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CitrusOrang

I read it all guys, are you proud of me? Good analysis, definitely gonna change some opinions


WinterTechnical9590

Thanks, though the credit goes to that person in amino lol.


SoniKinn

I didn't think about that much, because I knew Sunny's mum is a good parent. Anyway It's really makes sense,


WinterTechnical9590

Lol. True


Loudthunder34

I love this, this is great. if only I could write something this detailed and thought out, but there are a few things I would like to point out. first, with your 2nd to last paragraph. you mention that sunny might not be malnurished, and the only time he is discribed like this is with kel's mom(I forgot this conversation between them so sorry if I got it wrong.)this isn't actually the case. I don't blame you for missing this, but if you visit the park on day 1 with a full party and interact with the swing set you get a cutscene with aubrey, she mentions "you're looking a little pale... and kind of thin, too."([Aubrey talk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB3lvTyC4aY) watch from 17 - 41 seconds). while this doesn't necessarily mean sunny is malnurished like many think. this is important to bring up with your opinion. second, with the phone call over the phone about the electric bill, you mention that Sunny's mom doesn't try to ask for forgiveness which would be good, expect it is a prerecorded message, not a phone call. she wouldn't be expecting to hear a reply from sunny saying I forgive you in the first place. again this is a minor detail, but it is important to bring up. third, you mention that sunny is 16 and is almost an adult, and shouldn't have to hold his moms hand all the time. on day 1 of Hikikomori route, your chore is to sort things from a large cardboard box into smaller boxes the options are trash, books, and toys. most Adults don't still have toys, and I get that this isn't entirely true, but Sunny seems to have an abundance of them. the player has an option to put most of the toys into the toy box, which I am assuming they are going to keep. they might donate them, but the trash might really mean things they don't need right now. I understand that these are all assumptions, but sunny is a 16 year old, and shouldn't need toys any more. forth you say Sunny could order Pizza on the Hikikomori route if he didn't want to go outside. but from the prologue, we can see that he is scared to open the door, so much so that he has a imagines Mari coming to the door and knocking on it. he is too scared to open the door to others and therefore would be too scared to open it for a pizza man. As a "good mother" she should know this fear by now after living with him alone for a few years, and know that ordering over the phone isn't an option for sunny specifically. fifth, another piece of evidence that I think would be brought up alot is the Furniture sale that Sunny's mom stays for. you don't seem to have a counter argument to this. she was supposed to come home that day but stopped because of good deals on furniture. that kind of seems like neglecting almost, and unlike the electric bill phone call you brought up, her excuse is, " I couldn't resist a good bargain. not saying I am sorry I couldn't come home today. like a normal mother would do her child. if I am being honest, I started writing this with my opinion slightly on the bad mother side. I just had never taken the debate into consideration, but after reading this, I feel that I am still on the bad mother side, my opinion has not changed, but I understand some of the points you made, some of which I had no answer to. I think your writing is really good, and I can tell you spent a lot of time on it, but I unfortunantly am not convinced. I do hope you take my points into consideration. thank you for reading all the way through. if you have anything to say about my points Please let me know. Again amazing job with writing this master piece and I respect your opinion. you brought up valid points and made it all sound great and professional. Thank you.


