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AmountFun2036

George Strait declined an opportunity to sing the national anthem at the first Cup race at Texas. Let that sink in.


Dangerous_Leave6129

Here's a take on safety from someone who doesn't know ANYTHING, so take it with the biggest grain of salt you got. But I think the car is safe. There were so many incidents yesterday where tires were failing and people were shooting up into the wall. There's going to be scary incidents when that happens. Ware was shooken up and there was cause for concern, but he came out fine. NASCAR has always made safety a priority, but racing cars will always be dangerous and safety efforts are always on going. The most unsafe part of yesterday was the tire failures, and those were caused by a compound of issues. I just got so annoyed with people shouting over Twitter yesterday saying the cars were unsafe and it needs to be fixed now, when really there's a lot more going on then what meets the eye, and every accident is different even when they look the same. (in reference to comparing wares accident to JJs and McDowels) For the people who do know about that stuff, do any of y'all think the car is actually unsafe? And if so why? I just don't know about the engineering side of this.


rustyfinna

I missed the first half the race so I just saw the clip of Ty Gibbs swerving and door slamming Ty Dillon on pit road now. That uhhhhh wasn’t very smart. Dude should be in big trouble. Could have easily been a pit crew or official standing there. https://twitter.com/b1gnate_11/status/1574187681965301761?s=46&t=A02n6e7ra_-HabfGlHyQVw


bullitt07

This should be a multiple race suspension. Period. No ifs or buts. Kid is a spoiled child (albeit talented) but NASCAR can’t play around here when innocent and unprotected bystanders are possibly in danger.


torontosmartestidiot

That kids a joke


fiddyk50

If you thought this was worse than the brickyard debacle you’re a clown. That said, changes should, and probably will, be made. As for the racing, this car loves hot, slick tracks. I thought, relatively speaking, there was some really good racing at times. The line between a fast lap and losing 3 spots off a corner was razor thin and fun to watch. I still hope next years race is a couple of bulldozers but hey, not a bad way to send this ole horse off into the sunset.


puffadda

I am, somehow, retroactively even more upset about how Bristol Dirt ended


J-Nole11

I wish Tyler would have made Briscoe actually pay for that chicken-shit move. I'm right there with you


MajesticSeaFlapFlaps

I feel this. Would have been great to see Reddick pull off a championship with the rift that's seems to have formed between him and Childress over him leaving. Hopefully he can maybe make it happen next year.


INMATEofARKHAM

Greatest shitshow on earth! Chaos reigns in Texas! 🤣


AsbestosAnt

Missed the race. Can anyone give me a summary? Also I guess Gibbs didn't fix their magical issues?


2GRFEoilconsumption

“Wow! This is actually some decent racing! I sure hope no tire failures happen!” _race ends up breaking the previous Texas record for most cautions, Cody Ware almost fucking dies, somehow Tyler Reddick survived even though he was up front most of the day which is where most of the issues were_ Maybe we shouldn’t be using low-profile tires on the ovals. Oh, and have someone other than Goodyear supply them.


thatClarkguy

I agreed with you until the last bit. I think Reddick's ability to win shows that Goodyear may not be lying about this being a setup issue.


Dangerous_Leave6129

Corey Lajoie (and he's not the only one to have said this) I think had it right after bristol when he said Goodyear really has a thankless job. I don't think the issue is specifically BECAUSE it's Goodyear, but really just the low profile tires shouldn't have been implemented with this car... Yet.


2GRFEoilconsumption

Between that and the alleged use of lower-than-normal tire pressures, hopefully this is just an issue with the car and the car setup and _not_ the seeds of the Third Tire War.


SLJR24

What a shit show Texas was. Congrats to Reddick on the win. I’m sure he’s even more pissed about what happened at Bristol now, but that’s racing. This race was not a good look for NASCAR though. Too many tire failures. Several drivers losing it in the same area of the track. Crappy parts. We still have safety concerns with the car. And NASCAR showed us how incompetent they were with how they handled the Byron and Hamlin incident. Oh and Talladega is next, so I’m sure there will be nothing controversial following that race. /s NASCAR needs to clean things up before next season. All the drama with the car parts, tires, car safety, and officiating has completely overshadowed the playoffs. That’s not a good look. But the safety of the car needs to improve ASAP. It’s bad enough Kurt had his season and potentially career ruined, but you had several drivers complaining about the hits today and the Cody Ware crash was concerning too.


