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This 1976 picture of David Bowie

This 1976 picture of David Bowie

Slotbenwaller

The Thin White Duke


craftyindividual

Diet: coke.


angryshib

He supposedly lived on only coke, milk, and peppers for quite some time.


promonk

Not his best look. That persona was a bit too into coke and fascism IMO.


typhoidtimmy

Granted but even Bowie admitted the Duke was ‘an absolute monster’ and he hated himself enough to literally move across the world (from LA to Berlin) to escape the life that fueled him. Couple this with a breakup with his girlfriend and Bowie was at a real breaking point, mentally. Doing this gave us the Berlin Trilogy (Low, Heroes, and Lodger) which I and a lot of people consider some of his finest and most personal works. You can hear the pain of loss and his withdrawals just echo in every note.


auntie-matter

When you're so fucked up that the apparently sane option is to move in with *Iggy fuckin' Pop* to get clean, you're a very long way down the spiral.. Nothing against Iggy, of course, and it did work out OK but fuck.. imagine being in a place where *Iggy* looks like a calming influence.


Bulthuis

...and you move to 70s' West-Berlin, a pretty grim weirdo island of the West within the communist German East.


typhoidtimmy

Granted but that weird mishmash of potential dangerous political turns and an always looming Cold War was a muse to a ton of emerging talent and tossing an established musician in its midst was the perfect salve to one such as Bowie. He got past the rock star pitfalls and started experiencing the expressionist art at the Bruke Musuem, started collecting contemporary art himself, and then opened up to the German Music Scene. He was captivated by the new sounds of talents like Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, and Tangerine Dream. For a innovator such as Bowie, it probably felt like plunging into a cold water spring after a walk through a burning desert. I hate to say it but Berlins oppression at the time was the *perfect* place and time for Bowie. It’s ominous setting inspired creativeness and burned away the fat into great works and told Bowie in its own way that the world moves differently and in doing so, kicked him in the ass and told him to go live life and explore new avenues. And because of that, we got a brilliant new chapter to appreciate from the Great Master, IMHO.


Bulthuis

Yes, that's what I meant. West Berlin was a perfect fit, an antidote for Bowie after the "lost year" he spent in LA. It was not a very nice place, but one that was cheap (because it was heavily subsidised by the West), unrestrained, inviting experimentation. There's a reason why Einstürzende Neubauten came from Berlin. Actually, many people who were part of alternative/artistic circles were quite saddened by the end of insular Berlin in 1989, because it meant the end of a unique artistic habitat.


typhoidtimmy

Totally believe it. Something about that place where you had a literal wall separating two totally different ways of living would have been a crazy place. It’s like having strange invaders sitting less than 50 feet from you and you are only able to see and wave at them and wonder if the wall came down, would they have a beer with you or kill you and eat your brain. All while having talking heads propagandizing the shit out of you to fear and hate them. That is fucking wild. A unique place and a unique time.


call_me_stimpy

Was this the environment that Mike Myers and SNL were parodying with Sprockets, Dieter, and "You may not touch my monkey"? Because it was hilarious.


typhoidtimmy

It was satire of it….and really good satire. More than a few of those types Myers was lampooning agreed it was a perfect send up of the whole movement. I remembered one was saying something about the “Germany’s Most Disturbing Home Videos” skit still cracked him up after multiple viewings because it had just enough reality in it that you would think Dieter would be showing this in some dive in Berlin as an avant-garde spectacle.


themarquetsquare

It's one of the things I always admired about him: he wasn't just an innovator himself, he also had a faultless radar for where the innovator's habitats were and managed to tie himself to them. In his later years, there was generosity in that as well, as he accelerated many a career.


typhoidtimmy

Oo yea. People were all up his ass about being this genius and rightly so in a lot of cases….but Bowie always kept to the ground and loved new stuff. I remember Henry Rollins being asked about him when he passed and Rollins let out this great story about meeting him one time and being flummoxed that David said he really enjoyed his work. He was naming songs and talking about his spoken word stuff and was blowing Henry’s mind that here was this guy who he considered royalty in the rock spectrum going on how he loved “Liar” and how much he wanted to work with him one day - David wanting to work *with him* I miss the shit outta Bowie. He just seemed like a awesome guy even without the talent.


itchybabymonkeybutt

Great things can happen when you escape LA


chowder138

Yeah, I think the decision to move to the epicenter of global current events at the time was very deliberate. It would be a little like moving to Hong Kong or Beijing today. Or moving somewhere with a lot of culture and rapid development like Mexico City.


