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Yelloeisok

I just do not understand parents wanting their kids to have less educational opportunities than they had. What good will it do to have under educated children when they know how cut-throat the world is, and how much worse it will be in the future? How can they do that - do they really want their offspring to have it harder than it is already going to be? Things will not be automatically better when boomers die off, and boomers aren’t the majority of the parents of school age children. If one of the reasons some people have kids is that primary urge to have their genetics survive, why would they intentionally handicap their intellect??!


yeags86

I’m going to go out on a limb here - but their parents probably have little intellect and fear it. To put it succinctly - the mother in The Waterboy.


PPQue6

Books are the devil!!!!!!!


Unregistered_Davion

That there readin' is basically witch craft. No child of mine will read them there devil books! ​ That's how it seams to me here in Lancaster county anyway.


RunningOnPunkTime

Fascism is inherently anti-intellectual


kifn2

Very true. It is one of the core features of fascism.


ronmexicoQB

My kids school in the Philadelphia school district took Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird off of the school summer reading list because of concerns centered on cultural insensitivity. Is this a book banning or is it only when purported Conservatives do it for what are deemed to be the wrong reasons?


nooonotthisagain

> Things will not be automatically better when boomers die off, and boomers aren’t the majority of the parents of school age children. The youngest boomer with even a high school senior would have had that child at the age of ~39 so I'd say "aren't the majority" is a severe understatement. In fact, I'm not sure what Boomers have to do with any of this other than the fact that some of their values are valid and still thriving. This article goes straight from blaming bans on racism and gender normativity to quoting a defense from an author who wrote a book for school children that includes graphic scenes violence, sexual and otherwise (and conveniently fails to mention any of that). Time to accept that younger generations of parents--not just the classic Boomer scapegoats--were not exposed to that kind of thing as students and don't suddenly see it as an "educational opportunity" for their children to be exposed to it. They see these YA novels as the trash they mostly are, if not from a moral standpoint then at least from a literary one. They consider the Western canon and American classics to be a more worthwhile focus than whatever pulp is being hurried into school libraries in the frenzy of decolonization.


Yelloeisok

I am not familiar with the book you are referring to, but what DeSantis called ‘woke’ in a math book is really speeding down a slippery slope.


nooonotthisagain

Given that thousands of books have been banned, I'm sure there is plenty of pearl clutching going on with conservatives. I just don't think it's fairly to broadly characterize people who are involved enough as parents to care what their kids are reading as backwards Boomer-lites that only want people reading the Bible.


Kitchen-Awareness-60

To be honest as someone who’s pretty damn liberal, I don’t mind all that much. My reasoning is that the school should be strictly for math science etc and not social issues like lgbtq issues. My children have access to any book they ever want through school library public library and what I will order them through Amazon. They are exposed in a manner that I feel appropriate to all social issues as they get older. There’s no outrage here because I do not expect a public school to teach these things anyway. I’m ok if they do but I don’t need them to. I also understand the slippery slope argument but I don’t think it warrants losing sleep over this sort of thing.


HeyZuesHChrist

You might give your kids access to whatever content they want outside of school but that’s not how a lot of these parents are. What we end up with are adults who have grown up in an echo chamber their whole lives.


Yelloeisok

Book burning - or banning - is bad for any society.


Kitchen-Awareness-60

If it was a public library I would agree with you. But a school? It’s not the same thing


spinderlinder

Guess whats coming after they ban the books from school? If you don't think they're coming after public libraries that use tax money I've got a bridge for sale.


HeyZuesHChrist

Less educated people are easier to control. They don’t want their kids educated because they don’t want their kids to think for themselves. If they do they might not think exactly like they do.


frickinheck420

"It make me uncomfortable therefore bad" -The parents


BrainWav

This came up before, and IIRC this is largely due to some school district in York going completely insane and skewing the numbers. Not that that makes it better, but I think it's good to point it out.


Yelloeisok

Westmoreland County enters the chat - namely Hempfield.


