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Change My Mind Early War Arc Naruto Was The Worst Part of the Whole Series

Change My Mind Early War Arc Naruto Was The Worst Part of the Whole Series

TheGamingLord401

Remember when gai’s team fought clones of themselves and they won because they just became more good


craftyzz

Plz don’t remind me


TheGamingLord401

mwahahaha


robbinbanksinc23

not to mention the animation in those fights


AncientSith

The animation in a lot of early Shippuden wasn't great, honestly.


Top-Kaleidoscope3446

Sasori vs Sakura has pretty good animation but the others are yeah..


AncientSith

The Sasori fight definitely has some solid parts to it.


GoodAkuma

Fighting some fodder Zetsu gets boring real quick


Brain_bruh

nope, but way too much filler tho


Gnagetftw

Agree, the fillers really killed me


[deleted]

I loved the fillers didn’t skip a single one the entire series


Gnagetftw

The fillers themselves are not the issue, the timing of them is terrible


[deleted]

Agreed but I know more about the series than normal people 75% bc I am constantly on the wiki and 25% bc of filler


dragunityag

I wonder how much filler from Naruto and Bleach would be seen as better if it wasn't just randomly interjected into the series.


Gnagetftw

Most of the filler material is at worst "all right", it's just that they air them in the middle of the biggest cliffhangers.. and its not even 1 filler it's basically whole filler arcs in between fights during the war arc!


Catterix

If you’ve only seen the anime, sure. The original pacing and structure in the manga is actually quite the marvel of interwoven plotlines that balance theme, emotion and tension extremely well for a manga that is being published a chapter a week. When read in quick succession, the manga’s rendition of events reads like a blitz of action and conflict that really reflect the panicked and high octane circumstances of the situation. Throw in suitably simple emotional moments and it’s a really enjoyable read that reflects some of Kishimoto’s best strengths as a writer. For me it’s once Tailed Beasts get released that the story absolutely starts to drag until the end.


sonfoa

After Obito becomes the Ten Tails jinchuricki is where the story really starts slipping for me. It's clear that most of the ideas from there on out are half-baked because Kishimoto didn't seem to have planned the end of the War properly at all because it's a string of themes and plot points that don't get the attention needed to make them properly work and you slowly start to lose interest and wait for thing to end. It's really a good thing that Kishimoto was committed to the Naruto vs Sasuke ending because if the series ended with them beating Kaguya that would have been one of the most underwhelming series finishes ever. Those last 10 chapters saved it from that fate.


Catterix

Haha yeah, when writing it was a toss up between the Beasts being released or Obito turning Ten Tails. The latter is definitely where it screeches to a crawl but I felt the previous one kinda set up process into motion. I do feel people underestimate the influence that editors and publishers have on Mangaka. Everything about the War Arc feels like it was going in a particular, well-established direction and seemed far too well structured and defined to collapse but then suddenly becomes a ping pong match of sharingans, usurping and power ups that, while awesome, seemed like bridges to gap the unnecessarily escalating circumstances. Even Kishimoto’s worse writing at least had something of a full-cycle and outside of him literally dropping the ball out of nowhere, I cannot see what happened as anything but upper meddling to either put more focus on popular characters or to milk the sales for longer, or set up for a possible sequel. I have very little evidence aside from just the main text itself and general knowledge of other times editors meddled, but it’s all I can see it as.


sonfoa

Yeah you can definitely see the pressure for Boruto with Kaguya. Now I do think Kaguya was Kishimoto's idea just not in the way that she was implemented. Another thing is that Kishimoto was likely rushing but I think because he had the true ending planned out Naruto ends on a high note. That's why the last 10 chapters return to form whereas the previous 40-50 are of much lower quality.


Different-Order-5521

I can't. It sucked till Madara pulled up


Holczy_

ALL of the fillers < War arc


craftyzz

Bro 99% of fillers are even worse than early war arc. Then later war arc wasn’t even that bad.


