 2019) VM for PMS/Sonarr/Radarr has 8GB dedicated. I had a few things in mind making this list: * **Intel QSV** seems to be the best HW transcoding option, so I found a CPU with that - I am used to Xeon so I picked that, it seems to be similar enough to the 8700 in price/performance but makes me feel special with the Xeon name. AFAIK this (HD 630) iGPU has the latest QSV. * **Potential for upgrade** of many components. I may want to go NVENC, 10Gbps NIC, more USB, etc. DIY helps with this compared to the current prebuilt. * **Lots of HDD space** for my Linux ISOs - 10 SATA 6Gbps ports in the motherboard and 12 3.5" mounts in the case. * **5.25" bay** for BD rips (already have UHD BD drive) - currently I use my gaming desktop to encode these because the 6700K does so much better, so perhaps the 2146G can remove that need. * **Rack mountable** - this case has rack-mount ears accessory and is basically exactly 4U, giving room for full size GPU if needed. * **Dual NIC** for redundancy - Intel specifically * **Lower TDP** for less power use, longer UPS runtime - I found the cheapest 80+ Platinum PSU under 180mm (case restraint if I populate 5.25" bay) that had the extra 4 PIN required on the motherboard * **Noise** is not a concern in the least. Server and networking all run to basement that is otherwise just storage, not living space (1' raised floor compared to sump pump, no windows, climate controlled) Please let me know what I could swap out. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WZ77y4) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Xeon E-2146G 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/32XnTW/intel-xeon-e-2146g-35-thz-6-core-processor-bx80684e2146g) | $329.99 @ Newegg **CPU Cooler** | [Noctua NH-U9S chromax.black 46.4 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9pfFf7/noctua-nh-u9s-chromaxblack-464-cfm-cpu-cooler-nh-u9s-chromaxblack) | $64.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte C246-WU4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TwdxFT/gigabyte-c246-wu4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-c246-wu4) | $218.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial 32 GB (1 x 32 GB) DDR4-2666 CL19 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyqBD3/crucial-32-gb-1-x-32-gb-ddr4-2666-memory-ct32g4dfd8266) | $113.07 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial 32 GB (1 x 32 GB) DDR4-2666 CL19 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyqBD3/crucial-32-gb-1-x-32-gb-ddr4-2666-memory-ct32g4dfd8266) | $113.07 @ Amazon **Case** | [Silverstone GD08B HTPC Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2FjG3C/silverstone-case-sstgd08b) | $178.34 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [be quiet! Straight Power 11 550 W 80+ Platinum Certified](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4kyqqs/be-quiet-straight-power-11-550-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn640) | $119.90 @ B&H | *Prices include all fees* | | **Total** | **$1138.26** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-01-09 22:40 EST-0500 |


scorpionMaster

This sounds amazing!


hgpot

Thanks! I've been tinkering back and forth between something like this and going 16-core Threadripper and/or a big Quadro GPU but I do want to try QSV since it appears to be the magic potion of power efficiency and transcode speed.


Ninja128

Definitely check out QSV first! I too contemplated a TR build before migrating my instance from a 10 core Xeon + Quadro P2000 to a Lenovo Tiny PC. It performs great, ESPECIALLY considering the 1L size and \~10W idle power draw. On a 35W TDP Skylake i5, I was only seeing \~40% CPU usage with 8x simultaneous 1080p transcodes, and that included the overhead from Proxmox with the iGPU passed to a LXC container.


Ercster

So I have some extra parts that I want to convert to an unraid/plex server. I've got an i7 3770k, i7 4790k, i7 6700k, zen2 3600, gtx1080, and a few different 16gb sets of ram. I've been doing this really jank and just hosting plex from windows referencing 32tb in striped drives, but I want to separate it from my gaming pc. I've not used docker, but I'm not opposed to learning how for this. So is the play to just create an unraid server with windows, that is running plex, in a docker container? Using the 3600, 1080, and 16-32gb of ram and enable hardware transcoding? I can get a raid card to run raid5/6 and avoid unraid, but unraid seemed to be a nicer option for my future expansion to 80tb+ in storage.


scorpionMaster

> i7 6700k Skip the 1080, and just run the quicksync hw transcoding on the 6700k? > unraid server with windows [Unraid](https://unraid.net/) is its own Operating System. You won't need windows if you go that route. Also look into FreeNas with its native ZFS. Unraid and ZFS are both generally better options than a raid card. Grab an LSI 9211-8i off ebay if you don't have enough sata ports. RAM is good, but I think I started my 30TB and 9TB arrays with only 8GB.