Taynt42

And what about multiple fires, and Cody Ware being seriously shook up after his wreck.


jmnordan

[Rick Mast compares what happened today to being in the tire wars of 1988 and 1994.](https://twitter.com/rickmast22/status/1574199383377301504?t=Iz2YBCIuAhROKj-k4Ilbpw&s=19)


roadsterguy32

After Chase Elliot's wreck, I thought he was going to say to the reporter "you don't think I'm good enough to handle some bumps in the track?" with how much they were pushing that narrative before agreeing it was tire failure


AldoFarnese

His answer to that last stupid question was perfection. Why should he care?


michigan_matt

If you look back at the careers of Joey Logano and Kyle Busch, it is undeniable that their number of run-ins with other drivers tended to go down in the couple of years leading up to their first championship. That's not to say that they still don't have them now and then; I'd argue keeping that edge is certainly good and makes you a better race car driver, but they've realized it's also time to consider the bigger picture when behind the wheel. There's also someone in the front half of their career like Blaney, who's known for his frustration in the heat of the moment on the radio. But other than a two week stretch a couple of years ago with Jimmie (which, to Ryan's credit, was also repaired through his own effort), Ryan generally leaves it all at the track and resets his mind prior to the next race as he keeps the past as the past. These are lessons that, for some reason, Denny still struggles with as he approaches the age of 42. If you are one of the other 15 playoff drivers, you are very likely either a teammate of Denny or you have had a past run-in with him. Denny had every right to be upset with William today. However, he then spins his TV interview to make sure everyone remembers his ever-growing list of drivers he owes back, which he is now adding another entry to. Retaliation clearly remains on his mind, and you can't help but wonder if that facilitated the mindset of others with his team's car also trying to do that directly on pit road today. Until Denny desires to put 100% of his effort toward winning a championship as opposed to needing to right all of these wrongs, he is going to struggle clinching the title he claims to seek. We're soon going to be at the point where Ross's feud count is less than his; we already might be there. Whether you were at fault or not, at some point you have to at least wonder why you've become such a common denominator when it comes to so many rivalries throughout the sport.


greg_jenningz

Excellent point. After todays race I was talking to my mom about how you never saw Jimmie Johnson talking about the list of drivers he owes back. And quite frankly, any of our most recent champions of the sport. He hangs on onto these feuds for way to long and cannot see the bigger picture. How many times has he had a run in with someone before claiming their first championship? Brad, Joey, and Chase come to mind. I don’t like what Denny says and I enjoy rooting against him.


Harvick4Pats11

Great points


DOfferman7

I’ve seen better officiated iracing leagues.


ScuffedJohnWick

The constant bad officiating calls are driving me away from this sport. It's much worse this year. I just want good racing with a consistent set of rules.


PancakesandV8s

hard to do with a race committee


INMATEofARKHAM

And a need to protect the playoffs.


AoE_Mobius_One

What the fuck was that NASCAR?


AldoFarnese

Texas.


monalsw

Danger in Dallas/Fort Worth


Aurify

lol


pjb4466

NASCAR admitting they didn’t even know what happened between the 24 and 11 before going back to green is possibly a worse look than just punting responsibility. Obviously too much going on for the existing crew to handle.


AsbestosAnt

Love how F1 never misses anything on huge road courses but nascar is responsible for a 1.5 mile oval and misses stuff. What a dumb excuse.


thewhitejamal

Mate you must not watch F1 then, they are blind as hell there too


rustyfinna

They knew the 11 was trying to get back to 2nd under caution and they sent him back in the field….. but had no idea why? That’s odd


ThrowAndHit

Especially with the onboard cameras now in every car. It should’ve taken a steward/official less than a minute to figure out what happened to the 11. Why it wasn’t reviewed is beyond me. All it would’ve taken me as an EOL for the 24 and this would’ve been a non-issue. Now the sanctioning body looks rather incompetent.


NoNameNoWerries

Actual racing action: 3/10 Nonsense in and around the race? 100/10


monalsw

This ^^^^^


ggsimmonds

I thought the green flag racing was decent for Texas. It was the other stuff that took away from it. Mostly the tires. As far as the driver bickering goes, I'm kind of tired of that type of chaos saving races. I'm at the point where I just want good racing


NoNameNoWerries

I feel like it could have been good, there were some good sequences but they were separated by long instances of strung out running and oh by the way the sniper on the tower shot out another tire. Except Wrecky Stenhouse that's just who he is.


