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Azuron_GTR

Thank you Fox... Missed the beginning of this truck race earlier, so I decided to just record the re-airing on FS2 in the evening so I could catch the whole thing then. So I just was watching it go and come 15 laps to go or so, a yellow comes out for a crash and after a cut to commercial... a Radio-active special is what comes on, rather than the actual end to the race. I've heard the ending might have been controversial or something, but just cutting it completely out of a re-airing for a prerecorded studio clip show... Geez...


Campman92

Any word what happens to Deegans crew member after his brain fade?


KentuckyHorsepower

Matty D!!! YES!!!


furrynoy96

Congrats to Matt


Trooper1056

It's been a tough year but it's all finally paid off, so happy for Matty D ❤️


Megantheegelding

I’m going to say this one last time. Last I could find, NASCAR requires drivers to have SFI 3.2A/5 rated suits which, according to SFI themselves, [protect a driver from second degree burns for 10 seconds](https://sfifoundation.com/article-1/). A second degree burn is damage to the top two layers of skin. It’s when you get blisters. I imagine that feeling on a significant portion of your body. After a crash that big, it must be assumed there is, or will be, a fire. The engine contains two highly flammable fluids that, when exposed to heat, like the environment on the outside of the engine, cause a large fire. Those fluids are moved through relatively thin lines that can, and routinely do, come disconnected from the engine in the event of a crash, exposing those fluids to the combustible environment. Just because a fire doesn’t immediately occur does not mean it can’t happen at any moment. Even assuming NASCAR now requires 3.2A/20 rated suits for drivers, buying them 40 seconds of being on fire, people can go unconscious from oxygen loss in as little as 30 seconds. For those of you relentlessly blasting “3 suCcEnDs DeRn’T mAtTeR”, you are very, very wrong and you should feel very, very bad for being a selfish and dangerous individual. This shit is all readily available to you. Stop being a bad person, use the resources at your disposal, and learn something. I can’t fucking believe I’ve had to spend an hour telling supposed race fans who claim to be adults the dangers of fire and why it’s important to not take it lightly after a race where a driver was hospitalized because of fire. I am disappointed this is how you choose to represent our community publicly. This place spends all week demanding better safety and then can’t fathom why the people they’re demanding safety from are making the safe decision.


goatse-dot-cx

You deserve an award for this. Bang fucking on.


RaikkonensHobby74

>This shit is all readily available to you. It isn't, the rulebook isn't public.


Megantheegelding

You are correct. But then again learning about what dangers those involved in a race car crash are subjected to, just how quickly and severely those dangers can change, the safety features at their disposal, how those safety features work, the extent to which those safety features work, and why it’s important driver safety maintain priority over your entertainment isn’t in the rule book. So I guess you aren’t correct after all.


RaikkonensHobby74

🙄😒


STL_bourbon

I agree with you about safety. But to counter all what you wrote, I’d bet not a single driver lifted for the caution there. To go even further their spotters probably didn’t even tell them there was a yellow. It was that close to the line. So yes, as you mentioned seconds can and so matter. But that close to the line of the drivers themselves aren’t lifting, no point in the caution


Megantheegelding

Oh, no. They did. You could see half of them slow down noticeably. Also, policy is emergency vehicles can’t go out on a green flag track, so keeping the green flag out only served to add time to which several drivers were under higher than normal risk of severe injury, and that’s unacceptable to suggest.


STL_bourbon

Lol yeah those guys battling for the win really had the brakes locked up to slow down. That front pack wasn’t slowing up at all


Megantheegelding

Hey. Guy. There’s more people on track than the guy in front. Like the people behind the crash, for example. And that doesn’t change the fact emergency vehicles can’t go out on a green flagged track, nor does it change the fact that suggesting adding time to which a person is subject to a higher-than-usually dangerous environment for your entertainment is unacceptable and and makes you a bad person. It’s been two fucking hours and you still haven’t gathered how dangerous fire is even though a driver that participated in that very race is currently in a hospital after being burned. You witnessed the danger and severity of fire first hand. I fully explained to you precisely how short of protection a driver’s fire suit offers any protection for, and you continue to be selfish, thinking your entertainment is more important than driver’s safety. There is no excuse for your continued ignorance. You should be ashamed of that. Your parents should be ashamed they didn’t do a better job raising a human with acceptable morals. It would behoove you to take the rest of your weekend, using resources at your disposal, to educate yourself just how dangerous race car crashes of that nature can be and why it’s important time not be wasted, even if it turns out everything worked out ok. You have this opportunity to make yourself a better person, I would suggest you use it.


