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Think, Square Enix, think!

Think, Square Enix, think!

PunkchildRubes

Know what I love about the Lego Marvel games? They aren't afraid to be comic-book games and all the sillyness that comes with the genre. When I look at Marvel's Avengers and now this GotG game I see people that are embarrassed about it's comic-book origins and try there best to steer away from it


jayscribbly

Yeah it's weird, it comes off as some bootleg MCU rather than an adaptation of the characters.


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MaxinRudy

This meme could be remade with Marvel Heroes saying the line and Lego being the immitators


zero_ms

Do not utter that name. I still dream >!Marvel Heroes!< at night, playing Rogue after having absorbed skills from enemies and allies alike.


staplesthegreat

Disney really would be doing themselves a solid if they relaunched the game ngl


dereknstone

Just open the damn servers and let's have our shit, we bought ...and, buy more shit.


Fraankiko

Yes please bring it back and I will pay them each month! Even if they did what WoW does, I would play and pay!


zero_ms

Definitely.


pr0t0cl0wn

I was 1 power short of getting every single power absorbed by her when the game died…so close


BillyShears17

This is what made me pissed off about avengers. The actors that they got for the character models look like Mickey Mouse knock-off Disneyland actors. I wish they would use their comic likeness!


jayscribbly

What's even sadder is Fortnite have actually done a waaay better job with this.


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KilledTheCar

Dude their character designs are top-notch. I don't like the game, but their art team is on point. Even comic book characters aside, they knocked it out of the park with adapting characters like Aloy to their art style while staying true to the character.


Nervous_Intern3947

Fortnite has become what I think Disney Infinity was trying to be with the toybox and toys to life series You can build out entire cities and landscapes. Then do Master Chief vs Deadpool racing semis to the death. Or Rick Sanchez vs Batman I wrote it off as a kids game for a long time. And yeah it kind of is, even tho the ability to build and play the meta at a high level takes some crazy practice. I don't even do any of that. I run around and do their missions and unlock new things from the season pass and the special missions like jumping a boat off a water fall and through the rings while trying not to get killed first.


zero_ms

Fortnite is fun with friends. I've sunk more money that I can count in Marvel or DC skins, cause they look FUCKING GREAT. She-Hulk that turns into Jennifer Walter? DAMN.


BroShutUp

Wait no the way they implemented Jen Walters was bad


NOT_an_ass-hole

they had the thor herald outfit, that outfit will never appear anywhere else again


TwilightSolus

I don't know, the GotG trailer seems very inline with the current comic run, down to character design. I'm super impressed that the Sun-Lord costume that was just introduced is in the deluxe edition.


MangoPronto

Well, blame the MCU for being the most popular interpretation out there then... Both Arkham Knight and Spider-Man PS4 are like this, more interested in having a movie than a comic book production, you can especially see it with comparing City and Knight


jayscribbly

Spiderman PS4 is way different to Tom Hollands version, and the Arkham series is nothing like TDK


PunkchildRubes

I think what he means is that design and story-wise the Arkham games and PS4 Spider-Man also feel more like a movie type thing then a comic story. Which yeah I kinda have to agree with him on that. The costume designs in Spider-Man and Batman fall under the whole "tacti-cool" criticism.


LeoRex286

For the Sinister Six other than Doc Ock, I’d mostly agree with the “tacti-cool” analysis, but Spider-Man himself thankfully does not suffer from that issue.


MangoPronto

Look at the Sinister Six and tell me this isn't the typical redesign you would get in a movie to make it more realistic. Compare the super sleak design of Arkham City complete with the underwear to Arkham Knight which is way darker and busy with tons of armor. Look, Avengers is with flaws for sure, the last Red Room event showed that by not being capable of including the most basic amount of lore but people here go overboard on it and have to act like every single things in the game is an atrocity


LegendCZ

Yep ... Also note that people should read Superior Iron Man, Ultimate Thor, Hulk and Civil War 2 ... They will find out characters actually do really look like comics counter parts. Especially Hawkeye. He is like cut out of Civil War 2 he has a bit more hair but otherwise it looks a lot like him. I feel people are just too attached to the MCU to give game its own identity which is what Developers intended.


