Some interesting facts about Islam's stance on the paranormal
By - Separate_Philosophy
What about black dogs? Those are demons that should be killed as well?
Jinn (demons) can shapeshift, often into black animals mainly dogs, cats, and scorpions. But we don't go around killing every black animal and black dog. If it's somewhere inexplicable and you have suspicions then ask it to leave and it should
What do you think about the many paranormal investigators, especially on Youtube? Would this be an accepted part of your religious beliefs?
Any investigation is accepted as long as its honest true work and not a hoax. I do not follow youtube for paranormal (because I don't need to) and all of it comes from personal knowledge and experience but they can be great resource as they often show true things. You would be surprised how often movies are close to reality.
Please dont limit yourselves to this post only, this post contains not even half of what we have of what you may call extraterrestrial. Theres more to explore in Islam, use youtube or watch islamic videos on jinns.
I wish you guys could read our books, you will be all heads over heals. Specially those written in arabic. Read Imam Suyuti's book on Jinns. I am 10000% sure any novel or movie made on jinns will make you rich because its the most natural and truthful when it comes to extraterrestrial and spiritual stuff.
There is a jinn who witnessed the very first murder on the earth, cain killing able. He is mentioned in our books with authentic chain going from us to the last Prophet pbuh of Islam.
Jinns possessions, classes of jinns, people from the 3rd-4th century marrying jinns. Most of these stuff happened around muslims, so its better to read Islamic history books, they mostly contain chain of transmissions which means it can not just be thrown away.
Did the prophet Isa, peace be upon him, deal with djinns too?
I am not sure about that but Sulaiman\[Solomon\](As) used to deal with DJinns. Jesus \[Isa\] (Pbuh) used to have supernatural powers though granted by God.
This was very interesting. Thanks for sharing! I honestly love hearing about different religions.
I didn't know any of this. Really appreciate that you took the time to write this out and share!
Can spirits roam Earth and be around us? I've read plently of posts about relatives "visiting" after death, but how can we know that they aren't just Jinns just pretending?
We dont believe in ghosts or spirts of humans, once human die they soul dont linger on earth they go to a place call barzakh. jinns are seprate entitys and they are what some people call "ghosts" when something paranormal happens
and how is that?
Whats the evil eye? How do we make sure we dont do it unintentionally? And what effects would it have on the victims?
By not having I’ll feelings towards people. For example don’t feel jealous if your neighbour has a nice car or has nice hair
In your head if you wish that his car broke down or his wife cheated on him or left him. You’re causing evil eye on them and Muslims aren’t allowed to do this
Wow, Hindus believe in the same evil eye thing too
I wish you’ll never get wealthy and buy an island. 👁😈
Aren't the Djinn known for trolling humans out of spite because they consider themselves the superior beings created by god?
They can troll human because their invisibility and do some psychologically fearsome drama but once they physically materialise they could be captured and even be killed.
It actually they fear humans.
Take an example a ghostbusters when they enter a haunted place the jinn try to scare them by making sounds or moving things or even shapeshift to a scary creature but from a distance not near the adventurers because they fear to get caught or hit by the human. Even in a distance when the ghostbuster run to it they runaway and disappear.
As the ancient said, to overcome jinn ( or any names in many cultures) one need a strong brave heart.
When I hear about a ghostbusters entering a haunted place, I think of the Sedgewick Hotel where they encountered Slimer. Is Slimer a Djinn? Is that what you are saying? Is Slimer a good Djinn or a bad Djinn?
I do not know about the second part, but yes they are extremely mischievous creatures.
Omg this post was so interesting. Thank you for sharing. 🥰🥰
Thank you for the cultural insight. Its very similar actually with the good and bad characteristics of the djinns. Its nice to know that we have so much in common when it comes to the paranormal and can feel the presences and spirits to. I never thought it would be exclusive to one culture to begin with because its very real to me. Always has been. Its an interesting concept that Id never considered though. Something else to pay attention to. Thank you again for this interesting information. Stay safe.