STL_bourbon

This is hilarious. I’m a bad person for having a different opinion than you about the end of a race. Enjoy your weekend bud


Megantheegelding

No. You’re a bad person because your opinion is wildly dangerous, not because it’s not the same as mine. You’re a bad person because I specifically described just how dangerous it was, and why it was dangerous, and rather than learning something, you continue to argue against the safety measures. You watched a driver get injured by fire, then you watched two drivers get into a crash that significantly increases the likelihood of fire, then you had someone tell you specifically how little time safety features provide, and you still think it’s acceptable to sit with your Cheeto thumbs all over your phone and “but muh finnich! I want tha finnich!” That’s why you’re a bad person. And rather than learning from someone who knows more than you, you continue to argue because you apparently can’t fathom doing something that’s in the best interest of someone else if it means you don’t get what you want. That’s why you’re a bad person. Sort that shit out and I won’t have to tell you you’re a bad person.


STL_bourbon

This is entertaining


Megantheegelding

Yeah that’s how bad people generally react to being told they’re bad people. Kinda a catch-22, you know? Decent people get told to check themselves and they just shut up and do it. Like, a decent person would be told how little protection a fire suit actually offers, like I did to you, and they’d say “oh shit, I didn’t expect it to be that short! You’re right. It’s best we don’t subject people to more risk of fire than necessary!” Because they’re decent people, they know being burned severely sucks, and don’t want to see that to happen to people unnecessarily. But you, you’re still worried about your entertainment and you don’t care who has to get hurt for you to get what you want.


STL_bourbon

You should check yourself. Since you’re so decent I suppose you’ll now go do that since some random person said so


Beneficial_Rip6520

Thought this thread would be mad just because who won. They shouldn’t throw caution there tho. They need an “race to the finish” line somewhere on the backstretch so if a wreck happens after that point then they just let them finish


LionHeart_1990

#ONE OF THE BEST RECOVERIES I HAVE EVER SEEN


SammysGotAGun

Popped back onto Reddit for the first time in awhile to say……. Proud of you, DiBurrito. ❤️


NoNamesLeft24

WOOOOOOOOOOO!


GEL29

Next year just run demo derbys at the plate tracks, you'd get the same result and it would be safer.


pjb4466

Bro these high notes LMAO


WheedMBoise

Man oh man they botched that finish. You have to penalize one of either the 25 or 99. You can't let them both get away with it. It should've been the 99 of course, but still. Also i'm sick and tired of cautions less than 500 - 700 feet from the s/f line. Nobody ever slows down for those. It has 0 value from a safety point of view, all it does is ruin the finish of the race.


ooooofda

25 has nothing to get penalized for, went to pass Rhodes clean and Rhodes tried to send him to the grass. Never once did the 25 go across the double yellow without the 99 forcing him below it.


WheedMBoise

I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m trying to say. My point was in any instance, one of the two trucks should be getting penalized if they insist on keeping this broken rule. I was only saying the 25 was one of these trucks.


Ok_Relationship2451

The only reason I think they didn't penalize the 99 was he was in the playoffs and gets a free pass. It's bs and what people should focus on over the caution 200' before the finish.


ooooofda

Fair enough! Yeah I agree someone should get a penalty for it, whether it was a *really* bad block or purposeful to put Matty D in that situation Rhodes should get some kind of penalty. I’d imagine like in the other two series they’ll be more lenient to Rhodes because he’s a playoff driver.


IndycarFan64

As a Rhodes fan, he should be penalized for forcing below the yellow line


MKT_Pro

I thought you couldn’t pass below the line even if you was forced? You *will* get penalized and the guy doing the forcing *may* be penalized. That’s why most of the time they back up and get back in line after being forced down.


MKT_Pro

https://youtu.be/PZDmoEJFy7o Yep I was right. Holmes won this race!


Blazethesol52

2022 has been a rough year for Nascar. Feel like Holmes should have won that thing, but whatever. Is what it is


agravain

it's a what??


KnightRising21

NASCAR says they threw the caution because they needed Trucks to slow down.


MKT_Pro

They wouldn’t even notice a caution when focusing on coming to the checkers


colbygraves97

Yeah, well they were all backwards.


rubellak

SUPER SICK REDDIT CAR!


