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Newbguy

Idk how much hammer you have played but the hammer fears no monkey. And with sanctifier in the side Rx decks without access to white for prismatic or any way to out it post board have a decently uphill battle


lykosen11

They run sancifiers main now on MTGO. And other pro red cards (varies) It shows 3 things: (1) white can in theory handle a red meta (2) red is possibly too strong but what can you do (3) hammer fears no monki


TangoPower

"hammer fears no monke" is my new mantra for every situation now


lykosen11

Even without all the mainboard hate, you side out monke against hammer


Luxypoo

Turns out the Combination of Sanctifier, firewalker, and forge tender beat the absolute shit out of red decks if you want to jam a bunch of them.


lykosen11

Hard to beat!


cl174

You could argue that since Hammer is Maindecking Pro-Red and Pro-Black creatures that the format is skewed towards red right now. I think the real question is if it's a problem having the format skew heavy towards one color or another (and I would probably argue that it's not.)


Newbguy

If you aren't playing red you are playing white. Either because it checks red the best or because it has the best alternative to what you don't get when not playing red. In some cases white really feels that much stronger than red when you think about sentinel subtlety prismatic and stoneforge. The sanctifier out of the side or in the main checking rakdos murktide and grixis as hard as it does edges it out to me personally


Jmallan2112

Or you're playing combo lol


Newbguy

Daddy Yawgmoth knows what he's about


ohInvictus

I'm of the opinion that if your hammer list runs 5~ pro red creatures in the main alone you're at least moderately afraid of monke


harbormastr

Afraid, maybe. Well prepared, certainly.


Newbguy

Turn a favorable match into a blowout? When red deck X is such a large part of the field? Why not


hellakevin

Ragavan is good, but if you make a hilariously biased post like this you're just gonna get people who are gonna circlejerk and people who definitely won't take you seriously.


TheRecovery

Definitely a fair point. Didn’t realize Ragavan was this polarizing and I played myself.


Hexdrinker99

Really I'm pretty sure you knew exactly what you were doing. The first half your post you made it sound like its giving the power 9 a run for there money. If Ragavan was a 20 dollar card half of these post would stop in 2 secs.


TheRecovery

Nah. I really could have chosen unholy heat or expressive iteration, I chose Ragavan because it’s the popular one (and secretly because I don’t think it’s all that different from DRS) I have no beef with the Monke, only the color imbalance.


bigjohnishere

DRS Doesnt need to hit a player, and survives wrenn and six, and eats grave, ramps mana and card advantage with only kill spells as a response. Just block the monkey


TheRecovery

I don't think DRS makes card advantage, unless there is a mode I'm missing. and both creatures ramp mana.


bigjohnishere

It "eats" card advantage by exiling any card the opp plays for an effect, meaning you cant play any cards that arent a removal spell without playing into it, also rag has to hit an opp to make any mana while DRS does not. A mana dork that cant make mana against a blocker is not the best mana dork


zotha

3 of the 4 best cards in the most powerful modern legal set printed were red spells which cost 1 mana. Yes, Red has gotten too much lately.


Zephromoniana

DRC Ragavan Unholy heat amd Urza's saga are your picks? I think prismatic ending is more powerful than unholy heat and murktide regent has an arguement too


hsiale

Darcy, monkey, heat and ending. Saga is powerful but a land.


bluealert2020

Land makes it better, not worse. That means it can't be countered with Counterspells, and that it generally comes at a lower opportunity cost than most spells, since you have to play lands anyway. Think of cards like [[Wasteland]], [[Tolarian Academy]], [[Rishadan Port]], [[Library of Alexandria]], [[Bazaar of Baghdad]] — all of these have nonland counterparts that are significantly worse than the land. [[Fulminator Mage]], [[Storm the Vault]], [[Rishadan Dockhand]], [[Magus of the Library]] and [[Magus of the Bazaar]] are all worse for being nonlands. You can even see the same thing in Modern — [[Field of the Dead]] effectively has a cost of having seven (sometimes even more) lands out before it does anything, while the same general effect is available via [[Zendikar's Roil]], for two less lands, and sees no play whatsoever.


Jund-Em

Dont forget its also an enchantment, [[natural state]] has never seen better days! 1 drop instant speed land removal that also gets rid of a land? Sweet.


MTGCardFetcher

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MTGCardFetcher

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Xicadarksoul

Your point about prismaric end is arguable. It HEAVILY depends on the format. For one i personally find it MUCH easier to play threats that have high fake out mana costs - be it delve, convoke, reanimation, or other such bullshite - than how easy/hard it is to find creatures that both: 1 - can survive unholy heat 2 - have a significant upside compared to dumb beatsticks like goyf (which are unplayable) Frankly unholy heat is a great boon for removing silver bullet hate cards, like rip, allowing decks previously vrippled by hate card to exist, but its very much not a catch all removal.


