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Phyrexian-Drip

Can you make results public I’m interested.


Sweatyballs2

turned on!


Silent_Beginning

How do I see the results?


Das_Hass_n_Gras

Click on See previous responses


Frankdog5

Love to see how many people seem to want punishing fire unbanned with the amount of complaining people do about fury/small creature decks being bad, as if both cards don’t do effectively the same thing.


Soulcommando

Fury can wipe an entire small creature board in one fell swoop for the low cost of 2 cards and 0 mana. Punishing Fire is slower and requires actual mana to be spent.


chukbuck

Also requires you to have a grove of the burnwillows. Fire is a bad card without a grove in play. I would actually really love playing that combo in Amulet.


Sweatyballs2

i made an unban list survey for those who wanted it: https://forms.gle/DbDvMAqAPXiguF5AA


BTYOR

Why are channel lands and force of negation on the list?


APe28Comococo

Really it’s Boseiju that people don’t like because it allows for great removal of hate cards that had traditionally required sideboard slots. I haven’t heard anyone really hate on FoN.


Eldebryn

Hot take maybe: FoN was meant to be a defensive response but with instant speed combos (violent outburst) in the format it is part of a Threat, so one of these could reasonably go imo.


doomsl

But banning force of negation over outbursts top 3 card in the format seems insane.


Eldebryn

Yeah agreed, I'm just trying to explain/guess OP's sentiment. Personally I think that since cascade decks got a 2nd sorcery speed 3cmc cascade on a body, it's fair to remove Outburst to avoid this FoN advantage they can have in counterspell wars, as it can be too much. FoN itself is powerful but that opponent turn clause makes it mostly fair, worth watching though. Against, just my opinion.


Flodomojo

No surprise though, the survey shows most people don't want anything except for companions banned. Modern is in a pretty healthy place right now with the most popular deck in Izzet Murktide not really dominating results. Why force a meta shakeup when things are fine the way they are?


Eldebryn

Fine is debatable. I am slightly on the side that modern is a "perfect imbalance" of busted/unhealthy decks right now. I don't think I like how most if not all the t1 decks feel like legacy decks due their value aggregation and velocity. However removing one piece will only make the the overs a bit more closer to "overwhelming" hence the perfect imbalance/storm metaphor. Essentially MH2 has created this circular wall of archetypes that are allowed to be tier1 and I suspect many of us don't like this separation.


Flodomojo

Hasn't modern always been a format dominated by a few T1 decks at any given time? I'm by no means a modern historian, but the prevalence of net decking over the past 10-15 years likely has more to do with any format homogenization than anything else. Formats are simply solved much faster than they have ever been before and the data is easily accesible to anyone with even a basic understanding of meta data websites. It just feels typical across many competitive games these days that the sheer amount of data available has bred homogenization to a point. I also wouldn't know how to solve it since banning any 3-4 cards wouldn't fix format imbalance and a new top dog would rise.


Eldebryn

Every format is, by game design definition. Seeing all those t1 be some result of MH sets feels frustrating for some people though hence the "horizons block format" joke. I don't think we ever had 1-2 sets definite modern by themselves to that extent, though I'm not an old player either. I realize it may sound irrational but I I'm trying to convey the feeling that modern is "technically healthy" but *somehow* feels a bit imbalanced because your deck can only be t1 if A) it abuses free-cast spells or B) uses a very specific mix of fair but absolutely pushed/optimal options (murktide+drc/ledger +ragavan). ThatMillGuy on YouTube did a video putting this feeling into words very aptly imo. Even though we have a plethora of diverse t1 decks, it sometimes feels like there are only 2-3 archetypes max, just with slightly different flavors that give the illusion of diversity. Once again, not calling for bans. Just sharing thoughts on the format here from my perspective and that of some fellows players.


DressedSpring1

Literally everybody saw this coming when it was printed except for a handful of people who tried to invalidate this argument because Storm didn’t want it


Eldebryn

Yeah, it's pretty weird that Wotc set out to remove fast mana from the format and proceeded to print a bunch of format defining 0mana spells.


LinkXNess

Not a hot take at all.