Tyaden_tyadenovich

Well, on the other hand they had each other’s help, while being equally miserably in the tough situation rather than try to weather the storm with someone who cannot share this. I am more surprised that Iggy went aboard.


Thegoodlife93

Lol this cracked me up


itchybabymonkeybutt

Other way around, mate. He let Iggy move in w/ him…


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Mees51

Speed of life is my favorite track when it comes to Low.. such a good song


_AlreadyTaken_

It took the discipline of Kraftwerk to straighten him out


typhoidtimmy

I would give anything to watch Bowie hit upon Kraftwerk for the first time in some dingy Berlin club. Just seeing this guy whose burnt out with the highs and lows of celebrity and music and thinking he has seen it all get steamrolled by this quartet doing *Trans Europa Express* or something. The tightened stripped down beat, no flowery overtures. The epitome of German efficiency. I bet it blew his hair back.


_AlreadyTaken_

I love the story where he wanted to contact Kraftwerk and contacted their agent. He was told to call Kling Klang studio at an EXACT time. So Bowie watched the clock and then called at the exact time and he said he never heard the phone ring, it was just one of the band saying hello.


typhoidtimmy

Hahaha….it was probably like a kid on Christmas counting down the minutes to open presents.


AFlockOfTySegalls

Low and Heroes were my favorite albums for years. Then I heard Station to Station and it has been unrivaled since.


FlopsyBunny

All I can hear on those albums is post-Roxy Music, pre-Ambient Eno.I do still love them, especially Heroes. Kraftwerk, Can & other Krautrockers explored similar territory earlier with better results, IMO. I do love Bowie's work on Pop's Idiot & Zombie Birdhouse, though. He sounds like he is having crazy fun.


typhoidtimmy

Idiot is really awesome. Bowie even admitted he was using Iggy as a test subject to explore the new sound. Thankfully, I think Iggy got this and let him go to town and the album bloomed because of it. Even today, whenever “Funtime” rotates on my mix I get this smile. It’s a nutty song that sounds like a B-side off the Rocky Horror Picture Show.


FlopsyBunny

Amen. Also, Iggy's Lust For Life album is interesting because a couple songs became minor hits for Bowie, China Girl & Tonite, not to mention the sheer awesomeness of the title cut. Bowie always tipped his hats to his influences, Andy Warhol, VU,Stooges, Kraftwerk(v2 schneider is dedicated to a member) are all mentioned in his songs & their dedications. Also he & co-author/backing vocalist on "Fame" John Lennon both released albums of covers. Mine mind was blown learning "Fill Your Heart" is a note for note copy of an American version.


typhoidtimmy

Lust for Life is on my permanent rotation mix. Solid songs on the entire album. Bowie was such a sponge, he soaked up the talent around him but never just part and parceled copied. He always took a little here and there and made these great stews of albums where you hear the world around him and ID it from all these points but he paints the wonderful unique thing by the end that is pure Bowie. Some of it was heartbreaking, some of it was haunting, some thrilling….but it was always full of his soul.


FlopsyBunny

That's a damn fine description.


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NF11nathan

And yet despite his physical and mental condition at that time, he was still able to produce Station to Station. Even if he wasn’t able to remember doing so.


lpstudio2

His diet during this period was milk, raw red bell peppers, and lots of cocaine. Got down to 90lbs before cleaning himself up.


NoKittenAroundPawlyz

Still my favorite Bowie album.


RexHaxival

Because that's what that persona was about. Not he himself. Especially not after the previous color-sparkling glam looks that were all about the freedom of expression.