Zephromoniana

I din't think goyf is unplayable at all - he is still the second best reason to be green in midrange and lurrus decks after Wrenn. Its also eorth noting that unholy geat requires more support than prismatix ending. I agree that unholy heat is much better creature removal when the deck supports it but PE also hits artifacts and enchantments and wrenn etc.


Kyamboros

I don't think it was too much. Prior to MH2, red was probably the second worst color in modern.


Town_Blacksmith

Yeah unban Uro. Where's green at?


Filthy__Casual2000

The idea of Uro and Monkey existing together terrifies me.


kirdquake

The meta is so powercrept after MH2 that Uro and field of the dead could maybe be totally fine now..


chadkun

Heinous opinion


TheRealNequam

Someone would find a way to cast t2 Uro with a t1 monkey, just imagining it makes me shiver


VelikiUcitelj

I don't agree with FOTD but Uro would probably be alright. Main issue is that 4C piles with Uro, Omnath would probably be too popular.


Xicadarksoul

Uro could be, but gield unban is not a realistic option. Especially after the green force allows players to kill blood moon no problem.


TheRecovery

Would probably have to ban Omanth to finally kill the 4c piles, but yeah, you’re probably right (at least on Uro, still worried about Field)


concatenated_string

Here’s my hot as fuck take: we bring back uro, put omnath on probation(just to see) bring stifle into modern and *maybe* ban w&6.


TwilightSaiyan

Not even probation just ban omnath he was bullshit before mh2 and now he's even more bullshit with pitch elementals that his easy mana refund can pretty much cast for free, I would 100% rather face an uro over an omnath


TheRecovery

I 100% prefer dealing with Uro over Omnath. Ugh.


Res_Novae

People disagree with the rest but I’m a bog supporter of stiffle in modern.


excrement_

If Field comes back I'm selling out of the game. And Uro can stay in hell just to spite all the pros who miss him


LinkXNess

Field, ok. Uro no. Thats just a horrible broken mistake of a card.


TriusMalarky

One thing I love about modern is it's an ecosystem. Decks evolve around each other, and they make changes to combat each other's changes. There's huge numbers of cards that don't see play in any format yet . . . because they're waiting for a meta in which they shine. Consider Witherbloom Command. I'm not sure why it's not seeing more play right now, cos it happens to hit a no-dash Rag, Sigarda's Aid, Hammer, Amulet, Utopia Sprawl and friends, an un-buffed Darcy, Expedition Map . . . and it gets pack a Nurturing Peatland, Verdant Catacombs, or Urza's Saga. That's a ton of value right there. But if this meta didn't exist, it really wouldn't be worth playing.


HexZer0

[[Witherbloom Command]] is great. Honestly the Strixhaven commands are all decent except Lorehold.


TheRecovery

And whatever the UG one is. Is it even possible to get a 2 for 1 with that command?


CapableBrief

3/4 modes on Quandrix command hvae the possibility ofngenerating card advantage or at worst positive tempo: 1. Unsummon 2. Counter spell 3. Gravehate It's 100% overcosted imo but it is leagues ahead of Lorehold Command.


TheRecovery

Unfortunately Unsummon and (honestly mediocre) gravehate both are negative card advantage. At best it’s positive tempo. Also, it unfortunately only counters artifacts and enchantments. So best you can hope for on Quandrix command is an extremely narrow 1-for-1 with some tempo. Agree it’s still better than Lorehold Command. That and Silumgar Command were awfully developed.


HexZer0

>That and Silumgar Command were awfully developed. Silumgar would be insane at CMC 4, but it is mediocre at CMC 5. Lorehold would still be mediocre at CMC 4. 😆


MTGCardFetcher

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Newbguy

The only argument for why it doesn't see more play is because it isn't an instant and those slots get dedicated to more instant speed removal in most decks


TriusMalarky

Which is totally fair, instant speed can be incredibly important. But now I'm also wondering why I haven't seen many W6+Saga decks, that would be really cool


jacqueman

This is a bad analysis. That data just makes it look like UR Murktide is the most popular deck. “Most played” means nothing without actual numbers on what percent of decks run it, and even then it means nothing without looking at placements. EDIT: The way to measure “brokenness” — NOT prevalence, because they’re not the same thing — is to compare the relative conversion to top tables for all decks, vs for decks with your problem card. For example (a very small example for illustrative purposes), if we have 7 UR Murky players, 1 Burn Player, 1 Control player, and one hammer time player; and the top 4 is 1 murky, 1 burn, 1 control, 1 hammer time; then the correct conclusion is that Murky is the worst deck that showed up. Do this for cards instead of decks and you can figure out how busted a given card is, though eliminating the noise sounds like a tricky bit of statistics when you do it card by card. I think you have to do some covariance stuff.


