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DailyAvinan

Guys, Cascade decks can play this. 👀


Jasmine1742

that was my first thought, seems really solid there.


BabamMTG

5C rhinos is baaaaack


The_Upvote_Beagle

Seems worse than just playing Borrower. Borrow pitches to Force, is a backup threat, and will always be 2 mana, allowing you to cascade turn 3.


Jasmine1742

this will pretty much always be 2 mana in 4 color as well. It can even be one on turn 2 pretty easily if you play triomes. I think it's quite good.


BabamMTG

It can be 1 mana in 4c very easily, just fetch Indatha on one into steam vents, and then for the rest of your spells just fetch into anything really. You don’t even need to add Omnath, though you probably should. Teferi + this is incentive enough to add white as a splash and off color triomes for domain to RUG rhinos.


CapableBrief

Por que no los dos?


jwf239

Not the worst thing you could hit with calibrated blast either.


BasedDonJuan

i don't think it has any use in calibrated blast


iceman012

The deck already plays [[Consign//Oblivion]] and [[Crime//Punishment]] in the sideboard, which just have +1 MV. I could see this being tested in the place of Consign as a catch-all removal spell that dodges [[Force of Negation]] and [[Flusterstorm]].


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iceman012

I mean, Calibrated Blast is the deck that's quickest to get full domain and has an obvious interest in spells that have a high MV but can be cast for cheap. Even if this isn't good enough to see testing, it really shouldn't be a surprise that people think of it when reading the card. As for the utility of the split cards in the sideboard: every single list I've seen in recent 5-0 dumps or challenge results plays Crime//Punishment in the sideboard. This includes [a challenge top 8 this weekend](https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-challenge-2022-08-22?1201#zeekery_th_place) and [a challenge win the previous weekend](https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-challenge-2022-08-14?120#lucasgggs_st_place), so it's not just random players. Roughly half of the lists I saw played Consign//Oblivion. Your opinion that the sideboard should only be lands definitely doesn't seem to match that of the wider playerbase.


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CapableBrief

Have you actually gathered any data on this? How many games do you lose by being a bit short on damage vs games where you lose due to not being about to interact with a card on the board?


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Boneclockharmony

I mean, humans are notoriously bad at estimating stuff like this. Same thing as with poker... hence why you study poker through running sims in solvers and actually mathing out situations rather than by feel. Not saying you are wrong, I don't play the deck, just as a poker player I am sure you know how unreliable we humans are when it comes to estimating the frequency of good/bad outcomes. If we look at goldfish, literally every single calibrated blast deck plays crime/punishment in the sideboard. Including a player like zeekery, who has league and challenge top 8 results with the deck going back 4 months. Now, maybe everyone is just copying one pilot but I think with how overwhelming the consensus on this card is, the argument that non-land is unplayable, needs some backing up.


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##### ###### #### [Consign//Oblivion](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=430838&type=card&.jpg)/[Oblivion](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=430838&type=card&options=rotate270&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Consign%20//%20Oblivion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/149/consign-oblivion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1c1ead90-10d8-4217-80e4-6f40320c5569?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Crime//Punishment](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Crime%20%2F%2F%20Punishment&type=card&options=rotate90&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crime%20//%20Punishment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dis/150/crime-punishment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2edeab08-86eb-4fa8-ba24-23dacb32e0fd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Force of Negation](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/8/1825a719-1b2a-4af9-9cd2-7cb497cd0317.jpg?1655823875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Force%20of%20Negation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/50/force-of-negation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1825a719-1b2a-4af9-9cd2-7cb497cd0317?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Flusterstorm](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/9/f900eeb7-7c45-44bc-ad3a-0bbe594ecf50.jpg?1562856071) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Flusterstorm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/55/flusterstorm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f900eeb7-7c45-44bc-ad3a-0bbe594ecf50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Dr_Creepster

This is terrible in calibrated blast


PippoChiri

My boy [[Territorial Kavu]] sure likes this one


AcademyRuins

One mana Oblivion Ring is definitely efficient enough to see play. Even at two mana, this sort of effect isn't embarrassing. I'd guess a lot of it is going to come down are non-naturally Domain decks willing to play an off color Triome in order to include this? Prismatic Ending hitting one drops T1 on the draw means this card isn't an upgrade. This would be most interesting to me in 4C decks that don't want to play Heat. The issue there though is you'd be trading instant speed removal like Bolt for another piece of sorcery speed interaction. Regardless, it's hard to see a world where an effect this versatile for this cheap doesn't show up. EDIT: Missed Flash. I would definitely try swapping Bolt with this in non-Delirium 4C lists at least. Trading one of the Triomes for an off-color one to hit full Domain seems worth it knowing this has flash.


redmandoto

This is not sorcery speed. It has flash.