Also in Islam we believe that jinns in the past could spy on angels, angels had information about things from God and the jinns used these information to go to “fortune tellers” and “magicians” to tell them about what they heard
When Muhammad was sent, God closed this door from the jinns and they could no longer hear what the angels were saying
This is why in history books magicians and fortune tellers were more common in the past because they actually got somewhat real information from angels.
It’s a late response I know but these days some fortune tellers still use djinns but not like this. They made something up like you’ll trip and broke your foot then uses djinns to make that happen.
That second pic is creepy...
It's like he wanted to be seen...
Thanks for your post. It was only in recent years that I was able to determine the kind of being(s) lurking in my childhood home. When I'd tell people of my experiences from this home, most often others would assume I was lying or this was my imagination. Some might tell me a ghost. Which I'd interpret to be the spirit of a dead human being. Though he was capable of doing the unnatural. One time he appeared void of his body below the collar bone. He flew through the air and spoke a foreign language that my mother replied back to in this language in her sleep. Other times he appeared in full body. He spoke fluent English as well. He was capable of physically interacting(touching.) There was also one night where I witnessed a shadow peek into the doorway of my bedroom. There were also dreams where he showed up. Which I now know was beyond mere coincidence.
For a long time I buried my experiences because of the negative reactions received from most people. I even doubted myself since these experiences happened so long ago and I never saw him again.
It was through discovering that "shadow people" were seen by others that made me more curious as to other peoples' experiences and who they were. I came across Rosemary Guiley's lectures and presentations which I found made sense of my experiences. The combination of what she had said and also shown eliminated all doubt as to the kind of entity he was.
Thank you for this.
Lou Elizondo said before he left the Pentagon and the ATIP program he was told by one of his superiors that the ET’s were “demonic”...
New York Post April 30 2021 12:29 pm Video top of page.
A Google search of that info does nothing, the page didn't have the video.
See above and look...
Above where? Your post referencing a NY Post article doesn't show anything. There is nothing related to what your talking about on the page that came up. Maybe post a link?
On the aliens part, I read somewhere that some Muslims believed there are seven earths each with their own Noah, Jesus and Muhammad which implies humans in other worlds.
Its not like seven earths its more like seven dimensions. And no they dont have their own Muhammed (s.a.v.) there was only 1 Muhammed and he was sent to all Humans and Djhins
muslim here ,i don't think so
Well I read it in this link: https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=65&verse=8&to=12
Any version says the same. Just different wording - “ My People are destroyed for lack of Knowledge “
The so called “ aliens “ & “ ghosts” out there, portraying our dead relatives are indeed all One in the same - Demons 👽💀☠️.they disguise themselves as many different entities to deceive the masses & it has sure worked! ( I think even the black eyed kids).The dead do not linger around & walk the earth. Once we die we face judgment & can no longer communicate with the living,,& I know I’ll get Crap for this like usual , but beware when playing the Ouija & seances where people think they’re talking to the dead.. talking about entities going thru a filter to where we see them reminds me of the reason why, after decades & decades nobody has ever managed to catch a Bigfoot or the ones responsible for all the cattle mutilations,,( nobody has Ever been arrested, relating to this). making them indeed sound like paranormal creatures involved & they go in & out of different dimensions & sometimes just disappear in front of people ( with the Bigfoot phenomenon anyway)And with the animal mutilations it’s always the same creepy circumstances that can no way be done by humans or animal predators. And wild animals never go near the carcass 🤔
Is all of this tradition and true for people of the Middle East. I know the Middle east does not equal Muslim but my uncle is from Iran (Persia) he seems a lot different then a lot of the other middle easterns. I have had friends from Syria, Afghanistan and Egypt and he has opinions on all of them. (hint Afghanistan he dislikes the most calls them a country of Bandits.)
What I have written is fundamental to Islam, It is prevalent everywhere in the Islamic world, you can literally see comments below from Indonesia which is a paranormal hotspot.