CaptainTilted

Manufacturer wins among the top 3 series. Chevrolet 41 - Ford 13 - Toyota 23. ______________ Cup race #30 : Chevrolet 17 - Ford 7 - Toyota 6. Xfinity Race #27 : Chevrolet 20 - Ford 1 - Toyota 6. Truck Race #20 : Chevrolet 4 - Ford 5 - Toyota 11.


Gen-4-fan

Brad easily passed 100+ cars today


nocoolredditname

I'd also like to add, I understand that spinning someone under caution is unsportsmanlike and spinning someone at all is potentially dangerous. what I don't understand is the many comments that seem to suggest that spinning someone under caution is somehow more dangerous than spinning them under green. nascar has decided that it'll let the drivers purposefully spin each other out at 150, and so they then can't say a spin at >100 was a safety concern. the concern for me is sportsmanlike behaviour and integrity of the race.


rustyfinna

Easy, there are people not protected by roll cages out on the track during cautions.


nocoolredditname

there was no one on track or outside the pit road when Byron spun Hamlin that wasn't on the track 10secs earlier.


rustyfinna

There could have been. That’s why cautions are so strict and critical. It’s like shooting someone. If you miss it doesn’t become okay.


lordjollygreen

It's because usually under caution there's others on track. Cleaning crews, safety crews, pace car. The drivers are putting innocent people at risk by spinning and wrecking each other under caution. I should also add pit road to that as well, since typically doing anything reckless on pit road is heavily punished because crews and officials are put into harms way. The penalties aren't about the driver's safety, but rather everyone else's.


nocoolredditname

there were no cleaning crews or safety crew on the track when Byron spun Hamlin. there was also no one over the wall on pit road at that point. and no officials or crew members put in harms way. if he had spun him during the middle of a pit cycle maybe, but it was 10secs after the caution - the danger is the exact same as spinning someone during a race at that point. I will not accept that Byron spinning Hamlin at that point was somehow more dangerous than if Byron has spun him 10secs earlier at full speed. the difference between those two scenarios is not about safety imo


lordjollygreen

As soon as the caution comes out is the point NASCAR can send safety crews out onto the track to tend to a driver in the case of a wreck. Therefore, once the yellow is out, any form of retaliation isn't acceptable because it could put others at risk. If you ever wonder why NASCAR throws the caution so quickly on last lap wrecks rather than letting the field race to the finish is in the case that a driver needs immediate help. NASCAR cannot release safety or rescue vehicles onto the track while the race is still green. It doesn't matter if no safety vehicles were on track at that time. It's supposed to be a black and white rule of, no wrecking each other under caution. Don't need an innocent bystander getting hurt or killed because a couple of jackasses decided to use their cars as weapons.


rustyfinna

It doesn’t matter. It’s a hard and non debatable rule- when caution comes out you slow down and stop racing. Period. You can’t leave it up to drivers if they think it’s “safe” to do so.


nocoolredditname

and I agree with it being a hard and non debatable rule that when the caution comes out you stop racing and stop any fooling around, said as much in my first post. I do not agree with the suggestion that Byron somehow did something in that moment that was more dangerous than if he had done it 10secs earlier.


Npd114

Talladega is going to be so fucking insane next week.


monalsw

Will there even be a race next weekend? These drivers/teams are fed up and speaking out. Is anyone listening to them?


SandyBunker

Nascar has become such a joke.


roadagent06

I don't know why you're getting downloaded Sandy, that car and those tires are an embarrassment to the sport.


fenn2b

Wow


wainwright203

Honest question: In terms of quality of racing, is this configuration of Texas the worst track of all-time? Only track I can think of that might come close is Fontana in the late 90s


michigan_matt

Indy Road Course last year with a launch pad


INMATEofARKHAM

You say launch pad I say Dukes of Hazard ramp... 🤣 and was that really just last year? Seems longer, tbh.


ClitoralElegy

One of the worst tracks that major motorsports run worldwide. An absolute sham of a venue. People need to boycott this place until they tear it town and fix it. Just awful racing.


pucks20

This track I think defined the scorn many people had for the intermediates. Kentucky did too but I don't think to the same level. Couple that with Indy being damn near run off the track I am highly inclined to say yes. No track has had as big a cliff dive in terms of fan opinion that's for sure.