Ercster

I have an LSI 9205-8i, I just need to figure out why it isn't working. The only reason I mentioned hw transcoding is because I'm going to be direct playing 4k and doing 1080 transcoding. And I didn't like the idea of a raid card either, but I'm not well versed enough on the topic to ignore the idea.


scorpionMaster

> LSI 9205-8i I assume you've already read a [guide on flashing](https://www.truenas.com/community/resources/detailed-newcomers-guide-to-crossflashing-lsi-9211-9300-9305-9311-9400-94xx-hba-and-variants.54/)? HW transcoding is great. Running the integrated graphics will save you money on electricity compared to the 1080.


Ercster

I have. I've probably screwed something up, but it's not been a high priority because my current setup doesn't require it to be fixed. But I'm focused on getting this going because I'm tired of my main rig being so heavy from drives. Do you have any recommendations for an 8+ 3.5in bay case? Only reasonably priced one I could find is the Define R5.


scorpionMaster

You could look into something fancier, but I have a smaller case with a drive caddy like this in it. [Rosewill RSV-Cage](https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rsv-cage-rackmount/p/N82E16816132035) With that, and [ANTEC Three Hundred TWO](https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811129180?Item=N82E16811129180) or [Rosewill THOR V2](https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147053?Item=N82E16811147053) should do well.


Ercster

I didn't even think of doing something like that. I'll look more into it. Thanks for the help.


bobwinters

Hello, Now that Google will stop their unlimited storage. I'm thinking of adding a bunch of HDDs and rebuilding my current server. I'm currenting running Ubuntu Server, LVM and /r/Cloudbox . My current hardware is: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qHNw8J) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-8400 2.8 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LHYWGX/intel-core-i5-8400-28ghz-6-core-processor-bx80684i58400) | $191.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vZzkcf/asrock-b360m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b360m-pro4) |- **Memory** | [Crucial 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 CL19 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gKqhP6/crucial-16gb-1-x-16gb-ddr4-2666-memory-ct16g4dfd8266) | $59.85 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 CL19 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gKqhP6/crucial-16gb-1-x-16gb-ddr4-2666-memory-ct16g4dfd8266) | $59.85 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4ZFf7/samsung-970-evo-500gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-v7e500bw) | $64.98 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Seagate SkyHawk Surveillance 6 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/J8DJ7P/seagate-skyhawk-surveillance-6-tb-35-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-st6000vx001) | $152.99 @ Newegg **Storage** | [Seagate SkyHawk 6 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pcdFf7/seagate-skyhawk-6tb-35-5900rpm-internal-hard-drive-st6000vx0023) | $229.48 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Seagate SkyHawk 6 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pcdFf7/seagate-skyhawk-6tb-35-5900rpm-internal-hard-drive-st6000vx0023) | $229.48 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Seagate SkyHawk 6 TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pcdFf7/seagate-skyhawk-6tb-35-5900rpm-internal-hard-drive-st6000vx0023) | $229.48 @ Amazon **Case** | [Silverstone SG02B-F-USB3.0 MicroATX Desktop Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CVV48d/silverstone-case-sstsg02bfusb30) |- **Power Supply** | [SeaSonic Platinum 520 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular Fanless ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4YphP6/seasonic-power-supply-ss520fl2) |- | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1218.10** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-01-09 21:07 EST-0500 | I have a collection of about 20ish HDDs of random sizes laying around from 1TB to 4TB. Ideally it would be nice to combine all those HDDs into one pool and have a setup that in case 1 drive fails, I can replace the drive without losing data. What OS and chassis would you recommend? (or anything else) I'm assuming I'd need a bunch of sata controllers... but I have no idea what the best way to do it.