Me & Mines are as thick as Thieves
Those Afghanistan's must be a tight bunch
So is yours
Well at least muslims are smart enough to believe in the Djinn.🔥🔥seeing as a lot of people here (America) don’t seem to believe in Anything whatsoever. This younger generation anyway. Like- God, angels, demons, Heaven or Hell.. etc..🤦🏼♀️they need to Wake up! & they call us that believe in these things stupid & stuck back in the dark ages & say things like ,”why do we believe in some invisible sky daddy? “Crap like that. Well to me They don’t sound too smart if they don’t believe in any of that.. When we were in Turkey 🇹🇷 in the 80’s there were evil eyes Everywhere you look! 🧿🧿
The younger generation does believe in a lot of spiritual things. And as we grow older, spiritual conversations are becoming more commonplace. You might have been raised in a time and place where spiritual discussion was frequent - young Americans spent much of their lives in classrooms far from any spiritual discussion. We are all going through this life picking up things to learn and building upon our ideas and values. Just like you do not appreciate people thinking spiritual individuals are “stuck in the dark ages”, it is not the best mindset to think of an entire generation as so unfortunate, or “stupid.” We all can learn from each other. Also - saying that at least a group of people is “smart enough” for something implies you do not think very highly of that group’s intelligence.
Sorry you thought I was implying that the group of people mentioned aren’t very smart,, . Not my intention 🤦🏼♀️Just the Opposite in fact..that they are smart & have common sense
I see what you mean! I think i was just reading it wrong, you know how communication over text is tough! But I hope you understand my response was only to share my own perspective of the younger generation:) enjoy your day!
Please do not judge us for that comment, I totally get your comment about the current problem with 1st world countries not having a grasp on reality. It is how they are being brought up. Not your fault but hey, good luck brother/sister. It is for people like you that I made this post so they would gain more knowledge. Peace brother/sister.
Who are you commenting to that is judging muslims? And that you wrote this for “ people like You?”
I rest my case 😒,, no suprise at the votes
Thank you very much. I am very interested in learning more. .if you don't need the metals feel free to pass some this way. LOL. Peace
If you want to learn more about the exorcism part. My father in law had to do one and the man who did it before him made the couple pay him a lot of money. This actually fueled the Djinn harming her and caused there to be a need of two men (my father in law and his friend) performing the exorcism.
The frauds who make you pay can really strength the Djinn with their greed it’s terrifying
most real exorcist do it for very little money or free IN THE NAME ON ALLAH
exactly, my FIL and his friend did it for free. You shouldn’t have to pay if something that bad is happening you know?
Very cool and interesting. Thanks for sharing! I love to learn about other cultures
Me too 😇Love geography
Geography does not equal culture buddy
Ohh Gee 🙄my Bad.. I like learning about both of them equally.. Is that better?!
Thank you for this! I’m always really interested to hear about paranormal beliefs from other cultures.
I always understood "smokeless fire" to mean "plasma".
Might be! No objection! We do not know the true nature but it is fine to throw logical hypothesis.
Do you know if the ghost is female they don't allow it to drive a car?
Did you know if the ghost is female they bury it up to its neck and crack rocks on its face?
I have never heard of it but I hope you are not trolling as it seems you refer to punishment in our religion? Again, I am not debating religion here.
Honestly I’m kind of weirded by how you refer to it as « our » religion though. No trolling
Just forget it, just converting thoughts when typing is kind of hard sometimes.
Yeah he’s just being disrespectful but its kinda funny lol
Edit; i mean its funny how much of an asshole he is loll
Oh yes, 100%. There is an authentic Hadith that says that Djinns love to shapeshift as dogs and serpents. I am pretty sure dogman sightings are 100% Djinn. It matches so easily. Also, their morphing capability is flawed I think. I know for sure that backward-facing feet is a common theme for Djinns trying to morph to human form(very common in our region).
