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DivineWiseOne

Yes they are worth it, they have some of the best shapes and build quality in the game, I don't really care about software. The sensor is fine. Shape is king and they have some of this best.


SuperSunBros64

Thanks. It's like I said in another comment. I need to be talked into this. Cuz I like the look of their shape. It seems perfect for what I'm looking for. But it's $70 USD for a rubber wired mouse... :( And not even the latest top optical to at least sound fancy. I really wanna give it a try. But I definitely don't want to be burned over again


DivineWiseOne

I personally haven't had an issue with a sensor since the 3310 sensors, I own 20 mice so I have a fair idea about all sensors. At the end of the day sensors aren't going make you a better gamer or player the biggest difference maker is your ability to maneuver a mouse without feeling like something is getting in the way, most pros use the zowie sensors and have for years and you can find the most ridiculous shots made by them, I can assure you you won't be limited by a sensor other than the clout that you have the latest and greatest sensor. On the weight side of things 85 grams and under I consider lightweight after all the mice I own I'm not sure if a 50gram mouse helps me over a 90 gram. Anyway back to my reccomdations, of all the mice I've tried that can be compared to zowie in terms of build quality and shape is the XM1 and GPW, from my experience, Razer on their viper series I really dislike their finger grooves they're far too aggressive.


SuperSunBros64

Amazing. I really appreciate your input. The XM1 has been on my list of checking out


crispyfriedsquid

Zowie mice in my opinion are overpriced for what they bring. While I do main an FK2 I bought it used for $40. Still, they have real good build quality and most people seem to like the new coating. IMO the shapes are very good, really gives me confidence in aim. But still lacks in a lot of areas. Rubber cable for $70? I don't have any problems with the 3360, since today I'm still using a 3310 on an earlier model FK and have not had any problems. But for it's specs the shape can't justify it being more than $60 imo. Is the GPW a good fit for you? If it is, I'd recommend the G-Wolves Hati or the HK Gaming Mira M (Same shape as GPW, better feet and better weight). Although if you want a product of the Shape gods, the designer that made zowie shapes made themselves a brand called Vaxee. Their first mouse is on the smaller side though, and has not been released yet. Also, if you ever want to compare mouse shapes there is gearseach.gg


SuperSunBros64

That's also where I sit..that's why I came here. I just can't justify a mouse in 2020 with a rubber cable that costs $70 USD.... that is a good thing to know about sensors tho. Glad to know a 3360 is still great. The main thing that stops me from buying all these new light mice is I cannot stand having holes all over my mouse. It makes my stomach turn and my skin crawl. I do not like "wholly" mice. But I really appreciate you opinion and comment


_TheEndGame

Don't like holes? Cover it up with grip tape.


camelCase__

On paper, they might not be "worth it" in terms of features, but if you like to use them more than any other mouse, they probably are. Personal experience with the FK1-B: I technically have 20x10 cm hands, but my index finger is about 2 cm shorter than my middle finger, which I suspect is rather unusual. My problem became that a comfortable to reach spot on the left mouse button was so far back that the clicks were already too stiff to be really usable for me (using fingertip/relaxed claw). That might be something to be mindful of.


Tiwaa

I have 20x11 cm hand and i am using a relaxed claw grip. I've tried FK2, EC1, FK1+, model O, GPW, XM1, Zowie S1, Xtrfy m4, EC2 and a few more. Since the FK-B series is now available in black I will return to the FK1+ shape because it is just the best imo. The B version is also lighter than the previously iteration since they removed the right side buttons. FK1+ went from 95g to 86g FK1 went from 90g to 84g FK2 went from 85 to 80g. (Source benq) So as you can see the FK1+ actually lost the most amount of weight and sits at a very good medium weight. I really really did like the Zowie S1 size and weight (87g) but the shape (hump) is just putting me off, I need my low FK shape back. Finally, the clicks are a tiny bit lighter than the previous version. It's still a FK click but \~10g less actuation force required. Which I think is perfect. (source: Reviewers (weak source) & [This video doing testing](https://youtu.be/hbzkrjjC9Ck?t=266) (strong source)) I will paracord it and never look back again. Cheers!


SuperSunBros64

I really appreciate your input. I finally decided and I'm getting myself a za11-b. The high hump in the back is what I've been looking for as I like to palm and claw and sometimes palm-claw.


Tiwaa

> za11-b Awesome! I hope the shape works out for you! The weight on the za11-b is 8g lighter (90g --> 82g) than the non B version which is great since you're coming from the GPW at \~80g.