scorpionMaster

Depending on your location: Consider selling the smaller drives (eBay) and get bigger ones. The sweet spot for $/TB is 12-14TB. This also makes it so you need fewer SATA ports. If you still find that you need more of those, get an [LSI 9211-8I from Ebay for about $40](https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-9240-8i-6Gbps-SAS-HBA-FW-P20-9211-8i-IT-Mode-ZFS-FreeNAS-unRAID-2-SFF-SATA/284099688366). If your drives are all the same size, and you're comfortable buying in batches, look at [FreeNas](https://www.freenas.org/) or Ubuntu/Debian with [ZFS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS). If you'd prefer running drives with various sizes all in one pool, look into Unraid. If you use ZFS, and you end up with multiple pools, because you have more than one drive size, you can combine them together with [MergerFS](https://github.com/trapexit/mergerfs).


bobwinters

Thanks for the suggestions. What about a chassis?


scorpionMaster

Are you looking to rackmount? How many drives are you planning to start with? How many to add later?


bobwinters

Maybe around 20ish would be good. I'm fine with rackmounts if that's what I need.


scorpionMaster

I'm not sure. I think you're pretty firmly into rackmount cases at that point. Like this Norco case: [NORCO RPC-4224 4U Rackmount Server Case](https://www.newegg.com/norco-rpc-4224/p/N82E16811219038?&quicklink=true)


bobwinters

Very sexy. Thanks for that :)


Fpritt24

How do you guys power multiple drives? I currently have 8 hard drives in my case and have potential to add 4 more. My PSU only supports 8 Sata connections, should I buy another PSU with more 8 pin slots to connect more sata cables? Any other things you can do? 8 pin slots only support 2 Sata connections each, correct? Just getting started with all this


scorpionMaster

SATA power splitters. They cost about $10.


Pearcenator

I’m running my Plex build on a few internal hard drives and several external hard drives on an old Windows PC. It works alright, but I know it’s a drain power usage wise. The server also doubles as a surveillance system. I’d like to rebuild it sometime this year with more modern hardware, better power usage, and more internal hard drive slots. What would be the most ideal build?


scorpionMaster

This is a good starting point, but I'm not sure what the surveilance system requires. It would handle 12 drives. You could do 14 if you get drive cages that hold 5 each, like [this one](https://www.newegg.com/istarusa-bpu-350hd-blue-hot-swap-rack/p/N82E16816215788). [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RBK88J) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Celeron G4930 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KvjNnQ/intel-celeron-g4930-32-ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80684g4930) |- **Motherboard** | [ASRock B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xtzkcf/asrock-b365m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365m-pro4) | $83.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2400 CL17 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jGvbt6/crucial-16-gb-1-x-16-gb-ddr4-2400-memory-ct16g4dfd824a) | $57.99 @ B&H **Storage** | [HP EX900 120 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RwyV3C/hp-ex900-120gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy42aaabc) | $34.97 @ Amazon **Case** | [Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vxBv6h/rosewill-case-thorv2) | $94.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [EVGA GD (2019) 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vHhmP6/evga-gd-2019-500-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-100-gd-0500-v1) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Custom** | [StarTech PYO4SATA 1.31 ft 4x SATA Power Splitter Adapter Cable](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMFXsY/startech-pyo4sata-131-ft-4x-sata-power-splitter-adapter-cable) | $7.22 @ Newegg **Custom** | [StarTech PYO4SATA 1.31 ft 4x SATA Power Splitter Adapter Cable](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMFXsY/startech-pyo4sata-131-ft-4x-sata-power-splitter-adapter-cable) | $7.22 @ Newegg **Custom** | [Rosewill RSV-Cage for 4 x 3.5" HDDs](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RbkwrH/rosewill-rsv-cage-for-4-x-35-hdds) | $19.98 @ Amazon **Custom** | [Rosewill RSV-Cage for 4 x 3.5" HDDs](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RbkwrH/rosewill-rsv-cage-for-4-x-35-hdds) | $19.98 @ Amazon **Custom**| [LSI 6Gbps SAS HBA LSI 9200-8i = (9211-8I) IT Mode with cables](https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-9240-8i-6Gbps-SAS-HBA-FW-P20-9211-8i-IT-Mode-ZFS-FreeNAS-unRAID-2-SFF-SATA/143604880894)| $42.88 **Custom**| [\*\*For 14 drives\*\* LSI 6Gbps SAS HBA LSI 9200-8i = (9211-8I) IT Mode with cables](https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-9240-8i-6Gbps-SAS-HBA-FW-P20-9211-8i-IT-Mode-ZFS-FreeNAS-unRAID-2-SFF-SATA/143604880894)| $42.88 | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$482.08** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-01-09 17:05 EST-0500 |


