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loolou789

People who underestimated Rob Lucci in shambles right now


rebornultra

Caught up to One Piece manga


kjm6351

Luffy really just said fuck it and jumped straight to G5


Call0013

Hmm do you think Usopp’s Dream to be a Brave Warrior of The Sea could one day lead the a Devil fruit Hito Hito no Mi, Model:Usopp Brave Warrior The Sea?


PreparationIll7792

https://youtube.com/shorts/siAYtPVHl8I?feature=share


rahmanm855

If Luffy is having an easy time, why bother wasting the effort to go into gear fifth. He should be able to destroy Lucci with a red hawk or going into Gear Four. Now Lucci is an emperor level fighter because he's lasting for a pretty good time against Luffy. Oda's powerscaling makes no sense.


Key-Lawfulness-3871

yeah, it's almost like oda didn't care or you could say luffy didn't care and use it anyway and whenever he want because he is free and not bound to anything. you see it in completely different perspective m8. it's one piece not dragonball


YardLow4198

Why he is luffy using gear 5th to deal with lucci


LowAnteater7246

If Devil Fruits are manifestations of dreams, then what does that say about Blackbeard’s devil fruit which negates other fruit powers? What wish would create a darkness fruit?


RandomlyKai

The wish of of misery towards others, let's say that the original Judas of one Piece wished that all these miracles were gone because he was the unlucky one. Like Blackbeard, he did not sleep, so he couldn't dream. And because he couldn't dream he couldn't get powers, so the way he could dream, would be not in him becoming stronger or better, but that everyone else get swallowed by the darkness since misery enjoys company. And at the end of the day, everything has its polar opposite, there was the Sun God(Joyboy) who brought joy and laughter everywhere, but Judas couldn't relate to Joyboy, so he had to take down Joyboy. But at the end of the day, if there is no joy, there can't be hate, so he had to keep Joyboy alive, while Joyboy also had to keep the evil alive, so at the end of the day, The Sun God(Luffy) and Hades(Blackbeard) need each other to keep the world in balance, hence why the world is shaking into place again now that both Gods have come back to bring back the polarity. Since, without poles, the planet can't rotate on it's axis. And by both poles being there, the rotation keeps on spinning, something Imu tried stopping. My theory on this, hope ya'll liked it.


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"Its so unfair. There is no way I can stand against these monsters, I wish if there was a way to rid them of these powers. Or to somehow absorb their power. Or atleast for me to get immune to these powers. " So in my theory it is possible, blackbeard's fruit was created as a counter to other devil fruits. In contrast Luffy's fruit was created to support their rebellious nature, to give them the freedom.


Upaaz

The wish of being able to make whatever you want disappear


Kuma_Paws_376

Not being able to fall asleep


LowAnteater7246

Which means you can’t dream, makes sense.


OperationUpbeat6224

bogard


TheCoarseHorse69

Devil's advocate and what I would like to see. People expect Kizaru to fight the Strawhats but instead he does the same as Fujitora and refuses to fight Strawhats seriously since they do something for him. This prompts Akainu to become enraged. His admirals keep failing him, Fujitora, Greenbull, and now Kizaru. He gets up out of his desk, and says he is tired of sitting around. If you want a job done, you do it yourself.


Lucky-Stuff-117

I think kizaru gonna fight zoro and Brook


MisterNotSoHandy42

We don't know the extent of the relationship between Kizaru and Sentomaru. Though considering Sentomaru calls him uncle, at the very least I think he's not gonna be happy with Lucci.


kingtoujouGGheaven

sounds like thanos


ishehraj

Is coloured version available?


DkDkSkSk183

Try colouring it yourself using adobe! haha all jokes aside, I don't think people would spend that much time colouring manga just to post it for free.


Ok_Pool3711

🤨


WhoIsRezo

A couple of things: 1) Lucci is a top 3 antagonist 2) is it any coincidence the cover arc is about MADS and now we're getting Devil Fruit lore that people somehow engineered them? I think not


frankmk

Well well an actually smart character who isn't just smart cuz the plot says he's smart? Good ol' alabasta Crocodile days. Hats off to Rob Lucci for prioritizing his targets.


joy_kingscrown

What do you guys think about Lucci power level as we know who's who is compared with him before and said he's no worse then him so i only see Lucci's awakening as an advantage over who's who and so why luffy need so much time to deal with him i mean clearly luffy's way powerful than him except for luffy's going easy on him for the way he is i don't understand why it's taking that much time to defeat him


Charieis

if Who is Who compares himself to Lucci he is not necessarily right, not every character's word is correct or is an accurate description of the world, in fact it could very well be false information, it could be a red herring, or it could refer to a previous state of affairs no longer valid


joy_kingscrown

Yeah i think so too Lucci is stronger than him with his awakened fruit


MajorRed001

"i don't understand why it's taking that much time to defeat him" Translation " I don't understand the concept of other characters being allowed to grow in strength outside of the main character." Luffy isn't going easy on him or else he wouldn't have bothered using gear 5 and Luffy barely beating Kaidou (who wasn't awakened and just fought 14 of the shows top fighters back to back) did not suddenly make him the strongest man on Earth.