AcademyRuins

Oops, missed that, thanks. Talk about pushed.


Arthur_M_

One mana oblivion ring, with flash. This is a good card.


CanISellYouABridge

It's got flash, they're not trading in an instant for a sorcery.


BabamMTG

This card has flash. It’s W, solve anything at instant speed. Seems very good.


iwumbo2

I splash green in my UWr control deck just for Prismatic Ending for 4. I don't think it's too far out of the question.


ShinzoFTW

Rise up my Domain Zoo brothers


saltnsolar

Def going in maaaa zoooo


TKOS7

Calling it now this is gonna absolutely suck to play against. Really tired of 4/5c decks getting rewarded when there’s just so little cost for being rainbow.


driver1676

You know what every deck that can play the best card in every color at almost no cost needed? Pushed universal answers that no other deck gets. With Eldraine I’d be happy in mono color decks got a bone nearly half as good as this, but all the existing Adamant cards kind of suck so I’m holding my breath


powatk20

Is there a 'high cmc matters' card that is modern playable to combo with this and scion?


donethemath

There is Calibrated Blast, but I don't think that's quite what you're looking for


iwumbo2

I'd argue Calibrated Blast would rather run something like Commit // Memory as a removal spell. Hits for 10 off Calibrated Blast, is instant speed, has a bit of flexibility to delay a spell.


donethemath

I don't actually think Binding is good in the Calibrated Blast deck. It technically answered the question, but I doubt anyone is planning on trying it.


Transocialist

This is also instant speed.


BabamMTG

Kergua, but idk if a 5C Keruga pile is any better than a Yorion pile


KikiMac77

Sort of Cascade, if you want to skip over removal and hit [[Tribal Flames]]/[[Territorial Kavu]]


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[Tribal Flames](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/2/d22418cd-4c49-4754-aa75-17f6eaf1639a.jpg?1562267854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tribal%20Flames) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm2/132/tribal-flames?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d22418cd-4c49-4754-aa75-17f6eaf1639a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Territorial Kavu](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/6/2605df98-0b02-4aab-bc36-01e93c693743.jpg?1634366740) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Territorial%20Kavu) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/216/territorial-kavu?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2605df98-0b02-4aab-bc36-01e93c693743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


donethemath

This cards seems nuts


ragingopinions

This card is absurd against Murktide Regent good against Titan but it probably fights for inclusion against the Delirium package in Yorion Omnath decks. I suspect [[Traverse the Ulvenwald]] is too strong to cut but I could see this helping spawn a Domain version with [[Territorial Kavu]] instead of Icefang Coatl and Scion. Excited to test it, seems good.


Inmolatus

So basically domain zoo? Kavu, Scion, tribal flames is the core of that deck already. Some have played omnath in it too.


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[Traverse the Ulvenwald](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/b/bbc69a17-db08-4b4a-bc37-98a12ea108dc.jpg?1576385271) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Traverse%20the%20Ulvenwald) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/234/traverse-the-ulvenwald?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbc69a17-db08-4b4a-bc37-98a12ea108dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Territorial Kavu](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/6/2605df98-0b02-4aab-bc36-01e93c693743.jpg?1634366740) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Territorial%20Kavu) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/216/territorial-kavu?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2605df98-0b02-4aab-bc36-01e93c693743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


GuilleJiCan

Boseiju exists, but yeah, this one is good.


Alpacaduck

The only tribal Hashoes supports is 4c Money Tribal.


Metropolis39

what do yall think of this in Glimpse Combo?


Masterdrafter92

I'm gonna try it there for sure! Glimpse was missing early interaction, other than Fury. This is really cool. Now we have 12 cards that we can cast on turn 2, with this, evoked Fury and evoked Wavesifter. This requires cutting the Khalni Gardens for 1-2 Triomes + 2-3 other lands (shocks and fetches?), but I think I'm okay with that.


Metropolis39

yeah. its a bit awkward with K Garden and Cavern of ur on that version. still probably worth trying tho. i think even at 2 mana a flash oring is good


AAABattery03

… When [[Prismatic Ending]] was spoiled, a lot of people (including myself) said that it was a fantastic and incredibly fair design for something so flexible. This is like… the opposite of that. It’s an unfair, pushed design that will be bad in most decks, but will be absolutely **miserable** to see in 5C Omnath and Cascade…


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Is it that much better than [[Cast Out]]? It gets down to 2 mana if you play into Blood Moon as hard as possible.


doomsl

4 c brings in magus of the moon from the side so I don’t think it will be a problem for them.


