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Back 4 Blood party leaders can share paid DLC with squad members - if your party leader owns a paid content drop, you will be able to play that content with them" without having to purchase it yourself. This includes maps, gameplay, and campaign. "No separation. No exclusion. No split,"

Back 4 Blood party leaders can share paid DLC with squad members - if your party leader owns a paid content drop, you will be able to play that content with them" without having to purchase it yourself. This includes maps, gameplay, and campaign. "No separation. No exclusion. No split,"

konotiRedHand

Dang. Like Mario kart DS


lickmydicknipple

I don't think other players even needed to have Mario kart


konotiRedHand

Been a few years, but I believe my friend split it 7 ways with all of us...I know I for sure didn't have it


CatalystComet

Yeah I remember you’d play as a Shy Guy if you didn’t own it haha


corruptor789

Which is funny because Shy Guy is best guy so it was a win win. Free game, best character.


EpicSausage69

I remember when I was younger we would play Mario kart on the bus and I was the one who owned it. We had 8 people playing at all times. I would purposefully play Bowser because his weight made the shy guys fly across the map basically if you bumped them while using a mushroom. I bullied my friends.


ChrizTaylor

I'm sure that was because memory restrictions.


thenightwasdarkagain

Used to play Mario party DS with my nephews when we were all kids. Only one person had to have the game


mafiamasta

The best multi-player


de_STORM2

But we could only play the first 2 cup i believe.


CheesecakeMilitia

Yeah, I'm imagining people are thinking of the 3DS game. The DS cup limitation was lame as hell and likely borne of the DS only having 4MB of RAM. The 3DS had 128MB of RAM and Mario Kart 7 lets you play all the tracks off a single cart, though guests still had to play as Shy Guy


BandOfSkullz

Funny enough, Nintendo would _NEVER_ make that kind if a choice again. Good guy Nintendo is as greedy, if not greedier, than all the other companies now.


voe600

I love Nintendo but these guys literally get free passes all day… some of their practices are really questionable


Diiiiirty

You mean re-releasing the same games for every generation of console but adding nothing new to it and not even updating the graphics? Or are you referring to releasing a new platform every 3 years with barely any update or improvement to the previous platform?


AzureRathalos97

What? You could only play one grand prix cup if I recall correctly and everyone else had to play as shy guys. A better comparison would be paradox strategy games.


anewprotagonist

Absolutely love this - I can see a lot of younger players benefiting from this. I know this would’ve helped me personally as a kid, so happy others won’t be excluded.


PayasoFries

Back 4 blood...... rated E for everyone


JamesUpton87

Rated E for family friendly lyrics sung by cute furry animals.


Isitbroke57

I’ve always found the esrb rating system weird since nobody i know (myself included) be it family, friends or even classmates ever paid attention to it. My parents didn’t give a crap either. I want to know how many people actually pay attention to it…


AppleToasterr

I think it's a kind of law or something to let parents know the nature of the medium before they buy for kids, so they can make a decision. Or also just to let the user know the kind of content explicitly in the game without having to infer from the case. Some people don't like mature genres.


bloody_lumps

It's not law. The ESRB was created as a board of self regulators by the industry in the 90s because the US govt gave in to people complaining about games like Mortal Kombat and threatened to put them under govt regulation unless they self regulated. Like the MPAA movie rating system, it's not a law, but any store/theater not following the ESRB/MPAA guidelines will be essentially blacklisted


AppleToasterr

So it's not a law but kinda is but not really maybe technically either or...


bloody_lumps

Yep haha, but it's better to have control over it "ourselves" than to have the govt decide what was ok. This was before video games were protected under the first amendment. Of course nowadays other countries are prone to censorship and the actual groups of people who decide the ratings here are made up middle aged parents so they're susceptible to not being with the times in terms of content


AppleToasterr

Oh, that's a whole bigger discussion lol. I was just thinking of the customer benefitting from knowing beforehand what the content of a game is like, so they can decide not to purchase something if they're sensible to things like violence, nudity, drug reference, etc. Having it regulated to me means every company follows the same advisory format. I don't see how the gov is deciding it for us, since we're not required to show ID to purchase a game, I think it's just suggesting the kind of audience suitable. Personally I would get rid of the age number and just have the list of topics. Maybe that's what you mean by Gov deciding wants ok, when they assume what age you should be to purchase?


bloody_lumps

Yeah that's what I'm saying, the govt *doesn't* regulate it, because the esrb does. and it is designed exactly to give purchasers an idea of what kind of content is in the game, again like the movies. The only reason a store doesn't sell an M game to under 17s is backlash


AppleToasterr

Oh sorry mate I keep thinking ESRB is part of government.