Ohhh I Love the Dogmen stories! 🤗from YouTube channel- “ Dogman encounters” .. very Horrific what people experience! .theyre description reminds me of the Egyptian Anubis Who was keeper of the dead or underworld & I hear that a lot of Dogman sightings are near cemeteries or native grounds & People say they are extremely Fast 💨 & Just scale a high fence or road in a flash..& a lot thought it would definitely kill them but luckily they don’t
exactly, hadiths and even stories from the prophet's time (p.b.u.h). I mentioned in a reply that their morphing is always flawed but I hadn't heard about the last part. it's pretty interesting. my grandparents told me lots of stories from their childhood and younger years so I've always been curious (despite this curiousity not necessarily being the best thing).
Have you read or heard of the work of Reza Negarastani, particularly 'Cyclonopedia'? If so, what is your insight into the authors stance on Islamic occultism?
Thanks for sharing OP.
Everything I have said here is unguided, unbiased personal life experience and knowledge since birth. You just got insight into our culture/religion.
I have not heard of his work but it seems interesting, I will look into it.
Thats so interesting! I've long been interested in the subject of djinns, but hadn't heard that they aren't all evil. If anyone could point me towards a resource or could tell me more I'd really appreciate it!
Also, thanks for sharing your thoughts and faith :)
There is a muslim youtube channel called- The merciful servant. It will give you a very basic but good idea about Djinns. They have a playlist there. Most of the information there is quite accurate.
Just type Djinn merciful servant I guess, and the youtube algorithm will do its work.
Thanks! I will definitely check out that channel. (Sorry for the slow response)
Not op but there is a great podcast called the hidden djinn that was super good
Where can I find it?
>the hidden djinn
Thanks for this.
Do you believe in just plain ghosts? People that died and don’t know it? Or are all entities not human considered evil?
Very hard to tell, it is said that spirits are bounded to the place they die and do roam around their grave area. Whatever is said,it is quite vague, there is still a lot we have not been notified about even the Prophet himself said that God did not reveal a lot of things to him. But it is very very common that Djinns often mimic suicide victims. Sometimes it feels like a spirit but it is actually a demon. You know the movie Annabelle where the girl thinks it is her father's spirit when in fact it was a demon? That is closer to reality than you think
Oh I absolutely agree!!! Demons usually represent themselves as children. Yes absolutely!
Quran is fantasy fiction, albeit a bad one.
I like that, denial
I was just writing about an experience my son had when he was 6. Someone suggested it sounds like Djinn. I wrote about it here https://www.reddit.com/r/Missing411/comments/nsa3xn/my_6_year_old_son_described_many_of_the_same/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
There are some interesting similarities. I’ve never heard about them before. I don’t know what they would be doing in our back yard, but I thought it would be worth sharing.
Yes 100% Djinn, I hope he is ok now,that is what matters.
He had issue growing up in school in Florida. He is thriving in Washington now though, straight A’s, friends, team sports the whole 9!
These demons are interdimensional beings , they can take over your soul via what we know as anxieties or depression. Taking control of your free will without you noticing. Anger, and sadness radiates a lot of energy, you've ever been around someone that's really down on their luck? You can feel that shit.
It's much more complicated than that though, something I want to understand at some point.
Protect your mental health.
These beings feed off of negative energy humans radiate.
What makes you think this? Not disagreeing, just wondering more about your opinion or insight.
yes agree 100%
I’ve been hoping that someone would post this information and YouTube channel recommendations about Djinns. I sometimes have encountered them attached to soldiers who have been deployed to the Middle East. Thank you!
Type in merciful servant on YouTube, and add jinns and you’ll find a lot about them, they explain it in quite details
How did you encounter them? You saw them??
Look up videos by Rosemary Ellen Guiley.
She's done a lot of research.
I will look into it,thank you.
This was a very lovely and informative read, thanks!!
I have a question though: I’ve never fully understood the evil eye? I thought it was bad, but there’s also the evil eye jewelry (emoji for ref “🧿”)
If the jewelry repels the evil eye for its wearer, isn’t that just yet another eye looking at someone else?
Evil eye is known as Nazar. The evil eye symbol you attached above actually has no significance in Islam and as Muslims believing in anyway that it wards off the evil eye is considered a Shrik (associating partners to Allah) which is one of the biggest sins in Islam and can even take you out of the fold of Islam.