Don_Kieballs

I don’t get why everyone is so upset here. You have trucks wrecking everywhere including the guy who ended up winning, how the hell do they not throw a caution? Also, if Dibenedetto isn’t illegally forced below the yellow line and ultimately wrecked by Rhodes, he probably beats Holmes back to the line anyways. He had a massive run through the tri oval and genuinely deserves this win.


kingoden95

I think Holmes did beat Matt to the line by .002 of a second, at least that’s what MRN stated at the track, I could be wrong, I’m all good with Matt winning.


dacomell

Yes, he did. They made that very clear on the broadcast that Holmes beat Dibby to the line by .002, they showed the replay of that and everything.


ecupatsfan12

Good for Matt


88Caniac88

I'm just here for all the Hailie haters that can f off


GEL29

Hitting tire carriers and taking names.


massiebeck

Talladeegan!


WubbaBallace

Uh ok lol


PhobicFatty

A single top 10 wow.


TheRealCheeser97

Well, 2. Lol.


AJ130

Actually 3.


TheRealCheeser97

Yeah. But I meant this season.


AJ130

2 it is then. Career high as well.


TheRealCheeser97

Yeah. Next year she needs way better luck.


TheRealCheeser97

Oh God. You shouldn't have said this. ***Here they come!***


DocterSteveBrule

Preece’s average finish even better now lol


TheRealCheeser97

I felt like he was invisible all day. Where did he even finish?


NoNamesLeft24

4th, he was pushing Matt at the end


TheRealCheeser97

Oh cool. Does he have SHR support when he drives the 17?


CoyotePowered50

The 17 is DGR flagship truck.


TheRealCheeser97

Oh okay. Guess thats why it's so OP. Lol.


CoyotePowered50

Plus Chad Johnston is the 17's crew chief, brings alot of Cup experience to the 17. Plus I was talking to a friend of mine who works at DGR, the 17 has gotten 5 brand new chassis this year. The 15 has gotten 2 and the 1 has gotten 2, 1 of which was a purpose built dirt truck at the Bristol Dirt race...the truck that was wrecked in practice after a blown tire. Between the 15 and 1 being involved in wrecks this year, the teams were constantly rebuilding and fixing trucks vs getting better. The Chassis that Deegan drove today was a built in 2019.


TheRealCheeser97

Damn. Is that why she was so slow without anyone in front of her? Also, made me wonder what she could've done at Bristol with the purpose built truck.


CoyotePowered50

Idk why but her truck was much better in the draft then by its self. Some cars/trucks are like that. As far as Bristol she was FAST but blew a RF in practice. The truck she finished P17 in, in the race was a 1.5 mile truck. I got the passenger side door on my wall from the wrecked truck. This year could have been much better with some luck. She was P7 at Daytona before the wreck P12 at Texas before being fenced by Bodine P11 at Nashville before being wrecked by Gutierrez P12 at Sonoma before blowing a RF tire. Ohh and had a chance at a top 10 at Bristol but restarts. So last 2 races Bristol and Dega she ran well in both races. I'm curious to see how she takes to Homestead it will be her first time there.


TheRealCheeser97

Shit luck. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's hard being a Custer and Deegan fan. They both have the shittiest luck ever.


Megantheegelding

This is absolutely ridiculous. If you’re over the age of 16 and complaining about not getting 3 seconds at the finish of the same race in which 3 seconds very much made a difference for Jordan Anderson, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you’re under 16, take this opportunity to learn how not to be when you do turn 16.


TheRealCheeser97

Bruh?


Megantheegelding

I already ELI5’d it to someone else. You’ll find it.


whathappenb

Bro what?


Megantheegelding

An alarming amount of people are complaining about throwing the yellow at the end, saying they should have left it green, because 3 seconds for emergency vehicles to get to the 51 and 9 after a huge crash wouldn’t have mattered. Not 3 hours before, Jordan Anderson had an incident where 3 seconds very much mattered. Those people who are saying 3 seconds didn’t matter and they should have left it green because it would have been more entertaining for them should be ashamed of themselves. Anyone 16 or older should know better. Those under the age of 16 should use this opportunity to learn something and not be one of those people so they don’t publicly confirm they are in fact idiots by suggesting 3 seconds isn’t important when we just saw an example of why it is.


Nscr44_

You can see from the replay that there was no cars past the accident. Nobody was on fire or needed assistance. There was hard hits but 3 seconds wouldn't cause more harm to anyone involved in the accident. Also I feel terribly ashamed right now. Ashamed for waisting my time writing this. I am sorry I should know better that I said something you didn't agree with. Hell if they didn't throw a caution maybe someone would die. I am just so saddened by myself.