ExceedinglyLonelyCat

isn't previous gear redundant with gear 5? I thought previous gears were just imitation of the real thing. Why bother now when he can just gear 5?


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MajorRed001

"It's the classic shonen recipe" You realize that Oda made 5th gear the way it is because he wanted Luffys fights to be fun again. He knew the fans wouldn't entirely like it but he didn't care because he views the general action of most modern shonen to be taken too serious and diluting the genres uniqueness. He wanted the contrast of Luffys cartoon attitude vs Kaidous seriousness in their fight. This is from his interview with shonen jump this year. So you can throw that preconceived notion out the window. You crying that an old enemy was allowed to get stronger is not because of bad writing...and if that's your definition of "bad writing" then I highly I encourage you to read other literature with words and not just pictures to broaden your literary experience.


Gimme_yourjaket

Sorry but having Lucci on the same level as a Yonkou, we're not seeing Luffy making headway. So far in the government only admirals are known to be able to clash with Yonkou in a fair fight. Progress from past foes doesn't bother me, at least when they don't blow up a whole hierarchy that shambles every well established plot point so far


joy_kingscrown

Okay so what your saying is Lucci is as strong as luffy or close to luffy in term of combat power? What confuses me is Lucci got compared to who's who, who got defeated by jinbe given Lucci's awakening i don't know what's advantage Lucci have over who's who. Obviously we don't know about Lucci's awakening abilities but i am keeping it below luffy's and we know luffy is more powerful than jinbe who defeated who's who And personally given the potential and genius of Lucci i don't mind him being on close to yonko level and I think perhaps WG have soldiers as strong as yonko's in thier ranks.


jaserjsk

I really don't like how ( **Rob Lucci's** ) regular Zoan fruit has ( **Cloud Coat** ) similar to ( L**uffy's** ) Awakened Mythical Zoan fruit. I feel like this should have been unique to ( **Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Nika** ) What is the point of calling it a ( **Mythical Zoan-type** ) if it will just look like a regular Zoan fruit ? It would have been more fitting to give the ( **Cloud Coat** ) to ( **Kaido** ) rather then ( **Rob Lucci's** )


MajorRed001

You're taking the Who's Who comparison too literally. Who's Who compared himself to Lucci in terms of assumed skill, prowess, professional trajectory and overall reputation because the context of the conversation was him lamenting over his failed marine career and blaming Nika the Sun God/Luffy for his misfortune. Lucci was still leagues above him. It's like someone saying "I was the next LeBron James...I could have rivaled Kobe!" Cause keep in mind he has not seen Rob Lucci in over 12 years, so he clings to past without knowing he's been vastly surpassed....his fruit wasn't even Awakened.


joy_kingscrown

Hmm i understand what your saying, i was a little disappointed when who's who compares himself with Lucci because i was looking forward to SH and cp0 meeting. so what do you think how strong is Lucci by the looks of it he's getting beating up he has blood in this mouth just by a single mole punch ?


MajorRed001

Well considering how 5th Gear has surprised everyone, it's understandable that Luffy is gonna command the fight early on, but it wouldn't be a shocker that an enemy eventually figures out and gets used to Luffys fighting style. I honestly don't see their fight having a conclusion, imagine it will get broken up. There's no pay off for Luffy nor a good reason to beat Lucci in a physical fight at this point, but since they both still have opposing views on the world they live in I can see a battle of morals happening instead.


joy_kingscrown

What if luffy's fruit doesn't have ability of gum but to alter the fabric, but the world principal restore themselves after luffy's contact with things, because the Nika fruit doesn't represent gum it's sun god so it should be something related to fire however the way luffy's able to change the things that he touches perhaps it's the fabric that's he's altering


Training-Insect9755

Ok. I think Sun god is a make-a-wish deity because his ability to make his imagination come true. So ancient people worshipped him. But one bad guy wished for 'blackhole' which engulfed the sun. With the help of mother nature, the sea itself who hated the sun god,they seal the sun god deep under the sea. However, they have fail since Sun god still hear the voices of the unfortunate. One day, the slaves wishes for a hero to freed them and nika is born with the sun god soul.


MajorRed001

Not plausible because Vegapunks theory says that all DFs are the result of people's wishes Nika was a hero of liberation...if he passed away then people either wished for his return or that they could do the same thing as he could. It's that simple.


Hear_Feel_THINK

The Nika devil fruit might be a manifestation from the wishes or will of D.


Training-Insect9755

Then why its called Sun god nika and not just God nika then if he is just a hero who spawn out of nowhere. He is either connected to the sun as japan had a history of worshipping the sun. Or he is related to sun wukong who is playful like nika.