JustBeingMindful

Without looking the battles up, can anyone remember how the Edo Akatsuki were used? Who did they fight? Nagato / Itachi vs Naruto / Bee Sasori vs Kankuro That's all I can remember.


FedericoDAnzi

Deidara vs Kankuro, then escaped and got caught by Mifune and Kurotsuchi. Kakuzu was at the beach, against Shikamaru team and those two who fought him the first time. Kisame, Conan and Hidan weren't resurrected. Zetsu was everywhere.


JustBeingMindful

Underwhelming for sure. Imagine this: **Nagato** vs **Naruto**. Naruto has proven himself to be the only one strong enough to take Pain head-on, and it would add insult to injury to have Nagato awake for the majority of the fight. **Itachi** vs **Sasuke**, bit meh to have a round 2 but definitely pack the same emotion, and give them a good reason to run off and find Kabuto together. Alternatively, Itachi vs Konoha leadership, people who put him on this self-destructive path. Assuming Tsunade was busy with Madara, **Kakashi** could've proven his worth as the next Hokage to seal him. **Sasori** vs **Kankuro** makes sense, but this time, break out the One Hundred Puppets. You could even have Kankuro + **Sakura** for the rematch if you wanted, but having that showdown be more personal would've been a nice touch. **Deidara** vs **Darui**, a devastating matchup where Darui absolutely makes a mess of Deidara's Clay Techniques. The sealing tools he took from Kinkaku and Ginkaku would've been useful here, sealing him before he can use a self destruction technique near him. **Kakuzu** vs **Kurotsuchi** \+ **Gaara**, proving their worth on the battlefield. I didn't want to have to break Gaara from the Madara fight, but honestly there aren't many characters that need to fight Kakuzu story-wise. Gaara with the crowd control, Kurotsuchi as the heavy hitter, and the two villages' ninja working together would've been nice to see. That or you make Kakuzu a throwaway joke for when Hashirama arrives on the battlefield, landing directly through Kakuzu's whole being and turning him into a tree or something. Better yet, it's time for **Rock Lee** to show what Eight Gates can do, and have him vs Kakuzu. Hell yeah. **Kisame** vs **Chōjūrō**, would've been a great moment for Kisame's corpse to lead the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist, and Chōjūrō proving why he's the last surviving member, and future Mizukage. **Konan** vs **Hinata** (or preferably her + **Neji**), using her visual prowess to figure out Konan's patterns and find the location of her body. Imagine dual Eight Trigrams + Rotation vs all of the paper weapons. **Hidan** (alive) vs **Shikamaru** (or preferably **Ino-Shika-Cho**). Again, possibly too many rematches, but having Ino and Choji make up for the abysmal showing from the first go-around, it would've been cool to see them save Shikamaru thanks to his planning and willingness to be the bait for the two of them to succeed. Can't tell me Ino's Mind Transfer Technique wouldn't be useful against Hidan.


[deleted]

Pretty much half of these would be a stomp for the akatsuki: Nagato >>> KCM **1** Naruto Sasori (with his puppets) vs Kankuro is a no brainer And don't even get me started on the Konan & Kisame fights


JustBeingMindful

*\*Gasp\** Stakes??


craftyzz

Only got good once they fought the edo kage and when Nagato and Itachi fought Bee and Naruto


redyellowblue5031

What was the part where Naruto was on that god damn ship?


[deleted]

i think it was when they were escorting him to the island with bee


redyellowblue5031

All I remember is that section of the show *took forever*. Or at least my memory says it was forever.


ViscachaBlue

I think that’s the infamous power arc everyone hates lmao


redyellowblue5031

All that damn filler blends together for me I swear. I remember being disappointed each week it would come out. I wasn't reading the manga at that point, I was still holding out.