OdenShard

But those same parents will buy them GTA and Mortal Kombat and CoD. They won't pay attention to the rating or ask what it's about, but they will complain about how their "little angel" was able to get and play violent games and to "think of the children". Fucking karens. This is why we can't have nice things.


InevitableDinner7831

My mom would only let me play teen games and no people vs people violence


TooLazyToBeClever

My mother. I wasn't allowed to watch pg-13 movies till I literally turned 13, so before spending the night at a friend's house she would call their parents to tell them that. It really sucked and was super embarrassing, so I mainly just didn't go anywhere. I'm pretty sure she'd still not let me watch R movies if she had a choice.


peter_the_panda

So this past year must've been like one long continuous party for her, right?


TooLazyToBeClever

I got a job and moved out right before I turned 17. I'm sure she would love this, I once got put on probation and I think it was the happiest I'd ever seen her, since "obey parental commands" was one of my juvenile probation rules lol.


noneofthemswallow

Some parents do. Usually ones that are completely unfamiliar with video games.


Sylveowon

In some places stores are forced by law to only sell games to people old enough for the rating. Seems like this isn't true for the US, but some stores might still choose to make it a company policy.


oppithian

Im 27 and GameStop still cards me when buying M rated games in California at least


OdenShard

Like that means anything when idiot parents purchase M rated games for their kids and then turn around and complain about the violence.


Tortorak

As a parent I use them to gauge what kind of content is being in the game, such as, is there graphic violence and cussing? Then I say that's Hella cool and play it myself


erichf3893

I wish I was one of these “cool kids” Had to go to a friend’s for some Halo lol


oppithian

I missed out on a lot of fun times with friends growing up because i wasnt allowed to play M-rated games


huntstheman

The ESRB gave this basketball game called NBA2k an E for everyone rating. It sounds innocent enough, but there is literally GAMBLING in the game. Like, slot machines!! You pay REAL money and earn a small percent chance to get a good player in the games multiplayer mode. The marketing is super predatory too. EA, the publisher, gives no shits about the effect this might have on children. They are the same company who published Madden (and holds a monopoly over the simulation football archetype). The scummy ass fucks are predatory assholes who want one thing: money. Even worse, the ESRB said something along the lines of “this isn’t TECHNICALLY gambling” when they’re fucking SLOT MACHINES! Watch [this video](https://youtu.be/g-BuUqsd71w) if you want to learn more, or if you don’t believe me. Fuck you ESRB. Fuck you EA. Fuck you Madden and 2k.


erichf3893

As much as I love to hate on 2k, they are a completely different company from EA lol. Take Two (2k) owns Rockstar Yes, both have insane amounts of gambling like “freemium” games, despite being paid titles


Kettembj

This is such a refreshing practice


JamesUpton87

They finally figured out they're likely to sell more DLC packs if they are exposed to it with their friends vs being forced to separate.


MB_Derpington

Segmenting your community with exclusive map packs is just a really, really dumb idea. Population numbers matter so much for the health of a multiplayer game and anything that reduces it artificially should be avoided like the plague. It also is a giant barrier for drawing in new people if they have to buy a bunch of things to get their foot in the door before even getting sold on the game. Hell, it's also a deterrent for bringing back players that have lapsed. On the bright side, it seems most companies and games understand this and don't go the hard gating route as much any more. The major exception of course being the "yearly" titles like CoD and FIFA that essentially create a giant division with each new release.