MangoCats

Station to Station The return of the thin white duke throwing darts in lover's eyes Here are we, one magical moment, such is the stuff From where dreams are woven Bending sound, lost in my circle, dredging the ocean Here am I, flashing no color tall in my room overlooking the ocean Here are we, one magical movement from Kether to Malkuth There are you, you drive like a demon from station to station The return of the thin white duke, throwing darts in lover's eyes The return of the thin white duke, throwing darts in lover's eyes The return of the thin white duke, making sure white stays


jeopardyman

Listening to that album, the lyrics always were secondary to the sonic textures and the arrangements for me, but standing alone those lyrics really are very good. Don’t know if I’ve fully appreciated them before. Thanks for posting


promonk

That's why I made a point to refer to the persona, not the man.


xXxLegoDuck69xXx

Bowie's behavior in the 70s shouldn't be downplayed tho. Even by the 80s/90s, Bowie admitted that he was out of his mind in the 70s. He was so high on coke, he didn't even remember recording Station to Station. He was obsessed with the occult, which led him to become fascinated by the Nazi party. In his own words: >they supposedly came to England before the war to find the Holy Grail at Glastonbury […] the complete oppression of different races completely evaded my extraordinary fucked-up nature at that particular time.


Scrotchticles

Wait what? Fascism?


IAMAGrinderman

Yeah, theres quotes about how Hitler was the first real rock star and how what Britain really needs is a fascist government to make things right. Theres also the whole seig heil thing, tho that could just be an unfortunately timed photo (according to Gary Numan).


spraythechain

> Rock stars are fascists. Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars. Think about it. Look at some of his films and see how he moved. I think he was quite as good as Jagger. It’s astounding. And boy, when he hit that stage, he worked an audience. Good God! He was no politician. He was a media artist. He used politics and theatrics and created this thing that governed and controlled the show for 12 years. The world will never see his like again. He staged a country […] People aren’t very bright, you know? They say they want freedom, but when they get the chance, they pass up Nietzsche and choose Hitler because he would march into a room to speak and music and lights would come on at strategic moments. It was rather like a rock ‘n roll concert. The kids would get very excited – girls got hot and sweaty and guys wished it was them up there. That, for me, is the rock ‘n roll experience.


in4dwin

I mean, is he wrong though? He just described the cult of personality, which Hitler absolutely used


madmaxturbator

he described cult of personality, if it was described by a very smart person on a healthy quantity of cocaine


MAG7C

Hell, it could have just as easily been said by Roger Waters just a few years later.


-rh-

He's not wrong, especially the part where the people act like enablers to the dictator/rock star, blinded by the show.


ghombie

Its a brutally over simplified comparison. It comes of like twisted nihilistic crap to me.


Scrotchticles

He's not wrong and he's not glorifying fascism though, he's saying to hold a crowd like that is exhilarating and impressive to watch happen.


Kyudojin

I can taste the coke reading this.


xitzengyigglz

Pink floyd agrees based on the film The Wall


t-bone_malone

...I mean....


scisrock

The picture was taken out of context by an opportunist reporter. Bowie immediately refuted it and multiple first hand accounts stated Bowie was only waving at fans. As for his hitler comments he walked them back later on stating he was out of his mind and abusing large amounts of cocaine.


IAMAGrinderman

I know he walked it back p strongly (interviews over the years where he denounced it, the whole MTV not playing black artists thing, a few Tin Machine songs), but I didn't think to mention it. I was just trying to quickly explain the fascism thing during his Thin White Duke phase and didn't bother to elaborate. Good catch tho.


Jwishh

He was also dating a black woman during his thin white Duke phase if that means anything


IAMAGrinderman

He was always dating, hanging out with, or had non-white people in his band too. Shit, he pretty much saved Lou Reeds career and he was Jewish. Bowie always seemed like a genuinely good person who had a few missteps. I'm 100% sure he was being honest about how he let one of his characters take over and that he regretted that whole period.


Jwishh

And he was one of the few white artists to ever perform on soul train and did so during his thin white Duke phase.


craftyindividual

Apparently had a thing with Slash's mom, according to him.


Capt_Easychord

Well, I seem to recall he was also collecting old Nazi paraphernalia during that period. He definitely was fascinated by the aesthetics of fascism


alexrbrodie

Yeah I’m confused too...


freyport

Fascism. Turn to the left. Fascism. Turn to the right. Oh, fascism.


