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Grendel1565

10mm Vector


wiggity-wack

Vector sells the lowers by themselves. Just hard to find stock https://www.rainierarms.com/kriss-vector-sdp-gen-2-complete-lower-receiver-pistol-semi-5-5-threaded-barrel-bolt-9x19-black/


Grendel1565

Ahh wasn't sure. Can never find them in stock. Thought they might have stopped selling the receivers.


wiggity-wack

They are just never in stock. I called vector once to try and find one they been shipping mostly full guns. That’s why


TheBugmunch

Would love to do a Cz Bren 2!


dr_bund

i have an 11" bren 2 AOW. HIGHLY recommend doing one!


wiggity-wack

Send me your email.


EkS22

maybe not a terrible idea to wait a little while to see what happens with aft proposed pistol brace rule change and see how that affects us in NJ? ​ buuuut, would love a proper imported krink


45TRP

This. I’m going give it a bit and see how it goes.


[deleted]

Why? There’s tons of AOWs without braces. From TEC-9 and MAC clones, Uzi clones, HK pattern, etc. AOWs are a way to get around the idiotic handgun feature requirements in this state, imo. Since weight and barrel shroud / detachable mag aren’t factored in .. you can go pretty crazy with AOW builds.


EkS22

I’m not saying not to aow firearms, I’m saying before you spend 3k on an apc9k assuming you can keep it a braced aow, understand that there is pending rule change possibility (probability) that will affect the stamp. Who knows if we would need to reapply for no charge or change the classification of AOWs since we applied with a length which may have included brace if it doesn’t fold, and ton of other variables. Understand that if you are going to aow something without caring if it has a brace or not, go for it but if you do care about how it actually shoots and don’t just want it for cool factor and hip firing without shouldering, I’d wait, and this is coming from someone with more than a few AOWs. NJ is different in the sense that we can’t just have the aow in a pistol form and there are more hoops to jump through so changes from atf absolutely affects us more than other free states. If you don’t care about the ATF rule changes, then you probably didn’t care about any sbr rules to begin with and god bless you and Godspeed patriot


Freidam1

I am very interested in this: https://palmettostatearmory.com/grand-power-stribog-9mm-pistol-with-sb-folding-brace-black-sp9a1-sb.html I’m guessing it would be 1 stamp for the length, unsure if I need a 2nd stamp for the brace. Any insight is appreciated. In this case, the upper is serialized and the lower is not, so it can be shipped straight to the house.


wiggity-wack

The B&T is in stock with him now and very similar. He has APC9s and ks too


Fightmeirlbr0

APC9K - can you send more info on how to order?


wiggity-wack

Message me your email. He has them in stock


Fightmeirlbr0

pm sent


HallackB

I’m confused. Why not just obtain a virgin lower transferred as an other and form 1 it yourself?


ScornDefeat87

Because that only works for AR platform. The coolest AOW options aren't AR platform stuff. It's HK, B&T, AK-Platform, CZ, etc. stuff


wiggity-wack

Certain companies like B&T do not sell just the receivers by themself


HallackB

Ahhhhh


wiggity-wack

CZ is another example. Some companies you can get it. Some you can’t. This is for the stuff you can’t obv


ScornDefeat87

I'd be so in for a B&T GHM9 lol


wiggity-wack

Send me your email address


AlcidesM3

Hey do you mind connecting me too?


wiggity-wack

Send me ur name and email


sidetoss20

is the FFL willing to just hold the non-compliant pistol until the AOW form is approved and do whatever conversion is needed? Why the extra step with remanning?


wiggity-wack

Doesn’t work like that. If you try to take a pistol in this state and file form 1 it will be denied as it becomes an assault weapon. It goes on his books as a pistol. He reman it to a firearm. Leaves his books as such. You can only file form 1 on a firearm in this state. Hence why he needs to turn it from a pistol into a firearm for you. Further if it leaves him an aow you need an sot to transfer it to you on a form 4. That’s a 1 year wait time.


sidetoss20

Gotcha. Thanks for letting me know, this makes more sense now.