Sweatyballs2

some people feel uncounterable effects aren't fair, and some people don't like free counterspells or any pitch spell


CloudStern

I like surveys thank you sir


bkstr

where is tef3ri, a card that makes the game hearthstone for one player is insane and I play it in hammer and hate myself so please wizards save me my from my own self loathing


WateryGravy

I usually hear the main justification against banning teferi as it's the best hate against Cascade. I'd like to see teferi ans Violent Outbust go at the same time to shake up the format. It doesn't kill the Cascade decks but removes the Cascade with FoN backup lines and makes them more vulnerable to countermagic, while at the same time removing a lot of the non-games that teferi creates. I can't say this is perfect, but I'd love to see WotC explore a change in this direction.


VelikiUcitelj

>It doesn't kill the Cascade decks but removes the Cascade with FoN backup lines and makes them more vulnerable to countermagic You do realize that will absolutely kill Cascade decks?


WateryGravy

I'm not so sure, Cascade decks stop seeing their most prevalent maindeck hate card and can switch to other 3 mana Cascade cards like Ardent Plea. It likely hurts Rhinos more than Living End but there is already another Tier 1 URx Tempo deck in the format.


VelikiUcitelj

Banning Violent Outburst would do a lot to hurt cascade decks. It forces them to run Ardent Plea or Demonic Dread. Demonic Dread pretty much requires you to play a Dryad Arbor in the deck so you can create a target for Demonic Dread on your own. Because of this, people are more likely to play Ardent Plea which now makes the deck Bant rather than Temur. This leads to them not being able to play Blood Moon, Dead/Gone, Bonecrusher Giant, Fury nor Fire/Ice anymore. This is a HUGE hit against Rhinos. And Rhinos isn't even top of the meta. Another hit is not being able to play FoN anymore. This is an absurdly large hit against the decks. Not only can they no longer play against Counterspell but they can only Cascade at Sorcery speed too. The only reason Living End is at the top of the meta is because it's an interactive Combo deck. Should you take away their interaction how do you expect the deck to remain relevant?


WateryGravy

I think you're jumping to some pretty extreme conclusions there. There is no reason for Rhinos to drop red, they can still play all the cards you mentioned minus Blood Moon but get interesting pickups like Leyline Binding by adding white. I never said they won't play FoN either, they will just have to use for other thing than backing up their Cascade spell. Maybe they would drop it, maybe only cut a few. They still get all their other interaction, especially L.E., they can still FoN RiPs, Nihil Spellbombs, and Chalices. And they still get their other main interaction pieces in Grief and Dispute. I would fully expect L.E. to remain relevant.


VelikiUcitelj

>There is no reason for Rhinos to drop red The scenario where Rhinos doesn't drop red means they go for 4 colors. This makes their land base significantly worse and ruins some of their match ups. >I never said they won't play FoN either, they will just have to use for other thing than backing up their Cascade spell This is pretty much the sole purpose of FoN in the deck list. It's hardly ever cast if not to protect the cascade spell. This means that it's not good enough to guarantee a spot in the main deck. >They still get all their other interaction Like what? LE is left with Grief and that's it. Only after side boarding do they get to bring in Mystical Dispute and FoV. >I would fully expect L.E. to remain relevant. It would be as relevant as Jund LE is right now. Not at all. And Rhinos is the bigger loser in the scenario you've described anyway. What's the point to ruining decks that aren't problematic?


airplane001

They’ll run one of the other two 3-mana cascade spells


Careful-Pen148

They can cast whichever cascade spell they want, doesn't change the fact that the mechanic cannot function at sorcery speed.


BLtheavantasian

Dude, you cant cast a spell if the stsck is not empty and teferi is on play


Tyrinnus

The reddit morons out in droves bitching about Teferi when they don't even understand he literally stops cascade


Flaky-Ad-287

Indeed


Sweatyballs2

which printing are you talking about?


bkstr

the time raveler


dangerzone1122

Shocked that a lower percentage of people want to ban yorion than the companion mechanic seeing as yorion is the most abused companion.


Cpt_jiggles

Most people don't have an issue with a deck that would need to draw into yorion, or likely even lurrus. Having them always there as a contingency plan is the largest problem.


PreTry94

I'm always going to comment anywhere relevant until the mistake is fixed: Bridge from Below has nothing to do on the modern ban list. It has never been broken, never been format warping, doesn't violate the soft rules for why cards should be banned and the reason its banned is by far the weakest argument ever made when banning a card, made evidence by Hogaak (the real culprit) being banned 1 month later. "Bridge from Below is more likely to cause problems in the future [than Hogaak or Altar of Dementia]" -Wotc, in the middle of Hogaak Summer.


wingmanbro

Interesting, Preordain, splitertwin and punishing fire the only cards that got more than 50% votes to unban. Good sign for the banlist overall id say.