bluealert2020

Modern has always been a Red format. The defining removal spell of the format, since its inception, was always Lightning Bolt. Fatal Push, and then later Unholy Heat, made Bolt worse, but even today, Lightning Bolt is (according to you) the 7th most played card in the format (Goldfish has it at #1 instead). During the times that Faithless Looting was legal, it was one of the pillars of the format, and it was by far the strongest of the one mana enablers it was often compared to (those being Ancient Stirrings and Noble Hierarch). According to Goldfish, [right now, there are 14 Red cards in the Top 50 most played cards](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern/full/all) in the format. Compare that to [mid 2016 (courtesy of the Wayback Machine), and 12 of the Top 50](https://web.archive.org/web/20160710091309/http://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern/full/all) cards are Red. Compare it to [mid-2020, 11 of the top 50 cards](https://web.archive.org/web/20200809024637/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern/full/all) are Red. I would like to note that my methodology counts Omnath as Red, when it really should be considered an outlier. I would say that these numbers are all comparable, and do not suggest that Red is suddenly significantly better than it has been in the format at large. Looking at the same data but restricting the conversation to Mono-Red, you have 7 Mono Red cards in the Top 50 today; between 6 and 8 in 2016 depending on how you would count things like Fulminator Mage and Ancient Grudge which are castable in a Mono-Red deck, but would not have seen play in them (Red decks would've played Stone Rain/Molten Rain and Smash to Smithereens); and 8 in 2020, notably not counting Manamorphose, which would have only really seen play in Red-based Prowess decks at the time. Draw your own conclusions from this data, but I think the format is fine in terms of color balance, and that this data should show that the format is not significantly more Red today than it has been in the past.


TheRecovery

Keep in mind, goldfish uses league data which means that it’s “most played cards” are skewed by wizards restricting the lists (lists that differ by less than 20 cards are not shown). They’re “most played” metric likely doesn’t reflect the meta at large.


a_starry_knight

mtgtop8 only pulls from event results and puts lightning bolt at by far the most played non-land goldfish is bad though, yeah


DailyAvinan

TBF it's about as close as we're going to get to real data. Does it even really change the point they're trying to make?


pascee57

It changes the data and makes the mtagame appear more diverse than it is.


CapableBrief

MTGtop8 also has Bolt as #1 and around 15 red cards (including multicolored) in the top50.


Phelps-san

> TBF it's about as close as we're going to get to real data. Meh, it's not that hard to get this data with the proper tools. Here's some charts: https://imgur.com/a/wYOl56A TL;DR: Right now it's UR=Good, GB=Bad, W=Average. Each card counts once for a deck, so it's equivalent to mtggoldfish's "% of Decks" metric. This also counts colors, not pips, so a R card is treated the same way as a RRR card, and a RW card counts for both colors. This starts from 2016, excludes Dailies, Leagues and Prelims to focus on the major events (Challenges, PTQs, and so on). Here's the exact list of events included if anyone cares: https://pastebin.com/raw/CNGYE1ur


Phelps-san

u/TheRecovery, this might answer your question.


TheRecovery

This is really cool work u/Phelps-san. It’s really interesting to see that time course and I really appreciate you adding the events too. Definitely something for me to look at and chew on a bit! (Also did you mean GB instead of GR?)


Phelps-san

> (Also did you mean GB instead of GR?) Oops. Fixed.


DailyAvinan

Hey nice work! It does cement the belief that Red has always been good and highly represented. It hovers between 20-30% starting in 2016 and only drops below 20% on rare occasion.


Phelps-san

> always been good and highly represented. That's correct, red is almost always above the "expected" 20% - but it also looks like red is doing particularly well right now. It'd been really stable at 25-ish percent since mid-2021 (I'd guess it's since MH2), and it hadn't been this high for a long period of time since 2018.


bluealert2020

Love this data! Thanks for making it!


Boneclockharmony

It's not THAT hard to just scrape all the challenge+ level event data and get top played cards from those. Might look through my data set later if I have time.


DressedSpring1

> Modern has always been a Red format Yes and no. Red has always been a strong support colour with things like bolt, k command, w6, blood moon and some others having red in their casting cost but it was never a primary build around colour since aside from aggro their creatures were generally all shit. DRC and Ragavan are the first time in modern your primary threat package could be built around red for midrange decks, so it’s definitely a shift. I like the format and think the diversity in play styles is pretty good, but I think it’s incorrect to downplay the significant shift in deck building that happened once red got a good threat suite and decks didn’t have to lean on SFM, Goyf, Shadow/Gurmag for their midrange threat package.


WackyJtM

I care less about color balance as I do about deck style balance. If every color is viable but I can only play control, I wouldn’t be interested. I know others may have different perspectives on what “balance” in magic means but I don’t really mind it.