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Nscr44_

Count to three, one, two, three. Let's say I'm Heim and my leg is broken. Do you think this does anything? Yeah I get out of the car sooner. But 3 seconds wouldn't do anything because the damage has been done. Now let's go to Jordans crash sense you have mentioned it in every single comment. I am burning up and also possibly injured. I get out of the car sooner, which saves me from burning for longer, which I can agree those 3 seconds would matter in this case. Do you get the comparison? Nobody was in immediate harm. Maybe we're hurt but not still in harm. So maybe stop drawing a comparison, because these crashes were different. Now on the matter of the last part, which was funny to me. Hopefully you are done arguing because I am waisting your precious time. Also how do you know what my parents think of me? If you know my parents why don't you come over and we can talk in person, like adults ya know. But hey instead you can throw insults at me like a child. Hey, maybe if you come over I can teach you how to use grammar properly. I'm sorry, that one slipped.


Megantheegelding

>Do you think this does anything. Yes. When you’re leg is broken, should the truck be on fire, 3 seconds of being on fire and breathing in toxic fumes does something. Don’t be fucking ridiculous. People can go unconscious from lack of oxygen in as little as 30 seconds. Safety personnel obviously can’t teleport, so if they have to drive 20 seconds to get to the crash, 3 seconds is 30% of their allotted time to take action. Smoke from vehicle fires not only prevents someone from getting oxygen to their brain, which is dangerous in itself, the chemicals actively damage lung tissue. Fire suits protect against burns for roughly 15 seconds, maybe less. 3 seconds is 20% of that time. And until safety personnel can confirm there isn’t a fire, it must be assumed there is one. Yeah. 3 seconds is important. Never, ever argue with someone who is much smarter than you.


Nscr44_

You know, that argument would work, if like someone was on fire. Looking at the footage, there was no fire, or at least anything big that could cause harm. My example was comparing a broken leg to a large fire, not a large fire and a broken leg to a large fire. Also the caution came out AS the cars were wrecking. There was over 30 seconds before the crews could get to the drivers anyways, because they were still crashing. Your statistic doesn't save a driver had they passed out in 30 seconds since they were still crashing. The crash would have to be over before the safety team can get there. Also the final sentence is again really funny to me. Do you like talking down to people? Does that make you feel better? You can certainly do that to me, but it only works once you make a point that fits in this situation.


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Nscr44_

https://youtu.be/PI04vNaScfI Don't see a fire on Perkins, don't know about Sauter or Heim after that initial shot but to me I don't see any huge or dangerous fire.


Rybo13

Yes, throw the caution for the vehicle that's NOT disabled on the race track.


Megantheegelding

Who’s talking about a non-disabled car?


SigmaKnight

Has anyone explained why Rhodes deployed a parachute to allow DiBenedetto and Holmes to pass him?


ooooofda

He had Holmes pushing him and Dibenedetto pushing Holmes. Holmes goes to pass Rhodes and side drafts. Rhodes moved up to block Holmes, Marty D goes to the inside, Rhodes has no momentum from no pushers and getting side drafted, and proceeds to door slam Matty D taking all the momentum he had left.


EliteKilla29

Feels like I'm scrolling through Facebook comments on here. Congratulations to Matt Dibenedetto! Yes he messed up last year but God damn people acting like he murdered someone with how much hate he gets. He even acknowledged in his interview that he made some bad decisions in the past. I guess nascar fans ain't that forgiven though. Hopefully him and this 25 team continue to grow and be a consistent front runner in the future. That finish was a mess and once again nascar puts themselves in a tough situation by throwing out a caution when their only a few feet away from the finish line. All it does is create controversy. Same thing with the yellow line rule. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever


dfisher1225

Preach!


crypto6g

This is always one of the wackiest races of the year. Last 4 years have had, in order, 2019: yellow line controversy 2020: photo finishes when caution called on last lap 2021: wrecking across the line 2022: this year was somehow *all of those three things combined*


kingoden95

It all came together


markh0120

lets not forget a driver jumped out of his car going at least 50mph and considered jumping out when he was going even faster. on a live race track, in a truck that was a fireball. and then a pit crew guy ran out into the grass during live pit stops to chase a tire.


remfan477

Trucks have devolved into ARCA, and I am here for it lol


GEL29

NASCAR has devolved into ARCA


markh0120

haha same. arca is not gonna be around for much longer anyways


TheLuxuryofSilence

I've always thought that if the caution comes out coming to the checkered flag that they call the winner as whoever hit the line first. Exceptions would be if the leaders were the ones wrecking or if cars were in the way of the leaders.


ooooofda

No, it’s always been the next scoring loop as the caution is called. Sometimes it’s more clear cut because the leaders don’t change as the caution is called. This has happened before at Talladega, Elliott Sadler winning in 2016 was a similar situation. Wreck coming to the line, another car crossed the line first, but Sadler was leading at the scoring loop.