SoupLad

It hurts to see that less people want big bad ice mommy unbanned than I had thought. Not sure what depths was banned for originally but I assume there just aren’t enough answers to real cool girl winter in the format for a comfortable unban. Loam feels empty without looking down and seeing more tentacles than a hentai video in my graveyard. If they can’t unban big tentacle goth girlfriend at least give me some new lands to play with. Hindsight is 20/20 and so is Marit Lage so in hindsight maybe we shouldn’t have banned Marit Lage. This ad is sponsored by the Please Allow Me To Play A More Lands Centric Deck Foundation. Playing Dark Depths may have varying side effects such as Hating Ice Counters, Going To See A Lot Of Plays In Thespian,Dredging 3, Unreserve Tabernacle Cowards, Finally Feeling One Iota Of Joy In Your Bleak Life and Also Wishing Wasteland Would Get Printed into Modern. Talk to your LGS if you experience one or more of these symptoms. If you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant you should still play Dark Depths because it’s fun. Anyone claiming to be sponsored by or representing this foundation is lying.


blizzfreak

The problem with dark depths and other land cards like field of the dead is the lack of wasteland in the modern format to really interact with these cards. Your only options are ghost quarter or field of ruin, both of which put you behind on tempo. There's multiple ways to abuse dark depths, and it's likely Amulet Titan would just combo with it more often than it creating a new diverse set of decks.


[deleted]

Birthing Pod is sitting at an almost 50/50 split, only slightly in favor of not unbanning.


Flodomojo

Wouldn't Pod with the pitch elementals allow you to evoke them and sac in response to the evoke trigger? I'm not huge into modern but I could see that being very easily abused since they are the most played cards in modern from MH2 and in general.


chukbuck

Birthing pod says sorcery speed. Can’t activate with the evoke trigger on the stack.


Flodomojo

Ah yes, reading the card explains the card. My bad.


[deleted]

You can respond to the evoke trigger on the stack and pod away your threat, and while they would be good I don't think it would be broken good. From what I have seen, a pod deck MUST be Green/White, or Green/Blue, other colors are just a bonus. I think a big thing holding it back is pod is turn 2/3 play, and if done turn 2, you can't really activate it, and turn 3 if you do activate it you aren't able to get max value behind the elementals; you could use undying evil, but then you need even more mana. You could technically use one elemental to get to another one, but I think combing with pod is still much better.


coolmodern

Force and channel lands are particularly confusing. Missing expressive iteration as a watchlist card.


Sweatyballs2

added


Deadicate

I never really saw the issue with this card, it's a dig 3, get potentially 2 but potentially 1 sorcery?


FearLegend

Its a 2 mana draw 2 out of 3 cards.


kami_inu

It's a great play on T3 because you can make sure you hit land #3 with it. Then late game it sends away some garbage, and generally gets you a 2 for 1. There's a spectrum you can put powerful cards on: in your face blatantly powerful (ancestral recall is an obvious example) through to subtly sneakily powerful. EI is absolutely in the latter. And the comparison to AR is just because it's an obviously powerful card to anyone who's played - I'm not saying EI is a comparably good card.


mrfshEfsh

It’s card selection and card advantage in one card for 2 mana. It’s bonkers.


Canas123

It's better than DTT, and DTT is banned


doomsl

It is not better then dig thro time who are you kidding? Dtt has no deck building restrictions at all except maybe not playing murktide.


Canas123

Iteration doesn't really have any deck building restrictions either, except for being able to produce red and blue mana And yes, DTT makes it harder to play cards like murktide, while also being much harder to chain multiple copies of in the lategame, which is a pretty common play pattern with iteration


Next_Yngwie

Definitely not better than DTT. I agree the color restriction is not that hard, but sorcery speed, the potential to only get one card (soft restriction on things like mana cost of your other cards), and looking at 3 cards instead of 7 are huge differences. EI is a super powerful card that needs to be watched, but DTT is still better.


AitrusX

Deckbuilding “cost” of not running expensive cards… found the lurrus player?