AtlasRafael

That whole first paragraph is why FFXIV is so fucking amazing. Free trial through level 60, most classes, base game plus first expansion which is easily 200+ hours, higher level players incentivized to play lower level quests so the early game won’t be dead or Dungeons for quests that don’t give anything good never filled. Shits dope yo. Edit: all classes to most classes


MB_Derpington

I agree and currently play the game. That said, there are a few weird things. If you've ever put money into the game, no more free access. Makes sense I guess but if you want to play around again in the future after pausing you're on the hook for the monthly sub cost again. No dropping back to a "free" tier, it really is a trial for your first foray and that's it. The way they handle PS4/5 is also weird as hell. I play on PC and was gonna put it on my PS5 cause it seemed worth trying. If I want to play on both PC and console I need to repurchase the whole game again for the PS5 version. Furthermore, my PS account is linked up to an account my old roommate used so we could try playing together and there is apparently no way to undo that outside getting support involved. Though, if you are new the game it is really a fantastic deal and 1-60 through Heavensward alone is a hell of a lot for free.


AtlasRafael

Oh yeah. Idk why I bought it and paid the sub from the start. I just wanted all the shit you’re locked out of I guess. I should’ve completed the trial but oh well. The whole one account to one system is the weirdest shit.


SuperbPiece

And to think that this game is a spiritual successor to Left 4 Dead 2. The game that was released one year after its predecessor despite Valve promising long-term post-release support it. I'm glad a development studio that has a passion for the franchise (different IP, I know, but we all know why that is) and aren't greedy like Valve have made this. I hope it turns out great because it'd be an enormous success for pro-consumerism in the game industry. Greedy ass Valve refuses to make sequels to popular franchises and their former studio makes a pro-consumer banger of a game sounds like a great feel good story for the industry.


BeastMaster0844

I like it. A few games have done it that I know of. Payday 2 and Killing Floor come to mind.


PretendThisIsMyName

That’s in payday 2? Well now that I think about it I don’t remember half the heists I played a few months ago compared to launch. I wish the masks were available though.


usrevenge

Payday 2 always had it but most console stuff was in 1 or 2 mega packs iirc.


k2theablam

Let's not forget the OG of multiplayer GameShare... Mario kart super circuit for the GBA. 4 friends/one cart. EZ


BeatPutinArmWreslin

I remember way back in the day when I had Halo 2 and they dropped the map pack DLC and I was able to borrow my friend’s and install it on my Xbox for free. Good times man. No sleep, but good times.


derpy_herpy

World War Z too iirc.


BestSorakaBR

It Takes Two and A Way Out. It’s so nice splitting the cost with friends you know you’ll always play with.


Damage1200

The Minecraft Dungeons game also does it.


Bokchoyk

Another refreshing practice was the GoT Legends DLC, completely unforeseen, not behind any yearly passes, deluxe/ultimate editions and also completely free.


FKDotFitzgerald

I would love it if more successful single player games just came on Twitter a month after launch like “multiplayer drops tomorrow...surprise!”


devilmaydance

The devs did the same thing with Evolve. Always thought that game was underrated and ahead of its time


Lerium

This will actually probably help sell DLC. People will be able to get a taste of it and if the content's good then people are going to want to be able to play it anytime they want.


noneofthemswallow

Or in a group of friends. Each person will only have to buy 1 dlc for everyone to enjoy. 4 different dlcs, 4 different people buying it.


Catflap_Boi

3x the loss of sales!


thessjgod

And 4x the player base!


OdenShard

It just works!


SavageNorth

It win’t help sell DLC much more but it will absolutely help sell future games from the publisher Brand Goodwill is immensely powerful in the games industry, look how many pre-orders Cyberpunk had off the back of Witcher 3


redhairetc

It would absolutely help sell DLC. Once you’ve played, experienced and enjoyed something and it becomes unavailable again, you’re more likely to take the plunge. Gamers will know what they’re missing and a smaller DLC price is just a small hurdle hop to start experiencing that content again. This is a great idea that puts the choice into the players’ hands much more than the locked content of other series. Bravo Back4Blood.


thirdcitysaint

wow this is amazing!


nihilishim

Man, I really want this game to be good


redditforgotaboutme

Just give me left 4 dead with better graphics and couch co-op and ill be happy as a clam!