Zephromoniana

Indeed. Legacy is a blue format - thats fine. It only becomes a problem when fair blue shuts out fair non-blue (which it is eight now).


Organic_Following_38

If Ragavan was affordable, no one would complain about Ragavan. I finally finished the playset, and after many games, I can say he is very good. He is not broken. He can connect multiple times and still lose the game. He can run away with a game, sure, but the biggest thing he punishes is the (somewhat greedy imo) move from Path to Ending. Hell, have you ever played Rags against Affinity? Feels bad man! What does Rags do to any creature heavy deck? Elves devours Rags. Ragavan does excel against decks that ignore proper interaction, and I'm glad we have him. Red's job has always been keeping the format healthy. It's always been a clock. Ragavan helps red keep up in a turn 2 - turn 3 win environment. Ragavan dies to removal, folks, you should try that.


VelikiUcitelj

Yeah I'm with the same experience. Got my playset nearly 2 weeks after MH2 and have been playing Ragavan in most decks since. I feel like people complaining about the card never used it. The card has pros that make it great but here are some of the cons: \-Dies to anything. Notably when blocked by Memnite and Young Wolf especially sucks. \-Needs to connect to provide value. \-Is not that great on the draw. \-It does NOT draw you cards. People say this so often but the card rarely hits something that you want to play. The term "Thank you Ragavan" is becoming more broad thanks to certain streamers and it is used when the opponent needs a top deck and Ragavan exiles a land from their top. Ragavan absolutely can lose you games. I'd rather have a red mana dork than Ragavan in most situations. Ragavan rarely remains unanswered/unblocked.


TheRecovery

Well, it does draw you cards, it’s just a matter of if you want those cards at that moment or not. Much like your own deck, sometimes you draw a card you don’t want. If you hit a land, you drew a 5c Land (you make a treasure), if you hit a spell, you make a treasure AND get to decide if you want that card or not. It’s less likely you draw the cards you want when you hit with rag, but it definitely draws a card. Also, half the format is R/x something - Rag actually hits something good pretty often That’s the only comment I have here.


DailyAvinan

> it’s just a matter of if you want those cards at that moment or not Not entirely true. Often times you hit countermagic, cards that are too expensive to cast, or cards that have too many off-color pips to cast. Not every non-land is a card I have the option of casting.


TheRecovery

I mean, I draw cards from my own deck I can't cast all the time. The fact is that it gives you the option to draw a card if you hit a non-land, you don't have to cast it - but you can. It's as close as you can get to drawing from your opponent's deck.


DailyAvinan

Except cards you draw, cast-able or not, will stay in your hand until you *can* cast them. If you can't cast a card Ragavan exiles then it's gone. I'm just trying to make the point that claiming he "draws cards from the opponents deck" is hyperbolic. It's still a strong ability but it's not a reliable source of card advantage.


NotThotSeer

Yep modern is still predominantly red. However white and green have had some big help recently as well.


Res_Novae

All of the great green cards that were printed have been banned tbh… now its dog tier again. Some could argue that black is in the same boat.


NotThotSeer

Oh I dunno, endurance and force of vigor are good. Ignoble hierarch is good, veil of summer, hex drinker are all good cards even if they aren't dominating this meta.


RubyTuesday776

437th post complaining about Ragavan, can we get to 500?


TheRecovery

I think the point is explicitly about the amount of red and whether more color balance (though not perfect color balance) is a good goal. If you read this as a Ragavan complaint you may have missed the point.


RubyTuesday776

I think the point is explicitly that the first half of your post is specifically you complaining about Ragavan. Then in later replies you say that you don’t hate Ragavan and you don’t want him banned, we should just have Ragavan in other colors as well. Ya know, like how they need to print a black counterspell, a blue lighting bolt, a white primeval titan, and a green thoughtseize? Because no one color can have a good card, they all have to share. Can’t wait to sleeve up my Mono-Blue burn deck.


TheRecovery

I say I don’t want him banned in the first word in my OP, not in “later replies”. I was choosing an example to illustrate my point, I chose the most popular example. I would also be fine with a black Unholy Heat (1 cmc removal spell that hits like a truck) or a GR or GU expressive iteration (maybe its explicitly gets you a land and a non-land). Suddenly it’s not so unreasonable is it? Again. Ragavan was just an example. The post was about color balance, I said as much, take it at face value. If I actually hated Ragavan specifically, I would have said that. There is no secret coded “I hate the monkey” message here, that’s people reading it to it too much. All that being said, your point has been communicated. I Probably should have chose a different example b/c people are tired of Ragavan talk and people got defensive. Fair and noted. No need to continue.


DailyAvinan

TBF you spent half this post discussing specifically Ragavan. Def feels like at least half of this is a Ragavans rant. A RagaRant if you will.