NOT_an_ass-hole

nobody should read ultimate things, what they did to almost every character other than spider-man is awful.


MiseryBrick

Correction: What they did to every character after Ultimates 3 was awful. Spidey, Kitty Pryde, and the ancillary characters after were well handled. Ultimatum was probably one of the worst things Marvel has done alongside One More Day.


NOT_an_ass-hole

kitty?


MiseryBrick

Kitty Pryde, one of the X-Men? She was in Ultimate Spider-Man who dated Peter for a minute and ended up leading the Ultimate X-Men after the shitshow that was Ultimatum. She was one of the characters that I think the Ultimate Universe handled fairly well in terms of development and treatment.


NOT_an_ass-hole

i know who she is, but i totally disagree about the ultimates getting her right. imo ultimates fucked everything with x-men


twobert

You’re misunderstanding what people are saying. Obviously the Batman and Spider-Man games are cinematic. Arguably, the primary language of most AAA story-driven, single-player games could be described as cinematic. But the Batman games don’t feel like the Nolan movies and the Spider-Man games feel distinct from the MCU. This is all people are trying to say.


MangoPronto

You are comparing Batman to a movie that is so realistic, he almost never had any cool fight scene. It also had two games beforehand more comic booky and as such had a formula and tropes it could follow while Spider-Man PS4 to movies that didn't exist when it was being made. If you want to compare it to something, compare it to TASM2 which was the last movie being made and we have a very similar fight to Electro, a similar redesign of Rhino, the main villain being Peter's friend as he is hit with a disease, Peter being challenged in his love life as his love interest grows more independant, it also is about the whole city being poisoned which was TASM1 end plan. Of course, the game had its own twist, put in more of Spidey mythos that never showed up in movies but the inspiration can be felt ( which I don't think is a bad thing ) It is natural for Avengers to pick up clues from the MCU but they still add their own touch. Their Thor is way more God-Like and treating himself as such, their Bruce Banner is way more plagues by guilt while Black Widow is a true leader with a soft side that you can trust, despite giving the feeling you can't trust her from a outside eye. The game is building its own mythology and doing things that can only be seen in the game, it just doesn't have time to show it as the story is short and characters like Captain America are only seen for like 1 hour


twobert

I actually think they both have clear inspirations. Aside from the comics, which are a given, the Arkham games take a lot of inspiration from The Animated Series and Spider-Man PS4 takes some of its general tone and feel from Raimi’s movies, especially Spider-Man 2. But even then, Raimi’s movies are really their own thing, because Raimi as a filmmaker is a seriously goofy and over-the-top dude, such that his movies seem to call on the comics in ways the MCU Spider-Man movies don’t. I totally agree with you that it’s natural for this game to take cues from the MCU, and you’re right to point out that the personalities hew a little closer to the comics. It just feels to me that, aesthetically, the game takes a little too much, and this contributes to the overall uninspired feeling of the game. Especially when, as you’ve also noted, they don’t give the characters a lot of time to breathe and lean on your previous knowledge of them.


LeoRex286

I’d just like to point out, ignoring everything else, that the Rhino in Spider-Man PS4 looks nothing like the horrible metal abomination that is TASM2 Rhino. That is all.


jayscribbly

Yeah it has a realistic look to it-- but it still is a version that started at the comics-- the Square Enix designs look like they didn't look at the comics at all and their only knowledge is from the movies. Also-- the SE costumes are just flat out ugly.


