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GatewayMaster

Nice. I love seeing AOWs that aren’t ARs!


[deleted]

Thanks! I have a Serbu shorty up next… and a few other kits 😎


vorfix

Oh, that would be an interesting one. You have me interested now... Where are you finding a parts kit for them? Would also need to source 870 or Mossberg virgin receivers too.


[deleted]

No, you start out with a TAC14 and send it off to a guy in Mississippi that performs the conversion. Total cost with tax is about $1,500 maybe a hundred or so less. That includes a TAC14, tax stamp, and conversion parts / labor. I spoke to Mark Serbu and he said they’ve discontinued them. I offered to pay a very nice premium to have him build me one and it was a no go. It’s as close as you’ll get to a true Super Shorty pump from Serbu. You could also build a double barrel AOW in 20GA… but I can’t find any stripped receivers that are truly “Virgin”


CarlWinslo9

Me too, build one


Imjustsayingbro

God DAMN son. What receiver? Converted parts or a semi kit? C'mon details!


[deleted]

Original IMI military parts kit. Converted semi auto bolt, cheap aftermarket K grip that doesn’t have the best fit (only thing I could find for a vertical front grip).. but we all know this is a one handed shooter … er, BLASTER!


Imjustsayingbro

Nice, McKay receiver? I did a bit of research a year back and was considering doing an uzi AOW build. The inability to find gimped mags (not to mention the travesty it would be) and spotty parts availability turned me off though and I did a UMP instead.


[deleted]

Yup. And right now is a god awful time for Uzi parts.. I bought my kits last year from a major distributor when they were dirt cheap… like $159 a kit. Pining the mags is easy, family in Florida takes care of that for me. I really want to do a UMP AOW but not sure where to start..


Imjustsayingbro

You start with a Tommybuilt TMP or Omega Gideon Shadow Gen 2 stripped virgin receiver.... and be prepared to play the accumulate necessary parts over a while game. Or say screw it and pay $2500 on a parts kit that will need additional conversion work done.


[deleted]

Good to know, I’m stuck between an MP5K AOW or the UMP. I have to weigh both and see which route to take


Imjustsayingbro

They'll both cost you about the same in the end. The difference is that a UMP can (for the most part) be built by a well educated chimp whereas an mp5 needs welding and pressing of parts. Also UMP receivers are actually available.


[deleted]

Awesome, thank you for the info! I’ll check into this


[deleted]

Israeli parts kit build.


wolfeman2120

So it's not really an uzi? Aren't those on the ban list. Well now that I looked at again. As long as it isn't rifle, pistol, shotgun. Then I guess the ban list doesn't apply.


[deleted]

By chance, NJSP were at my dealer when the receivers showed up. They checked them out and gave it the green light. As long as it’s not marked Uzi and it’s NJ compliant, it’s technically legal. Similar to the AK loophole.


TacticalBoyScout

Not a "loophole," simply following the law :)


[deleted]

😎👍


[deleted]

But when you build an AOW, you can get away with evil features. You could build one as “other” but 26” OAL applies. AOWs can be as short as you’d like.


Honky-Lips

I thought they needed a cheek rest or forearm brace to be an aow?


[deleted]

Nope. AOWs can vary from cane guns, knife guns, ballistic knives, pen guns, a Glock with a vertical front grip… all of those are considered AOWs. Even a TAC14 shotgun can become a nice “AOW” with a regular pistol grip and folding front vertical grip / shortened barrel…


Bananaman829

😍


[deleted]

I was going to roll mark it “New Jersey Ghetto Blaster 2021”


Hutz5000

That’s almost exactly the level at which I would place this firearm.


[deleted]

Looks like something out of a police evidence locker from the 80’s. It’s a big middle finger to NJ lawmakers who still prohibit us from owning an M1 carbine.


sixrocket

Might end up doing this to get my hands on a legal Vz61 - how bad was the process? Wish SBR was legal - AOW kinda defeats the purpose of that folding stock.


[deleted]

A VZ AOW would be amazing 😎


sixrocket

I'd just really miss the stock - perhaps buying the receiver and simply sitting on it until escape is possible would be the better solution.