Scrotchticles

????


onecooltaco

The song is Fashion


Scrotchticles

Gotcha lol


BananaPhoPhilly

yeah that's the point lol though his character's praise of hitler was uh... a bit much yeah


jimi-ray-tesla

Pondering how many pounds of coke the upcoming tour will procure


YoungAndChad69

He was so skinny


grecianformula69

He claimed that he didn’t remember the writing or recording of Station to Station, one of his best albums, due to his superhuman intake of cocaine. The title track is filled with all sorts of kabballistic imagery.


Capt_Easychord

I think it was more Aleister Crowley. He was very into him during that period.


grecianformula69

Kether to Malkuth is Kabbalah.


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I wonder if he shot up or snorted it all? That much cocaine over that many years would completely erode your septum if you snorted it. He had to have been shooting up.


invisible_man_

Major Tom is a junkie.


PragmaticDaniel

Rub rub in the gum gum


TheRaisinPJP

It's almost like this pic could be from 2021


JKenway9_Uclan

Definitely an epitome of “Fashion is a circle.”


The_PantsMcPants

Or "anything David Bowie wears is in fashion by definition"...


mothfactory

Not from the mid 80s onwards :(


pvhs2008

You saying this now will curse us to Bowie’s 80s shiny, big ass suits with pleated pants coming back. THANKS.


makeskidskill

God I loved pleated pants and suit jackets with huge shoulders.


KeLLyAnneKanye2020

David Byrne?


makeskidskill

You may find yourself in a huge suit jacket, with huge shoulder pads, and you may ask yourself, how did I get here??


_1138_

A friend of mine talked about a party (he was in the recording industry) at dave Byrne's house in the 90's. He said the only place one could smoke cigarettes was in the basement. As he was a smoker, he headed down. While mingling, he noticed a big box on the shelf that said something to the effect of "big suit". So maybe Dave was just waiting it out till he could wear it again...


MikeIsSmart

This is not my huge suit. These are not my giant shoulder pads.


SwedishCopper

Pleated pants are already back tho


HoneyGrahams224

Personally I'm a fan of front pleats and shoulder pads so I say bring it on.


__erk

I dunno, I always think that and then I see the man. He simply did not ever look uncool imo


TemursAdHoarding

Early-mid 2000’s Bowie wasn’t great. Looked like Rachael from Friends.


__erk

Ha! Can't unsee... and yet somehow I stand by my original comment :)


Buenasdiaswinger

He killed it in Zoolander though.


BillohRly

Friends don't let friends get Friends haircuts


themarquetsquare

Give it ten years or so. It'll be back at the front


Obsessionofvanity

Hard disagree there. I thought Bowie looked his absolute coolest in 2003.


R_V_Z

How dare you, his Earthling look was like a perfect encapsulation of the 90s.


SeaOfDeadFaces

He had some missteps in the 80’s but then came roaring back in the 90’s. He looked cooler at 50 than most people ever will at any point. From Outside on he reclaimed his King Cool title.


notathrowaway21347

You’re nuts, man. Bowie in the 80s looked like what the rest of the 80s was poorly trying to imitate.


b_mccart

That’s just your opinion


ready_gi

our true bisexual icon


BarneyChampaign

The only constant fashion trend is novelty.


femoral-artery

Solved.


MangoCats

There is no novelty, only cycles. Young Bowie styles himself to look old, old Bowie styles himself to look young...


BarneyChampaign

I don’t mean novelty in the span of all history, but in the context of the culture’s majority memory.


grambell789

its pretty timeless. could be from 1921 too,


IanMazgelis

If I had enough money to buy professionally designed clothing, I would probably want things that look about equally good in 1921, 1971, or 2021. There's a lot of fashion choices that have endured for the past century, and really they were never especially trendy, but they look damn good, and they'll probably still be popular a hundred years from now. It's a little plain, but so am I, so I like that stuff.


UnusualClub6

Oh yeah. A white shirt and jeans has been making hot people look hot for like 100 years.


planet_rose

The real timeless truth is that hot people look hot.


nihir82

There is fashion and then there is style


UnusualClub6

These clothes are just classic and not trendy. A sweater over a collared shirt and flat-front khakis have looked normal on men for about 100 years.


breathing_normally

The hair looks current chic though. I think it hasn’t been fashionable since early to mid 80s, a style which he had a big hand in.