NOT_an_ass-hole

The kamala outfit looks just like the comics, it wasnt altered at all, which is weird looking at what they did to cap and Hawkeye.


justsomedudelol12

You know this also reminds me when marvel vs capcom infinite came out it felt more like mcu vs capcom


MiseryBrick

Well Dan Abnett is a former, and maybe current(?), Guardians writer and has heavily been involved at the Marvel bullpen. So I wouldn't go as far to say that they're embarrassed of the comic book origins in terms of writing style. GOTG seems to heavily lean in on the "pulp" side of sci-fi as their aesthetic instead of what we're mostly familiar with however. I do think you're on the mark for Avengers though, but it does seem they're starting to embrace that side a bit more than, say, the MCU in previous years.


ItsAmerico

In what world is the GotG game embarrassed that it’s a comic book origin lol? The fuck are you people even talking about ?


Maelis

The Guardians game looks entirely based on the comics?


LeSnazzyGamer

Definitely not. Maybe based on the comics that came after the movie came out where they basically made them the MCU versions 2.0 but the personalities seem to be MCU-ified


CrimsonSuave90

Well square Enix did tell us in 2016-2017 they have 3 games coming . 1st avengers by crystal dynamics, 2nd gotg by Edios Montreal and a 3rd they said they can’t say anything but it’s very exciting ( hint:Xmen). The gotg is a stand alone single player game that they hope does well if so then a gotg2 will be introduced. I also posted this several months ago in 2020 but the post got deleted for not having evidence a GOTG was being made even though I included multiple links and interviews at the time. One link https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.gamesindustry.biz/amp/2017-01-27-square-enix-signs-deal-to-create-marvel-superhero-games


AvengersStuntDouble

> I also posted this several months ago in 2020 but the post got deleted for not having evidence a GOTG was being made even though I included multiple links and interviews at the time Wow. Lol nice one mods. I wonder if they'll ever see this. I think we have new mods right?


XeJupiter

Yep, we’re the new mods. No idea what happened back then.


Va_Primetime_YT

I stg these people had better not touch X Men. It'll be a single player when you control only Cyclops.


NOT_an_ass-hole

the x-men would work so well with a game like Avengers. You can play lots of characters, they have multiple hub areas already, they can re use enemies all they want, so many good characters to introduce later on, they have tons of costumes so they dont need to design their own cosmetics, it would be perfect. Add in the fact that x-men fans are starved for anything good outside the comics, Square would make tons of money, people would love it, it would be great.


Va_Primetime_YT

I completely agree. But let's look at what HAS happened. Their attempt at an online multiplayer failed so horribly that they are going back to a single player from the perspective of the easiest character to develop around. I HIGHLY doubt they will be able to make a successful version of this game with the X Men


DoroTom

The GOTG isn’t single player because Avengers failed lol. Those choices were made early in development. Plus different devs would be working on the next game lol so you shouldn’t have to worry whether Crystal can do it or not.


NOT_an_ass-hole

They know where they went wrong with avengers. If they take the lessons they learned from avengers, X-Men could be great. As it is, my main problem with Avengers is that there isn't anything to do. All they'd have to do with X-Men is make better missions after beating the story content, or just not pretend to be a live service game.


jwave415

That'd be amazing if they let CD do it again and five years from now it's a re-skin of this game with you fighting Magneto on the bridge.


NOT_an_ass-hole

i dont want them to make magneto the villain


jwave415

It won't be. After chasing him all over the bridge, you'll end up knocking his helmet off and he reveals himself to be none other than Taskmaster yet again.


Va_Primetime_YT

Of course, I pray you're right. I however have no faith and will wait until after the game launches.


thatguybane

>They know where they went wrong with avengers. What makes you believe this?


NOT_an_ass-hole

they're putting the new wander mode in there, they have to know


couldbedumber96

My bar for x-men games has always been legends 2 rise of apocalypse, such a good game


NOT_an_ass-hole

i prefer the original


CrimsonSuave90

Edios Montreal did assist at the beginning of making avengers with Crystal Dynamics then left to make GOTG. I’m pretty sure they also might assist with what ever company making Xmen by square enix. Look at it this way -> avengers is multiplayer and gotg single player. It wouldn’t make sense to have (2) 4 player co-op games running side by side from the same company losing revenue. They know we all want Xmen they even said over 1 million fans asked for it to be in avengers. I suspect e3 2022 or 2023 we will get a teaser or full trailer hopefully that will actually be a AAA game we all been asking for


Va_Primetime_YT

Unfortunately, I have no plans on trusting this company going forward.