[deleted]

Or you could AOW it.. and when you leave NJ, strip it down and notify ATF… it’ll be removed from the NFA registry. Apply for a SBR and boom. At least you could run it as an AOW while in NJ and have some fun with it.


sixrocket

Did not know that was a thing, interesting. Perhaps I shall, then.


kevin117s5

I thought uzis are banned by name in nj


[deleted]

Not stamped Uzi, NJSP firearms unit was at the FFL the day the stripped receivers came in (compliance inspection) and gave it the green light.. McKay enterprise or century arms UC9 receivers are legal. Form 1 it with the ATF and build an AOW or just build a carbine. The Norinco “Uzi” carbines are also legal in NJ.. but they’re getting up there in price for a carbine.


rhyminreazon

The state police actually came when it was being delivered to inspect it! Lol


[deleted]

Essentially… and they gave it the green light lol. We’re lucky. The current FIU head is a very pro gun guy… not like others in the past. That’s why you now have “others” and AOWs being built in NJ.


Hutz5000

You have this “green light” in writing?


[deleted]

Nope, it’s a stripped receiver. It’s a registered AOW with the ATF. NJ is well aware it exists. Same as the Norinco Uzi carbines floating around NJ. AOW and “other” firearms are also not subject to the NJ assault weapons ban..


[deleted]

In other words, this is not a pistol/rifle/shotgun by definition of the law..


bogibney1

I've got my Norinco with the big boy wood stock, it's very cool.


[deleted]

Norinco turned out some awesome guns. Built like tanks. Everyone always says “it’s made in China” well, the Chinese make some high quality weapons.


kevin117s5

Interesting. Could you just build out a pistol and not do a AOW?


[deleted]

I’m assuming you could… but the AOW route was good insurance. No dealer would transfer those receivers as a pistol when I asked before… everyone’s afraid to touch something like this …


always_an_eagle

This is awesome!


[deleted]

AMERICAN AS F&$K… in our HORRIBLE state.


always_an_eagle

I been thinking about finding a Norinco 320 rifle to fill that need for a Uzi variant for quite some time. Just because it does not say Uzi on the receiver


[deleted]

Get one, I had one about 6 years ago and paid $500 for it. Stupid me sold it. It wasn’t the best gun I’ve ever owned, but it shot fine and I put a fixed wood stock on it (with a bolt to keep it from detaching…)


always_an_eagle

How was the build quality on it? $500 is a steal. I see them go up to $1200 bucks on Gunjoker


[deleted]

It was a great gun for the price. It didn’t malfunction on me and was reliable. I didn’t shoot it much, maybe a few hundred rounds. I’d love to get another… but right now people are paying insane amounts for them


RocanMotor

Thinking out loud-since the magazine is in the grip couldn't you just build a pistol?


[deleted]

No idea how it would go over with the state, or who would transfer it as a pistol. Honestly, at that point, you’d be better off with a mini or micro clone


afrat3

She came out beauty, love to see it!


musclecarmarcus

Question: would a semi auto uzi be legal under NJ law as a pistol without going the aow route? The mag loads into the grip… therefore pistol no?


[deleted]

My understanding is yes. It would be legal. Good luck finding a dealer that will transfer it. Trust me, I’ve tried. I had the chance to buy a Mini Uzi clone pistol that wasn’t marked Uzi and nobody would touch it.


GuidedPrism

What was the cost all together?


[deleted]

$1,400 with the tax stamp. Somewhere thereabouts. Maybe a little less. The receivers run 300-400 depending on who you get them from (century UC9 or a McKay), parts kit $300, bolt $300, miscellaneous parts $100, and the tax $200.


GuidedPrism

Not too bad, did you build it yourself?


[deleted]

Yup, kitchen table project. Not too hard to build, finish didn’t come out that good on the receiver (IMO) but I was going for that “Been there, done that” look. It looks like something out of a 80’s confiscation locker lol


Careless-Bus-8680

Would I need a pistol permit for this?


twin_bed

No. This is not a pistol. It has both a forward grip and a stock, indicating that it was designed to be fired with two hands


Careless-Bus-8680

Can you convert this into 9 mil?


[deleted]

This is in 9mm. It’s a closed bolt, semi automatic 9mm “AOW”


Careless-Bus-8680

How long did the process take for you?


[deleted]

To build it? A few hours. Paperwork? 22 days from date of submission to ATF. Basic hand tools, nothing special. Receiver is from McKay enterprise.


Careless-Bus-8680

What do you recommend first before going all about this?