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You ever see Homestead without the banking?


wainwright203

Oof, yeah that track was bad when it was an Indy replica. Definitely a candidate


rds060184

Top one IMO was terrible.


MrBadBadly

Las Vegas wasn't particularly good in its original configuration.


BeefInGR

I told you people there would be chaos


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So on Denny’s list; Chastain, Byron, Bowman and Briscoe. Am I missing anyone?


Mattm_19

How did Bowman and Briscoe get there this Year?


a2421071

Martinsville And Indy last year


Mattm_19

That was last year. And Hamlin got his revenge by making the playoffs over Briscoe


RestlessInferno

There was a clip of Denny on Stacking Pennies from earlier this season (around late summer IIRC) where he specifically mentioned Ross, Bowman, and Briscoe as drivers who are on his "list." So while it was last year, he's still holding on to it for some reason.


Mattm_19

I understand Ross and Bowman, but Briscoe was paying Hamlin back after he ran Briscoe off the track. So they should be even. Especially since that was a chance for Briscoe to get his first win


[deleted]

I doubt Hamlin feels the same


atlutdprospects

At this point being on Denny's list is like a right of passage


FireSteveODonnell

I'm so tired of this season.


dfisher1225

Why? It honestly has brought me so much joy. Parity is a beautiful thing. Zero playoff drivers have won in rounds they are eligible for, that’s unreal through 4 races.


AsbestosAnt

The parity is massively overshadowed by nascar's shitshow officiating.


dfisher1225

I wouldn’t say that’s new. Definitely is in the spotlight this week though.


Sensitive-Mine-657

Random number generator is not the same thing is parity.


dfisher1225

If Cody Ware wins a race, sure. But it’s not like the guys that have been winning haven’t had speed at various points throughout the season. LaJoie’s near victory at Atlanta would be the one exception.


rds060184

Maybe Jones wasn't the best car but the other 3 races in the playoffs the car that won deserved it and won on speed so yes that's parity I'd say.


colbygraves97

Can we give Rockingham it’s race back from Texas Now?


dfisher1225

Soon


Batedcow

Sporting wise, I have a hard time understanding how a car can be taken out under caution and then not given their place back.


TheBakerGuy

NASCAR has made it clear over the last decade they care more about ratings than being a legitimate sport.


MrBadBadly

I don't quite get it either, especially no penalty. From the onboard, the caution lights had been on for quite a damn minute. There's a difference between tapping someone's bumper behind the pace car and nailing them just under race speed. He may not have intended the outcome (he probably did), but he intended the action.


Hot-Paper-6405

Robby Gordon has entered the chat


rustyfinna

Well it was denny and a Hendrick driver after all. Sporting wise.


FireSteveODonnell

They won't like this comment.


greg_jenningz

JGR cars have fucked with HMS car enough that I will happily enjoy these moments.


dfisher1225

We collectively gave JHN a lot of shit yesterday about losing it off of turn-2. With the Cup drivers looking like they were driving on ice, I believe that I would like to take back my negative comments from yesterday. Still think that guy has loads of talent and was disappointed when he lost his last good opportunity for an NXS win this season. Justin Haley, man that guy is good at surviving tough tracks. He now has 3 top-10’s this season, but an average finish of 18th, that’s a whole lot of running in the teen’s. Running at the finish in 27 of 30 races. He gets next to no love from the NASCAR community, but he is a good driver who keeps his equipment clean and I hope he gets renewed with Kaulig. This will probably be the last Texas race we see that looks like what we saw today and thank god for that. I know the drivers dislike the idea of more drafting tracks, but that seems like a great idea to me when looking at the quality of racing we saw the last two days at this track. Of course the drivers don’t want another wildcard track, but the fans surely do. I am again an Atlanta Motor Speedway season ticket holder and I hadn’t been for years despite being less than an hour from the track. Texas needs a major change. Good for Reddick, man. He is one heck of a driver and I am excited for his career even if it’s going to be in purgatory in 2023. Richard Childress definitely should be mad at himself for losing Reddick.