SuperSunBros64

Thanks! I hope so too. It's the only mouse shape I haven't tried as I've also used an ergo shaped mouse and wasn't a fan of the hump near my index finger. I love the G Pro but having no hump to support my big hands kinda sucks. I think the Zowie ZA shape will be what I'm looking for. Thanks again for the info. Glad the weights will be the same so I can keep practicing my nice flicks with pretty much the same weighed mouse.


m0use13

Zowie up to a few years ago was worth it. Sold to BenQ and seemed to stall. I mean by now they should have 3389 sensors in it. You don’t even get software. Simple is fine but at least keep up with technology.


SuperSunBros64

Ahh yeah. All of their "up to date" products do list they are only using a 3360 sensor. Shame. Finding a new mouse is hard :( don't wanna waste money. Already still wounded from buying my GPro only to get double clicking issues


throwawayjumpshot23

I wouldn't put too much weight on the popular opinions of r/mousereview, they may dissuade you from a perfectly good mouse. I have a viper mini, GPW, RVU, model o, model o-, model D-, mm710 (which is 3389), and Zowie EC2B and Zowie S2. I still main the S2. My hand size is pretty close to yours. It's nice to find different shapes for comfort but don't sweat differences between a 3360 and a 3389, you will not notice a difference. Even if you look for a difference, it won't affect your gameplay. LOD does affect your gameplay if you play low sens and lift your mouse a lot so at least consider that. In terms of weight, you will get used to any reasonably weighted mouse. 10/10 would recommend Zowie in 2020


SuperSunBros64

Interesting. So you'd recommend the FK1+-B? It's got the dimensions and shape I really like. I'm purely going for aim perfection. I could care less about rgb and which software is better. As long as I can have my 800dpi and the mouse fits me comfortably then I want to at least try it


Xtakovich

I have almost the same size hands and use a FK1+-B Divina Pink and love it. It works great and nothing about that mouse bothers me. That’s how I feel about Zowie, they may not have crazy bells and whistles but they almost always are sturdy and reliable.


SuperSunBros64

Thanks for you comment, I really appreciate it. Makes me leave towards buying one. Like I've commented before the thing that bothers me is they want $70 USD for a rubber wired mouse. :( Not even the top optical sensor either. I've been told the 3360 isn't bad by any means and that I won't notice in game any difference but idk. Still a nice selling point. Since we do have the same hand size and you really like it's comfort I feel like I might be willing to give zowie a try.


Xtakovich

I’d definitely highly recommend it. The cable to me isn’t that big of a deal. I honestly prefer the Zowie cable over the XM1 cable. The XM1 cable may be super flexible, but it’s also so light, it can coil on itself, can go under the mouse, or above and hit my hand at times. Again, that’s also a great mouse, but in my opinion, a bit more rigidity in the cord is actually what I prefer. Let me know if you have any other questions!


SuperSunBros64

I do actually. How deep are the comfort curves in M1 and ME? Like could you say more of a Deathadder kinda groove to them or more of a GPW small groove


Xtakovich

I can’t speak to the deathadder, it’s one of the only major mice I haven’t really tried, but the comfort grooves are there, but nothing major. I’d say more than the GPW, but less than the Viper (not sure if Razer share roughly the same grooves)


SuperSunBros64

I've used a Viper I get your reference. That's great tho. Sounds like what I want


throwawayjumpshot23

I can't say for sure you'd like the shape (FK1+ is considerably bigger than the S2) but from a performance standpoint it's great. I play a lot of CSGO.


PretttyFly4aWhiteGuy

Just file a claim and get a new one bro. It’ll take a week or two of correspondence before they actually get one sent out to you but they’ll do it.


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SuperSunBros64

Probably. I love the design of the mouse itself.


SuperSunBros64

I like the look of the XM1. The only thing that stops me is the grip width being 5.5cm. I'm worried it'll be too thin


Archgrim

Only reason to go for Zowie in the past was shape but there's so many better options with a similar shape to the FK now.


SuperSunBros64

What other mice out there have a similar shape I'd be interested in researching them


Archgrim

I don't use ambidextrous mice but some popular ones off the top of my head are: Model O, XM1, Razer Viper, DM1. I think they are all considered low profile ambidextrous mice.


SuperSunBros64

I dont like holes in my mine :( but I have been looking at the XM1 and I've tried a Viper my friend has. I wasn't a big fan. And what is the DM1? Interesting