HopelesslyHuman

Ugh. Thank you for reminding me how fucking red and worthless most of this township is.


Yelloeisok

Look at the bright-side - you are not double taxed. You pay less property tax because the state police are paid by the gas tax. Same gas tax those of us with police forces have to pay along with paying for our city and borough taxes. The main things i know about Hempfield are that rt 30 is more horrible there than east of your township. Kim Ward lives there and as head of the state GOP house she blocks any progress legislation by any Democratic Rep, and also brought us the latest 2020 election audit we are paying for (along with blocking the $2k Wolf wants to give to Pennsylvanians) - so quit voting for her please! And that Hempfield leads the area in book bans and does not pay enough property taxes for all those newer homes Hempfield has. Sorry this came off as being bitter. But please tell your neighbors to stop voting in Kim Ward please.


ChrisBegeman

I am not sure if it is still true, but Hempfield Township used to be the township with the highest population without their own police force. I live in Hempfield Township less than a 1/4 mile from the Manor Police department. If something happens, they won't help me. I would have to wait god knows now long for the State Police to show up. The school district is decent, but used to be better before they started cutting programs to put off tax increases. Glad my kids are out as the standards continue to fall.


Yelloeisok

I am glad they had the opportunity to get a better education before the book burners - I mean book banners, took over. Guess they want to start identifying as Pennsyltucky too.


DarthBrandon_2024

I remember going to "farm parties" in high school in hempfield. ​ They were, a trip. Strange "culture" out that way. Its like cornfields and underfunded schools.


jasons_jukebox

Doylestown school district has also gone nuts - can't remember if it is CB East or CB West


spinderlinder

There's a CB teacher who lives in my district. She's actively trying to ban a list of books. Shes at every school board meeting and every parent meeting spouting her nonsense. Shes a Q-Anon following, election denier and has a giant Let's go Brandon sign on her front yard that I drive by every day. It's not just rural PA. These people are infecting the entire state. This woman is smart and determined and I don't know how to stop her.


jasons_jukebox

I have a friend who is pretty active in organizing protests in that region. I find it terrifying what is happening there. Those poor kids, caught in the middle of this school board gone crazy. Haven't seen anything too drastic in my kids school district - yet. But we are just down the road in Upper Moreland. I still think the Let's Go Brandon phrase is the stupidest thing ever.


spinderlinder

The ironic part is she wants to ban books because of content but has a giant "Fuck Joe Biden" sign on a busy road. I have to explain to my kids what that means. Way more damaging than a book that mentions or talks about LGBTQ people or issues. Fuck that lady. She is the worst kind of person.


jasons_jukebox

Logic isn't something these people operate with. I find that if I post anything that is even slightly critical of someone associated with the left, friends who lean right go wild and comment on it. But lately I've been posting highly critical articles pointing out the hypocrisy of saying they are the party of Jesus and comparing stuff to the Bible (I'm non religious, but grew up with the Bible). Crickets.


DarthBrandon_2024

York co?? arent they Very liberal?


Cardboard_Waffle

The city of York is, but the rest of the county is very conservative.


DarthBrandon_2024

ah, that explains it then


Opinionsare

But sadly, no one has banned the Bible for all the horrors, sex, and immorality contained in the various versions of this so-called holy book.


LavenderDay3544

It's kind of crazy that there are people in this country who don't want kids to read about the horrors of slavery and segregation but are more than happy letting them read a book that has among other things a dude bludgeoning his brother to death, tons of murder, rape, concubines, temple prostitutes, a woman seducing her late husband's brother, two chicks seducing and getting knocked up by their dad, the odd genocide or two, a king purposely getting his own loyal soldier killed because he had the hots for the guy's wife, oh and an entire book of erotic poetry. Fun times.


thenewtbaron

kids can't be learning about a kid having two dads but they HAVE to be able to read about a dude pulling out and cumming on the ground!


