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Ramoslomas

Knight of the reliquary, it wouldn't be good, i just love the card edit: typo


guaxinimruivo

Master of the Pear Trident and/or Tide Shaper, for sure. I could argue for Svyelun, but I would be asking for too much


Peoht-Seax

One more lord would help a ton


Shamans90

This here lol


airplane001

Champion of the parish


ofruine

Honestly I’m shocked that it’s not already pioneer legal


Lazbum91

100% please give me champion of the parish wotc


HardCor05

Card would be banned within a month


airplane001

Imo Thalia’s lieutenant is better


HardCor05

Happy cake day, champion being a one drop that can then be protected if your opponent doesn't have one mana removal is pretty insane.it gets so big so fast. Obviously thaliasa is good but champion being 1 mana makes it way better and would skyrocket mono whitebto s++


airplane001

Mono white is really hosed by sideboard sweepers as the only counterplay is taxing effects. It’s hard to imagine it being that much better than the rest


HardCor05

its literally the 3rd best deck right now, the deck is resilient to sweepers via thalia and extraction specialist champion makes the deck even faster


Flexisdaman

Any 1 drop that’s going to force a removal spell is gonna be pretty good. Champion into Thalias lieutenant is a pretty good early curve.


Neep70

Lingering souls or restoration angel


JonasFranzKong

Flame slash


Nearbyatom

Elvish archdruid.


the_obtuse_coconut

[[Drogskol Captain]] Im sick of running Empyrean eagle in my spirits deck.


RedPandaPlush

I know it isn't as good but [[patrician geist]] exists


the_obtuse_coconut

Well empyrean eagle is just kinda better at the moment. The extra point of toughness is welcome and the deck has no graveyard synergies to speak of outside maybe 3-drop rogue out of the board. And drogskol captain gives everything he proof which is just amazing when you couple it with [[Collected Company]] & [[Rattlechains]]


Mazrim_reddit

phrexian arena, its never been modern playable but it would be sweet in pioneer without being overpowered.


tunkle

Give me actual soul sisters instead of this crap that only triggers on my creatures. Norin the wary for boros sisters as well.


Basta57

Thought Scour


MrDelirious

I think a cantripping Dark Ritual *might* get the Delve spells banned finally.


ofruine

I think Blooodghast would be a good inclusion without being too prevalent. It would do what most inclusions should do, enable more fringe strategies. In this case it would help GY aggro decks become a bit more of a thing and give MBC some toys


jongbag

And trbial Vamps! Getting to loop Bloodghast with Sorin's Lightning Helix ability would be really good, since Bloodghast is a playable creature on its own, unlike \[\[Silversmote Ghoul\]\].


RidiculedDaily

Slippery Bogle


Intrepid_Olive_6296

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well


RidiculedDaily

I play pioneer locally with a pretty competitive pool and I almost always play GW Bogless Bogles. It's a good time. ​ EDIT: [My current list](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IxVt73jon0-5gRb8ActXEQ) for those interested in playing the deck.


Durbokii

Shit man this looks real good im gonna try it


DSmith19911

100% slippery bogle should be pioneer legal. Invisible stalker also


Dayarii

This 100%


BourgeoisMystics

Bloodghast!


jongbag

Make Vampires Playable Again!


BourgeoisMystics

Vampires, dredgeless dredge, black aggro…the card is perfectly fine on power level for the format and doesn’t really power up any existing tier archetype. Give us Bloodghast, you cowards!


Rekt_lunch

Knight of the reliquary, gravecrawler, lingering souls, huntmaster of the fells, resto angel, unburiel rites, heritage druid, titan cycle, memnite, path to exile, conflagerate, life from the loam, expedition map, vampire nocturnus, geist of saint traft, ancient grudge, relic of progenitus, lightning helix.


adamlaceless

Missing old modern huh?