Belerophon17

I don't even need top of the line graphics with every blade of grass rendered. The fact that couch co-op is not utilized more is a damned shame and unfortunately a make or break for me on this game. I don't want to sit in my living room alone with a headset on, killing zombies with complete strangers. I want to have my brother and friends come over, have some snacks and just brawl together in the same room as we joke around without everyone having to have their own TV, game, and console. Take me back to the days of OG Halo, LFD, and Twisted Metal where at least I have an option.


Zenguro

Yea, L4D is amazing. No character progression, building a weapon collection etc BS. That’s really getting on my nerves lately. As if a game isn’t worth playing if it doesn’t give you explicit hoops to jump through. If the core gameplay is fun, the rest is just pulling things down.


eihcra_jo

How do you sense that clams are happy, O wise one?


justpurple_

You DON‘T have Clam-O-Vision to see into the inner-most workings, thinkings and feelings of a clam?


eihcra_jo

No. Couldn't find it in Amazon at the time. Might've needed to check Atlantis. :/


redditforgotaboutme

When they start pooping pearls = happy.


Ehrand

Played the closed beta and it went from a must have to a not gonna bother. The card system is just plain awful and even though there wasn't any in the beta, you could see that it will be full of microtransaction.


nihilishim

I havent looked into it, whats so horrible about the cards?


SenorPoopNuggets

Magnificent


Csub

Okay, so many people are asking and I can't reply to everyone, but [yes, the game will be cross platform even in beta.](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2021/06/back_4_blood_open_beta_begins_this_august_cross-play_enabled)


SirAlex505

If they would have treated Evolve like this, it probably would have lasted so much longer 🥲


BallerMcBallerson

It really sucks the game got killed off, I absolutely loved it while it was free to play


usrevenge

Evolve was dead before it even had dlc. Wouldn't have saved the game like going f2p would have potentially saved it.


EdmondDantesInferno

I feel like part of that problem was because before the game even launched they announced that there was another like 50% content coming as paid DLC. There were 3 monsters on launch, with two more coming as paid DLC. And it was a significant number of extra hunters too. So while it might have been fair pricing over the following year, the impression that people got was that they were deliberately withholding content on launch to charge extra. That got it review bombed and a lot of bad press. In addition, the season pass didn't include all the upcoming content. If they had never announced all the upcoming content prior to launch, it might have had a more successful launch and people would have been excited to have additional content.


MisterKrayzie

On the plus side, Evolve got rat fucked for B4B to happen. Good fucking riddance. I liked Evolve, but I knew the game was doomed with their asymmetrical MP, also a full priced game, and had DLC heros. Recipe for disaster.


demonicneon

I think companies are realising it’s better to give some stuff free to ensure longevity. That way more people play and spend money on it long term rather than a 6 month burst.


QuoteGiver

That was Evolve’s plan too, though. All maps for free.


QuoteGiver

All the maps in Evolve were free anyway, there was no community splitting by DLC in the first place. You could buy skins or eventually expansion characters if you wanted to play as them.


DigitalSeaGaming

This is awesome. Does anyone know if this is going to be cross play as well? Not just generationally, but across platforms


Csub

[Apparently, luckily, yes.](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2021/06/back_4_blood_open_beta_begins_this_august_cross-play_enabled)


DigitalSeaGaming

That’s awesome, thank you!


minev1128

That's a nice addition


PLASTICA-MAN

Is this game cross-play? If this happens to all platforms too then this is great.


Csub

[Yes, seems so.](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2021/06/back_4_blood_open_beta_begins_this_august_cross-play_enabled)


PLASTICA-MAN

Nice. I hope the open beta won't be restricted to certain platforms and will be on every platform so everyone can try it.


Csub

I believe it is every platform, if you preorder it, you get to play earlier, Aug 5-9, and then everyone, even wirn no preorders can play from Aug 12-16 I think.


gkart94

So cool. Overcooked 2 has this as well !


ArsonGable2814

But is it gonna have couch co-op?


giantsmark1

They’ve said that it will not have couch co-op. I am really bummed. My wife and I love to play L4D together


ArsonGable2814

That is heart breaking.


OceanCryptographer

Wait, for real? That literally kills any interest I have in this game. L4D is one of the only games my wife plays, I was looking forward to playing B4B with her.