To clarify, nazar or evil eye is simply explained as viewing happy, good or even common moments, events or anything of the sort with jealously. For example, I get married. A friend of mine, thou they may be happy for me, feels envious over the fact that I’ve been able to settle down and they’re still havent. This can cause nazar. Which is why a lot of Muslims keep a lot of their personal lives private. Anyone can give nazar, like I said it depends on the person. There are those who do it intentionally, with the intent of harm while there are others who feel the normal human emotion of envy and while feeling this still hope the best for you. In Islam, this symbol means nothing and the cure to Nazar is seeking refuge in Allah and recitation of specific chapters from the Quran and also praising Allah when we see good things or hear of good news.
Wow, thank you so much for this detailed response!! This makes a lot of sense and thanks to you I finally understand!
lol. "Islam's stance" is completely different than "Majority of Islam's stance".
This is nice stuff, and can be found in many fringes (in all spectrums) of religion.
loved reading this - - thanks
Thanks for this post it’s always cool to see other faiths’ view on the supernatural.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. I rejected a belief in the devil in my early teens and am atheist now. However, I share the belief that demons (and angels) have levels. There’s just no one big boss making things happen on either side (good/evil).
Thank you for this information. I was raised Buddhist (very orthodox way) but now I'm not really religious or spiritual. However, that doesn't mean I doubt the paranormal. My mother is extremely religious and she probably believes in things like Jinn and similar things in the Buddhist/East Asian context. I've been spooked by a lot of things during my childhood but it didn't scare me as much as I was fascinated.
Me, well, I am a graduate student in physics and I aim for PhD. It's a looooong stretch, but I want to study the paranormal in terms of physics one day, but only as a hobby (since no academic institute will ever support this). I'll probably never figure it out in my lifetime but it'll be fun nonetheless.
If I ever go "hunting" one day, I'll make sure to run towards the paranormal, not away from it. I despise these ghost or demon videos on youtube so much because they supposedly capture a ghost or a demon in the video but they turn and run away, or let fear take over. Fuck me, I'll literally be running *towards* it because I'm more fascinated than I'm scared and I want to capture some evidence.
Good luck with your studies. I am currently in my university 4th year doing thesis.
Thank you very much for posting this! I would love to hear a more thorough post on the subject. Also, are there any writings that name high ranking Djinn? Or that explain how to tell the good from the bad?
This sounds a lot like the basic understanding an Indonesian person has about Djinn.
Well Indonesia has the highest Muslim population, so yeah I'll say it's pretty widespread.
The islamic part kinda shed a new light into the paranormal activity in Indonesia, because I'd say for the most part, despite the very active black magic community in Indonesia, it's quite secretive and unknown. So people lack knowledge in how to protect themselves against those things, and I think that's where Islam or other religion comes in.
Have you seen one? Especially one that was part animal? Also, where did you obtain your knowledge of this?
Interested in the stories as well.... ty
I’ve experienced one and seen a few of you want to know let me know
Thank you for posting this. I try to learn as much as I can from other cultures and religions. Thank you, friend for this information.
A lady replied to me and gave me a link to the story of the Prophet who had been afflicted by a curse of witchcraft:
‘Iyaad said: Thus it is clear that the witchcraft prevailed over his body and physical faculties, not over his discernment and beliefs… "
This is further reason why I belief that Jesus Christ our Lord was truly the Son of God and sits in Heaven at the right hand of God. Although Jesus had been tempted by Satan, Jesus knew how to repel Satan and his demons, and was never ever under the influence of Witchcraft or anything evil.
Jesus spent 40 days and nights in the Judaean desert and was tempted by Satan three times and was able to reject the temptation. Jesus said "Get thee behind me, Satan!" He was able to reject and dismiss all evil influence over his person. Blessed Be Jesus, Our Savior and Lord.
I am not debating about your religion here. This is a paranormal sub.
A jinn isnt necessarily a demon, jinns are both good and bad. They’re very divorced from demon folklore
However, there’s a saying in Islam, “the kindest djinn equals to the worst of human.”
They are not to be trifled and trusted in any way.