Ok-Inspector-3045

"one million fans ask for avengers." CD: you guys hear something? well, anyway... here's 2 Hawkeyes.


Schipunov

Huh. Can you give me a source about 3 Marvel games coming?


Buckhead25

i mean, it's more then 3, long ass time ago it was revealed marvel studios and square enix had a 6 game contract. originally it was gonna be 5 single player games about "iron man, cap, thor, hulk, and supposedly a joint game with widow and clint, then avengers to introduce kamala and be the first multiplayer game of the bunch, but all the other games got scrapped and they rushed to avangers.


Schipunov

Source?


LegsLeBrock

I’d guess the 3rd is tomb raider. They already talked about merging the timelines of the classics with the reboots.


Available-Fennel-145

i think he was on about marvel games? cuz square enix has like 10 non-marvel games coming out, so i think its a marvel game


LegsLeBrock

Oh, my bad. Where did they announce they have 3 marvel games coming?


Available-Fennel-145

no no its fine, im just going on what this guy is saying


Yegger

They can get fucked. After the Avengers id rather eat a bag of dicks than play anything from Square Enix


BropolloCreed

They can be pickled, past expiration dicks, too. They don't even have to be the salty, savory ones.


Frothy_Manbeast

Damn, so they got 2 more flops on their hands


navjot94

GOTG is supposed to be a single player game so hopefully they don’t get bogged down by the issues that plagued Avengers. They just need to nail gameplay and story, and especially if you’re just playing as Star-Lord and not switching characters, it seems like they are setting themselves up for success.


JustARTificia1

Actually that's the worst version of Guardians. Not being able to switch characters like in Marvel Ultimate Alliance is a disaster when Starlord looks so janky and boring. Also single player only is the dullest parts of Marvel Avengers, its like Mega Hives all over again.


AubaMagic98

Except the Guardians game looked better in the gameplay section we saw from E3 than Avengers EVER did.


JustARTificia1

Better for sure, doesn't mean that's good though. Avengers was bad, we just didn't know how bad.


Candid-Bus8773

Lego marvel 2 sucks so fucking hard on split screen


crocadil

Single player slaps tho


Probzenator

Can you explain? I was thinking about getting it for split screen.


khrucible

The sentiment is understandable, but you can't compare the simplicity of a Lego game to the complexity of the model Avengers has chosen (animation, art direction, mo-cap, voice work, cinematics, combat depth, itemisationLOL) Would I prefer Avengers just mass create heroes and roll them out without all the narrative fluff that takes forever to design and lasts 3hrs? Absolutely. Does that represent the majority of this photomode/costume obsessed community? Absolutely not.


PlayingGoji

Did you seriously just imply this game has more in depth art direction and voice work than the Lego games? The environments of your usual Lego game is way more detail-obsessed, accurate to their source materials and planned out than pretty much everything in this game aside from maybe the first and last level. Keep in mind they are rather limited by their engine and still take the effort to make worlds you can spend hours just walking around in. And voice work? Really? Their superhero games have around 150 chars each, all of which are voiced, most of which have interactions and idles AND some of which are major players in the story modes that even give their thoughts of situations throughout random gameplay. Hell, their DC Supervillains game has Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill, Tara Strong and Henry Ironside voicing their iconic characters at their A-Game for a bloody game about plastic bricks. They even have the common decency to let Nolan North voice Deadpool instead of Tony Stark. Say what you will about these games, but especially in these fields, you can't pretend they aren't doing WAY more than is being asked of them.


khrucible

Anyone can pick and choose what suits their agenda to argue over, I chose the sum of all parts unlike the OP and unlike you. I never stated Avengers was stronger in any single category, intentionally. I have no desire to defend this absolutely abysmal effort of an Avengers live service game, but simply dropping memes about how a Lego game can have dozens of characters while this one has 6(+2) after 10 months live is not a valid argument. Apples to Oranges.