LavenderDay3544

Well let me tell you why a drag queen reading them a picture book is so much worse than them hearing about how the Israelites genocided this or that other tribe because their sky daddy said to. Lol.


tehmlem

And the erotic poetry is shit! Even before internet porn I couldn't get off to that garbage. Maybe it's hotter in the original language, I dunno.


LavenderDay3544

Saddam Hussein literally wrote better romance/erotica than "God" lol. If you don't believe me check [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabibah_and_the_King) out.


cpr4life8

We can't be having no book learnin'!


UnknownFirebrand

Yikes.


trebordet

There are a lot of ignorant MAGAts in Pennsylsippi.


DarthBrandon_2024

Im goin back to pennsylsippi, gonna drink some birch beer, and watch the phillies..


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WonderingHermit

This is the correct usage. There are too many ignorant MAGAs in Penssylbama. So apparently, you're wrong. Edit: you should really check before calling out someone's grammar on a reddit form. and you know, make sure you're right. hahahahaha! LMAO! [https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/grammar-rules-and-tips/rules-for-there-and-their.html](https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/grammar-rules-and-tips/rules-for-there-and-their.html) check rule 4! Not that arbitrary grammar rules should be a basis of education, and give authority to ban books. Critical thinking is far more important, and why we shouldn't ban books.


trebordet

Yeah, but at least I’m not a treasonous Trump loving MAGGOT terrorist like you probably are. There.


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One_Awareness6631

Yawn. Placing the “mentally ill” label on anyone you disagree with is so 2016. Don’t you get bored with that practice? Six whole years….are you able to come up with some new material at all? Something that could possibly be mistaken as actual humor? Ah, right. You probably never read books at all, so you never developed the skill to be able to think independently and more importantly, creatively. Your username is giving an unhealthy preoccupation with thoughts of inappropriate interactions with children and that’s………..I’ll put it nicely….that’s just weird. You may want to stretch out, have some tea and think long and hard at that one. Here’s a hint: It’s a thing called projection and all of you on the right do it a lot with everything. In fact, if some of you projected any stronger, we would be able to see your BS on the moon. I beg you, go read a book. Or 14. Here are some suggestions: 1. Maus by Art Spiegelman 2. The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison 3. To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee 4. Out of Darkness by Ashley Hope Pérez 5. All Boys Aren’t Blue by George M. Johnson 6. The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini 7. Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson 8. George by Alex Gino 9. The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas 10. I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou 11. Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck 12. Brave New World by Aldous Huxley 13. 1984 by George Orwell 14. Amusing Ourselves to Death: public discourse in the age of show business by Neil Postman If you choose 3, please make it be Brave New World, 1984, then Amusing Ourselves to Death (these 3 offer glimpses as to what is happening in this country lately—two different theories for Brave New World and 1984) BUT, Once you finish Postman’s book, you might finally be able to understand why you are the abysmal creature you are today, and it has everything to do with the way you consume media. Hell, even your username tells me how and when you get your daily “news.” That’s how transparent you are. Alas, here are some of my favorite parts, if I may—and they all -SURPRISE-relate directly to who I can tell you are without even knowing you. Funny how literature can make people more intellectual, cerebral and extremely proficient when it comes to discernment. “A population becomes distracted by trivia, when cultural life is redefined as a perpetual round of entertainments, when serious public conversation becomes a form of baby-talk, when, in short, a people become an audience, and their public business a vaudeville act, then a nation finds itself at risk; culture-death is a clear possibility.” “What is happening here is that television is altering the meaning of 'being informed' by creating a species of information that might properly be called disinformation. I am using this word almost in the precise sense in which it is used by spies in the CIA or KGB. Disinformation does not mean false information. It means misleading information--misplace, irrelevant, fragmented or superficial information--information that creates the illusion of knowing something but which in fact leads one away from knowing. In saying this, I do not mean to imply that television news deliberately aims to deprive Americans of a coherent, contextual understanding of their world. I mean to say that when news is packaged as entertainment, that is the inevitable result. And in saying that the television news show entertains but does not inform, I am saying something far more serious than that we are being deprived of authentic information. I am saying we are losing our sense of what it means to be well informed. Ignorance is always correctable. But what shall we do if we take ignorance to be knowledge?” “all, as Huxley says someplace, Great Abbreviators, meaning that none of us has the wit to know the whole truth, the time to tell it if we believed we did, or an audience so gullible as to accept it.” “But television gives image a bad name. For on television the politician does not so much offer the audience an image of himself, as offer himself as an image of the audience. And therein lies one of the most powerful influences of the television commercial on political discourse.” “People of a television culture need “plain language” both aurally and visually, and will even go so far as to require it in some circumstances by law. The Gettysburg Address would probably have been largely incomprehensible to a 1985 audience.” “We look at the television screen and ask, in the same voracious way as the Queen in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?" We are inclined to vote for those whose personality, family life, and style, as imaged on the screen, give back a better answer than the Queen received. As Xenophanes remarked twenty-five centuries ago, men always make their gods in their own image. But to this, television politics has added a new wrinkle: Those who would be gods refashion themselves into images the viewers would have them be.” Get it yet? I doubt it but thought I’d try.