MrBadBadly

TMS re-upped with IndyCar for like 3 more years about a month ago. They won't reconfigure it to something they can't race on, and odds are, if it will be reconfigured, they know what it will be redone into.


dfisher1225

Didn’t realize that. Great to know. Thank you.


HalfastEddie

Haley is happy at Kaulig and has Leaf Filter money. He isn't going anywhere, nor should he. He gets what the car can give and brings it home. And he shows steady improvement through two seasons. He should get a couple dubs over the years.


judojoker

His win at Daytona was super fluky, but Justin Haley is definitely a legit driver. I definitely respect him


dfisher1225

Super fluky! I am hoping he can get another win outright so that the asterisk of anointing him as a Cup winner can be removed.


Wandering_Turtle24

I think most people were pissed, myself included, on how he blamed Justin for that when he hadn’t done anything wrong.


dfisher1225

Definitely did not like that.


Legend13CNS

Some combination of NASCAR, Goodyear, and the teams need to get this tire thing figured out. I don't want Cup to become GT3 for ovals, where everything will have a zillion sensors to keep teams in a super tight regulation box.


BeefInGR

The problem is teams are hoping that psi of air or half degree of camber will be the trick. There are still other ways to make speed. They need to find the best ways to use those.


PeacemakersAlt

Sad thing is that was probably the most "entertaining" Texas race we've had in recent memory.


monalsw

Sad but true


pjb4466

Byron surely can't blame Logano anymore, right? Basically the same move he pulled on the 22 at Darlington and he got punted for it. For the record I thought it was a gross overreaction from Byron and Logano. But Byron can't have it both ways.


colbygraves97

Only until he dumps him then he can’t. Byron didn’t knock the Toe out of the 22.


jcbshortfilms

My thoughts exactly


trident60

I was told the incidents weren't remotely the same because I said the same thing you did.


patmal_8

https://twitter.com/nickbromberg/status/1574215572409180162?s=46&t=Z8lU-ZAAWE9u6bHyB0GjTA


-RYknow

Looking at that clip, I don't doubt it could have bent the toe link. And I do believe even a minor bend in the toe link will drastically alter how the car handles.


KJC_24

Are you kidding me? He hit the wall hard and flush. Byron said on the radio multiple times that the RR was bent. He had a winning race at before the 11 shoved him up.


droford

Yeah, Dennys bump in the wall definitely took him out of contention with damage since he only finished where he did because several cars blew tires in front of him. Sucks his playoffs chances are slim now if he gets a 30 point penalty. I can't see him winning on the Roval so he's got to win at Talladega basically.


KJC_24

He would have won the Roval last year if it wasn’t for Reddick running out of talent. I think a $$$ penalty is coming… no points


ggsimmonds

Byron was so full of shit. At first I cut him some slack because I know drivers got frustrated out there. But when he dropped that in the post race that slack was gone


Wandering_Turtle24

How? Drivers have been saying these things are fragile as hell since the Clash.


ggsimmonds

He ran fine after the restart. Gained positions and commentators even remarked that it looked like he had the fastest car. And he was obviously struggling in that interview.


Wandering_Turtle24

But he wasn’t though. He looked loose and didn’t have near the speed he showed earlier prior to their contact. Prior to the last caution, he was backtracking quite a bit.


ggsimmonds

Everytime I've seen a driver damage their toe link there was a visible indication shortly after contact. A wobble or something. There was no such wobble, he was immediately able to reach his earlier pace. He didn't mention anything about a toe link on the radio. All he said was that he wasn't going to put up with Hamlin's bullshit. Almost everyone looked loose the last run. He did show the same kind of speed. The restart where Hamlin was lined up directly behind him, Byron ran away from Hamlin and put 3 cars in between them. The reason he stopped gaining positions was because at this point in the race there was really only one strong racing line. It was the storyline of the race and why track position was so important. Its Texas. If you are running 5th you can hold that position. If the same car is running 12th it will hold that position and not move up much.


kidyourface

Damaged =/= broken


ggsimmonds

Reread my comment? "Everytime I've seen a driver damage their toe link" I did not say broken


KJC_24

Damage is much different than a bent component. Go listen to the 24 radio from after the incident. The car lost its winning pace.


ReesesFastbreak

I believe it. Chase’s suspension has bent twice this year over very similar contact with the wall. It’s ridiculous how fragile those components are.