MajorRed001

The concept of a Sun God is very common across several real-world cultures. Because of the sun's importance to life as a whole, most solar deities were often recognized as symbols of power and prosperity. Nika is another name for Nike, the Greek goddess of victory. The name Nika may be partly inspired by the Nika Tree, the name for the Banyan Tree in Maldives. They are closely related to the rubber plant. Banyan trees are said to be the home of the Kijimuna in Okinawa. They are mischievous childlike spirits similar in appearance to the Nika silhouette. Just because they use the word "Sun" and are playful is barebones and a stretch to make that leap, there's no one definitive source of inspiration. For example Apollo was also the God of the Sun, music, art, light, truth etc......all qualities that someone like Nika and Luffy would possess. If you're looking for any sort of major Sun Wukong reference you're looking at the wrong character....cause there's already a character who 1) Wields a size changing staff, 2) Owns a magic cloud 3) Uses lighting and 4) can make clone like illusion of themselves....take a guess as to who that could be....


Key-Lawfulness-3871

zoro able to manifest his spirit, asura into his attacksanji able to control and use fire based attackthen, pappag a talking starfish able to speak and talk like human just because he belive it enough to happen.....make soo much sense with this devil fruit is menifestation of desire revelation. goofy concept but it definetely interesting as how it's actually work


Sargent_Caboose

Why would Oda make Vegapunk’s theory a theory if not for the possibility there is more to be explained/understood?


Key-Lawfulness-3871

in order to understand devil fruit, vegapunk need to learn void century history. he didnt uncover it yet that's why what he thought of devil fruit are, are only a theory that still can't be proven yet. i mean, knowing oda he wont dump literally every detail of devil fruit in the get go like people expected.


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I am confused a little bit. I don't know where Oda is going with the current arc. I feel that he is wasting time which often leads to rushing the ending. But, it doesn't make sense to waste time with CPO vs Strawhats again.


The_Metanoia

Do you think that the current arc's story is basically "Let's have a reason to fight Lucci again?" They met Vegapunk and will have him temporarily aboard the Sunny. Vegapunk is crucial to the story. He literally says he knows too much, which is why CP0 was sent to assassinate him. We learned more about devil fruits. The connections between all this info isn't revealed yet because it's a story. If it was, then you'd feel it was rushed. Luffy and Lucci fighting is not a major battle, but sort of inevitable. CP0 has been around since Wano. I'm not sure what you're missing? There is no Strawhats vs CP0 at the moment. Just Luffy and Lucci fighting because Lucci pissed off Luffy, putting aside the consequences.


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yeah seeing lucci again is honestly super lame


newslashold

It feels a bit random to me that ruffy is able to just tap into G5 now. Is anyone else a bit confused by that, or do you maybe have an explanation? Or is it just like the usage of other gears just without setbacks (e.g., not being able to use haki after G4) ?


Buzzek

Gear Fifth is simply a Zoan transformation, so I'm not surprised it's easy to access. Not only that, we know that Awakened Zoan comes with durability and quick recovery, so I think it would be weird to have serious drawbacks here. But in the end, I think the main point of this power is that it's a "fun transformation", so storytelling-wise, Oda has all the reasons NOT to add any drawbacks to it. Oda likely wants to draw Gear Fifth rather than keeping it as a "final attack".


McClain3000

It does seem odd that it happened so fast. Luffy was already able to overcome the side-effects of gears 2-3, so I assumed he would eventually able to overcome gear 4's downsides. Idk I just can't help but think that Luffy really needed a stomp fight. Him going back and forth with Lucci just doesn't make him feel like a Yonko.


Dry_Neighborhood_738

not really, in one piece anyone who had awakened devil fruit should be able to use it afterwards. in luffys fight against kaido we see him get out of gear 5 due to exhaustion and then he was able to get back into it.


noodlenjoyer

it seems to tire him out tremendously, but he was able to jump into it during his fight with kaido. i think he just has to find the correct heartbeat to activate it.


[deleted]

Oda just confirmed that Choppers Rumble ball did in fact awaken his Zoan when he took three; when Vagapunk said most awakened Zoans overwhelm the user's mind.


MajorRed001

Oda confirmed jack shit. Nothing was said or mentioned about Choppers fruit. We've seen time and time again of science interacting with and modifying Devil Fruits. Why would the HUMAN HUMAN fruit turn someone into a monster as an awakening????????? The mental gymnastics y'all are pulling is insane.


[deleted]

Monster is a strong word; I consider it more like a giant form of a human. (Assuming Giants are genetically like humans in the one piece world) it’s not a stretch that someone awakened a devil fruit that early. If we look at the Skypia arc that introduced Haki very early on, we could consider Enel’s Buddha form (200 million volt Amaru form) his awakening. But yes, that is a theory. I’m not sure why you feel the need to doubt this so heavily when Vagapunk himself said most zoan awakenings overwhelm the users mind and the only clear, cut, and explicit scene in the anime/manga where we had entire episodes/scenes of Chopper doing exactly that; that it could be connected to one another.


MajorRed001

Enel is not an awakening. DF are all vastly different with a myriad of abilities and its clear that Awakenings of more powerful fruits have whole different effect altogether usually affecting the environment or another person. Having a different form is nothing new to DFs like Gecko Moria, Caesar Clown and Kaidou. And I can doubt 100% because there's no proof to your claim where as there's much more evidence on the otherside. We seen Marco make partial body transformations. Queen modify his Brachio forms with cybernetics. Black Maria modified her Hybrid Form too look 100% different than what it would be. And then just overall nature of Vegapunk making a way for inanimate objects being able to "eat" Zoan fruits. So again why would a fruit called the Human Human fruit make chopper turn into a monster? Because you seem to get that one of biggest aspect of his fruit was to gain Human intelligence and even Oda has said that if it were a human to eat it have no affect on them other than becoming a little more enlightened.