BropolloCreed

More like fresh oranges off the tree and moldy, mealy apples full of worms, tbh.


PlayingGoji

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to argue that these two games are even remotely the same type of game. But if you didn't intend to argue that these 2 specific points are more complex in Avengers than in the Lego games (when art design and voice acting with Lego arguably have more depth and effort put in) then you probably shouldn't have mentioned them specifically in the first place. Saying that things like Animation, gameplay, mo-cap, cinematics etc are all too different to even compare is absolutely fair. But voice work and art direction? Come on.


khrucible

Its similar to the oversimplification of comparing a cartoon to a movie. Or a hand drawn animation to CGI. Technically, the effort of delivering one is vastly different to another. Regardless of the depth or quality of the end result. The sum of all parts that are required to delivering anything in this game, outscales what Lego requires to achieve something similar (which proves why the direction Avengers took doesn't work, as Lego arguably do it all better)


PlayingGoji

I agree, I wasn't talking about the sum of all parts though. Only voice acting and art direction. Both of which are far less tangible than the other parts of game development and both of which ARE easily comparable since they take place outside of the constraints set by your engine, programming, modelling etc. This is why I contest their inclusion in your listing of differences that lead to these games not being comparable. Comparing Avengers to Lego games is nonsense, true. But you can easily compare art direction (at least in terms of the environment, the characters are another story) and voice acting as they are not dependant on the constraints of each game. You can do the same with your example on top btw. It'd be nonsense to compare the aesthetic, fluidity and detail of a movie to animation. They are entirely different productions. But you very much can compare the effort put into the setting or the acting of their actors/voice actors.


coolishmom

You could also replace the Lego games with Marvel Ultimate Alliance and it'd be the same


luffy070299

guardians looks cool tho


MangoPronto

I mean, just keep with Lego Games if you care about quantity. I would rather have 9 characters with deep gameplay that all feel unique and entirely different over 100 characters who are basically re-skins with nothing special


fnrux

> I would rather have 9 characters with deep gameplay. I mean yeah, everyone would rather have that but we have yet to get it in an Avengers game.


SomDonkus

This is horse shit. If you genuinely believe the characters don't have deep gameplay I don't think you played this game. No Marvel game ever besides Spider-Man ps4 has adapted character gameplay on this level. Every other Marvel game has zero combat design compared to what they did with Avengers. I'll shit on every aspect of this game but you're delusional if you think the character design and combat team are the problem.


UltraMagnaminous

this game's melee combat WOULD be good if the enemy behavior was more complex to go with it. As it is, we have this cool combat system which is the best recreation of each character I've ever seen, but the enemies are so stupid and simple that there's usually no reason to use any of it.


angerman92

I would say both the character design and the combat are far worse than the Ultimate Alliance games. Combat in Avengers gets real boring real quick.


NOT_an_ass-hole

the combat isn't the problem, the issue with the combat imo is that every enemy has so much health that you cant do anything. If they went quantity over quality with enemies it would be much more fun.


MiseryBrick

Ultimate Alliance is definitely more flashy and looks a bit better, I'll give you that. But the combat is not far worse than the Ultimate Alliance games, where the most you can do in a combo is one or two strings. If you have preference, that's all good, but compare Cap in those games to this one. He's much more robust here than in any of those games.


Nervous_Intern3947

Lego Marvel has Thor and Cap's Put the Hammer down team up. They have voice overs from the mcu actors. Storylines from the actual comics. When they had X-Men it had fastball special. It's got J Jonah Jamison breaking in for updates. It has costumes with different move sets. Engaging patrol missions , and moveset wise i'd say its at least 1 to 1 for the newest one. Its 200% more Marvel than this newest Avengers title and that's being nice.