Dry-Hawk

I personally think the first two arcs were worse, but that's just my opinion i guess


midnightoil24

Personally I liked getting to see a bunch of new combatants and classic heroes and villains, but I also read the manga and am easily satisfied


FedericoDAnzi

Says while showing the best depiction of secondary characters in their small screentime.


faizanalam

Honestly, Kishimoto probably would’ve done more justice to the whole war if he turned it into a sequel show. Then we can see better battles, more character development, Naruto’s power ups progressing more naturally, power up the Zetsus more reasonably. A lot it was just scenes of these lame clones fighting these seasoned shinobi with advanced planning and everything. Also could’ve given more background to the edo tenseis. The war could’ve lasted 6 months and probably would’ve made more sense as a sequel.


WannabeWeeb-

Fr, who wanted to watch the show without the main character in it?


craftyzz

Not even that they literally revived the most random characters nobody cares about to fight more characters that no one cares about


Bootyeater453

Agreed, kazekage rescue was also a snooze fest


craftyzz

Kazekage rescue was a little boring at some points, but it had some moments in it the Sasori fight was cool


Top-Kaleidoscope3446

Cool fight,cool character (Deidara, Sasoriand chiyo),cool power,but the godamn pacing is the worst in the whole series


grind_n_hussle

It was good but the pacing was terrible for me


sonfoa

It's good in the manga, anime not so much. I think they were experimenting with the 1 chapter/1 episode formula (like One Piece uses) and it just did not work.


Le_Grand_Skel

Boruto is part of the series (or franchise ?)


craftyzz

Boruto is ten times better than this shit, and it’s actually really good now.


Le_Grand_Skel

the 120 first episodes ? yeah now it's good


craftyzz

I’ll admit those first 120 episodes weren’t great, but at least there was the Momoshiki fight there was also some other decent moments in there such as the Sarada arc. I agree tho most of that anime canon/filler was pretty boring.


TheKnightGame

The first arc was great too


sonfoa

Barring all the filler and shit what's so good about Boruto now?


Yain_

kawaki


JadedF20

Nothing but cool dbz level fights lmao


craftyzz

Amazing fights but then you got people like the one who replied to you complaining about dbz power levels same type of people who complain about the nerfs Sasuke and Naruto received. They’re not even all like “dbz” a good example of this would be the Garo and Ao fights, and also Kashin Koji having a near identical fighting style to Jiraiya, and fights are also heavily taijutsu based which is a treat to see. There’s also an actual story now and Kawakis a great character and Boruto himself has had a lot of development since when he was a brat I actually like him a lot now. Also the recent death was at least top 3 in the series for me they did that soooo much better in the anime than manga.


ZarosianSpear

Not changing your mind cos I think so as well


GraphikSF

Man all the flashbacks felt terrible


malhotra22

When some things was exceptionally well then people compare that thing with itself.


GreayAlarmClock

Your high bro


craftyzz

Care to explain why? Cause a lotta people seem to agree with me


GreayAlarmClock

I thought the early war arc was very entertaining. Your saying it wasn’t cool seeing gaara fight his father or the akatsuki reanimated? To each their own I guess, I just disagree.


craftyzz

Akatsuki reanimated was wasted only ones who were significant were Itachi and Nagato and I said once the kage were revived then it got good


GreayAlarmClock

I didn’t know you said that, and I can see why you’d say that, although personally I still enjoyed it even before then.


[deleted]

Hanzo who beat all three sannin and gave them that title, was beat by a single samurai... The guy who only died to Nagato and his rinnegan, gets beaten by a normal human with a sword. Over the course of the show they screwed over a lot of characters that were supposed to be some of the strongest.


Slightly-Possible

Hey can we get major cannon except like filler? Thx


Dreamer_miad

It was pretty trash looking back at it. But that’s because we were dealing with characters that had literally no backstory or mattered at all for that matter.


craftyzz

Lol exactly it could’ve been so good with actual characters we cared about like Jiraiya or something coming back


Dreamer_miad

Would have loved to see a bit of the uchihas like Shisui or fugaku since we actually kind of got to know minato a bit.


sonfoa

That's an unfair criticism. Kishimoto took the time and try to characterize people who were important (Mifune, Darui) or hadn't had much progression (Kankuro, Choji). Obviously, it didn't work out but that's because it was stalling the plot. I'm sure if people didn't hate this stuff we would have probably got more with the Seven Ninja Swordsmen and I bet some of the Konoha 11 would get some good fights like Lee and Neji.