Thats what he said
Jinns don’t have any relation with demons tho that’s what I was saying
"A Jinn isn't necessarily a demon"
"Jinns don't have any relation with demons"
Which one are you saying? This also seems like splitting hairs here.
It’s an entirely different mythos with a lot of commonality, jinn are human like creatures hidden from our view than have some supernatural abilities. They were made from fire while we were made from clay. Some of them are good, some of them are evil depending on whether they follow God or Satan. For us Satan was a jinn who was elevated to the rank of an angel due to his devout worship, but when he rebelled against Allah due to Adam(AS) he was thrown out. Angels are a completely seperate entity, Satan wasn’t an angel. So there’s crossover(which is usually the case for Abrahamic religions) but they’re not the same thing. An evil jinn is the closest thing we’d have to a demon but not all of them are evil. I hope this makes more sense?
Just wondering, are you of Christian belief?
Nope I’m Muslim (hence all the for us)
Ok thank u
The arab ghothunters on youtube are hilarious. Charging round abandoned buildings shouting 'Bizmallah!!!' and kicking in doors. And at least they tend to run *toward* the ghosts rather than away, like most western 'ghosthunters'.
I've never seen one of these videos, but do they ever sit down and have some Indomie in those buildings. Maybe the ghosts will enjoy those noodles as much as the hunters.
I noticed that also. The Asian ghost hunters don't run either.
You'd think after 10 years Zak would be used to it by now
I think those are for the memes haha, just watch it for fun.
Edit: I do not watch them, they might be true but you know, it is a production, so keep your bullshit meter up haha.
I have always been super fascinated by the djinn in middle eastern culture. Western culture (to my knowledge) doesn’t really have an equivalent. And whenever I try to tell people about it, their first thought is genies from lamps that grant three wishes.
I would definitely love to know more about the evil eye though. That’s something I’ve never heard before
Oh! The op didn’t state that it wasn’t in Western culture. Perhaps that’s why I didn’t know about it.
It’s actually very interesting to me that it isn’t. Almost as if the prominent powers (religions or otherwise) involved wanted to stop us from knowing about it. Because there’s historically been beliefs about “demons” etc. by “witches” and the like, but the histories I’ve read about spread of Christianity throughout the western world (just an example) seem to discourage knowledge of these things. Also most churches I went to as a kid (raised Southern baptist) taught fire and brimstone but if you dared say you saw a demon, they said you were evil AF.
Once again, just a thought, and based mainly on the things I’ve studies and experiences I’ve had.
Edit: there’s a book I haven’t finished but I really like called The Vengeful Djinn
Thank u for response. It’s weird that they would want to keep it a secret, or either their ignorant, from people. I just think all religions should be informed. I know I believe there is a negative entity I call evil spirits. And, there are ones that don’t cause harm, but are just kind of silly. I suppose they’re not evil. But, this is the first I’ve really read about djinns.
Yes. I’m glad you pointed out the possibility of some possible bad entities could save your life, as well. My experience believes it to be possible, too. I’ve just never heard someone say it. It’s good that we all voice things so we can learn, as well as relate.
In my experiences, there’s evil ones, mischievous ones, benign ones (basically just exist but don’t do anything that affects you), and I suppose there’s good ones bc there’s many times I should’ve died that I didn’t. Although, given my outlook on how tiring life is (not suicidal, don’t worry), maybe entities that have saved my life are actually bad...? Idk..
Honestly, at the end of the day I don’t think anyone knows anything for sure really. We’re just operating in persistently convincing realities.
On YouTube go to Merciful Servants channel there’s a whole playlist on the Jinn :)
Thank you. This is an informative and welcome post.
Super fascinating, thanks for taking the time to explain these things :) I appreciate you.
This is sharing knowledge. You can research it yourself. If you’re not interested move on
Where exactly was I promoting? It is experience and knowledge from a different culture/religion sent to your computer screen.
I have actually previously written in great detail in another subreddit but yes, I will write a big post about my experience when I get time (University 4th year).
People do not like to read old posts so I will write freshly in this subreddit soon.