Terbmagic

Iteration is a better card than dig. It's essentially always the best card you can draw off the top from turn 4 on. It has no restrictions. People act like dig has never sat in their hand costing 6 mana before.


Flodomojo

Then maybe dig needs to be unbanned. Is EI warping the meta or propping up entire archetypes by itself? It's powerful for sure but where's the data supporting such a ban?


EmrakuI

TIL we hate Yorion


Unit-00

It get's lumped in with peoples general hate for companions. which I agree with.


airplane001

Yorion is fine tbh


soontobeDVM2022

I don't think all the pitch elementals are bad. Just fury


[deleted]

Fury is the most egregious. Solitude is definitely second. But I do think the other three are just fine.


throwawayguy746

Grief is far more degenerate than solitude to me


Ironshield185

Grief has a very high ceiling, but Solitude and Fury can throttle games/metas all by themselves.


Aunvilgod

its not degenerate at all. its a fucking 2 for one thats mediocre vs fair decks and preys on degenerate decks.


throwawayguy746

Not saying it needs to be banned but it’s firmly in second place for most offensive. Also legitimately only sees play in unfair decks or with the intent of cheesing the evoke trigger. The play patterns it creates are not the best. It’s more 0 mana interaction for living end(the modern deck that gets to play with force of will) and it has the scam/ephemerate play pattern of unmasking your opponent 3 times before they can take a draw step and leaving a beater behind.


Xerfus

Solitude shits on emrakul and scourge of skyclaves. Fuck that card, for real.


GibsonJunkie

My main gripe with them is that WotC spent so much fuckin time saying they didn't want free spells in the format either explicitly or implicitly, but now they keep printing free spells to sell their dumb format rotating special sets. From a practical standpoint, I also think it sucks shit they're mythic rares and playsets of the stupid cards cost over $100 in many cases because of it.


Necrocreature

I think the problem isn't their power level, but they (and similar free spells, like Force of Negation) really hurt the identity of Modern, in my opinion. Free spells are Legacy's thing, not Modern. However, I don't think they should be banned.


doomsl

Free spells are definitely not legacy identity. Brainstorm, fow ,fast mana ,wasteland. I can’t really think of another 0 mana spell of the top that is that great in the format.


airplane001

Daze?


kewlkid77

You tripping lol


BigDSimmons1

How about t3feri? Should be on the list for sure.


throwawayguy746

Big time.


APe28Comococo

I just vote banning the companion mechanic and unban Lurrus.


Savings_Fix_6625

Just add a new rule that makes the good companions like lurrus and yorion banned as companion and not banned from being in the deck, something similar could be applied to commander as well


Necrocreature

But that doesn't change the fact the companion mechanic was a mistake and shouldn't exist.


Ricky-92

Even MaRo admitted that Companion wasn't fully tested (due to both Mutate consuming too much playtest time to make it clear and smooth and the pandemic forcing everyone out of the office).


driver1676

Lutri and Keruga have had it way too good for way too long


Necrocreature

I agree, the stupid overpowered otter needs to be cut down to size!


Savings_Fix_6625

True, but outside of a few cases, it isn't overly powerful


X0V3

Even if it was 7 mana for a 1/1 I'd still be against companions,


chacun-des-pas

This is a psychotic opinion frankly


The_Coolest_Sock

I know I am the best modern player, for none of the cards I play are on that list .


Better_Efficiency391

The people who want punishing fire unbanned really don't understand what they're asking for


Cerealbobman

I would have said yes to omnath.


Sweatyballs2

added


The_Bird_Wizard

The fact that more than 10% of people want Skullclamp unbanned is really concerning.


SaucerorEUW

Im playing since 8E and I voted for unban to give x/1 decks a chance in this format. Clamp might do the trick, maybe a little too good, but with how good fury is and how good the format is prepared for 1cmc artifacts thanks to hammer and saga, I feel like it could be okay. Personaly I think jitte would do a similiar thing and be far more balaned than clamp and is a safer unban.


hidster95

Jitte Kills creature Decks as efficiently as Fury and clamp is just too good there is a reason why its banned in legacy


WubDubClub

Why do people think ponder and preordain are too good to be unbanned?


hidster95

The Card selection is at its best in Combo Decks it would Just make them too consistent and i think Combo Decks dont need that consistency boost in modern they are already good


chukbuck

I think preordain is fine but I think it also makes Murktide a bit too good.