[deleted]

You’re wrong. You can Form 1 a handgun in NJ. Perfectly legal to do so. I have a Form 1 Intratec AB-10 (essentially a TEC-9) that’s no longer a “pistol” under NJ law. I’m up to 9 tax stamps so far, I’ve gone over this with ATF numerous times. You can Form 1 a Glock 17 and throw a forward grip on it, same result. SOTs cannot legally manufacture a Form 1 firearm for you. However, they get around this by claiming “repair” or “gunsmithing”. If you have an approved form 1, you can send the firearm in for conversion and it would ship directly back to you…..


wiggity-wack

I don't think I am wrong here. I have just as many as you and was the 1st person in the state to get an approved form 1 on a lower receiver. During my quest, Local ATF in Newark legit got my question from ask the experts about form 1-ing a glock 17 they stated it could not under state law it would become an assault weapon.


[deleted]

You’re not building an assault weapon. Once that pistol is on the NFA registry, it’s no longer subject to NJ’s assault weapon laws. ATF wouldn’t have approved the stamp if it were in violation of local/state law. Only two firearms can be converted to AOWs in our state, others and pistols. You cannot build a Form 1 AOW that was never a firearm (eg, pen or cane gun). When the Intratec build is complete I’ll put up a build post with stamp, parts list, etc.


wiggity-wack

I’m interested in seeing it. But like I said I got denied a form 1 aow on a g19 did it as a test. It was pending research then in process for about 8 months. And I have emails from atf examiners, local atf and I know they called the AGs office per what they reference in the email. There is a statement in the assault weapon terminology that made atf believe building out of an owned pistol while in the feds eye it’s OK in the states it would be an assault weapon.


[deleted]

Just curious, did you contact them before submitting the form 1? I don’t want to name anyone openly on here but assuming you went through Newark with your question - was it a guy (name begins with a C) or one of the women (name begins with a T, P or K). You can direct message me on here.. I learned to never contact Newark unless absolutely necessary. That’s the same field office that initially lied and told me C&R licenses were ILLEGAL to issue in NJ. When they started dragging their feet and realized I was aware of the Hughes Amendment and wouldn’t stop pushing the issue - attitudes and answers started to change… Some of them are helpful and knowledgeable, but it’s a crap shoot as to who you get.


wiggity-wack

DM-ing you.


[deleted]

Newark field division also tried to tell me that all AOWs and “others” built in NJ were illegal. NFA branch in WV wouldn’t say anything bad about them (obviously) but I got the impression that they weren’t impressed .. each one has been approved since.


TomT2411

So this dude has a 07 and going to log it into his books then log it out and log it back in with a different serial number on the receiver since he has an 07 so technically he manufactured it?. Then log it back in then out to your Choice of FFL?


wiggity-wack

Ding ding ding. Per his IOI he doesn’t need to change the serial number though. He does this a lot with factory SBRs he takes the stock off so it leaves him a pistol let’s people do form 1 and then mails them the stock.


Kip-ft

VZ61 VZ61 VZ61 VZ61 Words cannot describe my desire to AOW one of these fuckers


wiggity-wack

Tough. I don’t know where a vertical grip is going


Kip-ft

Right here: https://islemfg.com/vz-61-optic-mount/


beardedjudicator

I've been dreaming of AOWing a CZ Scorpion for like 2 years now.


wiggity-wack

message me your name and email and i will connect you with the FFL


AlcidesM3

Did anyone get the email/ in contact with the FFL?


brookswillhelmhausII

Hey - I’m looking grab a BT TP9 sometime soon (next month ish) and unsure where I can have someone help me out to make it NJ legal other. If you’re still looking to lend a hand in brokering us between the right guys who can help, please let me know. Thank you for the help.