WinterTechnical9590

I am not the creator of this post, as I said the person on amino made this (Shipperina 221) and I wanted to share. However I believe I can defend some of these points. First paragraph I agree, they probably should have pointed that out as well. Second paragraph, the mom does actually expect Sunny to answer, on the second day she tells Sunny this "Hey SUNNY, it's MOMMY. Are you doing okay? You haven't been answering my calls or responding to my voicemails! If you keep ignoring me, I'll start to get worried again!" giving a clear indication that she does expect replies from him when she is away. Third paragraph, since many adults do sleep with toys and it isn't just one toy either. I remember when I was younger my father would always sleep with this big tiger toy every night. It isn't bizarre or an indication of Sunny not being an adult in any way. I also decided to do some research and according to sites like [Well and Good](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wellandgood.com/adults-sleeping-with-stuffed-animals/amp/) and [The guardian ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/global/2020/jan/05/bears-lifeline-adults-who-sleep-with-soft-toys) 30-40% of adults sleep with toys and 33% keep their childhood toys. The funny thing is, in the study it points out that it reduces negative negative emotions, stress, and anxiety. All of these things are good reasons why Sunny might have some. Even with your point on too many toys it doesn't sound wrong since I have grandparents who own a bunch of toys like action figures, cars, fake guns, wrestling games, and more. Fourth paragraph, I believe this links to Sunny's infantilism. Sunny could still order it or if he was scared he could have asked his mom to do it for him, which she would since she is starved for a reply. Sunny owns many ways of communication and if he refuses to do any of them then that is on him. She also knows Sunny is uncomfortable with going outside and tells him "I know you haven't talked to anyone in a while, but you might want to say goodbye to your old friends before we leave" she even asks him to go outside though her way is too passive since she says this 2 days later "Did you end up visiting KEL? If not, it's alright... I understand. Just take things at your own pace..." I do believe her passive behaviour is an issue when it comes to parenting Sunny, but that is a different story. Another thing is, Sunny has been like this even as a kid, he refuses to voice his issues and problems to others. Which caused Mari's death in the end, why should others be at fault for his actions? For the fifth paragraph, the electricity was not cut out, the lights were. Many of the appliances work and she even said it herself that "the lights might cut out sometime tonight.", the lights are not a big deal in all honesty. Finally I want to thank you for this fun debate. It has been a while since I last had one. Again I wasn't the one who wrote this, it was actually Shipperina 221, however I will tell them about the praise.


Loudthunder34

cool, thanks for the feedback on my responce


Sgt_C4

My take on the matter was being a single parent family meant she was probably just too busy providing for them. I can't count the amount of friends I've had who only had one parent who always had to be away working etc just to make enough money to live. One of the many reasons divorce is so damn stupid. I also don't explicitly consider Sunny's dad to be a bad parent either, even though he did leave. I assume he just wasn't able to cope with the trauma (not that the others could either), and fathers already have so much stress that I can see him being unable to take it and leaving. I'm also fairly convinced that Sunny either not coming forward about his actions/maybe lying to his parents made it that much worse for his dad too. Now Aubrey's parents, Basil's parents, even Kel and Hero's mom... Not so sure they have excuses.


WinterTechnical9590

Yea, I agree, her being a single parent does limit her ability to look after him properly and I cannot imagine the amount of stress she have to deal with. Also I agree, Aubrey and Basil's parents don't have an excuse, and Kel/Hero's mom is questionable.


plztradewithme101

I think she is a good person but a kinda bad parent. The main reason I think this is that she doesn't really help Sunny that much, which I know this was addressed, but what good parent would let their child spend almost the entire day sleeping in their room for four years, especially after the event that happened? She is only enabling him if she never tries to get him to stop, which she probably hasn't done/given up on since he's been doing it for four years. Sorry if this was dumb, just my opinion, feel free to correct me.


WinterTechnical9590

I am not the creator, so I am willing to say that I believe the mom's issue is that she is too passive with Sunny, which is understandable since she lost a child and doesn't want the other one to resent her in any way. She tells Sunny to get out the house ("I know you haven't talked to anyone in a while, but you might want to say goodbye to your old friends before we leave.") however after that she treats nit leaving the house as fine ("Did you end up visiting KEL? If not, it's alright... I understand. Just take things at your own pace...") which again I understand why she is like that, the idea of losing another family member must be extremely tough on her, but she should have pushed him a bit more. She tries at least and in the Sunny route she is one of the factors that pushes Sunny to go outside, next to Kel of course.


LiteratureNo2195

Finally someone gets it. Sunny’s mom is really heavily misjudged because of a few first impressions, which is annoying.


WinterTechnical9590

Agreed