Zetona

I think this is a *marginally* different situation than when Brennan Poole got screwed in 2016, because in that race the guy who got the win (Elliott Sadler) was also responsible for causing the caution that ended the race. Matty D was also wrecking across the line, but he neither caused nor was involved in the main wreck that caused the caution, which was all behind the leaders. But this is at least the third time in the last decade at Talladega that this sort of late, late caution has meant that the driver who beat everyone else to the line didn't actually get the win (also Xfinity in 2013), and it never feels right. I know that every time it's happened the caution was thrown for an absolutely massive wreck, but surely the procedure could be rethought.


Squishy_20

Deegan scored P6. Should be P5 because Rhodes forced Dibby below the yellow


Vulptereen327

Guess a broken clock is right twice per day


CompetitiveTurnover

Should be P4 because DiBenedetto passed the #51 below the yellow unforced.


Jaymanrockin

The 51 was crashing?


TheRealCheeser97

Deegan top-10. Hopefully we can get a Gragson win for the 5th time In a row and for Cup.......I just want everyone to survive. 🤣


just_shy_of_perfect

They also definitely should penalize Rhodes because your declared winner was literally below the yellow line WHEN he was leading at the caution. Rhodes definitely forced him there and should eat the penalty


Icommentoncrap

Ben Rhodes +2 if he finishes 3rd and isn't penalized. Gonna go from 4th to 7th if he gets the forcing below the line penalty and gonna have a battle next race


Megantheegelding

None of you folks complaining about not getting an extra 3 seconds to get emergency vehicles onto the track at the finish better be sending any of your Ts or Ps to Jordan Anderson where 3 seconds was very, very important.


Ok_Relationship2451

It's not about the emergency vehicle getting to the crashed trucks. It's about not letting back markers run into stopped trucks at 180mph trying to gain a few extra spots. Its not complicated. Safety over competition.


Megantheegelding

No it’s about the emergency vehicles getting to potentially injured people. I mean it’s also about the backmarkers not running people over, you’re not totally wrong. But it’s mostly about getting people to the crashed cars. And this wouldn’t really be much of a problem except I got 10,292 replies saying “how much could 3 seconds matter??!!“ Well, a lot. When the fire shits are rated for 10 seconds before 2nd degree burns, having those 3 seconds becomes pretty damn important.


ToukasRage

None of the drivers are slowing down during the 3 seconds here. Literally the only thing that changes is the scoring loops.


markh0120

hate that they threw the caution but good for matty d. he was doing a great job by staying in second all day pushing the leader and had a fast truck. still cannot get over that jordan anderson wreck. we was halfway out of the truck going like 100mph even before hitting the wall. the panic must have been unimaginable. like he had to jump out of a race car on a track full of other cars because that was his best option.


d-r-t

> still cannot get over that jordan anderson wreck. Yeah, the way he popped out when it hit the wall, I was like HOLY SHIT!


markh0120

theres another angle and shot of him sideways all the way up on the track (like above the yellow line) and he is like halfway out but then got back in. so crazy.


steelers3814

Wow we have to wait three weeks for the next truck race…


spikerman19

Every year.


therlwl

This is definitely something they need to look at. I get that it's definitely the series with the most Mom and Pop run cars but I would love to see more races so we don't have month long stretches without a race.


jkarpinski14

Blame NASCAR for their scheduling. They run 10 straight races in the summer and stretch the truck teams really thin, and then have enormous gaps at the end of the season. The playoffs starting in July and ending in November is pretty ridiculous.


therlwl

Agree, I would love more races if it's ever possible, my favorite of the three series.


LionHeart_1990

At a real racetrack thankfully


tha-lee-uh

Rackley WAR has become the 11th different team to win in the 17 Truck races at Talladega.


Vulptereen327

Surprised Trucks don't race at Martinsville


EmoGothPunk

Yeah, they used to race there. Remember the college football controversy?