TheRecovery

Ragavan is but an example. I would love a Ragavan equivalent in other colors quite honestly.


jweezy2045

Ok, so outside of ragavan, what’s your problem with red?


MonkeyBrogdon13

My guy modern has always had a bunch of red. Right now it’s about 27.5% of the meta of the top 50 according to you, and traditionall it’s always been >25%. But half your post was complaining that every color didn’t get a 1-drop as impactful as ragavan. That’s literally a ragavan complaint.


TheRecovery

Complaining about Ragavan would be “I don’t like ragavan” I just want a Ragavan of my own.


Alphastrikeandlose

>If you read this as a Ragavan complaint you may have missed the point. 50% of your post shouldn't be complaining about Ragavan if it isn't the point. That's just bad communication


TheRecovery

What if I told you that top half of the post was a secret “unban Deathrite “ post?


7he5haman

Then your entire point was contained in the second half of your post.


sangrelatto

To be fair, half your post is a disguised Ragavan bitch. Don't be disingenuous.


TheRecovery

Me: I want a Ragavan equivalent in the colors I play You: he obviously hates Ragavan It’s actually a subliminal unban deathrite shaman rant.


Existenz81

If WOTC want this powerlevel yeah then they might as well unban Deathrite Shaman also. Everyone keeps saying its better than Ragavan but I'm not so sure about that. The fact that Ragavan has Dash is a huge upgrade over DRS.


Lichius

You gotta play, watch, or study more magic if you think Ragavan is better than DRS.


Existenz81

I never said it was better than DRS.


fwompfwomp

> Everyone keeps saying its better than Ragavan but I'm not so sure about that. wut


slipman_

Jesus you were pointing something correct and logical and got down voted to hell 😂 something it's wrong with this sub.


TheRecovery

Meh, I don’t mind, downvotes buy you less in these pandemic days anyway.


FledAccrossTheDesert

I think the real problem card is unholy heat tbh. it's become the de facto creature removal and the de fact planeswalker removal. take away the unholy heat, and most lists would have to adapt to a world where they can't deal with primeval titans and murktide regents for R.


Volgyi2000

I agree. I haven't seen a planeswalker on the other side of the table that isn't a Teferi since MH2 released. The card is patently too good and has taken the place of bolt in a lot of lists.


FledAccrossTheDesert

well, W&6 is still widely played too.


changelingusername

W6 enters the battlefield, grabs a fetch from the GY and it has already done more than enough.


AbsoluteIridium

Grist 😎


Volgyi2000

Funnily enough, I've encountered Grist in Legacy but not in Modern in the last few LGS tournies I've played in.


moniscus

Grist really only sees much modern play in Yawgmoth decks, where it's usually a 2/3-of - and it's also fantastic there. Depends how much Yawgmoth you've been sitting across from


SPAMSCAM007

Good.m, bc planes walkers suck and are a blight on the game.


MykirEUW

Jace


Xicadarksoul

I am not sure we want planeswalker (aka. Pay to win) tribal to be the only viable deck. Walkers were very much unbeatable before heat, ever since the only semi viable token deck (mardu pyro) got axed to keep arclight legal.


Historical-Bid2711

Ending and heat have kinda planeswalkers. I don’t see how LOTV is ever playable again, as she was already seeing pressure of being pushed out


Existenz81

I really agree that Ragavan is way too OP and if this is the powerlevel WOTC want Eternal formats too have then other colors need to get similarly busted onedrops. Esper Sentinel is pretty good but no where close, the rest of the colors don't have anything remotely close. Blue has... Delver? LOL. Honestly, it baffles me how many people think the monkey's fine. But then again, those people very likely have spent nearly $400 to get a playset of the best card in Modern and don't want to see it get the axe.


Last_Mandalorian

Monkey IS fine. What baffles me is that people think they shouldn’t have to play creature interaction in their decks which can deal with a one toughness creature.


Existenz81

I’m a control player, currently packing 15 removal spells in my main deck. But that’s not always enough, because you have to have removal on turn one, but you also have to be wareful of a dashed monkey every turn of the game.


Last_Mandalorian

If you are packing 15 removal spells in your deck, the odds of you having one in your opening hand is 78% on the play. Over 80% on the draw. Getting hit by Ragavan one time does not end the game. Edit: and that is only YOUR chance of having removal in an opening hand. If your opponent plays four copies of Ragavan, they have a 39% chance of having it turn one. So the odds of them having a turn one rag and you not having interaction with 15 removal spells is sub 10%.


Existenz81

Only six of my removal spells kill monkey on turn one. And if I’m unable to kill it it snowballs out of control very quickly. But I can tell you really enjoy casting your monkeys 🙈


DressedSpring1

That’s a deck building decision you’ve made. There’s plenty of options for instant speed removal in either black or red but you’ve built your deck around archmage’s charm and supreme verdict. It’s not really a problem for the meta that you’ve deliberately built your deck in a certain way that is strong against some things but weak against ragavan


Existenz81

I run neither of those cards. So it's funny how you make that as a statement when you're far off. My winrate vs Ragavan is fine (close to 60%), but that does not mean I believe the card is fine.