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One_Awareness6631

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trebordet

Anyone with a username like yours has mental issues.


thisoldbroad

AndI would bet all those books were banned in the Red countryside counties.


Sarkis00

There are also “shadow bans” — one local district just dismantled every library entirely. No reporting on it at all.


pekepeeps

Can’t wait for this loud minority to be forgotten and we all move on. It’s a bunch of attention seeking parents and kids. LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME DO WHAT I WANT DO WHAT I WANT


Alternative-Flan2869

Thanks to maga throwing these red herring diversions to their insurrection and legislative misogyny.


Dunn_or_what

Old teachers joke: How do you get a teenager to read a book? Ban it, then tell them where to find it. It works every time.


badgerbarthowlemeiux

Are kids even reading these books people fight about anyway?


karabo29

Lauren Bobert is smiling in her lair right now


PatientNice

I bet the people who ban books have never read them or any others for that matter.


Spirit_Falcon

I will never support censorship of ideas, but I also think that when we're talking about schools, the material they are exposed to needs to be age appropriate. On the left, we have advocates for banning books that do not reflect 21st century social values, even though they reflect the time period in which they were written. On the right, we have advocates for banning books that present information the parents may not want their children exposed to. As long as the material presented is appropriate for the ages of the children in the schools, they should not be banned in my opinion. Too much information is never a bad thing.


Twinbrosinc

I mean like. Banning books for high school is stupid


rovinchick

It is, because all that is in those books and more is available for viewing online anyway and High Schoolers are smart enough to find it. However, I'm not a fan of graphic novels like [this one ](https://mkecitywire.com/stories/619617132-milwaukee-public-library-carries-book-depicting-gay-oral-sex-among-teens-gender-queer)in school (and it is available in a local high school). If the school computers have an internet filter to not show sexually explicit content, the books should maybe follow. I mostly worry about my own kids sending dick pics and getting in trouble, when the laws around images and underage teens are not on your side. These books are fine to be in a public library though.


cpr4life8

What books are on the left's ban list?


Spirit_Falcon

To Kill a Mockingbird, Tom Sawyer, some of the Dr. Seuss books to name a few.


cpr4life8

I've not heard of anyone wanting to ban any of those books so if you could cite sources I would appreciate it. I know for certain nobody was asking for any of the Dr. Seuss books to be banned, but I do know that the family of Dr. Seuss said they were going to stop publishing certain books that they themselves found to be racially insensitive. A family decision is certainly not the same thing as people on the left asking for books to be banned.


Spirit_Falcon

https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241


cpr4life8

Okay, so that's one district and it's a story from two years ago. Care to respond to what you said about the Dr. Seuss books?