Jaymanrockin

Matty D Win and a Hailie top 10, couldn’t of asked for much better.


NoNamesLeft24

Yessir!


TheRealCheeser97

Amazing comeback.


Jaymanrockin

Absolutely, proud of her.


Wes_WM

So happy for Matt. He made a lot of somewhat questionable calls in his wind down in cup, but he also wasn’t done any favors with absolutely god awful strategy calls and crew problems last year. Hopefully he is able to get on track and get back to at least a competitive xfinity ride in the future.


22Fusion

being in a JGR affiliate cup car, and Penske affiliate cup car isn’t getting any favors?


Wes_WM

The crew and strategy on the 21 car was awful last year


DraconianDebate

MattyD had 3 top 5s and 6 top 10s in the 21 last year, hows it doing now? He also had 3 top 5s and 4 top tens with Levine, a team that Christopher got 2 top 5s and 5 top 10s with the year after. Now he brought it home in a truck run by a second year team that had one top ten to its credit before he started for them. Hes no Kyle Busch but MattyD can definitely wheel a stock car.


22Fusion

The “how’s it doing now.” Isn’t exactly relevant. Harrison Burton is a full on cup rookie. Matt had over 300 cup starts before he even sat inside the 21 car.


DraconianDebate

180 cup starts, which is still a lot but he only had one season in an even somewhat competitive car, the 4 years before that he was in complete back marker equipment.


nfalk247

The 21 car sucks


48ever

when is nascar going to make a fucking logical decision? ever? fucking joke of a professional sport man.


Ok_Relationship2451

The only logical decision nascar could still make this weekend would be not to run Talladega in an unsafe cup car. And they will NEVER do that. To much money involved.i hope no one gets killed.


LionHeart_1990

It’s naive to think that any driver would get off the throttle at that point, even with the yellow at. I mean shit, that’s literally an example why the yellow is meaningless there. All the drivers didn’t let up anyways with the yellow. So why does Nascar want to back themselves into a corner like that?


nc_rams_fan

You're 100% right. Zero drivers lifted. Several drivers caused additional crashes. And the safety trucks didn't move a fucking inch until the leaders were well into turn one, and most of the crashing trucks had stopped entirely. What did the yellow accomplish other than making sure that NASCAR decided the winner rather than the actual race deciding the winner?


bostonfan148

Good for Matt


hockeybub89

tbh NASCAR needs to throw that caution in this climate with so much demand for them to stop f'ing around with safety


taz_78

Then throw it when the truck is heading down the track into traffic. NOT AFTER.


whathappenb

It wouldn't do much cause literally everyone was packed up coming to the trioval. NO one was slowing down and they wouldn't have time to regardless


Gdj_24

This is my point. Throwing the caution 2 seconds before they cross the line doesn't change a single thing from a safety perspective, because no driver is going to lift, and no spotter is going to yell "CAUTION, CAUTION SLOW DOWN" in that situation.


HereComesChrist

Really happy for Matty D. I know he’s turned some off with how he handled himself last year but that was a LONG road to victory lane in NASCAR, and he was overdue and deserves his moment.


mwparson

Reddit “thank god the safety crew got to Jordan Anderson so quick” also Reddit “fuck NASCAR for throwing a caution for a driver going head first into the wall”


RedditUser24567

The difference is that they were literally seconds away from ending the race versus mid race. Had that wreck occurred on the last lap on the back stretch (or really anywhere other than the trioval, then sure, throw the caution to get safety crews rolling.


Ok_Relationship2451

Could have been seconds away from ending someone's life if they don't throw the caution... You can't know. The only thing I know is they made the right call with the caution at the end.


RedditUser24567

You think the reaction time for the safety crews to reach the wreck was any different than had the cars crossed the line without a caution? Because I don’t.


Ok_Relationship2451

Absolutely nothing to do with safety crew getting there sooner. It's the cars still racing barreling into wrecked cars on the track.🤦


Nscr44_

Three more seconds bruh. It would not have changed anything!


cyberklown28

Not sure why they needed a caution when the race was seconds from ending.


kk5fan97

they always do that at Talladega. They have screwed a lot of drivers out of wins doing that. It's happened twice that I can remember in Xfinity over the last decade where drivers got screwed out of wins because of them throwing the caution 200 feet from the finish line. Brennan Poole lost his first career win in 2016 when they did that, and Kasey Kahne lost a win two years before that when they did the same thing.


themarkster09

Last year this weekend had three first time winners, we are 1 for 1 so far, who’s continuing it later today?


cbcole0

I want Ryan Vargas to win so freaking bad


HalfastEddie

Same here. I want to go to VL with Ryan and my r/NASCAR buds.