beearghpea

**MOTHERBOARD \[8 x SATA\] - Suggestions?** I'm planning on building a new Plex server, by 10y/o Dell Microserver is finally getting a little shaky and is throwing a fit when any audio transcoding is thrown at it. I'm going to track down a second hand Fractal R4 case, and will probably pick up a second hand processor that could later be upgraded. I plan to run Windows as this is what I know best (along with OS X, but don't think a Hackintosh Server is the best idea). It will be headless and needs to be able to transcode 3 x 1080p streams max (atm). I was thinking of picking up a couple small M.2 SSD's to run in raid for the OS and Plex directory and I've always used Drive Bender to pool drives on my old machine as it had allowed me to really easily swap in new drives of any size, I currently have 6 drives in my pool although a couple are 2TB that are due to be swapped out next time I see a good deal for 6TB+. What I'm after is a motherboard suggestion, with a couple of M.2 slots for OS and 8 x SATA ports for expandability, one that will be good for new processors over the coming years and that I can add a GPU should I ever want to think about hardware transcoding if 4k is ever on my radar. Also, any processor recommendations that I might be able to pick up cheap on the secondhand market? Many thanks :)


scorpionMaster

Search using pcpartpicker.com if you're looking for new parts. If you can't find one for a price you like, get an LSI 9211-8i from eBay for about $40. It's a raid card, and when outta in IT mode, it presents up to 8 extra disks to your system.


otakunopodcast

I'm building a Plex server based around an Intel 8th gen i5 NUC (NUC8i5BEHS) running Ubuntu. My preference would be to use Ubnutu Server, since this machine will be running headless, that way I don't have to drag along all the excess baggage that comes with a desktop OS. Will hardware decoding/encoding work on a headless machine, and if so, what extra software (if any) will I need to install above and beyond the standard Ubuntu Server OS install?


scorpionMaster

/u/JDM_WAAAT seems to be of the opinion that Ubuntu works best Server and Desktop are both mentioned in the main Quicksync article. [Serverbuilds.net -OTiS](https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/guide-otis-1-0-build-your-own-intel-qsv-hw-transcoder/4845) [Serverbuilds.net - [Guide] Hardware Transcoding: The JDM way! QuickSync and NVENC](https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/guide-hardware-transcoding-the-jdm-way-quicksync-and-nvenc/1408/3)


R34ct0rX99

I'm debating a new NAS based build. Thoughts/Problems with the Synology DS1520+? (I've read about the need to edit some settings files to improve performance.). I do want hardware transcoding support.


scorpionMaster

If you're comfortable installing [Freenas](http://www.freenas.org) yourself and learning a little, you can build a similar system for $350. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8BmNP) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Celeron G4930 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KvjNnQ/intel-celeron-g4930-32-ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80684g4930) | $70.99 @ MemoryC **Motherboard** | [MSI B365M-PRO-VH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V9K2FT/msi-b365m-pro-vh-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365m-pro-vh) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL17 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pyRzK8/crucial-8gb-1-x-8gb-ddr4-2133-memory-ct8g4dfs824a) | $30.99 @ B&H **Storage** | [HP EX900 120 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RwyV3C/hp-ex900-120gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy42aaabc) | $34.97 @ Amazon **Case** | [Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LbJwrH/antec-case-threehundredtwo) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [EVGA GD (2019) 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vHhmP6/evga-gd-2019-500-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-100-gd-0500-v1) | $69.98 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$346.89** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-01-09 00:08 EST-0500 | You could replace the CPU with a Intel Core i3-9100F if you'd like a little more speed.