ofruine

All it would do is push control and deliver even higher than they already are. Pot of greed philosophy


Das_Hass_n_Gras

Only thing I'd vote for is Expressive Iteration. I'd vote for pitch elementals because Endurance feels like a 2/3 hard counter to mill but I guess it really isn't that bad


Amudeauss

I'm honestly shocked that Rag currently has only a 28% vote to ban rate


Unit-00

Why? the cards fine


hidster95

I hate the Card every time i See it i want to rant 2 hours on how absurd it is but i remind myself that its fine in modern and probably doesnt need a Ban


FourDogsinaHorseSuit

You forgot DRC


magic_ryan

To the people saying unban pod. You really wanting to live in the world where you get Griefed pod into Solitude? Or Turn 2 Scion of Draco, turn 3 Pod into Emrakul the promised end? I fucking don't


ominousmilk

Why isnt bauble on here?


doomsl

The amount of answers on the list is insane. This list feels like I lost to interaction and I am mad.


Dezyphr

Fury because it’s oppressive and wrenn because it’s a hyper efficient enabler for so many decks.


TemurTron

Yorion should definitely be on there. I’d also get a kick out of seeing how many people hate Teferi. Can you add some unbans too?


sailiesthemeyes

ban [[abundant growth]] it might sound weird at first but it helps 4/5 color decks for too little of a cost. It also allows omnath decks to not only play around [[blood moon]] but can even play it themselves. [[arcum's astrolabe]] is banned is most formats and [[prophetic prism]] is banned in pauper. mana fixing on a cantrip is really unbalanced


MTGCardFetcher

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kami_inu

No abundant growth as a totally-not-astrolabe in disguise?


RyanHenno98

Ephemerate should absolutely be on here.


airplane001

Ephemerate sucks without pitch elementals


RyanHenno98

I really don’t mind the pitch elementals by themselves, but effectively doubling the ETB and taking away the sacrifice for one white mana? Get that card out of here. (Elves player btw and Fury in Rakdos isn’t nearly the beater that it is in 4C with Ephemerate).


calmingRespirator

I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but it’s insane to me how few people think abundant growth should be banned. It’s such a huge reason why the 4 colour decks work without an extremely painful mana base. And does a lot to make Yorion as powerful as it is. I think banning it could do a lot of good.


GuilleJiCan

I'm missing the instant cascade card (violent outburst?) to make cascade decks resolve at sorcery speed.


Flodomojo

Wouldn't that kill cascade decks? Probably one of the single most impactful bannings they could make in the current format.


GuilleJiCan

I doubt it, as they go off at sorcery speed already half of the time. But they wouldn't let them play force of will to protect the combo.


Flodomojo

I think you mean Force of Negation, but besides that, are Violent Outburst + FoN decks dominating the meta and tournament results right now? I haven't put the time in to research it, but if they are, it might make sense to ban either VO or FoN. If these decks are consistently strong but other archetypes are still able to post consistent results as well, what's the justification for banning these cards? Wouldn't such a banning simply boost the decks that are weak to instant speed cascade, further cementing their dominance? Seems like the only way to responsibly ban in a format that has 4-5 true T1 decks with a few just below that, would be to take some power away from several of those T1 decks.


GuilleJiCan

I wouldn't really ban it, but I was surprised to not see any cascade card in the poll. Even if it is not a great argument in favor of banning violent outburst, at least there IS an argument.


Flodomojo

Ok that makes sense. Thank you. I've just seen such a variety of cards being thrown out for being ban worthy in this thread but of course nobody is supporting their claims.


MTG_beaver

my personal opinion: Making the bannings a democratic thing is a clear path to total format destruction.... Very curious about this initiative :D


Flodomojo

Same, mostly because I feel like many people would choose to ban cards based on personal vendetta more than hard data. It's ok for cards you dislike to be in the meta, and bannings in a format as vast as modern should really be limited to cards that are warping the meta around them or are posting oppressive results in tournaments. OUaT, Oko, Hoogaak, Faithless, Uro, etc were all banned for dominating the modern landscape and forcing homogenization on everyone. I'm mostly a modern noob and only follow tournaments lightly, but I haven't seen any single decks or cards absolutely dominating the meta, except for maybe the pitch elementals as a whole. UR Murktide is the most common deck but it's not like it's dominating tournaments and posting all wins and there appear to be at least 8-10 solid T1 decks that can win big, with a variety of other decks just below in the T2 list. I'm a data person so if someone has data showing that Teferi, Omnath, Violent Outburst, the elementals are causing huge problems, I could get behind a ban, but banning based on opinions that could be completely off the mark and fueled by reddit hype seems silly.