NOT_an_ass-hole

in lego marvel superheroes 1 deadpool and wolverines skin fall off when their life reaches zero but they dont die because of their healing factors, wolverine has a metal skeleton, the hair is still normal. That is attention to detail, especially when barely anyone will unlock deadpool.


Nervous_Intern3947

It took me forever. My son and I finally got 100% after months, we were at 99%+ for a while trying to figure out what was missing. Turned out to be a Mr Fantastic skin. I'm not a huge Iron Man fan either, but the Avengers lego game did some cool things with the HUD for Tony and changing costumes. Also if you are an actual Lego collector the Hulkbuster in the game was pretty true to life of the toy they sold which was cool.


MrLuchador

Even if MEME, it damn true. Lego Marvel was amazing, and still is. Imagine an up to date open-world game like that.


dylan6998

I honestly just want more Ultimate Alliance games with next gen graphics. 🤷‍♂️


Deaf30

I was so freaking disappointed when I played the Avengers Beta and saw that you couldn't switch heroes. What a missed opportunity...


Classiccarsaregreat4

the lego marvel games just blow marvel's avengers and guardians of the galaxy out of the water. plus with the game lego marvel's avegers, you could travel to diffrent hub worlds for side missions which is what marvel's avengers should have done.


Uri_Mando

GotG hasn't even come out, you can't just suppose is gonna be bad.


Nervous_Intern3947

ahh , i thought maybe this was the Tell Tale Series


Classiccarsaregreat4

where in my comment did i say it was going to be bad. all is said is that the lego games are better.


trizen2906

But let’s be realistic it’s gana be a shitty cash grab like avengers


FattyBoiMason345

I mean, the gameplay that was shown looked janky as fuck and didn't perform well at all. I don't see how anyone can have high hopes for gotg at all lmao


Sparrowsabre7

Especially when you can only play as starlord. Imagine a Fantastic Four game where you only play as Mr Fantastic or an X-men game where you play as a random nobody instead of any of the X-men. Oh wait that was X-men Destiny... and no one liked it!


NOT_an_ass-hole

an x-men game where you play as glob herman


trizen2906

Frustrating with all that wasted potential FML


IshyFishy20

I wish people wouldn't say things like this. I got the Lego games after seeing people talk about how much better they are and I was pretty disappointed. They are cool in their own way but they are different types of games that don't really offer anything like what Avengers is trying to offer.


ItsOverBruhGTFO

They’re just frustrated Marvel geeks, I wouldn’t listen to em man. They say Mau3 is better but, even though i enjoyed the pick up and play, it’s grindy af. I just slapped a 100% completion save data


LegsLeBrock

This. I see a lot of people’s judgement affected by their love for the IP.


RED0617

Lol you get!


Buckhead25

"don't really offer anything like what Avengers is trying to offer" yeah, neither does Avengers.


StealthyRonin

You dare compare the sacred gems to Square Enix's "games"?


NOT_an_ass-hole

all i want is x-men, square. Just give me some fucking X-Men, Square!


Sirmalta

This is not a reasonable comparison. People keep doing things like this and I don't get it.


LeSnazzyGamer

Because it gets them upvotes


Sirmalta

The worst thing about playing a dying game is the only people left in the community are pure cringe.


RED0617

Bro when i saw then comparing Lego and Avengers voices and animations i was done reading this. Like we all have our dislikes with avengers but damn if you saying lego have deeper combat and animations i think you loose all credibility. It’s literally Apples and Oranges


Sirmalta

Yeah, people have zero idea what goes into these games. I mean, hey, if you liked Lego Marvel more, good for you. Im glad you have a good game that you love. But thats subjective. It doesnt matter that they have 100 characters in the game when most are clones and have extremely basic animations and incredibly basic models. Same goes for Ultimate Alliance comparisons. Dont get me wrong, this game isnt exactly the pinnacle of game development, but a lot of effort goes into every little piece of its presentation, even if the actual content and game loop suck ass.


