By - E46M54
We've been here before, the safe act had this same bill and then they realized how much money setting up their own NY state background check would cost and the database to support it. NICS told them they can't use their system for this.
It died because there was no funding for it.
Which just reiterates the point of how fucking dumb the people in Albany are drafting these bills.
You want to think they're dumb, but they likely know this won't pass but there's a lot of new voters paying attention so it serves to push the agenda and collect voters. They can play the "we tried..." card
The "we tried" card (without actually trying anything) is the sole plank in the democratic party platform.
The last time they tried this there were republicans in Albany that actually stopped it. Some are no longer there.
We seriously need to remember names in November.
This is the one thing that’s royally pissing me off. There is no rational explanation why ammo needs a background check. Is there legal recourse?
Rational and NY leadership are like two positively charged magnets
I asked my FFL what he thought about the background checks being proposed for ammo and he said that it won’t happen. He said that NICs checks are for guns ONLY which is why it couldn’t be enforced when proposed by the safe act. That it would take an enormous amount of infrastructure and money to have their own system which won’t happen. I still bought a few boxes of ammo anyhow. Can’t just walk into a gunshop without buying something 🤷♂️
The Feds told New York and Nevada to pound sand when they expected them to take calls on the NICS services for ammo, 10 years later and we have no system of background checks for ammo as required under NY SAFE
This also effectively bans all online sales of ammo to New York as well
Know anyone current delivering? Time to stock up
I usually get mine from Budsguns
Couldn’t you still get it through an FFL?
For double the price, sure.
I feel like it would be $20-$25 more, not double
Edit: I’m talking getting ammo online and having it sent to an FFL, not buying it from the LGS in case I was unclear. Then you just get charged a fee for a background check
Online I can get 9mm brass for 30cpr and 223 for 47cpr (shipping and tax included). I haven't seen anything near those prices at any FFL I've been to lately. But maybe I'm wrong.
Wasn't it a time target sports was 50 bucks for 9mm, dealer was 25, now the price is back down you supported these guys again. Keep it up you won't have shit anywhere to buy
I honestly only use FFL for transfers, but I obviously don't want to put anyone out of business.
Use code freeship
$15 shipping or free shipping over $1000.
The laws passed in 2012 already did that, its just that everyone ignores it
its because the feds told NY to fuck off and not use their database. lol
Holy shit this is actually further than I thought they would take this lol no holes barred or lines not to cross I guess at this point though, fuck em. We really kicked the hornets nest this time boys hopefully recourse is swift
Who can deturmine if the ammo is required for a permit either? PCC's (before this law since some decline 9mm w/o pistol permit) and bolt actions exist in almost every caliber...
I'm worried how this law and the new semi-auto purchase permit will go together - while we could all say that the 5.56 we're buying is for a bolt action, I've got a feeling some stores will ask to see a permit anyway...
The law isn’t a ban, it’s just a background check
Like O.P said it's a ban if you have a .357 lever action rifle and they require a permit you dont have to purchase .357
You’ll be able to purchase 357 or 9mm with a background check. I think the OP is mis informed
>"Lawmakers will also require background checks for all purchases of ammunition for guns that require a permit, Hochul said. “You’ll have to show that permit at the time of purchase,” she said.
They’re trying to put NY gun shops out of business. They will not survive this shit.
I'm expecting a copy of California's thing. All ammunition must be sent to an FFL. It was a good run folks
Is this enough to get people to revolt or will everyone roll over for this one too? Shit we have collectively rolled over so many times our clothes fell off from friction burns.
Careful, don’t forget the “social media hate speech” bullshit they’re talking about
I could be talking about revolting about high prices… GROW YOUR OWN FOOD… REVOLT😎🤙
We live in an oligarchy my brother, revolting against corporations is just as big of a problem as revolting against government. Only difference is even though most people are catching on to the fact that both parties are pure shit, we still have a long way before enough people realize the reason they’re shit is because they’re owned by said corporations.
I disagree that both parties are shit. One party in both policy and the politicians is shit the other parties ideology is correct but is filled with RINO scum.
Well, agree to disagree with you there brother
There is no legislative bill text out yet. Wait until the bills are actually printed, then read them.
The problem is the first time we'll get to see the bill is after it has passed
Yeah when it comes to guns in new york, there is no review period. It's law immediately.
Fuck it, to Pennsylvania I go. I feel bad for the small gun shops that are going to lose a lot of business due to this. PA, and other border state, gun shops are going to make a lot of money because of this. I'm not jumping through all of these stupid hoops while not being able to buy ammo while this shitty state drags their feet on the rifle application that I'm going to have to fill out and pay for. If it takes 1-2 years for me to get my license to prove that I can buy semi-auto ammo, I'm just going out of state, simple as that. Plus I can go pick up a vest that I cant buy here anymore.
Watch out for state troopers waiting to pull you over on the NY side of the border like they do in CA.
Not illegal to posses ammo legally purchased in PA. Nothing they can do about it.
They'll still try.
Wonder if they’ll try to chortle on these nuts too
EDIT: Yeah, probably
Username checks out
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
I lol’d, well done
Maybe just have a locked container and no guns in the vehicle. Idk this state sucks.
It does indeed suck.
Lock it in the trunk, and don’t give them PC for a search.
“Do I have permission to search your vehicle?”
“Absolutely fucking not.”
thtwhy you enter at one point and then exit pa at a different point
I think at that point id jusy go straight through to ohio. Less likely to ask questions.