Zenguro

In these day and age, you gotta beed two consoles and two displays to play together 😭


demonicneon

Everyone has been talking shit about this game but I can’t wait


QuoteGiver

Absolutely, I’ve been waiting for L4D on a Sony platform for years!!


phonepotatoes

Payday2 does this, it's amazing.


sicdedworm

This is cool because there’s a bare minimum entry for your group. If they’re happy with the dlc they’ll happily pay for it too!


NishanCS

Nice! Now my friends who refuse to spend anything over 10€ on a game will be able to play dlc with me further down the line, i hope we see this trend with content continue


YungFelluh

I wish my friends were down to buy this game 😭


HiNooNDooD1544

Damn that’s actually really nice. I wish more games did this.


thegatheringmagic

Back 4 My Bros


AnalBumCovers

I can think of a lot of games that would have really benefitted from this.


AidThisFellowUser

Interesting premisse


CarlosChampion

Has it been mentioned if the game will support cross platform multiplayer


Muslimkanvict

Yes the beta was cross play.


notwicked

when was the beta?


Muslimkanvict

It was in August 2020


warbeforepeace

Was it good?


QuoteGiver

It’s an updated L4D by the L4D guys. Hell yeah it was good.


maximuffin2

That's nice, it's kinda like when a co-op game needs only one person to own it


OhthePinksanity

Reading this really makes me want to purchase this game now.


Henrito95

I’m excited to play this!


Windego_Nightmare

This is the way


ZedDoc-

*Everyone liked that*


CommunicationAlive75

Still no couch coop :(


gatemaster644

Game is not even out yet and already talking about paid dlc, gotta love the industry.


Jdoki

Golf clap Clearly we're so programmed to accept DLC that when a company does something that appears moderately not shitty and allows players to share it, we applaud. Of course this is an altruistic move by the Devs! /s How is this much different from that patent EA has, which taps into FOMO by pairing players without DLC with players who do. It's an effort to sell more DLC. "Wow! I got to use that awesome boost card / skin / weapon when I played with that player, better go buy some packs to try and get it for myself"


Q_OANN

Very similar to evolve, which I loved


pukem0n

That game died so quickly though. It would have been a hit if it would have gone to game pass and ps+ day 1.


Jandipoo

Gamepass didn't even exist when Evolve launched though.


JamesUpton87

Was a seriously underated game.


BillySaw

This is refreshing and all but the game isn't even out and is a ledt4dead successor but dlc is spoken about already?


Csub

If an online only game does not get any future content, it would die quickly, not getting any DLCs would be more worrying.


Linos_Melendi

Getting DLC is expected, and this news we got is great, but this is Turtle Rock we're talking about. Before the release of Evolve, they were hyping up about how it was "built for"DLC" before the game was even out, and we saw how that game turned out.


OdenShard

This is basically L4D 3. The difference here is that it's a coop zombie shooter where the A.I director controls how crazy the game gets. Evolve was a 4v1 asymmetrical game where if the monster was an asshole, the game would never finish


theflakker

This is absolutely great news, Just hope this sort of a buisness model works better than the normal method. So more developers can adopt it. - If its successful --- \*Fingers Crossed.


Jooelj

Well they are far from first one doing it


QuoteGiver

So has it been successful?


MadeInDetroit95

*Everybody loved that*


W00dzy87

All Wel and good but it’s gonna feel pretty bollox paying €70 when I know Xbox are getting it on gamepass.


demonicneon

Grab it on disc if you can. Always cheaper.


Blueandigo

Why can't people just let me have my hopes crushed?


D3monFight3

Aha so this game is a full priced release, with mtx such as cosmetics and DLC that includes gameplay stuff... this sounds like shit.


9C_c_combo

It's on gamepass day one if you have a PC/Xbox I guess to try it out


D3monFight3

I don't though it does seem like a perfect Gamepass game.


9C_c_combo

Agreed. I find it so hard to pay close to full price for these types of games.


ILove2EatSmellyPussy

Yeah, they overhyped it by saying that since they were the original creators of l4d, that this must be worth it... after the alpha, all that hope just sort of fizzled away. Very disappointing.


FromGermany_DE

Who would have thought?