PAWPatrol_IsPawsome

Ryan Vargas in the r/NASCAR car!


jcaccountingeducator

My boy Sheldon is going to get it done.


TheRealCheeser97

Shelgoat.


NWDrive

I love the excitement building on that last lap. The aerial camera views were awesome. It really had a great sense of speed. It was an exciting finish!


EmoGothPunk

I'm not a MattyD fan anymore, but he won this fair per the rulebook afaik. Got forced below the line, wasn't under complete control of his truck and was first at the time of caution. MATT WON.


iOtto43

Don't get me wrong, I like that DiBennedeto finally got a win. But nascar has so stop throwing horrible cautions. A caution at 100ft before the checkered flag when the wreck was right behind the leaders? This has got to stop.


Ok_Relationship2451

Yes behind the leaders... What about the car behind the wreck coming at it at full speed? They made the right call throwing the yellow.


Gdj_24

Look, in the context of what happened, Dibenedetto winning is the right call. He was clearly ahead at the time of the caution. But *why* did they throw it in the first place? They are literally a hundred feet from the finish line. Nobody is going to lift and slow down there, and the safety vehicles aren't gonna get there any faster. This is literally just the Brennan Poole situation all over again


TywinShitsGold

Because Heim crossed the field on his drivers side and got tagged. They need the yellow to clear AMR onto the track.


Gdj_24

Yeah but we're talking about a difference of literally 2 seconds. All of those trucks are still going full speed whether you throw the caution or not at that point. It changes nothing


jbfdixie24

Amr still isn’t going to cross the track while trucks are wrecking across it.


themarkster09

Bret Holmes, Brennan Poole, and Regan Smith, the should be Talladega winner trifecta


HalfastEddie

Get 'em while their hot! The stolen win trifecta die cast set now taking pre-orders.


Mushy_Slush

NASCAR brought out the plinko board to make all the decisions for this race


HalfastEddie

Plinko board. I feel like you just described why everything and nothing is even a surprise any more. It's just all so random, NASCAR and life in general. That's actually somewhat comforting.


Icommentoncrap

We had enough racing and chaos for a whole weekend concenced into one race and we still got another race today and another tomorrow lmao


Evtona500

NASCAR gotta chill throwing the yellow 300 ft. from the finish line. No one slowed down. The only thing that changes is the winner.


DaNASCARMem

I feel so, so heartbroken for Holmes. That would’ve tied the closest finish in NASCAR history without the yellow, and he got to say he did it in front of his hometown crowd. That would’ve been legendary


Everyday_Struggle

That was a spectacle.


kk5fan97

well this race was a total shit show start to finish. Anderson's horrendous wreck, the dumbass crew member on the 1 running into the infield grass, tire blowouts, shitty caution call at the end, and the amateur hour broadcast from FS1. edit: also Hocevar making a fool of himself again.


skeenek

Agreed on all counts. The horrible race itself aside, I’m most annoyed by the TV crew and their clear and obvious disinterest in putting out a good product or show. My god.


kk5fan97

it's like they don't realize how much it actually shows that they don't give a damn about what they are broadcasting. The zoomed in camera angles where we can't see anything but the number on the side of the truck, the commercial breaks with less than 10 laps to go in the stages (and full screen commercials at that), how oblivious they are about the rules (took them three replays of the finish for them to finally realize that the caution was out before they got to the line) and the booth crew not even being sent to the track. The best thing NASCAR can do at this point with FOX/FS1 is to not even bother to entertain a contract offer from them for the next TV contract and get as far away from FOX Sports as they can when the next contract starts.


skeenek

Again, agreed. I really think NBC is more of a problem in terms of promotion of the sport and whatnot, but the FOX product is so far beyond miserable and disinterested that I don’t want to see another race on their networks whatsoever when the contracts are up next year.


NWDrive

What a great race. That end was super exciting. I'm very happy for Dibenedetto getting that first win. You can see the excitement and joy, I was so happy to see that. My heart breaks for Brett Holmes, but I hope he has a very successful career in the future with plenty of wins as well.


Megantheegelding

The amount of people fighting against getting the track in a spot where emergency vehicles can get to Heim and Perkins after that hit because they wanted to see another 15 feet of racing is astounding and disappointing.