Most stores already ask for a pistol permit for pistol calibers
What stores in ny ?
Not true. Just ID to verify age.
It's not close to me but i could have sworn I was asked for my pistol permit to buy 9mm at cabelas on walden Ave in Buffalo. I am not visibly under the age of 30.
Some do - It also was a prev safe cat requirement. BassPro in Auburn and Utica have asked to see my pistol permit to purchase ammo, and I am so obviously an old man.
Is this recently? I have never been asked to see my permit to buy 9mm at the Bass Pro in Utica. I haven't bought ammo from Bass Pro in about a year or so. I've been relying on online and an LGS that has some decent prices (slightly higher than Bass Pro but I'd rather give him $$ than Bass Pro).
I think it has been over a year now. They were always supposed to ask per NY law, but hadn't been for years. I bet they still train people to ask but not all checkout clerks do? I just know Ive been asked the last few times I've gone. I believe they had a sign up also. They had a limit on qty for sales, and so my wife purchased also so it would be worth the trip. She was also asked and wasn't happy about having to dig her permit out of her mess of a purse/wallet. Call them and ask - can't hurt.
I might just run in and buy a box or two of 9mm if the price is decent and test the process and see what they are currently doing.
I don't have a 9mm on my pistol permit so that'd be interesting to see what they say if I buy 9mm for my PCC. I imagine they won't even look to see what is on the permit.
They did not look - I just showed my first card which has no firearms on it (assuming other counties have multiple cards) Im not likely to go there now with the trip costing me a fortune in Gas but curious. Will edit my post if they aren't now.
The one by me 100% checks. Bought federal HST the other week and I was lucky I had my permit on me. She did however ask me if it was for a pistol and I did say yes. So you could just technically lie and not show a permit
Guns and Ammo manufacturers should rename all pistol calibers in to rifle calibers (LR) and AR15s to Muskets
Its a Federal requirement since 1968, you used to have to sign a ledger years ago when buying handgun ammo
Last time I was at dicks the cashier wouldn’t sell 10mm ammo unless I showed permit
You just have to say it’s for a rifle
They need a manager that knows that to override store policy
The one by me always just gives it to me. However now they redid the store and they don’t sell any guns or ammo so I don’t shop there anymore.
Yeah they asked, is this for rifle or pistol. So I figured it some store policy. Usually order online but they had a sale
Yes! They used to do this. I rmeber that
FWIW there is a big difference between showing a permit at purchase and actually doing a background check. Some places already ask for permit for 'pistol' ammo even if said ammo can be used in carbines.
A couple years ago, For a while dicks sporting goods required a pistol permit to buy pistol ammo.. but it didn’t last
So wait a second.
I don't need a permit to have my already owned AR but the second I want to buy ammo for it, I need to show a permit that I don't have because I don't need it?
Man. Thank god I’ve been stockpiling since they emptied the jails and started letting mobs of people destroy private property without consequences two years ago. RIP to my targetsportsusa premium membership
Rifles require a permit with the new law technically. With that type of writing only shotgun ammo can be purchased without a license...wtf.
Bolt action rifles are permitless
You expect them to differentiate.
I think any gun store that has a remote respect for the second amendment will not run a background check if you say the ammo is for a bolt action rifle
thats bs, so now i cant buy ammo for my pc9
i will just drive to pennsivania to buy ammo
Keep in mind, SAFE act already requires background checks (and a registry) for ammo, and it's never been implemented, because no system exists to do it.
This proposal doesn't create a system, it'll still be impossible, it won't be enforced.
Plus, the wording of "for a gun that requires a permit" makes it clear that you can just say "it's for my carbine/bolt action" and purchase without a background check. Stores like Dicks that require a permit for pistol ammo already operate like this.
Cabela's requires proof of pistol permit to purchase pistol ammo. I bought 9mm and they asked, "for a rifle or pistol?". I said pistol and they had to see my permit. Had I just said rifle, I'm assuming they would've just let it go anyway. It's like a screen door on a submarine, the law sounds great to a politician that has 0 idea about how guns work, but in practice make no sense, stop no crime, and are just a hassle for store employees and gun owners.
Everyone needs to call or text their assemblymen and give them encouragement for their fight today!!!!!
Too many questions..???
What happens to us semi automatic owners pre permit. ?
We don’t have permits, will this law only apply to new gun purchases..??
How will gun shops differentiate who gets to buy ammo ?
Yall see the ammo tax bill?
Honestly, I don’t see the big deal with showing pistol permit to buy pistol ammo.
The problem is that the most common pistol ammo also is used for rifles.
9mm, 10mm, .22LR, .40 cal, 5.7, .38, .357, and so on... all these are also rifle rounds, though the stores assume that they are pistol rounds.
In the Long Island Walmarts, you have to show a pistol permit to buy 9mm, with a 9mm pistol listed on the permit. (It happened to me)
Ruger PCC,. Marlin Camp 9, High point, ARs, all come in 9mm and are rifles.
The other problem is overreach. Why should ammo be restricted? Billions of rounds are shot off every year safely. Criminals should be restricted, not ammo.
What if it isn't for a pistol?
Yeah I guess that doesn’t make sense
It’s not a big deal if you have the license but ny didn’t require licenses for rifle/shotguns prior to this. For those of us in nyc we were already living under these rules. Just wait to see if they try to reduce your rifle/shotgun capacity to frickin five and then come back and complain. It can always get worse with ny. The background check portion is a waste of time and money though for licensed people.