ILove2EatSmellyPussy

It shouldn't be surprising, as I've seen the same type of thing happen before. Sadly, a ton of people will get scammed, get mad, the company will make millions, then make false promises to "fix" things with a new paid DLC or game, which also fails to deliver, and the cycle will continue.


countpuchi

Single playthrough and it will be uninstalled..


AudioElevator

Lol. Or they could just put content in the game y'all payed for without extra fees.


Maltoran

That kinda implies that the DLC will split the community if you DON'T have people in your friend circle with the DLC. Makes it sound a little like a fix to that problem, rather than a selfless act. At least that's my two cents.


buddybd

A $60 multiplayer game talking about extra content already. Fantastic.


seviothelegenda

they can shove dlcs up their ass. especially if its gonna be like payday 2


SeniorRicketts

"No separation. No exclusion. No Split." Except between other players that are not your friends... cmon man its 2021 maps as dlc are outdated


ecxetra

In the era of “free” DLC it seems like a weird move to have paid DLC like this in the first place though.


Gattsuhawk

Well now I'm really glad I bought the ultimate edition. Some pre orders are worth it lol


OdenShard

Ehh, I got the gold edition. I get the pass, minus the last bit of dlc the ultimate edition has. No big deal.


AJayG23

Well they have my preorder


SumTingIsVaryWong

Don't pre-order games... there is literally no benefit from doing so. The best thing that can happen, you just play a week earlier and don't miss anything. Worst thing? Cyberpunk situation again


sa1sash4rk

I was already in on this. This news seals the deal.


Sega_Genitals

This is almost MarioKart DS levels of wonderful!


AskinggAlesana

Would love a PS5/steam cross platform


MIKE_THE_KILLER

But will it be Cross platform?


Trojan4ever16

Fucking amazing!!!


KayForce

What about trophies?


terp_raider

no split screen is a big let-down still. The beta was decent but there were some serious balancing issues that I hope were solved


Papa_Burrito

Is it cross play


WeepingAngel_

I imagine no one knows, but any ideas on keyboard and mouse support for ps4/ps5? If its cross play its really not gonna matter for fairness.


xwulfd

i wonder what about the trophies dlc, i guess the members wont get it


zombo29

cries in COD black ops Zombies


Simspidey

This is nice, they have a similar system in Killing Floor 2 with DLC. If ANYONE in the game owns a piece of DLC, everyone in the match gets access to it.


lancer2238

That’s smart move on their part


hippyzippy

It makes sense for player base. The devs still want to get paid by the publisher. Publisher wants to keep active users for a multiplayer game. Not everyone is going to buy all the dlc. Why split your player base over new dlc content if you don't have to.


BigZoowop

That’s pretty damn dope, I wish more games would adopt this practice


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FrostyAccident0

Nothing to do with Sony and Microsoft is putting it on gamepass while you pay 70€ sooooo…


TheAfroNinja1

Sony had no input on this it's a 3rd party game.


Blayzeman

This has nothing to do with sony, feller... It's a decision made by WB.


unik41

Is it a Sony game?


SeaPotato1234

Payday 2 had the same feature and it worked very wrll so if more games are adopting it then I'm happy


DownRealBadYo

Wonderful


Chrasomatic

Will it have split screen like Left 4 Dead I wonder?


Omnipocket

Same with Stellaris, When you Host a Match the Other Players can Play with your Expansions. This is how it always should be If possible.


Beginners963

So ... like PD2?


StickyFingers845

Nice!


Salty5674

We did it Mr Stark


Victoria_Lucas

Me, the friend with no kids and who isn’t married buying all this shit up and having my homies with kids and wives play!


epicgamesbad

AND it’s on game pass. The hype is real for this game. “Left 4 Dead 3” is something I’ve been needing for a long while, and if valve won’t get their shit together and do it, I’m glad someone else is.


gamerqc

Honestly this game looks insane (in a good way). I loved me some Left 4 Dead and it's basically that with more bells and whistles. The fact you get it day one on Game Pass is a great decision too.


Crescent-IV

They does this with 4x games which is cool. PDX game i notice it with


Crackracket

Bet they will be selling those upgrade cards in packs with a random drop rate