RED0617

This!


DatOtherPapaya

idk, I thought the guardians showcased the good parts of Avengers and hopefully is losing the crap parts.


kibo404returns

Lmfaoo it’s true doe


Secksualinnuendo

If they announced a new Lego Marvel game, I would be so much more hyped than for Guardians and Black panther.


Nervous_Intern3947

The latest Lego Marvel game is pretty much exactly what I want out of open world Patrols, replay value, and costumes. If they ever added the arpg leveling , gearing and crafting I'd happily make Lego my main Marvel franchise, not that it isn't already better in so many ways than the real ones. The crafting is like a natural fit to their world. I hope it comes to be some day soon. Some of the systems are in place from Lego Dimensions


tenchibr

Why is Omni Man Marvel Super Heroes 2 and not the original?


NOT_an_ass-hole

2 blows the original out of the water in every way except ff and x-men


zero_ms

Ahem, as much as I love defending Marvel's Avengers, you cannot compare them to the LEGO games. LEGO games are godlike, full of content, characters, story and emotions.


SanjaySting

LMAOOO


Divi1221

Idk man… Super Heroes 2 was pretty mid


A_Topical_Username

Omniman probably should have been the first Lego marvel


LegsLeBrock

I think the entire LEGO series is ass but to each their own.


MamaDeloris

This image would work better with MUA3. That game is fun as hell and I'm really sick of gaming personalities dismissing it. Scott the Woz has trashed it a few times and he's never played it.


DribCC

The open worlds ruled in the lego games.


Awesomealan1

More like Ultimate Alliance


Fraankiko

All marvel games are to make money and not fans. This one, Avengers, so many problems and they slowly release content while making costumes every week to get money. Mobile games is the same problem, p2w. Last Ultimate alliance was boring. This next one with GotG, looks meh. I have no faith in any marvel game at the moment! And there is a new one coming for mobile.


Ok-Inspector-3045

this meme format is undefeated


Jenaris

In terms of marvel games you may want to put web of shadows on there as one of the faces. Nothing could ever beat that game's combat.