MykirEUW

Knight is meh without fetches sadly


palindrome-doe

The titans do seem a little bit to much IMHO But i for sure would like to see those obsolete modern cards being relevant again Édit : spelling


azetsu

Why do you think that the Titans are too strong? They are all 6 drops that don't instantly win the game


kynrayn

What kinda crack you smoking? [[primeval titan]]


El_Jaune

But for pioneer? No valakut, no sunhome, no FotD, no Urza's Saga. It would still be a good card, but I wouldn't consider it absolutely powerful bonkers in pioneer.


kynrayn

Pioneer isn't fast enough. IMO it just pushes mono green devotion even more, and opens it up to playing ulamog.


azetsu

Maybe that one, but what about the other 4?


kynrayn

Frost titan is trash, but the other 3 could probably see some play.


palindrome-doe

Why the downvotes? O.o Playing amulet in modern, primeval quickly poped in my mine, but it would be kinda fair i think since there's not to much to abuse with its trigger, but grave and Inferno seem to be a lot stronger in slower format Don't know about sun titan thought Concerning frost titan, it's kinda trashy exept in a meta where the other shine : frost titan is the one titan that can stop the others


jongbag

Holy shit \[\[Vampire Nocturnus\]\] is insane! That + Bloodghast would give such a needed boost to the archetype.


MoistPast2550

Let’s add goyf and bloodbraid elf and I say we’re golden


AvatarSozin

[[essence harvest]]. I wanna play this in bg scales!


Peoht-Seax

[[Unearth]]


apsimmons

I wouldn't want too many cards that were ever long-standing Modern staples to fill in Pioneer. I like that the format feels similar on power level to early Modern while having its own pool of cards. That said, there are many cards that never got to see their day of glory. \[\[Power Conduit\]\] \[\[Isonchron Scepter\]\] \[\[Noxious Revival\]\] \[\[Grafted Wargear\]\] Some pet cards off the top of my head. Resource denial and greedy mana hate. One version of \[\[Stone Rain\]\] would be fine, I think. \[\[Ghost Quarter\]\] would be a nice player in the format. A fixed \[\[Blood Moon\]\] effect, but it would have to be a different card I think. Something like - Nonbasics are Mountains and Mountains gain "2: Add one mana of any color". I would be interested to see if there is anything the Bounce Land cycle could do in Pioneer. I think it might be slow enough to possibly take advantage of a handful of MDFCs with one or two Bounce Lands getting them back for late game value. \[\[Bump in the Night\]\] as probably the worst version of bolt, to see if it can help burn get there (RDW is not burn). Some generically useful prison cards. \[\[Ghostly Prison\]\], \[\[Ensnaring Bridge\]\], \[\[Chalice of the Void\]\], etc. probably don't fit well in Pioneer, so maybe no reprints. We are only one card that can see the top of opponent's library away from doing the Lantern thing as well. Any decent flicker effect. Need some ETB enablers. MAYBE a decent 2 mana counterspell. UW seems to be in a decent spot without it though. \[\[Mana Leak\]\] probably wouldn't break anything. I personally love \[\[Remand\]\], but I'm not sure if it should be in Pioneer.


xKoney

Honestly, just all of OG Innistrad. Tons of sweet cards like Snapcaster Mage, Unburial Rites, Champion of the Parish, Huntmaster of the Fells, Avacyn's Pilgrim, all the Miracle cards, Blood Artist, and so much more. [Relevant Scryfall search](https://scryfall.com/search?q=-legal%3Apioneer+block%3Aisd&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name) Edit: some more notable cards in case you don't have time to click the link: Cavern of Souls, Craterhoof Behemoth, Drogskul Captain, Faithless Looting, Ghost Quarter, Griselbrand, Hellrider, Invisible Stalker, Intangible Virtue, Lingering Souls, Olivia Voldaren, Past in Flames (are there any rituals legal? Probably not), Stony Silence, Strangleroot Geist, Stromkirk Noble, Think Twice (used to be a control staple, not probably outclassed), Thought Scour (I don't think decks play this anymore now that Consider exists, but maybe replace Opt in Phoenix?)


Shoelucky

I second this answer.


AutoMoxen

Other than Faithless Looting, which I think would be easy too strong for pioneer, I'm all for this


SethJaws

anything that makes fable less ubiquitous


HardCor05

Card is being played in every format idk what cards you think can be added to makenit see less play


Chest3

[[Blood Moon]] or it’s [[Magus]]?