MrBadBadly

I like the fragility. The COT brought about the tank cars that can knock down the fence and still win the race. Fuck ups needs punishment.


rustyfinna

Byron was rattled in that interview. Didn't have his story straight at all.


-RYknow

He had it straight that he owned hitting Hamlin intentionally. lol


patmal_8

Absolutely brutal contact. Denny annihilated him. Surprised he’s not concussed.


rustyfinna

They are saying he might have to have his leg amputated.


HalfastEddie

That seems like so many memes ago. What a season this has been.


Lucstar88

Oh no.... Our *toe link* massive crash sound noises It's broken.


go_ryan

Not sure how the race held up on TV, but being at the track I'd say this was a solid 7.5/10 race. Was watching Truex most of the time and he did a great job passing through traffic. Wished Goodyear had durable tires. Too many tire accidents. Surprised Reddick's held up considering the previous leaders.


Moppyploppy

This. This. So much this. That race was SO much better than last year. The end of stage 1 ruled. There was considerably more passing all through the field. Other than sitting in the devil's anus before the sun went behind the grandstands it was awesome.


HalfastEddie

The craziest thing is he didn't blow the RR even after that insane burnout. The LR popped, but not the right.


SatiricalGuy

Got real tired of caution after caution at home, and tire issues forcing every driver to sit on their hands in the last hour or so of racing were just annoying as hell


go_ryan

The amount of cautions was a bit much considering race length, but the Xfinity race had like 4 straight cautions where they couldn't complete a clean lap. Lightning delay was the worst part since it really only lightly sprinkled at the track.


SatiricalGuy

I'm glad they cautioned for the rain but the 30 minute delay was annoying as all hell


-RYknow

Guarantee this will be a SUPER unpopular opinion... but I didn't mind the race on TV. It was the most entertaining Texas race in... I don't even know how long.


Zeidy388

Entertaining? Absolutely. But not how I want to see the championship decided.


jopo1992

I agree. I was pretty entertained the whole time


ShittyExchangeAdmin

Yea i didn't hate it either. The racing wasn't bad after the red flag. All the tire problems really sucked, but at least it wasn't a boring race like martinsville.


JetA_Jedi

I agree, it was great in person. Lots of passing and I had no clue who was going to win till the end.


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13mizzou

Tires go pop, drivers say ouch, Hamlin and Bryon "fight" under caution, and Reddick used clean air to his advantage to win


HalfastEddie

Also, implications.


-RYknow

Tires and a shitty track surface.


go_ryan

Single car cautions due to flat tires or slick Turn 4.


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Ibroketheinterweb

It was 5x worse this week.


TooTiredToCareMuch

no that’s this week too.


cypher50

Goodyear and Byron Go Boom.


ImJimmieJohnsonBot

>Boom. [Confetti.](http://i.imgur.com/IFf9QOu.gif)


JokkerHD

Teams risk vs reward with camber/suspension settings, resulting in a lot of blown right rears.


dooldebob

Chaos but not in a good way


tjeepdrv2

I'm on the way home. Stage 1 sucked because I was being roasted alive by the sun. Once that went behind the bleachers, I had a great time. I've never attended a boring race at this track.


colbygraves97

Haven’t been since 2014?


greg_jenningz

2015 cup races were amazing here.


tjeepdrv2

5 off the top of my head. 2 Cup, 2 Indycar, and 1 Xfinity. Maybe one or two more I've forgotten.


colbygraves97

We’re you drunk and or high for the Cup races?


tjeepdrv2

Nope! Good times.


HoosierTrees

Then I can only assume this was your first race at this track.


ggsimmonds

I assumed alcohol was involved


rds060184

Nah I've been to 5-6 it's crazy better in person just hot as fuck


tjeepdrv2

Yeah, I wish it came through on TV.


tjeepdrv2

Nah, I started going here in April 1997. I take a scanner and watch my own story, not the one the TV and radio try to tell. The 4, 6, and 8 were probably on my scanner the most.


SatiricalGuy

6 was an interesting story


tjeepdrv2

He had a fast car. I think they could have finished 5th, but they kept trying too hard.


SatiricalGuy

Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet in my opinion, shame he cut it loose so close to the end though


2GRFEoilconsumption

Reddick didn’t win. He was spared by Goodyear hit men.