R34ct0rX99

I've actually been considering a custom build as well, my current one is an ancient custom build. The big driving factor I see that direction is ability to repair easily and customization.


0rangeTh0mas

Hey I'm looking to buy a new NAS, so I've built this NAS for 4K Direct Play and 1080p transcoding: [build](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ryz9y4) I'm going to use Raid 5, do you guys think I have enough storage for some 4k and 1080p content? Also, is the build itself fine for 4K direct play and 1080p transcoding (bare in mind that I do use subtitles) And for every tv I want to watch 4k content on I will need to buy an nvidia shield right? Is there any real difference between the regular one or the pro version? Thanks.


scorpionMaster

Raid 6 is much better than raid 5, because it's possible to have one drive fail during the repair after a failure. Zfs is a great choice for implementing this, because it can be rebuilt on any Linux system, and doesn't depend on a specific raid interface. Also, swap to a [Celeron processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/37gQzy/intel-celeron-g5900-34-ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80701g5900). If your big cpu use is transcoding video, the quicksync will be more power efficient than cpu transcodes. I also don't think you'll need the CPU cooler. The stock cooler should do just fine. Also, regarding drive choice: get 4 or 5 of these instead, [remove the cases](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDqGqO0v_qM), and run raidZ2 - [Western Digital MyBook 4TB](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Nz66Mp/western-digital-my-book-4tb-external-hard-drive-wdbbgb0040hbk-nesn). You still get 8TB, and you'll survive two drive failures instead of one.


0rangeTh0mas

Hey, Raid 6 takes more storage to achieve the same 8TB as Raid 5, also losing 2 drives 1 after another is extremely unlikely. The celeron cpu you sent is slower and weaker than the one I picked, also the CPU I picked has an igpu and quicksync afaik. And regarding the drive choice, I would never come near WD - most unreliable drives in the planet.


scorpionMaster

Sure, but it takes 4 drives instead of 5, and it doesn't cost more money. 2 - 8 tb drives in a mirror would cost you even less. Seagate can be found for $90/4tb, too. Shop around a bit more. Those 2tb drives are a bad deal.


0rangeTh0mas

5\*2TB = 565$ 3\*4TB = 503$ So you are right that using 4TB drives is cheaper, however using raid 5 I think is better than using raid 6 as I would get more storage and the event that 2 drives fail on me is pretty unlikely. And you didn't respond to my comment about the CPU you recommended. 2 - 8TB drives in a mirror cost more than 5\*2TB btw. (Prices are according to my region)


scorpionMaster

You didn't mention your region earlier. It's fine that the Celeron is weaker. You can do all transcoding with the gpu. If you like raid 5 better, go for it. It sounds like you understand the risks.


0rangeTh0mas

Do you think it could direct play 4K HDR? And transcode 1080p? (Including subtitles)


scorpionMaster

Shouldn't be an issue at all. 4k movies as ripped from the disc are usually a little over 100GB each. They can be around 20-30GB if you compress them. Transcoding 1080p should be no issue if you either: 1. Go with the more powerful CPU that you chose 2. Go with the less powerful CPU, but get Plex Pass.


FMA15

My brother may split plex pass with me. He has a question about the hardware transcoding though. The server is running on a computer with an i7-6700. Will it be able to hardware transcode pretty much everything. For example, can it hardware h.265 to 10 bit to h.264 8 bit? Will it be able to transcode 4k to 720?


largepanda

Skylake (Intel 6th gen) can't decode *10-bit* H.265, only *8-bit*. So the server would have to use software decoding for the h265, but can then use QSV to hardware encode to h264. "4K" implies, but does not necessarily mean, several things; namely: * HEVC 10-bit: As mentioned above, Skylake can't hardware decode 10-bit h265. * HDR: Skylake CPUs do not have hardware tonemapping of any fashion. You can tonemap on the CPU, or disable tonemapping and have awful washed out colors. The downscaling and reencoding process are both easily accomplished, and the i7-6700 does have more than enough brunt to handle the above tasks using software.