[deleted]

I stated that Enel’s awakening was a theory. But could you then explain why there are similarities between Choppers monster point and the Impel downs Awakened devil fruits? Just because he looks like a monster doesn’t mean that isn’t a giant form; let us not forget chopper was originally a deer that ate the human human fruit. He is half deer. Also that quote you said about Oda; he had said it in a jokingly manner.


MajorRed001

The are hardly any similarities beyond a glazed look The Jailer Beasts are brutal in attacking but they aren't mindless. They are at least intelligent and subservient enough to understand and follow commands given by the human guards. They still fear someone like Sadi. And it was never fully confirmed if they are like that because of their Awakenings or if they are boring people. Choppers losing control in the past is a man not understanding the risk in his own science experiments and letting it run loose.


[deleted]

> the jailers are brutal on attacking but aren’t mindless Kind of like Choppers monster point post time skip? And again, it doesn’t matter if they’re boring or not; they’re awakened zoan users. The first that we’ve ever seen. The only clear example besides Lucci who we just saw in the latest episode. So why would it be such a stretch that the Impel downs awakened fruits are more then just from a ‘glance’ like you What is an awakened Zoan? It seems to be a state one reaches where the user becomes in touch with the animal and can become stronger and recover faster, essentially mastering their powers. What do choppers rumble balls do? They make him stronger, faster, and his monster point in all sense becomes barbaric. Yes, there is no 100% definite proof of anyone outright saying it, but we have clear cut evidence that chopper had awakened his devil fruit. And this may just come off a little rude so I sincerely don’t mean it that way; but why do you find it so hard to believe that chopper could have? The only difference between the Impel down guards, and chopper is the ‘revival’ aspect quoted by crocodile when he spoke about them. That part would’ve been a good point to prove me wrong instead of just saying that makes no sense and that I’m wrong.


[deleted]

To add on; we even had the awakened zoans in Impel down, that wouldn’t you know resemble Choppers Monster point. It’s not a far stretch when we’ve already seen awakened zoan users not like lucci.


ALL_THE_WEIGHTS

So this would mean that Monster Point is his awakened form and he mastered it during TS


[deleted]

I could see that; considering he would've already awakened it (although forcefully). Only thing I see different is with Lucci's and Luffy's Awakened DF have that cloud behind them. But maybe that's just an aesthetic thing, or something Oda did on purpose


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Kirosh2

Please stop spamming your thread


Appropriate-Shine-53

The_F “Devil fruits are dreams and Haki is will. Combine your dreams with your will and you are unstoppable. The moral of this story?” Famazing comment and theory/inspiration


mchgst

Good thing Luffy’s dream wasn’t to become the Michelin Man


Ikeepplayingpokemon

I do like how this extension of the Devil Fruit system mirrors the themes of the series as a whole. This series about the common man's dream overcoming the shackles of the world has a magic system based around people's desires bending reality itself. Also Lucci's new design looks sick and I hope we get to see Awakened Giraffe.


Cant_Decide-A_Name

Damn, what if Rob Luccis desire ascended the Leopard fruit into Tezcatlipoca mythical zoan? His name associated with "light thief", his lust for murder and characteristics similiar to Gear 5, akin to black smoke, showcasing an ascension to godhood?


[deleted]

Well, Tezcatlipoca DOES mean “Espejo Humeante” (“Smoking mirror”). So there’s that. Also, as a curious fact, it is said that Tezcatlipoca is the direct counterpart of Quetzalcoatl, who is often referred as the white sun, and Tezcatlipoca is referred as the “black one”. Kinda cool that Luffy has white clouds and his “rival” has black clouds, just like in the myth. I don’t think Oda thought of this though… as far as I know prehispanic mythology isn’t that popular outside México and South America so this probably is just a curious (and a bit over-thought) coincidence.


Key-Lawfulness-3871

that actually make sense, if devil fruit is the desire of humanity, then it can also influenced by it's user by strong will and desire.


klintondc

Who would wish to become a jacket?


RambleRoad13

I mean, in reality many simps wish to be the bicycle seat of their favorite female celebrity. So you know


Femlix

You innocent soul have never gone into the weird fetish part of the internet, I tell you a jacket is tame. And in any way, the fruit's abilities are akin to skinsuit content.


Personal-Cap-9322

Someone who wanted to keep a loved one warm


Ggodinez4

Someone who was cold


VideoCoachTeeRev

"But i desired to have a jacket, not be a jacket" "hahahahahahaha" - mother nature.


Ggodinez4

Maybe it’s like a monkey paw kinda wish


Blacksheep57491

It’s nice to see Luffy and lucci fighting again. The people thinking lucci would get one does not make sense to me. They hyped up cp0 for arcs and arcs and arcs and seeing their leader get one shotted after all this time would suck


ChillOtters

How was cp-0 hyped up they were trashed in wano. Let alone lucci and kaku are rookies so they should be weaker than the ones on wano make sense.