APe28Comococo

That would make it more ubiquitous.


KaminasSquirtleSquad

Blood moon is an awful idea for the format.


Kmattmebro

Seasoned Pyromancer then!


sweetcreep

Death's Shadow


caucasian88

Does shadow have enough support to work? Is street wraith pioneer legal? I'd be very curious to see what a pioneer shadow list looks like


Blenderhead36

As much as I love GDS, I suspect the answer is no. They made it legal in Historic on Arena. Pioneer and Historic are pretty different, but they're both missing fetchlands and Street Wraith. These are the go-to enablers, especially fetches, because they buff Shadow while also doing something useful. Historic briefly saw Orzhov Shadow emerge as a fine-but-not-great deck. Even then, it was reliant on *different* cards that aren't legal in Pioneer, specifically [[Ranger-Captain of Eos]]. You can play Feed the Swarm and Thoughtseize, but there's just not enough redundant, fine-tunable life costs in Pioneer to make Shadow show up on time at a reasonable size.


drlawsoniii

Rancor


JohnMayerCd

Jtms


ekienhol

\[\[AEther Vial\]\]


pumpkinwavy

Restoration Angel and Remand, that's it


shakly_yugin

Mana leak, tarmogoyf, dark confidant


Intrepid_Olive_6296

Do you think that goyf without fetches and 0 cmc artifacts would be playable?


RosethaiGrandmaster

As Deathrite shaman and Delve spells prove I think Goyf would be garbage in Pioneer


RosethaiGrandmaster

Meaning that without fetches those cards are not nearly as strong as people thought


RosethaiGrandmaster

Still strong dont get me wrong, except Shaman which sees no play


shakly_yugin

Is Treasure cruise bad in your opinion?


RosethaiGrandmaster

No it's just not broken or oppressive, and its good in the one archetype that can accomodate it, in modern every blue deck could have play it thanks to fetches


apsimmons

I remember watching some tournament where the burn deck was splashing blue for Treasure Cruise.


shakly_yugin

As far as I know, it is playable in historic, which is also a format without fetches and 0 cmc artifacts. But honestly, I'm not sure it would be a good card in Pioneer. I just gave what came to my mind.


Intrepid_Olive_6296

I don't play historic but I rode people referring to goyf as kinda "meh"


Blenderhead36

I looked this up on Goldfish. There's 1-1/2 decks that play it (a BG midrange deck that sometimes stretches to Jund). My bet is that is what it would do in Pioneer. Goyf is still good after a Thoughtseize on turn 1. Might even be good in Sultai on the back of Consider. But it's definitely a card you need a reason to run, and it's going to be a 3/4 a lot more often than a 4/5.


ofruine

Based off peoples experiences with it in historic it would be like. Pretty okay. Definitely not as big of a house as it is with early fetches


Splenectomy13

I can see Dark Confidant and Goyf in Pioneer, especially without fetchlands to help Goyf. Mana leak is pretty much better than every 2 mana counterspell in the format though.


StrangleDoot

Every 2 mana counter in the format sucks except negate and dovins veto


azetsu

Yeah Goyf is probably fine without fetches and bob is anyway fine, but I don't want mana leak


CountryCaravan

Bob’s my pick. It could fill the hole left behind with the loss of Lurrus and leads to some incredibly exciting decisions.


Blenderhead36

I have difficulty believing that Goyf would be a player in Pioneer. Goyf requires a format with a lot of cheap interaction. It's golden age in Modern was a time when the first two turns would usually see at least player crack a fetchland and at least one play a Sorcery. If that Sorcery was Serum Visions, Goyf was at least a 2/3, if it was Thoughtseize, Goyf would usually be a 4/5 for 2. In Legacy, we'd see Force of Will or Daze in the mix a lot, as well. Goyf is still good when you Thoughtseize on turn 1. The problem is, for most decks that play Thoughtseize, it's usually the single best card in the deck to play on turn 1. They need a 2 drop that's good when they aren't firing on all cylinders, not one that's at its best when they're already winning. We're already looking at Goyf effectively having -1/-1 VS Modern and Legacy because of how much harder it is to bin lands in Pioneer. My guess is that Goyf would probably see play in exactly one deck. It's legal in Historic and is played in 1.5 decks there (BG Midrange that may or may not play red). It might actually see *more* play if Fable of the Mirror-Breaker gets banned. "But those cards work great together!" They do, but Fable is so good that Bx midrange doesn't need stretch itself to 3 colors. Bob and Mana Leak seem great though.