I don’t mean this to be rude, but this all reads like one more fairy tale. I wish I had more beliefs, but I just can’t. This particular post sounds like someone talking about lord of the rings. Of course there’s more to it than that, but I’m staying brief.
Edit: downvoting is disappointing. Looking for intelligent conversation, but I guess I’m just getting reaction. I’m not an argumentative person, just someone who hopes to explore as much knowledge as I can. Hope others who feel this way can reach out to counteract the needless sensitivity I’ve been shown here. Much love.
Read through this comment thread and I don't disagree however, let's not get too black and white. We are constantly learning new things about old things we've taken for granted. Ask an example, hot water freezing faster than cold water phenomenon-weve been studying chemistry for how many centuries, we teach primary school kids the water cycle as fact. We have an enormous reach with technology, with AI development and Quantum computer-light being waves and Particles and having no idea why one moment light is a wavelength and then for seeming no reason. I mean, there are theories but we don't firm x will cause y 100% with it.
There are things which happen which have no apparent logical, rational, or even scientific explaination. Now, it could just be the "Give Caesar a Smart Phone and he'll declare magic is real", where we are just so incredibly ignorant we fall on to the caveman's answer "The gods did it". Or we tell fairy tales in order to place actual Events into some frame of understanding, but just because theirs a hobbit doesn't mean someone didn't go mad with power and try to destroy all that every thought of as good. Just because we say, "The Elves went to war" doesn't mean a war didn't happen or that there was a mightily different culture of people who were tall, graceful, and strangely philosophical about things. Terms and Labels change over time; it's not the ancestors which made the apple hit him in the head, it was gravity. But whether it was the Ancestors or Gravity, dude got hit in the head a damn apple, right?
You use the term "fairy tale" with what looks like a lot of contextual derision in a sub which I think is more along the line "should we call it gravity or ancestors or something else" because I think vast majority of people on this sub agree that Things Do Happen but we're not sure how to label those things.
I don't understand the proof question. there are many things we don't have "proof" of, just the word of people in whom we exhibit some level of trust (living or dead) - - we literally have their word and evidence that people we trust have found. faith is no different... we believe the word of people we trust, and it is supported by evidence that people WE trust have found. Just because you don't believe it or it sounds ludicrous does not necessarily make it false.
This is a great comment and totally true. I can’t be an expert in every field and therefore have to heavily rely on those I consider trustworthy for most of my knowledge sources.
My response in regards to these types of topics is that no one I’ve come across has proven themselves to be reliable who shares these beliefs of “ranked demons” etc. And the number of people who believe it doesn’t make it true either.
These “ancient” beliefs have often been proven incorrect. As much of our current beliefs will be in years to come. But that’s the excitement of life and procreation. I’ll stop there cuz I know this is long.
perhaps the presuppositions you bring to the table cause you to question... as opposed to, say, the word of a neurobiologist who is widely respected in his or her field.
this is an argument which begs the question, who helps you decide who is or isn't trustworthy? our society is much more inclined to believe in things that are named and categorized. things that aren't named or categorized are not necessarily untrustworthy, instead it is the time and place in which we live that tells us who is a reliable source.
haha. this is not a philosophy class. but I do enjoy the discourse. and I didn't give you a downvote, so cheers! 😬
Haha I enjoy it too. I’m interested in the idea of things being named and categorized and that making them more trustworthy. You’ve given me something to think on tonight. :) thank you!
If you were truly intelligent you would acknowledge that this is ancient knowledge that is being shared with you
What’s so special about ancient knowledge? We’ve proven it wrong continually as we evolve. Also, why attack me and my intelligence? We don’t know each other. And I’m not attacking this person’s beliefs. I’m sharing my personal response to it.
Your personal response has no substance to it. There is nothing that has proven this to be wrong info. In fact this field is not studied properly scientifically. Yet all the unofficial paranormal studies to date prove this info is correct. It makes sense. What gives you the authority to discredit it?