Blacksheep57491

Shown in every arc since dressrosa, i’d say cp0 was pretty hyped up. They also killed my favorite character. And you seriously aren’t saying that lucci and kaku are rookies when they were literally main villains of a pre timeskip arc and almost the hardest fight luffy ever had. Like this weird complaining y’all do every fucking chapter is insane, dude called previous arc villains rookies


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GrandTOAA

The last CP0 got stand before a Yonko accepted his fate. Lucci ain't even close to them


blcsmith

You mean like Kaido did to one of them? Kaido, the yonkou. What Luffy is right now. The one that Luffy defeated, yes.


Blacksheep57491

Except he wasn’t one shotted. He fought against drake and izo previously and once he interrupted luffy and kaido fight, literally made no effort to escape and let himself be hit, like what are y’all even arguing


Rude_Election_9553

Imagine having a build up of shanks only to be one shotted.. very anti climactic very uncreative, very lame. Yes luffy took take down kaido, even kaido killed the leader of cp0.. "supposedly". Have you analyzed the situation? Like how many times luffy lost to kaido? The support he got to fight kaido etc etc. If he didn't have any of that lucci would of ate him like nothing. Guernica got in the way of a fight between luffy and kaido, many guards were down and he happened to take advantage of that and take luffy down and having kaido inadvertently win the fight cause him to to rage and blow Guernica away. And remember Guernica was fighting with Xdrake, Apoo and Izou which most likely exhausted him from his full strength right before he interferend the fight. Lucci took leadership right after that. In 1069, Cp0 claims they need permission to take on a yonko which gives me an idea that they are on somewhat on par with strengths. Nevermind causing a war like they say it's literally the fact they need permission to take on a yonko. Anyone that keeps boasting about luffy one shotting lucci really needs to sit down and actually think where things are leading. Oda wouldn't make it so obvious for one. Why bring back a character who gave luffy a hard time in the past to just be discarded. Just makes shanks, the admirals, blackbeard and imu pointless and might as well end the series. Look at dragonball as a prime example and Black Frieza


McClain3000

Your comment actually convinced me some. But I just feel like from a tone perspective Luffy needs a stomp. They just don't feel like a Yonko crew. Maybe the biggest feat of all of onepiece is Kaido one shotting Luffy, who at the time beaten Doflomingo and Katakuri. I think If I discount that heavily, by saying that it was necessary to move the story along and build up Kaido than a lot more of this starts to make sense. Because plenty of other characters fought with Kaido without getting one-shotted, Zoro, Yamato. You also have to remember it is a Yonko and his entire crew. But it looks like Oda is going to be balancing it out nicely with the seraphins, CP-0, and possibly an admiral.


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artymcparty

I’m guessing maybe the people of the ancient kingdom didn’t die and instead were turned into the devil fruits based upon their characteristics. Nika was their god/warrior who fought against Im. The ones from the kingdom who didn’t turn into fruits carry the D initial in their name. They could maybe be the Dream kingdom where all your dreams come through via the One Piece etc


[deleted]

I'm commenting here because I bet my chip this mate is right. !remindme 10 months


joy_kingscrown

Let me know if it's true after 10 month


[deleted]

Sure


Waste_Ad1462

Crazy if truee


Zestyclose_Hall7671

Big if true


Ok-Professional3062

What if Devil fruits are fruits because the original Joyboy loved fruit instead of meat (due to something we haven’t seen yet the fruit grants the power of one’s deepest wish) and wanted to share his fruit with everyone


Blacksheep57491

Indeed, he wanted to spread his seed


NotAVerySmartBean

havent watched it yet but... _nice_


joy_kingscrown

What?


RTear3

*Luffy goes Gear 5 while eating a buffet* "HOLY SHIT GUISE THAT BUFFET IS YC1++"


Nice_Strategy_9702

I think people forgot that Luffy has advanced observation Haki. For sure he foresaw Lucci’s awakened form already so he has to match it with G5 right away and get it over with.


Key-Lawfulness-3871

or.....or he just use it because he like it i mean, gear 5 is the form where he totally free right? who cares other opinion wether it's fans or even editor worrying this will make fans kinda dissapointed in someway. oda and luffy like it, so they will use whenever they feel like it regardless others opinions.


Nice_Strategy_9702

Oh yeah.. also, I thought most of us wanted more of gear 5. So here we are.. Oda gave it to us? Lol


Key-Lawfulness-3871

pretty much. it's up to luffy to decide whenever he want to use gear 5, not to us reader lmao


Economy__

but he can't see that lucci is going to murder axe guy xD


Nice_Strategy_9702

Yeah.. that one though. Im Surprised that Sentomaru was this weak. 😱Isnt he supposedto be stronger as well?


IcyInspection4791

Maybe that’s just an excuse for Luffy to go berserk next chapter.


[deleted]

He wasn't using observation because he would have seen Lucci coming for sentomaru.