Mission_Ordinary_796

People seem to forget that this is an avengers game, and that the avengers consisted of these core members (Ironman,Hulk,Captain America,Thor, Hawkeye and Black Widow)before anyone else showed up. And just like the movies, and comics, they got more people overtime into the roster but it was mainly that 6.They’re tryna do this mcu/fortnite style where they expand their roster overtime while still acknowledging the other characters exist in this world but it still isn’t an origin like the first avengers movie or comic. The main reason most are complaining about its roster is because we’ve been spoiled by Marvel games that consisted of almost the ENTIRE marvel universe. Lego marvel superheroes and ultimate alliance games had almost all of the famously known marvel roster in a game, with the lego games letting you play as the villains too.Some of the people they’re asking for technically aren’t even avengers tbh. The Avengers as a team barely got a fraction of that most of the time and when it does,there’s either a world-ending threat to bring them all out or (like in the expansion) they’re helping another person in marvel out. And while people are asking why did we get Kamala instead of Spider-Man to reunite the avengers it’s because it makes more sense for Kamala,a fan of the avengers with powers, to do this than Spider-Man, a hero with his own issues probably suppressed cause of these events.He got his own stuff to deal with unless he’s reached out to directly or visibly sees the world might end. Plus let’s be real,Spider-Man is not an avenger. He’s a hero that will help them out but not be a card carrying member with no secret identity. And the other problems this game has, the lego games didn’t have to deal with at all.In terms of everyone being their own character during a fight holds true on both ends.The enemy being the same character with a different skin ALSO holds true on both ends. Unless they’re a boss, they all feel identical. And on the few boss topic,let’s count them. 1. Taskmaster 2. Abomination 2.5 Maestro (I don’t think he’s a full reskin but y’all do so I’ll do it like this) 3. Robot boss 3.5 Flying robot boss 5. M.O.D.O.K. 6. Super Adaptoid (best one imo) 7. Scientist Supreme(coming later this month) 7.25 Monica Rapuccini (Mech fight,easy asf) And with the expansion coming later 8. Klaw 9. Klaw monster form Now if you break it down to actual marvel villains you got 5 of them rn with 2 more coming later. All in all, you get 9 with 3 more coming later. Problem is we can only replay 6 of them, 3 of them only being But forget that, the game got hella bugs for sure, I’m not defending those (even tho i somehow barely ran into the severe ones like falling through the floor), that’s why the game shoulda came later instead of trying to compete with cyberpunk 2077 (don’t get me started on that). Enemies do need a bit of diversity but at the same time what group of enemies can take on the avengers aside from an army of people or robots or people in robots? Aliens like the skrull and kree will definitely play a big role later on if this game keeps going. Now the skins thing I also get, kinda pricey and while you can compare them to fortnite you don’t have to pay for fortnite so I can see the skins prices being a big deal. But with all dlc is free, so why should people complain about paying for skins? It’s pure entitlement. Imo legendary skins should be $9 with everything else getting a mark down as well. The mcu skins look good, minus hulk cause of his proportions plus you can’t really give him much of a skin. And for those complaining about hawkeye’s skin,look at the movie again and see how long he kept the shoulder pads and hood on. Granted it does look better with them on,i could see what they were doing. In all honesty the game should’ve never been a live service looter shooter,it should’ve been strictly a solo/co-op campaign with a level-based system keeping the trees and if there are gear it’s just adds resistances or an effect to certain attacks like it does now. Skins can still be found through patterns but much easier to find/get like in chests. No health bars or effects should be shown for the enemies and there should be boss takedowns and regular takedowns should be finishers. Team attacks should also be a thing. Now there are a lot of other things that should’ve been implemented in the game and it’s got a decent amount of flaws but I will still this something like this over another ultimate alliance or lego marvel game that lacks true and immersive combat. Only real flaws that people will not excuse are the content(which I agree but see why it’s late) and characters. The bugs are an issue too,but people will tolerate it for both until they are fixed if the content makes up for them. Lego marvel and ultimate alliance has proved it. But I don’t think we should get spoiled on it like usual.


DeVaako

They should've added GOTG in avengers, pretty sure it would pay off more


couldbedumber96

Have marvel’s avengers alliance on the right, I’m still mad they canned that game


caliiforniiakiid

they can't fix this game because they drip feed you boring content then fill the store with skins who the hell is recommending people buy this full price literally no one


AnirudhMenon94

I quite liked what they showed of Guardians 🤷‍♀️


TankieSappho

Lego marvel 2 is so fucking good


venomousbeetle

Should be MUA3


BlueLegendGod

If they wanna be better start with making the game to the same level or better than marvel heroes omega sorry. Games been gone for awhile yet its still the best standard of what we wanted in a marvel game especially without those mircotransactions funny how it took the game closing for everything to be damn near free still. If marvel's avengers can become similar or better than that they'll have ascended simple💯


LongLiveTchalla

I see we’re at the point of the discourse where we are pretending Lego games are good lol


eastcoastkody

Right. They're cute and all..but they r beyond braindead to play


Lordlegion5050

It’s sad when a lego game doesn’t flat out lie to you unlike guardians of the galaxy where you literally just play as starlord only. Marvel and square enix are weirdos


mjolnirrings

Lunatics? Jesus christ dude. You need to step outside.


Alphapunk98

You need genuine mental help.


Lordlegion5050

For pointing out something? Seems like it’s the other way around


Alphapunk98

There's a difference between pointing out something and *obsessing* over it. Look at your comment history, it's literally none stop comments like "omg they should call it Star Lord, the big liars!!" But no, you need mental help for comments like this: >Marvel and square enix are lunatics