Last_Mandalorian

I do. It promotes interactive gameplay. I am not nor have I denied that. But I can tell you really enjoy bitching about monkey (it’s about 80% of your post history). I get why a control player would hate the best tempo creature of all time. But it is neither oppressive nor ban worthy. Modern is objectively the most diverse it has ever been.


changelingusername

I'm ok with interactive gameplay, but I can't worry THAT MUCH about all the casualties of a free monkey who swings a couple of times. Come on.


Existenz81

Objectively? Really? Please tell me more, because you state it as a fact? All numbers point to Modern being much more topheavy than it usually is, with a lot less diversity.


Last_Mandalorian

There are at least 13 decks with at least 2% of the meta share. Another 6 over 1%. The two decks with the highest overall meta share don’t even play monkey (in fairness, number 3 and 4 DO play monkey). Can you point to a time where modern was more diverse than this? With *at least* 19 tournament viable decks?


shapeofjunktocome

Yep... 100% agree. I have been playing a different deck at every FNM since MH2 came out. And seen the most diversity in meta at my LGS since... Uro or a deck that beats Uro... I mean Oko or a deck that beats Oko I mean Hogaak... I mean KCI... I think that's the past like 5ish years correct? I might have missed one. But this is by far the best modern has been since dare I say splinter twin? Is the UR tempo deck strong? Yes. Is it fair? Yes. Is it format breaking? NO. It is such a fair and simple strategy with so many points to interact with it. If your entire deck is can't interact with a Viashino Sandscout you might want to revisit your 75.


Last_Mandalorian

I think the point you made which is lost on a lot of people as well is; Murktide while strong is *a fair deck*. I remember a point in modern where the top decks were all either linear combo or big mana- a meta of two ships racing and passing in the night. I LOVE the interaction in the current incredibly diverse format.


Existenz81

You’re counting decks that have a 1% meta share to show diversity? Lol. I thought we were having a serious discussion. I recommend reading this to get some perspective: https://modernnexus.com/circling-around-december-21-metagame-update/


Last_Mandalorian

First off, 1% is a fine cutoff for which decks are seeing a statistically significant amount of play... Secondly- I have read that. He uses an arbitrary point system to rank decks. I agree under his system GDS would seem to be the top deck for December. Out of curiosity; what are your feelings on hammer, the deck with the highest meta share?


Historical-Bid2711

Wait wait wait, hold on…so more niche cards that answer saga like spreading seas, DD and alpine moon are ok because it answers a land that creates a three for one…but a 2/1 who demands ANY form of turn one removal…is too much? Ragavan doesn’t just end a game if it lands. But if you kept a hand that doesn’t answer it for several turns you deserve to lose. What I can’t understand is a deck that is primarily full of removal and cantrips is complaining. Let’s also not forget the free spell you get to play that deals with any creature in modern. While solitude is often played before 5 lands, the tempo swing is gigantic. Prismatic ending, solitude, and counterspell weren’t shabby pickups. Four color control and UW have had a ton of success since Mh2. Monkey and Drc are PUSHED cards. But modern has been a super dynamic format since MH2 and it’s continued to change constantly since release. It may only be over half a year later after the set that we may be moving towards a solved meta. That is VERY impressive. Monkey and Drc have forced modern to have interaction. No more constant dredge mirrors or amulet vs the other good combo deck. Modern hasn’t been this good in years. If you’re a spell Based combo player then modern probably feels awful


FROG_TM

A) EDIT: See below. I'm not sure you understand what top heavy means, a top heavy meta implies high density of expensive threats, big mana decks and control decks. The most expensive fair creatures we have are Omnath at 4 and psuedo freeand the pitch elementals which are on average costing a player ~2 mana in a Bo3. B) If your control deck has 6 ways of dealing with a T1 monkey, you might need to examine your deckbuilding choices. Saying you cant remove a T1 monkey enough while also refusing to change your decklist dosent make monkey the problem. C) According to MTGGoldfish current modern meta share is led by Hammer time at ~12%, followed by 4c Blink piles and Lurrus Shadow at ~10%. According to MTGTop8 no single deck holds a +10% meta share, with the lead being Hammer time at 8%. Additionally recent event results (skewed as they are by mtgo) have not shown a singularly dominant deck in either top8 share or winning decklists. I dont know what your definition of a diverse metagame is but I feel like you wont ever be satisfied. Now im sure that you wont read any of this since you are clearly more interested in blindly complaining about Ragavan rather than actually having a constructive conversation so in that case. TLDR: Ragavan isnt the problem, you are.