TheKingCowboy

It was better in the manga, the animation didn’t do it justice.


jumpoffpiz8

Late war arc was just as bad


WiseLightskin

prolly the slowest part but still had very interesting charterers like all the seven most swordsman and the gold and silver brothers. i’d say the worst arc is the garra retrieval arc total snooze fest


craftyzz

Really you liked the characters? I found the brothers and the swordsmen really boring to be honest I didn’t really care for them much at all


WiseLightskin

yeah to each his own but naruto does a really good job of world building and hyping characters so to finally see all the legendary ninjas and how unique they all were was pretty interesting. i see the whole war arc up untill the last part as nothing but fan service but it’s great fan service.


sonfoa

Late war is worse for me (around the Ten Tails jinchuricki shenanigans onwards) because the plot totally falls apart. Yes, early war wasn't very interesting but I have to commend Kishimoto for shining focus on the side characters, especially the new ones like Mifune and Darui who were important but hadn't been fleshed out or old characters that needed some progression like Kankuro and Choji. People complain ad nauseam about Kishimoto abandoning side characters and such but when he tries to make them the stars y'all don't like it because it drags the plot. And then y'all turn around and complain "Oh I wish we saw more of the 7 Ninja Swordsmen" or "why didn't *insert character I like* do more during the War". Kishimoto isn't perfect but y'all need to make up your minds.


geraltoffvkingrivia

Filler completely ruined the momentum of the series after the pain arc. That arc was possibly the best of the whole series up till that point. I stopped watching for 2 years after that and only came back when the war was almost over because it was just filler after filler. And I still managed to get stuck in more filler when I started watching again. And it wasn’t like boruto filler. It has nothing to do with anything and for the most part added nothing to the story.


SmokeyTokeMore

Only reason I think the war arc is “bad” is because of the unholy amount of filler. In terms of actual episodes I think the whole war arc was pretty badass from start to finish.


Rb834

The writing was bad, but tbh the two episodes where they hyped everything up was kinda cool. Like when the battalions went running off I got goosebumps


DaKingTing

I dropped Naruto for years because of this shit. I grew up with the show and literally couldn't take it. After I while a came back and finished (with some skipping) and what is my reward..... Delivering mail and Daddy dropped the cake because he is running the most powerful village ever👶👶.... Yes.. before you say it. Burrito is better now...... And that just makes it worse.


SaveThemKillYourself

No.. I don't think I will.


MeliaH_96

Are we forgetting Mecha-Naruto filler... Waste of my damn time smh


ContributionLower377

It wouldn’t have been as bad without the flashbacks imo.


mslpnou

It was boring, most of it was filler, then they fight for like 2 second then go back to talk no justu, then they show what the other are doing, then filler for no reason then fight for like 1 minute and then talk no justu again and then sometimes there is a good fight scene. The animation was inconsistent. They could have done so many good things but they didn’t. They have the the kage but make them weak, then they could have at least make the fillers about hashirama, tobirama death how he created justu or something or even with Minato but nooo they gave us some boring filler that nobody care about. The best that come out of this was the madara entrance and his fight with all he ninjas and Naruto and the other one and the sasuke vs Naruto, now THIS was a real fight and the animation was good. The rest was trash. Sorry for the English.


Keyboardhmmmm

hanzo was never a compelling or threatening character. change my mind


vhesola

The entire war arc is the worst part of Naruto. It's messy, unfocused, and full of poor writing.


reskort-123

Am i the only one who actually enjoyed it? Some parts were boring like when the samuri fought hanzo but when any of the main characters were involved like gaara or shikamaru etc it was really entertaining