BasedDptReprsentativ

Snapcaster Mage


irregularnonagon

I have a good feeling that they’ll put snap in pioneer eventually. It would be so great, and I don’t think it would be even a little broken.


beecross

Insane to me that Snapcaster Mage would be an underpowered card in today’s Magic. I’m so old


toyne

Agreed


azetsu

All the Titans except the green one (Sun Titan, ...)


PulsatingOrb

[[The Rack]]. Praying we get at least *some* callback to it in Brother's War since it's a Mishra invention


CoffinVendor

God yes. My 8 Rack dream for Pioneer will never come true without it and Smallpox, but just having The Rack would keep the dream alive!


PulsatingOrb

Yeah Smallpox seems like a reach but I hope The Rack at least makes it in the artifact mystical archive so I can play it in Waste Not/Tinybones on Arena in Historic.


Intrepid_Olive_6296

I'd honestly love to see the rack, was the first deck I ever rented!


Z4lost

Phyrexian walker, cranial plating, master of ether Kim


MonetaryMentor

Soulherder


Paintrain36135

Boom//Bust I just love that card


FootballLow6303

[[Lava Spike]] [[Searing Blaze]] [[rift bolt]] [[Grim lavamancer]] I don’t believe the true and only, [[lightning bolt]] , would be healthy for the format. Grim might look too powerful, but with no fetches, there isn’t all that much to leave from the graveyard.


Fragbaitbeta

[[Mana tithe]]


Blenderhead36

[[Mindbreak Trap]] and [[Inquisition of Kozilek]] Eternal formats are always defined by transgressive designs. The best way to keep Standard fresh is to methodically introduce cards that are a little too good, so that they nudge the format certain ways. These transgressions will eventually leave Standard over the course of rotation. Being careful to seed transgressive cards in different directions and not put too many that transgress in the same ways keeps things from going to far in one direction (with bans fixing cases of poorly aimed transgressions). This means that eternal formats are always clustered around combining similar transgressions from different times. A perfect example is that Liliana of the Veil and Thoughtseize have never been in Standard together, with LotV infamously cut from M15 during development when it was realized what adding here to the monoblack devotion deck (headlined by Thoughtseize) would do to Standard. Unlike Standard, transgressions never leave an eternal format until they're banned. Thus, it is good to proactively seed generic answer cards into a format, particularly for card types that are difficult to interact with. M20 was legitimately great on this front, adding lots of hate cards like Grafdigger's Cage and Leyline of the Void to Pioneer just before the format was announced. Inquisition of Kozilek is a generic combo breaker that excels especially at stopping early game combos. Mindbreak Trap stops combos that use Instants and Sorceries, the most difficult card type in the game to interact with, from digging through their deck and casting their win condition, and it can be boarded in by any deck. Cheap, generic options that stop degenerate combos and synergies are a great way to keep transgressive designs in check without having to ban them, letting more people play the powerful cards they enjoy without destroying other players'options.


chente_goldmane

All of Innistrad. I just wanna play lingering souls again


coltrecon

[[kor skyfisher]]


jdawgg904

Knight exemplar. Knight tribal is so close to greatness, this would put it over the top


Mr_Versatile123

Innistrad Block


RegalKillager

As few that have actually been good in Modern, Legacy or Vintage at any point as possible. Give me the Lorwyn Banneret cycle or something.


jongbag

I think \[\[Gatekeeper of Malakir\]\] could be an interesting addition without being too oppressive.


jangens1122

I want snapcaster mage. And/or cryptic command.I don’t feel like snapcaster would be too good, as there isn’t a lot of cheap cards on the format, you have things like fatal push, cantrips, and Dovin’s veto, but I think you wouldn’t run the full playset because it’s just not going to be nearly as live in pioneer as it was when it was playable in modern