Alozzk

I think op means that the best decks appear much more often than the runner ups, that's what i would get from 'top heavy', as in the appearance % is heavily skewed towards the top dogs.


FROG_TM

With regards to that I would agree that modern is in that state at the moment largely due to the skew presented by MTGO being the cursed child it is and I would like to apologise to OP for misunderstanding their meaning. However, I do not see what relevance this has to OPs argument.


ProfessorTraft

Getting hit by ragavan once is ridiculous in itself.


RedThragtusk

Green and Black had Deathrite Shaman. If Ragavan is considered fine in modern then why not just unban DRS at this point


gzingher

ragavan: needs combat to do ridiculous stuff, x/1 drs: mana ramp, grave hate, finisher, x/2 there’s a reason drs is banned in modern and legacy


RedThragtusk

I agree DRS is more powerful but it's the closest comparison I can find for a universally good one drop that can win a game by itself


BlankBlankston

Rag It's not even close to DRS is power. Rag doesn't turn off whole archetypes by existing.


Existenz81

Ragavan can have haste, DRS can't. Huge difference. Shaman is still probably better, but it's not by much. The difference between red's onedrops and other color's best onedrops are very big though.


Lichius

Yeah. You've never played with or against DRS, have you.


TheRecovery

To be fair to him, life in 2014 was a wee bit different than Life in 2022. We only had a single playable card in 2014 that could kill an x/2 at card and mana parity. (2 if you didn’t care about card parity.) We now have 5. (7 if you don’t care about card parity.)


Unbelieveableman_x

You are talking like drs does all of those things for free. You need to pay mana and exile the specific cards to do so. Sideboard some graveyard hate like in countless other matchups. If you dont remove the monkey turn 1 or 2 at the latest you are already so far behind you can concede right away.


Existenz81

I agree.


Historical-Bid2711

You clearly haven’t played with DRS.


Existenz81

That's a very untrue statement.


DailyAvinan

Nah this is dumb DRS does way more than Ragavan and on top of everything you could have *multiple* DRS in play. I get that they're "comparable" but only the sense that DRS is far and away better than Ragavan.


ZeldaALTTP

>I know everyone is saying “the format is fun” Some very loud people are saying this


SpideyStrawhat

No, a lot of people, the majority, are saying this. Because it's true.


Existenz81

Truth is very subjective. Most people I talk to don't enjoy it. It might depend where you play, if it's online or at an LGS.


Spiral0Architect

Survivorship bias at its finest.


SpideyStrawhat

And another one more. You people just can't deal with other people enjoying things. Everyone has to be mad or they are wrong.


HammerAndSickled

Yeah cause everyone who didn’t like MH2- The Gathering already quit, lol. Just like how Wotc thinks everyone loves Secret Lairs and DnD and Universes Beyond. The only people left are the people that are OK with the trash heap this game became.


SpideyStrawhat

Of course. Of course. Whatever you say is the complete truth about people you don't know.


ZeldaALTTP

Rotating formats suck by nature, enjoy being a shill


SpideyStrawhat

Geez. Enjoy yourself with your big brain, you're smartest than anyone. This is not a rotating format. Period.


Historical-Bid2711

Ahhhh, it’s definitely a rotating format. Outside of the land base we are definitely playing Modern Horizon 1 and 2, the format


Res_Novae

Tron, titan, some form of red aggro and shadow have been either tier 0-1 for the past 5 years… yesh sometimes you have to buy a playset of new cards… but you csn DEFINITELY stick to a deck.


Spencerdrr

Okay, unless I’ve just been fucking up constantly since khans block, dash is sorcery speed right? Like, you can’t just dash something in post blocks, that seems like a glaring oversight wizards would have caught 8(?) years ago.


TheRecovery

It’s sorcery speed, can’t be used post blocks or during blockers, correct.


vojdek

Jeez...this is getting really boring, like we needed another thread for this...


bindingofme

wow the millionth post not contributing and just bitching about legitimate grievances!


vojdek

And what does the millionth and one post crying over Ragavan contribute to? I swear we are the same point in Modern where we were with Ancient Stirrings. People bitching over a perfectly fine card just because their pet decks are underperforming.


horsehome

The format is fine. Please stop.


Aunvilgod

Color balance should not be the priority in modern. sorry.


TheRecovery

What are you apologizing for. You just have an opinion, that’s allowed.


beef47

I’m a jund player and i’m ready to say goodbye to monkey. Another unpopular opinion? Time to ban Urza’s Saga. It makes decks too ubiquitous. Why not include it in every deck? And if so include 3-6 0-1 mana artifacts to make it hum. And now every deck looks somewhat similar. I think both are reasonably similar to Death-rite Shaman. I think it’s either ban those two or unban DRS and print something (a permanent) at one mana that is similar for white and blue.