Its no more or less a fairytale then your particular religion or belief in the paranormal, there's a chance they are all just different interpretations of the same shared history we all have
I believe they’re all fairy tales and we have no proof of any of this. Edit: I’d like to add to this. I’m fascinated and hopeful that there’s more. But I’m here seeking proof and haven’t yet found it.
You probably won’t get any proof until you experience it yourself and even then you’ll question your own experience and perception. I’m convinced that there were scientists who witnessed phenomenon during seances in the early part of the 20th century. Some of their experiments were very well controlled.
I was in a situation where I witnessed a unexplainable manifestation called transfiguration during a conversation with a person in down town Phoenix on a sidewalk in broad daylight. I was not the only one who saw it and I could actually feel what I thought was electrical energy being drawn from own face as the physical features of the speaker changed to the being who was conveying the information. It was as if a new completely different face was formed over the person in front of me. Even the eye color went from light blue to almost black. This happened spontaneously when I was talking with a person I later came to know as a Medium. It was unsolicited and one of the most surprising experiences of my life. Of course I didn’t whip out a cell phone and take a picture so I could prove it to somebody but I know it happened. I just don’t know how it happened.
It just reaffirmed my own understanding of there being more to this existence than meets the eye which I suspect is pretty much in line with what you are looking for.
I respect your experience and am trying to figure out in my own mind how I could be convinced of this.
I always respect people who are open to the possibility that they’re wrong, and I’m trying to do that here, but this is way beyond my current view of reality.
I am tempted to explain it away, but won’t do that out of respect. I’ll consider what ways I could ever be convinced of something like that being true. Will get back to you :)
😂 getting downvoted on having read and studied the bible. Being well read offends you people?
…….and the Bible isn’t fairytale sounding to you?
Not sure why you’re assuming that. I think there’s plenty of fairy tales in there too.
Many people who don't believe in the Bible, are that way *because* they actually read the Bible. That goes for most religions and their holy books.
I approach religion and holy books with great humility. Who am I to put it down? But I also have studied and found most religions (as opposed to cults) encourage questioning and strengthening of faith. I’m seeking that. So I have studied the bible extensively. Would love to learn more about the Quran. Any suggestions on books I could read to expand my knowledge?
I'm not being glib but if you want to know more about the Quran, you could always read a translation of the Quran.
I have tried but it’s too out of context for me. I don’t feel like I’m doing it justice just opening it up.
That’s absolutely fair enough. I can’t red Shakespeare without a guide explaining it.
Thank you for this! I find it very interesting. I’ve been wondering about Islam recently myself, currently a Christian but am considering becoming a revert
Or you could just think for yourself, friend.
If they're considering reverting then they're clearly thinking for themselves and doing their own research without anyone forcing them to do anything.
Right because being bombarded with religious propaganda your entire life doesn't count as "force"...
Theres a specific prayer/phrase I hear a lot in Arabic ghost hunting videos. I cant remember exactly what it is but it seems to be very common. There's the one guy who always yells "BISMILLAH!!!" In a scared tone as he kicks down a door or rushes into a room. I also like the Chinese guy who always says "f#$k your mother (Cāo nǐ mā)," apparently in that culture you are supposed to ward off spirits by being rude to them.
I know that many of these "ghost hunting" videos are fake. But, if you assume that maybe like 50% are real, the spookiest and most bizarre ones are from the Arab World or Asia. I sometimes wonder if paranormal phenomenA could be more potent in those places because of the sheer amount of time civilization has settled in those regions.
Where can one watch ghost hunting vixeos?
Bismillah simply means in the name of Allah
I'm sure I'm going to get downvoted. But doesn't the band Queen use the word Bismillah in the song Bohemian Rhapsody?
Yes, according to Genius, the lyrics are:
"Bismillah! No, we will not let you go
(Let him go) Bismillah! We will not let you go
(Let him go) Bismillah! We will not let you go"
Or that the belief in what we would call paranormal phenomena is so strong and fundamental to a lot of people over there.
history has a great influence on paranormal activity. See, for example, Afghanistan. Also some places in America hotter than other places-native burial ground? Massacres?