FMA15

Thanks for the help. It's unfortunate it can't transcode h.265 10-bit because my Nvidia Shield can direct play it. So it would he fine for me, but my friend I share my server with will need it to be transcoded. The computers cpu can transcode it fast enough, but my brother doesn't like his cpu being maxed out too often. It's also a problem if my parents are accessing my server while my friend needs his show transcoded.


bobby_corwin

Hi all. I've been dying to build a standalone Plex server for a few months now. I have a Plex pass and I've been running it off of my gaming PC, so naturally, performance is pretty great. But I want to have something that I can have always on and more tailored to just running Plex. I'm looking at about an $800 budget. I'd like to build a system that can handle up to 4 streams outside of my home, can deliver a crisp 1080p signal (4K would be nice, but 1080p would be the priority), a minimum of 8TB of storage to start out with, but with room to expand over time. I'm thinking of using it as a media server/NAS. Media will take up up most of it, but I want to use it for general storage as well. I'm fairly competent when it comes to PC building and configuring an OS, but I'm not sure what most people go with when building a Plex server. My first thought was to use Ubuntu since I have some experience with it, but if there's something more streamlined for Plex, I guess that would be preferable. I've been learning a decent amount about hardware/software transcoding and I know having a discreet GPU can help in that regard, but I've had a hard time digesting all of the information I've been receiving and I could really use some help in getting the ball rolling. I'm happy to field any other questions to help narrow things down! I appreciate any and all help!


scorpionMaster

I've been happy with Ubuntu, but I haven't used it for hardware transcoding. Quicksync is the least expensive way to use GPU transcoding. This is generally a good starting point: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8BmNP) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Celeron G4930 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KvjNnQ/intel-celeron-g4930-32-ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80684g4930) | $70.99 @ MemoryC **Motherboard** | [MSI B365M-PRO-VH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V9K2FT/msi-b365m-pro-vh-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b365m-pro-vh) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Crucial 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL17 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pyRzK8/crucial-8gb-1-x-8gb-ddr4-2133-memory-ct8g4dfs824a) | $30.99 @ B&H **Storage** | [HP EX900 120 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RwyV3C/hp-ex900-120gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy42aaabc) | $34.97 @ Amazon **Case** | [Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LbJwrH/antec-case-threehundredtwo) | $69.98 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [EVGA GD (2019) 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vHhmP6/evga-gd-2019-500-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-100-gd-0500-v1) | $69.98 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$346.89** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-01-09 00:08 EST-0500 | Five of these, [remove the cases](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDqGqO0v_qM), and run raidZ2 - [Western Digital MyBook 4TB](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Nz66Mp/western-digital-my-book-4tb-external-hard-drive-wdbbgb0040hbk-nesn). You still get 8TB, and you'll survive two drive failures. Do remember that RAID is not a backup.


bobby_corwin

This is an awesome suggestion! Thanks a lot. Only question is, would I need to add a GPU to get the results I want? Totally willing to if it boosts my performance.


scorpionMaster

The processor I linked has an onboard GPU which is supported by PleX. https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/guide-hardware-transcoding-the-jdm-way-quicksync-and-nvenc/1408/3


bobby_corwin

Understood. Last question! A friend of mine has an already build server that he made for his parents, but that they no longer need. He's looking to sell it and I could probably get it at a great price. Here's the parts list he sent me: [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/mrdabling/saved/#view=dn8YNG](https://pcpartpicker.com/user/mrdabling/saved/#view=dn8YNG) The only thing I'm curious about is if I should update the CPU and if so, what can I even upgrade it to with this motherboard? It definitely doesn't look like it supports M.2, so SSD caching would probably be out of the picture. I've basically got this and your suggestion that I'm leaning towards at the moment. Yours definitely looks more appealing!