Zuramaru29

This sub: “drivers are getting hurt we need to better protect drivers” Yellow comes out so safety teams can get to drivers: “wait another couple seconds we racin’” I get it’s not a lot of time but getting on NASCAR all week for driver safety and complaining about putting out a yellow to get safety teams on track is a bit hypocritical.


Megantheegelding

I’ve got multiple times.. “What’s another 3 seconds?!” Well, right. What is another 3 seconds? If it’s not that big of a deal then why are we mad to miss out on it?


Zuramaru29

Because arbitrary ruling decisions really grind all our collective gears. I can see a reason either driver could have been called the winner. Todd just said on the post race that while Matty won by the letter of the rule, he’d rather them count the winner at the line. I’d agree with that, but that’s not the rule. So by that logic the yellow is stupid because it allowed NASCAR “to handpick their winner” and screw another guy over. The yellow serves an overall function that does more than just freeze the field, but when rules are tied to yellow flag it causes this stupid drama. I get why fans can be upset but you can’t be pissed at a decision where safety has been scrutinized then complain about a decision that is made for driver safety.


Megantheegelding

It’s not arbitrary. Emergency vehicles can’t go on track while it’s green. Jordan Anderson exemplified why those few seconds are important in this very race. No one in NASCAR said “wait to throw it until Matt D is in front”. No one hand picked the winner. Sometimes, Todd Bodine isn’t the smartest person in the room. I remember back to a race earlier this year, I forget where, where most of this community was mad at him for needlessly fencing Hailie Deegan for like 16th. Sometimes, Todd isn’t right.


Zuramaru29

I’m actually agreeing with you. I get why people are upset with how the winner was determined, which was tied to a flag being put out, but it needed to be put out for safety reasons. Don’t be upset that the flag was put out, instead be more mad about how the winner of the race is decided - which is the arbitrary point I was trying to make. Homes won the race to the line, but Matty D won the race by the ruling.


Megantheegelding

Well, they used to not determine the winner when the yellow came out. People made that dangerous too, so they did away with racing back to the line. It’s the same reason we have the lucky dog.


1331bob1331

Especially when they probably also saying the nextgen needs saftey improvements. Its pathetic hypocrisy.


Nscr44_

Don't think it would've mattered if we got 3 more seconds of racing lol


Megantheegelding

If 3 seconds is so insignificant then why does it bother you so much to miss out on it?


nc_rams_fan

Three seconds changed the outcome of the race. It changed absolutely nothing as far as the response time of the safety crews was concerned. Those safety trucks didn't move a fucking inch during those three seconds and you know it.


Megantheegelding

And we’re back to “but muh entertainment”. Very good. They literally just showed the Jordan Anderson deal where 3 seconds was very much important.


nc_rams_fan

You're intentionally missing my point, you aren't worth any further argument.


Nscr44_

Lol it completely changes who wins, the finishing order, would've seen the closest finish. But instead we get into a pickle over who won. Like they can just throw a caution once they cross the line.


Megantheegelding

I bet Jordan Anderson would have really liked to be in his truck 3 seconds less.


StereoBlows

Folks like you seem like they want someone to die really badly.


Megantheegelding

I, the person clearly advocating for getting ambulances to severely wrecked race cars as fast as possible, seem like I want someone to die really badly?


Nscr44_

Maybe it was because there was a fire in the cockpit? And sorry but this doesn't correlate.


Megantheegelding

What the fuck do you think is a distinct possibility when two race cars smash into each other as hard as the 51 and 9 did.


codename474747

As pointless as the yellow flag was, at least it gave FOX the time to spool through the replays before the mandatory driver celebration shots Sometimes when things happen on the final lap it feels like they don't bother replaying stuff in their quest to get the driver celebrations and sponsor namechecking in before they go off air.


Upstate24fan

Just caught up the DVR. Ol' Matty D. finally got one. Though, couldn't they hold the caution until they hit the finish line to avoid that mess? Bunch of playoff guys burned by laying back.


anabolicthrowout13

Another crapshoot race. Teams basically walk into this race knowing they will sacrifice an expensive truck in hopes to win. All being said, Matty D got a dub and that is awesome. Hoping Jordan Anderson is okay.


Nate2680

I wanna see the exact moment of caution, if NASCAR cannot provide that they are failing the viewer


MusicalMoon

You expect Fox to be able to do the bare minimum? Lol.