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Since 1993, the Mets have had 9 managers. Only one of them went on to coach another team (Valentine for 1 year in Boston). We are the manager killers.

Since 1993, the Mets have had 9 managers. Only one of them went on to coach another team (Valentine for 1 year in Boston). We are the manager killers.

DWright_5

Funny Randolph never got another shot. His record with the Mets was good


GCFC1888

Willie didn’t get in the way. He wasn’t the reason they were a good team. and I liked him until the curtain was pulled back.


DWright_5

Managers always get the blame unless the team wins the World Series. It’s kinda pathetic. There’s only so much they can do


three_dee

> Managers always get the blame unless the team wins the World Series. It’s kinda pathetic. There’s only so much they can do That's true, but Randolph was uniquely awful. He was worse than Manuel, Collins, Callaway and everyone else on that list rolled into one giant bad manager ball.


psstein

Randolph was really, really bad. Let's put it this way: he made Collins and Callaway look like masters of bullpen management.


three_dee

If you told me that after David Wright's 2004 monster debut season, that the next manager would come in and declare in spring training that David Wright would bat 8th when the season started, and then he was forced to move him up to 7th but only because someone got hurt, I would have thought you were shitting me. Willie Randolph was not shitting me


GCFC1888

A mediocre manager can be a hero. A shit manager can make enough bad decisions to cost a handful of games. That can cost you your slot


0rangePolarBear

What’s the back story on the behind the curtain. I feel like I remember reading some stuff years ago about how he really was as a manager but can’t really remember these days


Proud2BaBarbie

Great teams, any decent mngr would've done way better


psstein

He wasn't a good manager a lot of the time. He couldn't manage a bullpen to save his life.


icedrake523

He only had a good bullpen in 2006.


Mack_the_flnger

I don't think the typical fan appreciates how much it must suck to manage bad teams, and if Randolph wanted another shot, that's the shot he would get


DWright_5

I think it pays better than being a first base coach


Mack_the_flnger

maybe like 5 times the pay but 100 times the stress


DWright_5

WAY more than 5 times the pay. Maybe 20 to 30 times the pay, or more. How much you think coaches make? It’s like $100-150k I believe


Skexy

His record was good, overall; but it was worse than it should have been with the team he was managing.


DWright_5

They didn’t do any better after he left, except the first few weeks


Skexy

Jerry Manuel was worse


BobbysBottleService

I wonder what he’s up to now and if he’d be willing to talk


YSApodcast

Manager killers or make terrible hires?


elarobot

Probably subpar hires then micromanaged and penny pinched by god awful ownership pulling all of the front office strings. Really, there should be no surprise or mystery here.


YSApodcast

Ding ding ding.


three_dee

Except for Valentine, he was great. All the others were awful. Not sure what to think about Rojas, so I'll leave him out of that. I think he's had some real head-scratcher moments, but I don't think he's even close to as bad as he would have to be to warrant the current pile-on.


CrackerMacJackson

I remember this post from a few weeks ago


ch-dev

Well, poop. Must've missed that one.


twec21

Valentine probably wishes he'd skipped Boston


Skexy

he's said as much


PintRT

At least Bobby went to Japan and won a championship. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


OtherwiseTonight

I mean, realistically the last 3 aren't our fault. Terry retired, mickey is a sexual deviant, and beltran is a cheater.


FrostyTheSnowman02

Does Beltran even count as a manager if he never even managed a single game?


OtherwiseTonight

He was announced as the manager so yes i count it


d33roq

To be fair, most of those managers deserved to be 'killed'.


sonicblue63

If you skip Jeff Torborg, the two prior managers (Cubbage and Harrelson) also never managed another team.


MrNumberOneMan

It’s hilarious to think that, of all people, Jeff Torborg (2 winning records in 11 seasons as a manager) is the one who breaks the streak. I also totally forgot Mike Cubbage had the job.


thesidedesk

Damn. Even Milli Vanilli had a longer tenure than Carlos Beltron.


Setec-Astronomer

Ya, MLB got his number number number...


thesidedesk

You know it's true, you know it's true, you know it's true, you know it's true.


Mack_the_flnger

the last time we've had a manager have sustained success post his Mets career was Davy Johnson, who was fired over 30 years ago. I don't think the Mets kill these managers, I think it's a sign that during the Wilpon/Doubleday and Wilpon eras, the front office were largely relying on men that did not have much respect around the league


rosen380

Just for a comparison, here are the Yankees: ​ |Manager|Start|End|Prior Exp|Post Exp| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |Aaron Boone|2018|?|0|?| |Joe Girardi|2008|2017|1|2| |Joe Torre|1996|2007|14|3| |Buck Showalter|1992|1995|0|16| |Stump Merrill|1990|1991|0|0| |Bucky Dent|1989|1990|0|0| |Dallas Green|1989|1989|3|4| |Lou Piniella|1986|1988|3|20| I'll stop there as who even knows how to count Billy Martin :) At least as far as the comp, Girardi is still managing so his post exp is almost certainly going to go up (and he's not that old, 56, so lots of potential time left), but still a decent number of "post" duds there.


Setec-Astronomer

I still don't understand how Willie Randolph never got another job.


three_dee

Because he was a terrible manager in every way that it's possible for a manager to be terrible


Proud2BaBarbie

Dallas and Terry were too old Howe and WIllie were horrible Mickey was a perv Carlos was a cheat


GCFC1888

This is bold. Comparing two of the shittiest managers in Mets history with two that went to an NLCS or further.


joesaysso

What am I missing here? He's explaining the reasons why they didn't manage again. There is no comparisons taking place here that I can tell.


Proud2BaBarbie

exactly, thank you


three_dee

Which one mentioned there wasn't shitty?


bumbardier30

Am I having deja vu


Ibleedliquidfreedom

Ya pretty sure same exact post like a week ago


DwightMcRamathorn

Only willie I think lost out. Beltran just happened and I think he will manage. Everyone else was either at the end or sucked


RedScharlach

You should add a col for games managed too, just for the lols


hockey_poll

Willie "Gotta tip your cap" Randolph. 🤮


knowtoriusMAC

Collins retired and Calloway got unmasked as a perv. Not on the Mets at this point.


Inhumanly_possible

The Mets are really bad at picking managers.


scarlet_fire_77

Wow. And Bobby V basically disgraced himself in Boston. The only guy who got a second chance proved that maybe he shouldn’t have.


Skexy

I live in Boston and saw that season as close as any Mets fan still loyal to Bobby V. Valentine brought the same thing to the table he did in NY and in Japan, but caught between a GM handing down their own rules and players who weren't willing to buy in after knowing years of success in Francona's locker-room. Valentine's strength was shaking things up, and that's not what the Sox were ready for when he came in. This was the remnants of the Popeye's and beer team that was lost to Francona, and they weren't ready to let someone else come in and run their clubhouse fun that year. That team had to get that disaster out of their system and would have been a mess under anyone.


JZ_the_ICON

I forget which Mets podcast it was but they were saying that on the likelihood that Rojas gets canned, there are other teams interested in him, possibly the Padres.


gbeckwith

That's my future mayor


Inhumanly_possible

Collins retired if he wasn't so old he would have managed another team.