Buenasdiaswinger

Not the 70s style flair in this pic. I see guys walking around in NYC looking like this every day. Didn’t see that here five years ago.


TinkerPebbles

That hair colour!


HouseOfAplesaus

I’m crapping that his outfit and hair match the flowering trees and leaves.


emolga587

The whole thing looks like an Arizona Green Tea can


ImBaaaaaaaaaaack

99¢ Stardust


gram_parsons

99% Stardust


ElectronSurprise

They really capitalized on how good those colors look together that’s for sure..


ebruce11

How is this so damn accurate..


morphinebysandman

That was my initial thought too!


BananaPhoPhilly

Never ever seen "crapping" used in this context lol


Concept-Known

You're....crapping?


SoggyWaffleBrunch

almost like it was intentional


HippoKingOfOld

Like a photo-shoot or something.


HouseOfAplesaus

Not one but two captain obvious’s. We should book a cruise.


ccReptilelord

You only need one captain for a cruise. Also, wouldn't it be Captains Obvious?


ebruce11

Ah yes. The old “Attorney’s general” ear sore


the_void__

He's the main character of his own anime.


honest-miss

Bo-Bo's Bizarre Adventure?


Doc_Wyatt

Happens naturally when you live off nothing but red peppers, milk, and cocaine for extended periods


Emily5099

He was an old looking young man, then a young looking old man. I think he started looking 45 when he was around 20 and just stayed that way.


Jack_Kegan

That’s drugs for ya


hellahater

And genetics


Asifdude

I thought this was streetwear for a second and I was about to ask a dude how the fuck he gets off lookin so much like Bowie. He is so fucking timeless.


dybdeskarphet

yeah I also though this was r/malefashion


Beena22

I’m not convinced that sub isn’t just fucking with us.


Fart__

I once looked at it hoping it would have fitting advice and stuff like that. Instead it seemed to be specifically showing clothes that are just expensive and abstract just for the sake of it.


jordasaur

I think you may be looking for r/malefashionadvice


RadioFreeWasteland

I mean at the end of the day that's basically what high fashion is It's less about conventionally "nice" clothing and more about where the abstract idea of "clothing" can be pushed. Like the other commenter mentioned you probably would enjoy /r/MaleFashionAdvice


IanMazgelis

I'm convinced that subreddit is just somehow gamed for dark, baggy sweatshirts and pants, usually with logos all over them.


art-man_2018

At the peak of his cocaine addiction, I believe if he hadn't escaped to Berlin with Iggy Pop in tow, neither of them would have survived. Thankfully they did.


Mujokan

It's a bit complicated. He started cleaning up before Berlin and he wasn't totally clean after Berlin. And Iggy was even less committed. This is my impression from reading a few biographies. It was more like, he got sick of his subjugation to drugs at that time, plus all the weird paranoid bullshit that went along with that, and he decided to become more authentic. He gave up a lot of the play-acting from his kind of Anthony Newley + Vince Taylor days and became more confident in himself. One influence on his decision to go to Berlin was "Goodbye to Berlin" by Christopher Isherwood, which I would recommend to everyone.


machlangsam

John Lennon visited him in the studio while he was making an album and was astounded by the amount of cocaine. Like Tony Montana quantities.


exec_director_doom

Great photo. Loving the blend of colors. It has a springtime in London feel to it.


Rocky1963

One of the very few who stayed relevant throughout their career


Trent_Boyett

Never settled into a groove, never pandered, never stopped trying to figure himself out through music.


vcmartin1813

The color scheme matching is so satisfying


saioskeshin7

Oh my God, it's Tilda Swinton... What a beauty


altxrtr

The year Station to Station came out.


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BeneathSkin

Link?


5years8months3days

Big fucking paragraph and no link.


trailblazer86

Yea, no pink hairs there


ResykRecycling

Deep into the coke years.


ScarletCaptain

Milk and peppers.