Skulldelev

luffy: jimbei hold my bonney. pigeon guy dmgd my food supplier Rip Lucci next chapter must say i do like lucci his new design it looks cool. and funny to see both awakened DFs cause its bearer to have flames to qsurround them, black for lucci, white for luffy


Global_Air7498

I always had a sneaking suspicion that DFs were bound to the imagination of the user in some capacity. After all, Luffy is able to use his fruit to do a ton of wacky things that go beyond what the base ability of becoming rubber is capable of. Even King and Queen's use of their DFs implies that there is something more to a DF than what its title implies at face value.


Goldenchest

What do you mean, King and Queen simply copied the natural hunting tactics of dinosaurs from the past.


Global_Air7498

True true 😂


loerpiou

I feel like this point of view fits really well when you look at people like Kaku. The whole moment in Ennies Lobby when he was figuring out how to use his giraffe fruit and how he managed to make weird uses work out really transpires that.The devil fruits' powers definitely adapt to the personality and creativity of the user.


Radiant_Following285

how did luffy's clothes change


ShanksRam1

Same way Ace’s shorts and hat doesnt burn Zehahahahaha


Radiant_Following285

i think it's already known that in one piece devil fruit powers affect clothes but not completely change them


TrustJumpy3832

The same way Hulk's shorts don't rip appart: magic! Huahhauhuah


Initial-Exit9435

Hulk is wearing spandex


TrustJumpy3832

Huahuahuha


Training-Insect9755

Why no one dream to have a water? Is it because the mother nature already eat it?


Solos_1992

Right, very anticlimactic


branflakes14

Please don't tell me that this is the big grand explanation of devil fruits.


TrustJumpy3832

I like that VP says they are artificial. I always though that devil fruits there nothing to do with devils anyway


KathyDroronoa

It’s still a theory. I’m sure we will get all the informations on Laugh Tale.


Xhalll

Well I don't know about that. VP red all Ohara's book so it's not a theory more than a part of the truth


KathyDroronoa

Vegapunk said that this is his theory, so this isn’t a definitive conclusion.


Osjey

what would you have preferred?


branflakes14

Well we have an Adam tree, an Eve tree, and the devil's fruit. If the explanation of the fruit's existence has nothing to do with Adam and Eve or any Biblical allusions at all then honestly that's just bad writing. "lol they just exist okay??"


Lumpy-Principle2926

How will kizaru react if he sees sentomaru being hurt


PM_ME_ABSOLUTE_UNITZ

We gonnget a kizaru lore drop


DrunkUncleInTheFam

I really don’t get the point of this fight. And why is Luffy going straight to Gear 5? When Luffy fought other Yonkos for the first time they didn’t go straight to their trump cards. How come Luffy can’t display his greatness at that level.


SherCuck

To learn the form properly it is like whole different fruit.


MarsTheOmen

My guess is that gear 5 will be used a lot for the rest of the story so Oda can have the extra freedom during fights. It doesn't seem like Luffy is using advanced armament or conquerors haki so I don't think Oda is implying that this is an all out fight. Overall, the biggest Trump card still seems to be advanced haki, even though the awakening is the most recent power up


jttyrel27

Facts. How the hell is lucci holding off gear 5 Luffy. Sht pissing me off


JohnWicksBrother

I wouldn’t considered it “holding off gear 5” when Luffy is clearly not having any problems. He’s literally playing around as shown when he’s dodging Lucci’s attacks and sleeping.


jttyrel27

Luffy should be mollywhopping him rn


JohnWicksBrother

What? Luffy is not even getting hit. And Luffy seems to be using basic attacks. Wouldn’t consider punching the ground for a sneak attack a high end move. He doesn’t have to one shot him to prove that he’s way stronger. I see this as a “one-punch man” kinda fight. We know Luffy is in another class, but the Oda has to show that Lucci did get stronger or it wouldn’t be fun to read.


tiki-baha29

Ppl have responded to you with all the narrative reasons why this makes sense, the in-universe reason is that Luffy hasnt had much experience with Gear 5 and much like his other Gears - which he needed to practice a lot with so his body could get used to it - he's now doing that with Gear 5. Lucci is practice.


jttyrel27

That’s bullshit and a whole lot of assuming.


tiki-baha29

Very well put together argument sir, you nailed it. Truly a master debater. (In the future if you want to be taken seriously try not starting with a diatribe against the commenter and try to actually lay out well thought out arguments).


jttyrel27

Your whole argument is a swirl of assumptions that Oda has neither hinted at nor stated. Hence its bullshit.


tiki-baha29

It’s like ppl like you can’t learn from their experiences or read, unbelievable. Your comment says absolutely nothing of substance. But I’ll try to be patient here and ask you: could you be more specific about which part(s) in what I wrote arent in the story?


Zumthorrific

Ha, you expect these meathead powerscalers to explain to you the details of the story concerning fights, powerups, powerscaling, and all other related stuff? Good luck waiting for a thorough reply.


Comfortable_Ad_574

It looks like you are correct. Dude still haven't replied yet.