Spirit_Falcon

I already did. And that was just one example. Please do some research of your own and you will see that both sides have some issues here.


cpr4life8

K


rovinchick

Dr. Seuss voluntarily stopped publishing [6 books ](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/dr-seuss-books-cease-publication-trnd/index.html) after outcry. So there really isn't a need to ban them.


cpr4life8

The word "outcry" doesn't appear in that article and there's nothing in the article about any "outcry". But you are correct that the family chose to stop publishing them, and they've not been banned.


yeags86

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the school board doing that shit is conservative? Or are you just assuming a blue state doesn’t have red pockets?


Spirit_Falcon

In the two examples I cited, both were liberal areas. Burbank, CA and Chicago, IL. I make no assumptions.


yeags86

That doesn’t mean the school boards are liberal.


Spirit_Falcon

Chicago and Burbank? Really??!!


DarthBrandon_2024

Newsweek? Thats a bit of a tabloid isnt it? Im the opposite of right wing, and I would never agree to banning any books, especially Harper Lee. Be careful with Newsweek. its kind of a rag.


Spirit_Falcon

https://abc7chicago.com/dr-seuss-chicago-public-library-banned-books-list/10403192/


cpr4life8

From the article: "Chicago libraries are temporarily pulling six Dr. Seuss books from their shelves after Dr. Seuss Enterprises said it would stop publishing them over racist and insensitive imagery. The books are "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street," "If I Ran the Zoo," "McElligot's Pool," "On Beyond Zebra!," "Scrambled Eggs Super!" and "The Cat's Quizzer." The libraries will keep the books for reference copies until they determine a longer-term solution."


Spirit_Falcon

My point was that both sides are at work here.


cpr4life8

When there's a flood on one side and a drop of water on the other side that's not both sides.


Spirit_Falcon

Please open your eyes. The inability of both sides to see any issues with anything their own side is doing is why we are in the position we're currently in. There is room for improvement from both.


cpr4life8

K


Dark_Prism

> Dr. Seuss books Are you sure about that? I know that the people in charge of the Seuss estate pulled publication for a few of the books, but I hadn't heard of anyone banning them. Though I am also of the belief that no books should be banned, though I think some books should have warnings/forwards added to explain things like historical context, or in the case of something like Mein Kampf, the dangers of fascism.


Spirit_Falcon

I would agree with warnings, but only for context. I'm not supportive of policing thoughts.


DarthBrandon_2024

How is that "the left"? Its conservatives who want to ban those books...


Tahlwyn

Absolutely false


Spirit_Falcon

Thank you your in depth analysis.


rndljfry

There are two separate conversations going on about the curriculum and the library.


teneyk

Doesn’t matter pennsultuckeyians can’t read anyway.


jcbstm

Sad that there aren’t hard and true guidelines for librarians or school officials but I suppose that may come with time. It’s not right that anyone can throw a title into thin air and it automatically gets pulled. Yes, I agree it should be age appropriate but this has gone too far to the extreme. Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. (Paraphrasing.)


webauteur

My school banned the book **Dianetics** by L. Ron Hubbard. We are fighting to get it back on the shelves.


Kitchen-Awareness-60

Why? Just buy it for your kids if you want them to see it. I don’t understand the obsession with having a book in a specific building


webauteur

I'm joking. But a book is only really banned if nobody can get a copy.


discogeek

They list 456 bans in 9 school districts in Pennsylvania, not a mass book-ban initiative across the 500 school distracts in PA. Central York - 441 Downingtown Area School District - 3 East Stroudsburg area School District - 2 Eastern Lancaster County School District - 1 Elizabethtown Area School District - 1 Fairview School District - 1 Franklin Regional School District - 1 Kutztown Area School District - 1 North Penn School District - 3 Pennridge School District - 3 Wissahickon School District - 1 (Not sure if it's a typo in their release or I can't maths today, I count 458 and 11 district on PEN's database but they list 456 and 9 districts in their release.)