Thegoodlife93

Honestly not a terrible diet for a coke fiend. At least he was getting plenty of protein, calcium and vitamins A and C.


ScarletCaptain

Gotta fuel all that chaos magic somehow.


xizrtilhh

Explains the hair colour.


Fiveinaline

Way back when during his opium den days while stationed in Singapore, my uncle used to hang out with Bowie. Prolly would have been around the time this picture was taken I guess.


ryanmuller1089

When people say “smoking doesn’t make you look cool”, there are some cases where that just isn’t true.


trailblazer86

Cigarettes are amplifier - if you're cool you only get cooler smoking one, if you look miserable, then smoking will make things worse Credits to some redittor, whose name I've forgotten long time ago


Caucasian_Thunder

Frustrated Affleck smoking a cigarette.jpeg comes to mind


ryanmuller1089

That’s a great point. It’s like drinking too. Some did an ask Reddit “what’s is something if you’re rich it’s ok but if you’re poor it’s not” (something like that) and top comment was “Day Drinking”


rondell_jones

Its like fedoras (or other hats). People that look cool wearing them already looked cool without wearing them.


BiblioPhil

Considering he died from cancer in his 60s, I'd say it still doesn't make you cool. This is coming from a former smoker.


sluggishschizo

Nick Cave comes to mind.


jaymx226

Yup and Cash, Sinatra, Len Dawson...


jscummy

See the thing is Cash, Sinatra, and Bowie will make literally anything look cool


nineelevenairways

Bowie would look cool pooping in a litter box.


cmrunning

Bowie makes smoking look cool. I don't think smoking makes anyone look cooler - most smokers just look kind of sad or addicted. Or gross.


geogle

Bowie would make picking your nose look cool.


Dear-Chasey-Lain

So much style


sirjuice35

Loving this H&M collection


williewill19

Maybe I do like-like him idk


Archangel1313

Little known fact: David Bowie could change his hair color at will, to match whatever was in the background.


sarsilog

He wouldn't look out of place with those clothes and hair right now tbh.


samplemax

Bowie cosplays his surroundings


Drunk_Magician

The world really went to shit after he died. It's like the Goblin King's magic was all that was holding us together.


Ontopourmama

Him and Prince. I think Tom Petty may have played a part in the magic balance, too.


Drunk_Magician

It was a bad few years for magical, musical people.


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Always class.


milkypimms72

Could of worn a bin bag and still be the coolest cat in the room.


Fleck_J

My name is Yoshikage Kira. I’m 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don’t smoke, but I occasionally drink. I’m in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I’m trying to explain that I’m a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn’t lose to anyone.


happydaddydoody

I went to the Bowie Exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum and it was absolutely incredible. The guy has so much damn stuff attributed with his career. Room after room of costumes and clothes and instruments. The guy was all freakin style.


Jwishh

Did you get to see his coke spoon?


WhiskeyDabber67

Even in a boring beige outfit someone would wear to a family Easter he looks like such a freaking rock star.


4string6wheel

Smoking is so gross, yet he makes it look so cool


NerdAlert100

The return of the Thin White Duke


Eyelbee

IIRC this guy predicted the internet's future in 1999, and the BBC interviewer didn't take him seriously.


denyooooo

He looks like Draco Malfoy on crack


bombshellfrontier

The Thin White Duke was 💯 Slytherin. I’m surprised the fan fiction doesn’t exist. Jareth, tho… with all the puzzles and shit? Bad Ravenclaw.


wishitwouldrainaus

He was a unique being. Insanely innovative, creating music that is representative of the changing times. Tortured to a degree but arent all the greats? Frankly I'm surprised he lived as long as he did. Right up til the end he was making records that whilst not as popular as his early days was still insanely beautiful and challenging. RIP sir.


t_rexattax

Blue blue electric blue


imasupa

There are not many things on Reddit that make me stop and simultaneously takes my breath away. This is it!


Mnemnosine

Lucifer among the cherry blossoms.