Nerdmachin

Facts lmao


Training-Insect9755

Classic luffy. Other shonen mc think and used weaker skills to examine his enemy. Luffy said fuck it, i want to show my new power


PM_ME_ABSOLUTE_UNITZ

It needed to be displayed for vegapunk to witness it and comment on it.


DrunkUncleInTheFam

I can accept this right here but I’m still not feeling it. I feel like he should be in base form handling business. But that’s just me.


Mastahyodah

People forget a story needs to be told and things need to be explained. The crew needed to know luffy doesn’t have the Gomu gomu… gives a reason to explain devil fruits and potentially awakenings etc…


branflakes14

It would've all made more sense if Egghead had happened before Wano. Luffy could've fought Lucci in G4, then Vegapunk sees the monitor and says hang on there's no rubber fruit. Then we have our foreshadowing rather than it just feeling like an asspull.


trafalgarlaw11

Yup plus if luffy could fight Kaido without advanced CoC and CoA and only G4 and make it look like he’s doing shit, lucci should be able to fight G5. It’s not like he’s actually damaging the Luffy. So long as luffy, easily off’s home next chapter now that he’s mad (similar to kaido defeating luffy the first time when he sobered up), I don’t see a problem with one fist clash. Kaido’s draw back to taking shit seriously is alcoholism, BM’s is her mental spacing out, and Luffy’s is the fact he’s goofball that doesn’t take shit serious and tendency to relax in situations he shouldn’t. All the legends have their drawbacks that require some degree of “babysitting.” It’s why Marco rejected Shanks (who’s drawn back may be his partying habits). All when mad tho, fight at a different level.


DrunkUncleInTheFam

This is a reach.


lloyddragneel

wait what? In the spoilers, they mentioned that Luffy KO'd Lucci? Did I miss it? or its a fake spoilers?


PM_ME_ABSOLUTE_UNITZ

A leaker purposely "spiced up" the fight to get the hype up lol


-FoeHammer

Yeah fake spoilers.


hawajal

Oda has handled the ‘Awakening’ concept very well, and has been slowly building up towards it. First, with the guards in Impel Down, then Doflamingo, followed by Katakuri, and finally with the three captains from the Worst Generation. People who kept arguing if Kaido had the ability or not were unbelievable. Oda would’ve 100% been more clear and revealed it like everyone else. It’s evident that both Kaido and Big Mom did not awaken their abilities.


SherCuck

He did and even used it.


Training-Insect9755

Aren't kaido awakened from a koi into dragon is same concept as luffy awakened from mere gum to god nika?


GrandTOAA

kaido ain't awakened


dking1827

bro, Kaido's fruit is Fish Fish fruit model Azure Dragon, which means that his fruit was always intended to transform him into a dragon in the beginning never a fish


Training-Insect9755

And Luffy, human human fruit model sun god nika.. His human form can only used nika properties. In awaken form his body turn into nika itself.. Look, aren't it the same concept


Zumthorrific

Luffy, as a Zoan Fruit user, is a human in his base form - just like Dalton, Pell, Chaka, Kaku, Lucci, Jabra, etc. all the way to Kaido. Nika is Luffy's awakened hybrid form.


tiki-baha29

No. No. No. The model is what is important here. The fact that its a fish fish fruit is a real life reference to a Japanese tale of a fish that climbed up river to eventually become a dragon. Kaido was never meant to be a fish, he's an Azure Dragon because thats his model and thats what matters. He never "evolved" either. - Kaku isnt a cow - Jyabura isnt a dog - etc. You're focusing on the wrong thing.


Ill-Order-5060

No not really. The whole point of kaido’s fruit is that it’s basically a cheat code. Notice how momo’s fruit has the exact same abilities, and isn’t awakened


Zumthorrific

What do you mean by "cheat code?" That all Mythical Zoan users are cheating with their fruits?


nawbs

Notice how Momo's fruit turns him pink, so it's a complete failure anyway.


Zumthorrific

? Is that a serious comment, or a meme on Vegapunk's gag?


Ill-Order-5060

Meme


Zumthorrific

My mind just kind of got numb from all these stupid powerscaling comments in this thread that I can no longer tell if someone is seriously making a stupid comment or just meme-ing.