[deleted]

As someone who has been playing since before standard was a thing, Modern ATM is one of the most open formats i can remember seeing for years. There is a place for everything and there is enough good cards to support almost all decks ( Except mardu for some reason ) The only thing i can see being banned is saga but that's more with what we expect the next set to include and if they did it would be a clear indicator of a few cards that we might see there.


i_am_thefoo

If that the case what would your thoughts on cards being unbanned like birthing pod, green sun zenith, eye of ugin


[deleted]

Eye 100% should stay, Green sun with there being so many decks that make so much mana so fast needs to stay there and not really sure on Pod as it was not something i ever really played or played against when it was big so would need to see how broken it was.


i-ll_capwn

Eyy, where’s Mishra’s Bauble? Eff that card.


rhiehn

It's insane to me that more people want omnath banned than ragavan. Ragavan is the best card in the format, honestly by a fairly wide margin of you ask me, but I still am not really for banning it.


scumble_2_temptation

This actually makes perfect sense to me. Ragavan, despite being powerful, is much more manageable when you’re looking at him across the table. It’s kind of weird comparing a 1 drop to a 4 drop that go into very different styles of decks, but at this point, I’ve learned to respect Ragavan’s power in a game without fearing it. I’ve played a fair deal with and against him, and it’s never like “crap, this game is over” when he lands. Omnath, on the other hand often feels like a game over if he lands. Ragavan is killed by just about every maindeckable piece of interaction run in Modern, so most decks are already chock full of stuff to stop him. He also needs to connect for him to be do anything useful, which means your opponent really needs to be working hard to keep the board clear, or he looks rather silly. I’ve also never really understood the comparison to DRS, since DRS is like a swiss-army knife that does what you need it to, without having the restriction of connecting in combat.


Ironic_Laughter

Pitch Elementals I could see a good argument for (mill player but even I'm not 100% sold on their outright ban, maybe restricted?) Wrenn needs to go, then Omnath is less certain/oppressive, Ragavan needs the boot too, obscenely good card. Literally just better Robber of the Rich


ArtOfLosing

No bans, unban pod and twin.


Snapingbolts

I'd 100% rebuild kiki pod


i_am_thefoo

I wasn't around for splinter twin and Kiki pod so what was so bad about the deck? And what cards printed from the banning would be a hindrance for the deck


SSBM_fanatic

Honestly, there’s nothing really Hogaak level. I think people are just mad that Modern Horizons 2 changed the format. I think it’s boring that Modern Jund was the best deck for 12 years… like maybe a meta switch was healthy for the format?


Deadicate

we should move the meta around again and just print more busted stuff in mh3 that makes mh2 look bad? We then have Yu-Gi-Oh on our hands


DontBanYorion

> we should move the meta around again and just print more busted stuff in mh3 that makes mh2 look bad? You can simultaneously believe that nothing is banworthy, but also that any further Horizons sets would be unhealthy for the format. I personally never want to see MH3 and think the community should be more vocal in demanding a new Modern Masters set in its place, but I also think it would be ludicrous to ban any one card with how the meta has stabilized.


Deadicate

I'm just saying, if mh2 was the time for a large meta shift, mh3 should be another. Why do we arbitrarily decide post-mh2 to pre-mh3 should be where we stop?


DontBanYorion

Because we can't rewind time, because banning a dozen cards isn't an option, and because it would lead to the least harm and most meta stability.


Deadicate

Right, so just print more busted stuff in mh3 so the meta could possibly be more stable?


DontBanYorion

It doesn't get more stable than what we have now, no need to rock the boat. Count your blessings.


Deatheater900

Um, modern jund was never the best deck. Even when it had deathrite shaman. People just like crappy midrange decks lmao


Ultimaya

Im hoping for a Yorion, Omnath, and expressive iteration ban.


GG_Henry

Just ban modern right?


Dominator546

I feel like unholy heat and prismatic ending are worth an add


john_dune

What do you play? Both those cards are fair.