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It's a question of speed. They'll eventually play it for one but is it viable?


doomsl

They can play it for 1 on turn 2. Fetch triome into shock. You raised questions about moon people don’t even bring moon in against them.


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If this is a known line does that change?


doomsl

No. Because they can also play abundant growth and ignore your moon effect. They can also go turn 1 white shock turn 2 hold the fetch and be able to respond with a 1 mana o ring or just fetch basics.


ragingopinions

Just because it hates on Titan worse than itself.


doomsl

Yea and no. They can fetch around there own moon effect easily.


ragingopinions

Wait Titan or 4c? Cause Magus is to help in the Amulet Titan matchup, which is pretty unfavourred for 4c.


AAABattery03

1. 1 or 2 mana is way better than 4-mana for the same effect. 2. 4C isn’t soft to Blood Moon at all. An active T3f automatically resolves the problem. Fetching basics with Wrenn and waiting to gain more types solves the problem. Abundant Growth on any nonabasic you fetched solves the problem. Boseiju with a basic Forest in play solves the problem. Prismatic Ending with the right combination of basics and growths solves the problem. They have so *many* outs to Moon effects that I’ve stopped boarding them in for the matchup entirely. 3. In the ***absolute*** worst case, this card can still answer a Moon for 4 mana at instant speed if you have a Basic Plains and three non basics for some reason. In the matchups where Moon isn’t yet involved, this is turn 2 removal against **any** permanent with no mana value restrictions.


ragingopinions

I actually think Blood Moon still requires playing around - especially now that Force of Vigor has been dropped from sideboards. You need to actually draw the correct cards and in decks like Murktide can out run you. Yeah Moon isn’t game over which is good/bad depending on your POV but it isn’t that actively bad.


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TNCNeon

Missing Ragavan turn 1 and Saga completely is a bit annoying but it's not very far off. Might see a bit of niche play here and there but I would be surprised if more than that. Mostly for missing Ragavon T1 on the draw and only working on the play if you skip T1 by by fetching a Triome


darzyn

It works on the play if you fetch two shocks that don’t share a land type.


Jasmine1742

don't forget triomes, alot of 4 color decks have at least one. Making it much less rough on the mana.


X_WhyZ

You can fetch a shock on turn 1, fetch a triome on turn 2 and still cast this on turn 2


TNCNeon

true, still think missing Ragavan on the draw hurts it compared to Ending. Also true 5c seems rare, usually you don't want the 5th color


zdngma0

Bruh what the fuck are they trying to reward 4c money or something


Due_Clerk_2261

This seems really strong. One mana version of Cast Out in the domain decks and two mana in the 4 color decks. Let's hope Omnath gets nerfed before this set drops.


DontBanYorion

I would be very hesitant to play this outside of a deck with access to all 5 basic land types. If the lowest cost is 2 mana, I'm unsure if it's worth it in Modern (crucially, Ending can be cast on turn 1, March can hit Sagas and creature lands, and neither card allows the permanent to return at a later time). If there's a deck with a high likelihood of casting this at 1 mana, then it seems great. Worth noting that Ending and March are specifically bad at removing *this* card.


Colbinii

This is amazing. Great in Cascade decks as well.


ArborElfPass

/u/Daviusminimus I don't suppose enigmatic incarnation wants to turbo out a 7 drop creature?


bindingofme

I don't think this will see a whole lot of play. I just don't really see what niche this fills that ending, march, and solitude don't already cover more efficiently in the mainboard. What permanents are played in modern right now that need to be answered so desperately that this card will see play with it's non insignificant restrictions? For the people saying its a one mana oblivion ring, why doesn't 4c omnath play Murktide Regent if its a 2 mana 5/5 flyer? It's cause both cards require set up and deck building restrictions to reach that ceiling. Enabling domain or even 4 land types is not as free as some people make it out to be, even in 4c decks. This is all not even to mention that this is an O ring, an already significantly worse effect then ending or solitude. Getting boseiju'd gives the opponent their thing back, not even a token like skyclave.


Masterdrafter92

Omnath decks don't need a 2 mana 5/5 flier to win the game. Also, the setup to cast Murktide for 2 mana is slightly harder than setting up a 2 mana Leyline Binding. Omnath already has good threats. What it wants is a reactive catch-all spell. Will that deck play this card? Not sure. But I'll test it in Glimpse Cascade for instance. Also, if the opponent has their 1-of Boseiju in hand, good for them. Otherwise, I don't think that it is a good idea for the opponent to sideboard in a lot of enchantment hate if this is the only enchantment we're playing. Hence, 8/10 times, this is a permanent removal.