BetaGreekLoL

Reading comprehension ain't some of y'alls strong point. In what way is Lucci matching Luffy? Use your fucking eyes; Luffy is literally toying with someone who just two years ago damn near brought him to the brink of death. Oda is illustrating the gap between the two. "How is Lucci able to solo Sentomaru"? Brothers and sisters, Lucci surprised attacked him when Sentomaru wasn't paying attention. Yes, Sentomaru was introduced as a strong character but only to demonstrate just how weak the Strawhats still were back then. Much like how Aokiji was introduced many years ago. Whats being shown here now are the Strawhats being able to contend with threats from the get go. Also, you seem to forget Lucci was introduced as a combat genius. He lives for combat, much like how Luffy does (different morals and code of ethics aside). Its not that out of the left field he was able to awaken his devil fruit. If y'all grasped that from when Green Bull was shown and how at ease the Monster Trio were when a literal fucking Admiral was on their doorstep, then surely you can see Oda doing it again with CP0. Ever since the fight with Kaido, Oda is showing just how far the Strawhats have come and their ability to deal with threats, both minor and huge. Oda fucking spells it out with Lucci acknowledging that Luffy is officially an Emperor and they aren't to engage without orders, which goes out the way because Luffy engages them once he finds out what happened to Atlas. There is a myriad of things you can complain about with One Piece, powerscaling indeed being one of them but this isn't one of those instances. Luffy is in G5 and is completely toying with Lucci, as he should. "But Luffy is an Emperor, he should be solo'ing Lucci in his base form!" When was the last time Luffy ever fought a threat, minor or major, in his base state? Even Hody Jones he used G2 IIRC. and he was arguably the weakest major villain post time skip. Bruh, even Lucci and Moria pre-timeskip solos that guy. Lucci is definitely a few tiers down the ladder in terms of combat ability post timeskip but he ain't THAT weak. The only thing that should have any of you hot is if somehow Lucci was able to use advance conqueror's haki, which he isn't and Oda VERY POINTEDLY illustrates that. He even zooms it in for us. Oda is very much aware of Luffy's status and this is just another way of showing us just how far Luffy has come.


uknownada

Why are people powerscaling based on if a character is an emperor??? Freaking Buggy is an emperor, but only by accident. Being an emperor has nothing to do with power; only how much the World Government feels threatened by you.


Osjey

luffy is even falling asleep in the panel where he dodges the attacks by grabbing his own head and moving it around


JohnWicksBrother

I agree with what everything you're saying. Luffy is toying with Lucci. Just because he's not one punching him does not mean Luffy is struggling. Although the whole zooming in thing with their clash was a reference to their first fight, panel for panel. Looks likes it might be a conquerors clash but definitely not advanced as they would not be touching fists. Luffy's probably not even bothering to use advanced.


TrustJumpy3832

Yep. It remembers me Mihawk vs Zoro. "Sorry I don't have anything smaller". Huahuhauua


trafalgarlaw11

I agree too. Luffy is not struggling. People forget how it looked when luffy was fighting Kaido the first time without ACoC or ACoA and only G4. Luffy appeared to be doing more damage than Lucci who is awakened. Lucci hasn’t even done damage. Plus, there’s a very high chance Lucci gets destroyed next chapter since Kizaru is arriving and a marine island is nearby. I’m fine with this and also creating my own head hype that zoro and brook could potentially be the first ones to clash with Kizaru and maybe we see zoro demonstrate growth or what that whole death interaction was with the reaper. Would be interesting since he is with the soul king currently


DVM11

Honestly, I've seen enough fake deaths in OP not to care about Sentomaru.


alpha_jundo

It's not even implied to be a death. Stretching that hole I see.


Zumthorrific

>Stretching that hole I see. I remember that thread of all the fakeout deaths in One Piece (in this subreddit) and the guy who created it just about listed every possible character who had a serious injury (some not even life-threatening) and counted it as a fakeout death lmao.


branflakes14

>Stretching that hole I see Maybe in the doujin.


Zumthorrific

It's obvious Sentomaru is not dying. This is not a fakeout death lol.


Kamoteyou

Yeah sentomarou just fainted because enemy uses scratch and it's super effective


BlueGlassTTV

Bruh why Kaido didn't Awaken? Edit: real answer is "cuz he was too sleepy"


lvlz3r0

And drunk


BetaGreekLoL

Thats my thing as well. When DF user awakens, Oda ALWAYS spells it out for us. ALWAYS. He didn't do so with Kaido and I don't remember if he did it with Big Mom. Perhaps we were meant to assume that because they are Emperors they always fight in their awakened states? Or does he want to save their awakenings for the war soon from now?


Xark96

Source to where it says he wasn't?


Ill-Order-5060

Source to where it says he was?


Xark96

That's the thing There isn't yet people act like it is confirmed somewhere that he isn't


Ill-Order-5060

Also there’s pretty solid evidence he wasn’t awakened given the fact that momo ate his fruit and immediately had the exact same powers as kaido, with almost no difference in form


Xark96

Lucci also uses the same abilities than pre-timeskip. What kind of argument is this supposed to be?.. Also Kaido clearly changed in design during his battle and grew stronger. So there is pretty solid evidence he was awakened.


Ill-Order-5060

Lucci’s awakened form is visually very very very different. Kaido’s design also literally never changed. He’d just switch from full beast to hybrid and back to base and showcase stronger abilities which he hadn’t used. Kaido never grew stronger during the raid. Zoan awakenings are especially visual so the fact that momo looks exactly like kaido in his full beast form is pretty much hard evidence that kaido wasn’t awakened


Xark96

Yes he literally had different facial features at the end of the fight(eyebrows like Luffy,sharper teeth and different nose), bigger stronger body and Luffy literally states his haki was getting stronger. See because of people like you I ask for source ;) As people tend to say stuff out of their mind instead of actually fact checking.. Also we haven't seen Momo in hybrid and Luffy lacks his awakening features in base form so again you don't have any argument or "hard evidence" there.


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