Dominator546

I play temur rec so i don’t really care about either of these spells, prismatic ending sometimes. I agree prismatic ending is the epitome of fair, 1 for 1 no mana parity but it pushes out so many archetypes that would generally have a strong game one due to having a hard to answer permanent type game one. Unholy heat i think is almost certainly unfair, one mana 6 damage is almost hard removal in the format and makes a lot of 4-5 mana planeswalkers completely unplayable


harambae42069

Why is punishing fire even banned?


Chairfighter

Modern is already hostile enough to x/1s. Dont need an even more oppressive effect on top of that.


airplane001

Fire seems like a good counter to hammer time


Chairfighter

and every other small creature strategy


xKoney

At the time, it was combined with [[Grove of the Burnwillows]] in Jund to effectively invalidate all x/2s


MTGCardFetcher

[Grove of the Burnwillows](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/e/de4b75ad-7539-4184-a940-6014a0327b3a.jpg?1562854707) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grove%20of%20the%20Burnwillows) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/238/grove-of-the-burnwillows?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de4b75ad-7539-4184-a940-6014a0327b3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Tse7en5

Unban stuff. Everything in this list is fine.


KarnSilverArchon

I would ban Murktide Regent before all of these.


GermexiDude

Fr fr, only card on this list worth a discussion is w6 and even then it's iffy. Card is great and enables 4 color decks to thrive but is it ban worthy rn? No, but down the road it probably will.


noopsgib

Idk man, Omnath is such an offensive card. Like, it single-handedly invalidates midrange and control archetypes because he’s both the best midrange card and the best control card.


GermexiDude

In my defense, I took the survey before omnath was added and I 100% agree with you.


Sweatyballs2

added


KarnSilverArchon

Nice. Also Omnath only has “Option 1” under him.


Sweatyballs2

fixed, thanks for pointing that out!


MoistPast2550

Yawg?


Flaky-Ad-287

Lol Wrenn and Six it's fine


UrFreakinOutMannn

#freetwin


DontBanYorion

So far in the results, there's no majority support for banning any specific card. There is majority support on this sub for banning the companion mechanic, but that suggestion is a complete joke anyway, has never even been hinted as a possibility by WotC, and we all know it's never going to happen. It also amuses me that a nonzero number of people think Force of Negation, of all things, should be banned. Like, yeah, I'm really trembling in terror at Living End's dominance in the meta right now (sorry to any Living End enthusiasts).


Deth-Zarr

Super interesting survey! I am surprised at how divided the omnath option is. Thanks OP!


trippykid42069

Companion does not belong in modern imo


Thac0bro

Abundant Growth and all Companions should go. I'm neutral on Wrenn and Six and Omnath. If they disappeared it wouldn't bother me, but I'm also okay with them. Everything else is fine. Fury is the strongest elemental, but banning him isn't as interesting as bufffing tribal with new cards.


Stuckov

I dont agree on putting All pitch elementals together. I only want to vote the colors I am not playing.


squadcarxmar

I said no to pitch elementals because a blanket yes or no on all five is very unfair. I'm not necessarily saying I'd vote yes to any of them but I definitely am not saying to ban \[\[Endurance\]\], \[\[Subtlety\]\], or \[\[Grief\]\]. I might be more inclined to say yes to \[\[Fury\]\] or \[\[Solitude\]\] but I'm not certain it's really necessary. ​ I do find it funny that the results are showing a majority dislike of the companion mechanic and/or Yorion. I don't think the mechanic is a good one. I like some of the cards but I simply don't like the companion mechanic. Sometimes the deck restriction is hardly a restriction. Yorion and Lurrus feel like they compensate very little compared to something like the even/odd ones. I feel the single pip mana one is often barely a restriction as well. The upside of having a late game free body + up-side effect far outweighs that Hammertime can't run Kaldra Compleat or that 4-color piles have to run a few tutors and replacing cards (Omnath and Abundant). Death's Shadow is doing fine without needing double pips in the deck and now it has a 5/5 body it has access to. Whether you like that or not about Companions is up to you. I personally am not a fan of it and would be glad to see the mechanic go and allow the actual cards to be ran like any other card in the game. Then we can see if there's actually any problematic ones. Because running a 1-of Lurrus is not going to help Hammertime often enough in the late game like having it as a companion would and I don't see Hammertime running a bunch of copies of it either. I could be wrong. The only one I feel that maybe I'm wrong about that I voted a yes for banning is Omnath. I don't like the card, it replaces itself, it provides 4 life on any land drop and you can choose to turn a fetchland into 4 mana if you crack it your turn or into 4 more life on your opponents turn (netting anywhere from 5-7 life). All of that being backed up by some of the strongest creature answers in the format (pitch elementals) just leads to frustration for me. I feel pretty confident about all of my votes except for \[\[Omnath, Locus of Creation\]\] though. I said yes to Companions and \[\[Yorion, Sky Nomad\]\] simply due to being a companion and I said yes on unbanning Birthing Pod and Splinter Twin. I don't think they're fast enough to be the powerhouse they used to be. I don't think I'd even bother with \[\[Birthing Pod\]\] in Yawgmoth. I'd maybe experiment with it but I feel \[\[Chord of Calling\]\] and \[\[Eldritch Evolution\]\] do it better with how the deck is currently set up.