SpideyStrawhat

Tarmogoyf to give Golgari a good 2drop. It would be not that good without fetchlands but still goes out of the Fiery Impulse range pretty fast. Good clock on its own. On the same note, Lingering Souls would be a good reason to play Orzhov or Mardu to keep diversifying black midrange strategies. Dark Confidant, because I suspect that Fable will be eventually banned so pumping Rakdos is not an issue lmao. Mana Leak or Remand to have a "go to" 2 mana countermagic. Restoration Angel, Blade Splicer and Knight of the Reliquary, Huntmaster of the Fells, Gravecrawler because they are really elegant designs. Drogskol Captain because Empryrean Eagle is bad and incredibly ugly, I want to play my old Modern Bant Spirits deck even if it's without Vial and Hierarch. More tribal lords. Master of the Pearl Trident, Vampire Nocturnus, Elvish Archdruid. Also Serum Visions, another one that died in Modern.


zenbeni

Mana tithe, Remand, Spreading Seas, Ghost quarter, Lightning Helix, Stone Rain, Esper charm. I don't think these would break the format but will give more alternatives for decks. Being able to punish greedy manabases would make the format better I feel (not asking for blood moon as it would indeed break everything I feel).


[deleted]

Blacksmith's Skill for my Boros Heroic deck and General Ferrous Rokiric for my Niv to Light deck.


Magwikk

I’m a simple man, just give me lightning bolt


ViTimm7

Snapcaster and Lingering Souls sound really cool. maybe cryptic command too?


xKoney

Snapcaster and Lingering Souls would be dope. But as much as it pains me to say this (since it's my #1 favorite card of all time), I think Cryptic Command would probably be too powerful for Pioneer. Just the mind games alone of "I see 4 mana untapped, do they have Cryptic Command, The Wandering Emperor, or Memory Deluge?" would be annoying for players to navigate, let alone the sheer power level and utility. I would love to be casting Cryptic Command again though. It's a shame it's been outclassed and relegated to "binder fodder" nowadays.


ViTimm7

Also Pioneer is a format with Dig and Torrential Gearhulk playable. It probably would change how the deck is built just to accommodate 3-4 Cryptics just for how useful and versatile it is


Splenectomy13

Vengevine


Intrepid_Olive_6296

I think that that might push phoenix but I'd love to play it alongside hollow one in pioneer


Splenectomy13

The deckbuilding restrictions of Phoenix and Vine utterly clash. Right now, Phoenix has an extremely high density of spells and barely any creatures. Modern Vengevine decks have the opposite, and a lot more graveyard payoffs than Phoenix. They’re definitely two completely different decks.


NothingMoreThanThat

It's almost like an evil mirror of Phoenix. Honetly seeing them fight each other would be glorious.


slyby

Bolt


SinceTheBeginning

Preeminent Captain


ekienhol

This is pioneer legal, last reprint was M15.


SinceTheBeginning

Isn’t pioneer after khans set? If not just ignore me 😅


ekienhol

Return to Ravnica to current, so the core sets M14 and M15 are included.


shadowlordmtg

[[Bloodghast]] [[Inquisition of kozilek]] [[Raven's crime]] [[The rack]] [[Eldrazi temple]]


Parmeirista

Hedron Crab


NykthosVess

[[Surgical extraction]] I'll be taking your parhellion/mayhem devil/phoenix/thing in the ice/kroxa/greasefang/leger shredder gg 💕 And I think they should print the shit out of it too. I think it would be good for the format for nobody's combo pieces to be safe. It would definitely keep certain lists in check.


bobert680

Surgical is probably one of the best uses for phyrexian mana to. Maybe a reprint in one of the upcoming phyrexian sets?


jongbag

Even Extirpate as a debatebly fairer version would be fine, I think.


elijahcrooker

Blood braid elf and inquisition of Kozlik let me play boomer jund


TheSnailGods

Zero. Pioneer is its own format with its own staples and pillars. It is not a place for all of the Modern staples that go power crept by Ravagan & friends


Intrepid_Olive_6296

That wasn't my suggestion at all. In the same way LoTV was reprinted and was impactful maybe other cards could be and I just wanted to know what single card people would like to be pio-legal


TheSnailGods

That’s fair, it’s just normally these posts are thinly veiled “I think the entirety of my 2015 Jund deck should be legal in Pioneer, agree?”