[deleted]

My first recommendation would be to locate a receiver. You have options, McKay enterprise or century arms UC9. Black Market Arms has UC9 Uzi receivers in stock (best bet is to google “black market arms uc9” for the link). Alternatively, wait for McKay to build another batch of receivers. They seem to do them a few times per year.. Get the receiver, file the ATF paperwork and while you wait for that to come back, locate the semi auto bolt and striker assembly. You will also need to either find a semi auto trigger group or modify the existing one with a block to prevent the selector from going to full auto. ATF is very picky about that. Next is to take apart the top cover and remove a piece that’s not needed for the closed bolt gun. Original Uzi smg are open bolt and have a ratcheting top cover… that won’t work as-is on a semi auto build. The rest is just removing old parts like the front and rear sight from the parts kit, etc. needle nose pliers, small flat head screwdrivers. Punch and hammer. Very simple tools… Two things to keep in mind… the receiver has a “denial” rail aka a blocking bar welded on the inner right side. Do not attempt to grind, file or modify that bar in any way… ATF would consider it a machine gun at that point. That bar is to prevent a full auto smg bolt from simply dropping in. I do no recommend converting the full auto bolt yourself. If you screw up; the bolt is classified as a machine gun (many of the pre-1986 full auto Uzi were built with “slotted” bolts”). Just buy a semi auto bolt to play it safe or send yours out to a professional for conversion.


Careless-Bus-8680

Ever fire it? I hope this is something that’ll be spot on!!


[deleted]

We will find out next week. Hopefully it’s reasonably accurate.. even if it isn’t, it’s an Uzi 😅


[deleted]

You could convert this from 9mm into a 45 or even a 22. Be advised, the 22 kits aren’t cheap. The best bang for your buck is to keep it in 9mm


Careless-Bus-8680

That was my plan


Stolenbikeguy

I’d love to be there when this guy gets pulled over lol


[deleted]

I’d hand them the Form 1 from the ATF and remain silent. No comment. Think I’ll get a night search too? Or a cavity search?


Markymiddy

I've been out of the AOW in the know for a while now, what makes this legal? The vertical foregrip? Do you have a fixed magazine?


[deleted]

Vertical grip.. you need some kind of vertical grip. Unfortunately, this vertical K grip doesn’t fit that well… but it serves its purpose. I’ll have to do some hand fitting down the road.


Markymiddy

Thanks bro. What would I need to do for a 22lr AR-15 AOW? :o


[deleted]

Get a stripped receiver, form 1 it through the atf website. Pay $200 tax and send fingerprints in. You can still have a brace, or just the receiver extension/buffer tube. Just add a vertical fore grip and you are good to go. Alternatively, build a nice “other” and get around the tax stamp. Disadvantage being the OAL overall length must be 26+ inches. With the AOW, you can go as short as you want… put a 2” barrel on it if you’d like, and it’s legal 😅


Markymiddy

Once my build is finished, I will send you a picture!


[deleted]

No problem. If you need help with the paperwork aspect just let me know.


Markymiddy

Many many many thanks man. Going to be doing a CMMG banshee build. Got into 22 rimfire recently and I feel like I just rediscovered shooting!


Hutz5000

Why does anybody think this is a useful weapon, not being fully automatic? It’s clumsy, and easily outclassed by any decent pistol, CZ 75, Browning hi power, 1911 9 mm, All of which are subject to the same 10 round magazine cap. The whole point of the Uzi is to have a short weapon that fits inside of a tank For the crew, and it really only works if you have both hands on it, just like a pistol which works more intuitively and is more accurate because you can aim it better. And, this is harder to conceal so that you’re forced to wear a trenchcoat or whatever. Pointless BS. Unless of course it’s fully automatic, and then the ability to spray a lot of rounds overcomes some of the other limitations, except that in NJ you can’t have any fully automatic weapons as a matter of state law, right? It’s not quite the assassin’s weapon that a Mac 10 is, but it’s very close. And I say it’s junk. But it’s very tacticool.


[deleted]

It’s a range toy. It’s not designed to be practical. Practical is G17 I keep on my nightstand for HD… You must not be familiar with the AOW trend going around NJ.. this is the only way to legally own something like this in our great state. You’re not getting a Machine Gun license issued.. so FA is out of the question. You can’t buy or build SBR short barreled rifles with a stock in NJ… that leaves only one option. It’s nostalgic, it’s unique and it’s a range toy. This isn’t something I’d trust my life with. I have no hesitation in saying that. I wouldn’t suggest anyone build one of these as a HD weapon, either. Better options exist for that role.