Blazethesol52

After Auto Club and Kansas I think he deserved a good break lol


rds060184

If the space station fell from the sky it'd probably land on the 19 with their shit luck


13mizzou

With pieces landing on the 18


rds060184

Nah that's only if Gibbs owned the space station


HoosierTrees

No way in hell. The space station is pure science. He would swerve like you've never seen before to avoid it.


-RYknow

Naaa... He'd cut a tire just before the space station landed on the track, and back it into the wall... breaking a toe link, and racking up another DNF.


tylopreen

rc: "goodyear brought a good tire" lmaoooooo


Lucstar88

Yeah, cause Reddick finally didn't lose a tire from the lead again like Fontana and Kansas LMAO


alg0r1thim

That was without a shadow of a doubt one of the worst NASCAR races I have ever watched


Lurkerbee20

Ah, but you did watch it. ~ Jack Sparrow


monalsw

Excellent line!


MrBadBadly

Charlotte October race in 2005 was way worse, and the Brickyard 400 in 2008 beat that shit show. This was nothing.


dooldebob

Worst in terms of shitshowness yeah


alg0r1thim

Yeah the on track product was meh but not that bad, there was some tight racing at times. But we never really got to see it because Goodyear brought garbage and there were yellows every few laps. I don’t think there was a single caution (by the time I stopped watching after stage 2) that was caused by people racing


dooldebob

Stenhouse and Almirola spun on their own but everything else was tires


[deleted]

Glad to see I didn't miss much then


ButanePorch

You missed a lot


bradyrichie96

The Martin Truex jr Drought continues my favorite driver cannot get a break. 😩


-RYknow

He's having one of the toughest years I can remember, for any driver. I mean... the dude simply can not catch a break.


jcbshortfilms

Reminds me of 2017 for Logano


dooldebob

https://twitter.com/dennyhamlin/status/1574214006721712129?t=G2bFVoFPn_UicR83T8o2ow&s=19 Denny has arrived on the battlefield


cypher50

If I'm the teams, either I just start doing what the hell Goodyear claims it is saying or I go scorched earth, release the telemetry, and call Goodyear on their bullshit.


pucks20

I'm about done with Badyear. If I wanted a PR company I'd pick a tech firm. Since they have proven thats all they are good at.


cypher50

I don't know...if a company is the official supplier of a ***24 Hours of Le Mans class*** then I would be really pissed about this performance. As much as I want to just say the entire company is garbage, I don't think it is just that. But something in whatever team is managing the NASCAR product is really really REALLY broken.


pucks20

The entire company I don't think is garbage but there is definitely some rot in their American division. The Goodyear tires for LeMans are primarily a Dunlop tire (referring more to the subgroup) and honestly they were as good as they were more from fighting Michelin for a long time in said class and needing to be on their game as a supplier. They also had more leeway with the teams they supplied so they were able to get more accurate information on load cases and use the vehicles to do validation in a way that NASCAR has limited. The American division has to fight a series that is keen on limiting testing during the season, has a monopoly on the supply, and hasn't had to do such a major level of design work since probably 2013 or 2015 (Start of Gen 6 Aero, Start of Tapered Spacer Era). And I would imagine the cup tire at it's core is a rough rehash of something they have created for SCCA (in terms of a base) or for the LMP2 car. The problem then is made worse when you have directional setups that intentionally load the sidewalls at their max load case for a high multitude of laps. At it's core an LMP2 tire is likely only in those extreme cases for 10% of it's life since there is always an element of saving equipment for the endurance races. And SCCA drivers, while very good, will not get to the load cases the cup cars do. The problem was very consistently a break apart in the sidewall connection to the contact patch. You could best see it in the 17 tire. I would tend to argue based on that image that there is a strain case created by high camber angles (something less seen in LeMans or any other series running 18 inch tires) that's causing the belts to elongate (similar to what happened earlier on the LR) and after repeated cycles the elongated belts finally reached their fatigue limit. The fact that an idiot on Reddit can identify that failure mode just from a few screenshots from TV tells me something more fundamental is not being understood by the designers. The fact that they went through all the effort with the new tires for this race and still missed fixing the fundamental issue is by far the most disappointing thing. Like you have had opportunities to understand your load cases and they still are refusing to work with enough of a range in their cases to consider possible failure modes. Not saying that they need to test tires at full stance nation spec but would tend to say their current X% is not being based on their own data telling them where teams would be expected to target for peak performance.