Lehster

time takes a cigarette


SciFiHiFive

Bowie was NOT doing well at this point in his life. He had just released Station to Station- a record he has zero recollection of writing or recording due to his excessive cocaine usage and onset of cocaine psychosis.


randoliof

Making fascism look cool "Playboy: You’ve often said that you believe very strongly in fascism. Yet you also claim you’ll one day run for Prime Minister of England. More media manipulation? Bowie: Christ, everything is a media manipulation. I’d love to enter politics. I will one day. I’d adore to be Prime Minister. And, yes, I believe very strongly in fascism. The only way we can speed up the sort of liberalism that’s hanging foul in the air at the moment is to speed up the progress of a right-wing, totally dictatorial tyranny and get it over as fast as possible. People have always responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership. A liberal wastes time saying, “Well, now, what ideas have you got?” Show them what to do, for God’s sake. If you don’t, nothing will get done. I can’t stand people just hanging about. Television is the most successful fascist, needless to say. Rock stars are fascists, too. Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars."


Ya_Orange_boi

I mean you don't become the sovereign of the guild of calamitous intent by being a good person.


DancewithRance

address the elephant in the room, people point out Bowie is cool, and then somebody on their moral high chair who knows nothing about the man (who is deceased at that) wants to play celebrity judge and jury. Let's go ahead and put those people down a peg. >Bowie was a _______ First, let's talk about history. Groupie culture, and what sex culture looked like in the 60s and 70s is **vastly** different when compared to today. A primer on this is that *even up to 1980*, Brooke Shields got her claim to fame by starring in a #VERY POPULAR AD For Calvin Klein. (Seriously, it started the company for all intents and purposes) with the tag line "you know what comes between me and my Calvin's? Nothing" This was a **national** ad. She was 15. And if that alarms you, watch virtually *any* 1980s comedy set in a high school. This is not saying its "ok", or that groupie culture was "universally" tolerated, but there is some serious fucking revisionist attitudes when it comes to these stories that ignores the context entirely to apply the label. If this is how you want to view all history, your own ancestry is rank with some pretty questionable practices, guaranteed. But that's the most *negligible* thing to me is this is debating morality and the times. So let's get to the second point. **There's zero evidence this was the case for Bowie** Literally *every* accusation is either conjecture or a lie. Let's start with conjecture >you *just know* since *every rock musician did this* This is the biggest argument that pisses me off. Its not ok, but everybody did it? You aren't going to use any evidence, but you are going to pass judgment anyways? Garbage. So this leaves **literally the only person to remotely have merit**, Lori Mattix. I literally have a whole essay somebody did that researched her claim and concluded three things 1)Mattix gets basic facts about Bowie wrong (physical features, locations during concerts) - claiming they had an on and off again fling *in the US* 2)Mattix has changed the story of her encounter *five times* (when it was, whether she was a virgin or not, how it happened) 3)continuity errors, namely half the time she claimed to have encountered Bowie, she was, for a fact, being Jimmy Page's "girlfriend". Not to mention there is *zero evidence* of any of these encounters. No photos, no other people verifying, and the only other groupie who claims to have slept with Bowie (Sable Star) flat out denied Lori's invovlement - which almost speaks to a rivalry to "claim" Bowie versus attacking his character. Long story short, her story doesn't hold an ounce of water when poured into the glass of empirical evidence. Lastly, >He was a fascist! This comes from interviews with his **character**, The Thin White Duke. For those who don't know, in his early years, Bowie basically method-acted his cult of personality characters like Ziggy Stardust.If you *actually listen* to the interview, he basically calls for an authoritarian symbol to become a *target* for liberalism, basically saying the world needs a villain to rally against again. Yes, it's a stupid claim, but it was part of a character and also as people have mentioned, during Bowies lowest point (cocaine among other things). **tl;dr** a lot of the shit talking about Bowie comes down to "how dare people like him" and using bullshit stories to try to I guess taint his legacy or shit talk a dead celebrity. When the claims hold merit (a la Led Zeppelin, Weinstein) go for it. But when your evidence is weak, might want to hold off on acting high and mighty about it.


b95csf

> serious fucking revisionist attitudes lel, it's just the usual hypocrisy, "we would never" and then they go and make a thousand reddit threads to circlejerk to the Olsen twins because they're legal now also I see your Brooke Shields and raise you fucking Miley Cyrus literally