scorpionMaster

You'll have to look up the motherboard, and see what it supports. It seems to be LGA1150, and won't support newer processors. You could upgrade to an i3,i5, or i7 from that generation to get QuickSync, but that's from before quicksync was good. You'd be tied to CPU transcoding. SATA SSDs are also a good place for metadata, as they're still considerably faster than spinning hard drives.


bobby_corwin

Got it. Thanks for all your advice!


yooshnc

With a budget of $550: I'm looking to build my first server that will primarily be used for video and music streaming, but I'm also hoping to use a second drive to back up photos. I'm looking to build a system that can support up to 4 streams outside of my home, with transcoding and captioning if necessary. I'd like two separate 4tb HDDs (One for Multimedia, another for backups). I'd also like the server to be relatively quiet/compact (if it comes down to it, quiet is more important). Does anyone have suggestions or resources for a first time build of this nature? In terms of both hardware and software, I need a bit of a nudge in the right direction. Thank you all in advance!


scorpionMaster

Grab this guy for $90 and a Plex Pass Lifetime to enable hardware transcoding. [HP ProDesk 400 for $110 on eBay](https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Prodesk-400-G4-Pentium-G4560-3-5ghz-NO-SSD-NO-OS-8gb-Ram/303804394362?hash=item46bc272b7a%3Ag%3ACFAAAOSw3opfx8gq&LH_BIN=1). Offer the seller $90. You should be able to install two drives into its case no problem. [Maintenance and service guide can be found here.](https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-prodesk-400-g4-microtower-pc/15292287/manuals)


PapaBearEJC

Plex meta data Help I moved my Meta data to a SSD on my server. it was sitting at 79Gigs for my library. I updated my Hard Drive to a larger one. I set the library to new location and rescanned. I managed to double the metadata on the SSD! I haven't been able to find a similar situation to trouble shoot. I would just redo the entire server but I don't want to loose my watched not watched for series!


largepanda

Try having Plex optimize its library, `Settings->Manage->Troubleshooting->Optimize Database`.


PapaBearEJC

Thank you!


Juch

Hello, Looking for some advice as to how to upgrade my build. My main concern at the moment is increasing my storage since I just upgraded my TV to 4K. I'm currently running my Plex server off an old PC that power wise is handling my needs. The setup is a simple Plex+Radarr/Sonarr one, but that's not really important. I only have about 3 TB of storage across three drives. I only typically only have one stream going at a time as I don't share my media server with anyone. I have three types of devices I stream to (an iPad, a Shield Pro, and PC) and I don't think this requires any transcoding since my files are mkv or mp4. My current pretty old hardware is enough to support this. What I am currently planning to do is swap out my old case for a newer one since I've list the components to mount new drives. I liked [this one](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LbJwrH/antec-case-threehundredtwo) that was posted in the last help thread. My OS main drive is currently a super slow HDD, so I'd like to upgrade that and am looking for recommendations. I'm also looking for recommendations for drives to store the media on. I don't need an insane amount of space since I tend to remove movies and shows I'll never watch again so I don't have to scroll passed them all the time. Appreciate any help and advice. Seems like a lot of the builds around here are pretty intense and meant to be scaled up with more hardware or a lot of drives with rack mounts and NAS or DAS, but I don't think I need anything that sophisticated.


Bgrngod

Antec 300 is a long standing recommendation for a case. They are popular for a reason. My wife used one with several builds rotating out of it for years, and it outlasted them all. My suggestion would be to get a cheap SSD for your OS/PMS install, and keep spinny HDD's for your media. Look at going with 1 or 2 big HDD's and ditching your old smaller ones that are probably a bit risky to keep spinning. If you don't care about your data, as in none of it is critical, then keep them around if you want. Each one of those increases power draw of the server. MKV and MP4 are not formats for media. They are containers. The codecs are inside the container and are the important part to know when determining compatibility. 4k is almost always going to be HEVC and almost always with HDR. Those two things make 4k very challenging for clients that can't playback 4k HDR. Best practice is to avoid transcoding 4k and use 1080p files for non-4k HDR displays. Yes, there is a fancy new HDR Tone Mapping feature that makes 4k HDR transcoding to 1080p SDR available, but it's brand new and not something I'd rely on entirely.