ReddKane

[[Eldrazi temple]] please and thanks.


cateater3735

So without being too on the nose il go for old cards that see little play. Mana leak, path, pyro ascension. And a bonus although not modern legal, standstill.


zamers1323

Tron lands


Intrepid_Olive_6296

I kinda hate to agree with you


ALiteralMermaid

I just envisioned mono green tron in pioneer and nearly cried


Dayarii

\[\[Lifelink\]\]


Kheliaal

I’ll see your Lifelink and raise you [[[Spirit Link|LEG]]](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/37/spirit-link)


adamlaceless

Spirit Link let’s you die with its trigger on the stack…


Kheliaal

True that, I just wanted to look at Kaja Foglio’s art.


Bloodygaze

Coonterspell and/or Lightning Bolt. They were staples of Standard for a significant portion of Magic’s history. It’s weird that they are deemed “too strong” in todays ultra power crept environment.


Electrical_Law_5582

Counterspell


EwanPorteous

Simple counterspell for me.


Kontaendrae

Baleful strix !!! (I know its not modern legal, but the snow coatl would be crap with no fetches for snow basics...)


pjcdavies

It's a sweet card, but really dunks on creature decks, which doesn't seem like a cool dynamic. Strix is powerful enough in Legacy that I don't want it in Pioneer.


Kontaendrae

In a creature centric meta, strix is actually a target for the main deck removal of your opponent, so you do get a 2 for 1, but their removal are less dead against you, and it kinda balances out no ? But yes it is really powerfull, which is why i would love it


Tebwolf359

Fetches. 100% serious. But that aside, Noble Hirearch / jenara, Asura of War / Rafiq of the Many / Rhoda War Monk. I started in alara block, and I miss those standees era decks.


HalfAMAZlNG

Lingering Souls.


LookAtYourEyes

Restoration Angel


SneakyRascal

Marit Lage's Slumber :)


Qa-ravi

[[Seal of Fire]] as a way to turbo out a turn 2 [[Chandra’s Incinerator]], and [[Lightning Helix]] for my pet Boros Midrange deck


selficide

[[Beacon of Hope]] Gimme my two card combo with [[Tainted Remedy]]


droslag

All the good zombies and damnation


Frostinator123

[[Dungrove Elder]].


Foil-Kiki-Jiki

[[Amulet of Vigor]], but probably not for what you’d think. I just really like [[Maze’s End]].


strangledangles

Snapcaster is an easy one, I think it would be absolutely fine in the format. Could be tricky to print into standard safely though. I think Path to Exile would be just fine as well. Obviously would become one of the most played removal spells, but the downside feels impactful enough. Good at answering mono g's threats efficiently...but doesn't destroy their game plan since it ramps. Gives another cheap answer to aggro decks but gets them closer to activating man lands. Surprised no one suggested this yet.


mastro80

Champion of the Parish


JTheGameGuy

Aether vial, I love vial decks


LimpWrongdoer

noble hierarch


spookykatt

Phyrexian Obliterator


PoopingOnCompanyTime

Scars of Mirroden fast lands, incomplete land cycles bother me. It's bad enough that I have to wait until November for brushland.


ForsakenCampaigns

\[\[Kindle the Carnage\]\]


DrKatz11

Drogskol Captain, and dare I say… Aether Vial.


s_l_c_

Leaning Arbitor. I miss old GW taxes with company.


Chest3

I said this to someone else but yeah: Blood Moon or Magus of the Moon. Sorry to all the Niv to Light players


AwfulDonkey

I would kill for [[Lingering souls]]


GreatOneFreak

[[Flagstones of Trokair]], I would love to play an elvish reclaimer + flagstones + lotus field + blood sun deck. Might be too hard to interact with though.