MTGCardFetcher

##### ###### #### [Endurance](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/b/eb0e0404-4846-4891-acfa-bd0951ecf9c6.jpg?1626097375) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Endurance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/157/endurance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb0e0404-4846-4891-acfa-bd0951ecf9c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Subtlety](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/0/701256d5-1389-48b7-9581-d6037209bd06.jpg?1626095059) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Subtlety) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/67/subtlety?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/701256d5-1389-48b7-9581-d6037209bd06?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Grief](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/6/e6befbc4-1320-4f26-bd9f-b1814fedda10.jpg?1626095577) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/87/grief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e6befbc4-1320-4f26-bd9f-b1814fedda10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fury](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/d/bd281158-8180-40b9-a5b7-03cfc712d81a.jpg?1626096626) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fury) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/126/fury?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd281158-8180-40b9-a5b7-03cfc712d81a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Solitude](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/7/47a6234f-309f-4e03-9263-66da48b57153.jpg?1626094105) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Solitude) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/32/solitude?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47a6234f-309f-4e03-9263-66da48b57153?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Omnath, Locus of Creation](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/e/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617.jpg?1639436752) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Omnath%2C%20Locus%20of%20Creation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/232/omnath-locus-of-creation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4e4fb50c-a81f-44d3-93c5-fa9a0b37f617?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Yorion, Sky Nomad](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/7/275426c4-c14e-47d0-a9d4-24da7f6f6911.jpg?1616182288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yorion%2C%20Sky%20Nomad) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/232/yorion-sky-nomad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/275426c4-c14e-47d0-a9d4-24da7f6f6911?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Birthing Pod](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/7/b768efa2-e56b-4a7e-ace8-d673f10e0714.jpg?1562880960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Birthing%20Pod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/104/birthing-pod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b768efa2-e56b-4a7e-ace8-d673f10e0714?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Chord of Calling](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/a/dac257a9-39bf-4185-9d2e-f80f0848a96a.jpg?1599707002) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chord%20of%20Calling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/158/chord-of-calling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dac257a9-39bf-4185-9d2e-f80f0848a96a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Eldritch Evolution](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/f/efcb00e5-2caa-45c8-ad19-05d45c683d16.jpg?1576384769) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eldritch%20Evolution) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/155/eldritch-evolution?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/efcb00e5-2caa-45c8-ad19-05d45c683d16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Roosterdude23

Yall are crazy


WarwornDisciple

G-tron player here for the obligatory "unban eye of ugin" lol no seriously though, it was between eldrazi temple and eye of ugin and I'm still not 100% sure it should have been eye. 🤷‍♂️


Subies_and_Boobies

A lot of these percentages surprise me except for Twin. Good job Twin players for currently having the largest percentage of "Yes" for an unban! Go go go!


ProtectionIntrepid11

Faithless looting is banned


WatsonToYa

Imagine wanting yorion banned cause you lost to control. Loool scrubs.


mtg92025

Every day this sub: “Ban Ban And More ban”! That’s is all!


Unit-00

Well this poll is doing a good job showing who is actually the vocal minority in these discussions


Unit-00

Good to see that all my choices line up with the majority


Unit-00

Also my unban pics were toxic af. totally just cards I'd enjoy playing with can come off the list and the ret can stay banned


crazybaloth

Most bannable cards imo are violent outburst and mishras bauble. Bauble is kinda not problematic at this instant because lurrus is gone but it's a problematic design in a deep cardpool.