Alozzk

1)Urza's saga has a real deckbuilding constraint in modern, delaying your mana is bad for a lot of decks, as is diluting it with suboptimal artifacts, as well as not having access to your colours, also it's really fragile postboard, getting a saga blown puts you back a lot. Even when saga gets value, it's really slow and there's a bunch of good answers for their constructs, kcomm if they're small, e.e., dress down, veredict, spree. 2) DRS is insane compared to ragavan, not close to comparable, sure both demand answers, but DRS is an early game threat, mid game threat and late game threat, and it doesn't even have to swing! Also it would just go into Ragavan piles, making them even stronger ...


horsehome

What format are you even looking at? Urzas saga is really not played in all that many different decks.


changelingusername

It takes time to get value out of saga. It's a great card indeed, but it's a mana-hungry card that develops threats that can be handled way more easily than ragavan. Ragavan ramps and makes card advantage, plus it interferes with the opponent's topdeck, and that's as early as T2. Saga can be somehow interactive thanks to the artifact you grab from it and that could be at T3 if you're desperate or T4 and on. Saga isn't a topdeck most of the time if you have a clock. Ragavan can be a topdeck and at that point, you might have enough mana to steal a Big Teferi. Literally, Saga puts you back 1 mana. Ragavan ramps, and it makes you play with 61 cards and the opponent with 59 with one swing, and your card pool increases with the number of times it connects. Ragavan encourages playing cheap removals and low curve in general to keep up with his pace, but it also punishes you for doing so. We can't count the ways Ragavan could have been made fair. * No Dash * Dash for RR * 1/1 * Doesn't steal a card * Doesn't create a treasure * Doesn't exile the card * If it's a land, you draw it like goblin guide * It can't block * Echo * It adds one mana to your pool until the end of turn instead of the treasure * If it connects, it doesn't untap the next turn * If it connects, you can sac it for a treasure


Phyrexian-Drip

I can see where you are coming from with saga. But I really think it should remain legal so that artifact decks can actually exist. post opal ban pre saga there were almost no artifact decks and it drove many players, like myself, away. It sucks so bad in legacy when I’m playing reanimator and so many decks have mb hate with saga and endurance, plus I’m not that good of a reanimator pilot.


Historical-Bid2711

Urza saga is so ubiquitous and broken that it’s made Jund Saga unstoppable, am i rite?


ProxyDamage

>Does this feel a little weird? So, I'm gonna get downvoted for this, cause the truth sucks to hear i guess, but your average modern player (on reddit at least) is *incredibly* biased towards red (and mostly aggro). By any objective metric Lightning Bolt would have been booted from the format years ago as literally the most format warping card since it's inception, and almost always the single most played non-land card in most metas, even in metas highly hostile to the card (like Uro, Sanctuary and FoD). But, apparently, this is fine. We've had metas that were almost mathematically even between all colours and archetypes. People bitched endlessly about, mostly, how strong non-red strategies ere (nevermind that red was still in the meta and Bolt STILL top 5 if not the single best performing card, which it usually was). Then MH2 came around. Here are your options post-mh2: outside of combo or specific synergy decks, if you just want to play a "fair" or value deck? Red. White if you want the second best, but really if you're not playing red you're wrong. Red has the best cheap threats, best card advantage, best removal. You can play a bunch of suboptimal strategies, you always could, and there's enough variance (and bad players) in the game that sometimes they perform... but if you want to win you're playing red. Yet, apparently, this is fine. This extremely aggro and combo centric, red meta... is fine. So yeah, modern is shit right now. But people enjoy it, so, it'll probably stay like this until WotC decides to "soft rotate" the meta again with the next MH. I'm mostly opting out. Maybe I'll be back if the meta is ever somewhat balanced again


gnowwho

Honestly the same point could be made with blue and legacy: not that legacy is a perfect format. Simply speaking, nobody said that color balance is that important in a format. Formats can be skewed towards one color or the other (and honestly it's difficult for it to be otherwise) and if it's not a gameplay quality issue, then it's not an issue unless you decide it is. It's clear that most players like the "cut" Modern has, so, while it's important to express one's opinion about it (so that, if the common opinion were to change, WotC could get a feeling of it) it's just that: a preference.


ProxyDamage

>Simply speaking, nobody said that color balance is that important in a format Yes, they have, and yes, it is. The problem with blue in legacy at this point is structural: fixing blue in legacy required removing brainstorm and FoW, but doing so "unlocks" the extreme degeneracy the format has allowed to run rampant, because for years the format has evolved with Brainstorm and FoW as checks. The format would 100% be better if it was balanced, but at this point that would require banning so many cards you'd basically be playing a different format. That's not true for modern. You absolutely can "fix" red, even just removing a couple of mh2 cards like Unholy Heat and either Ragavan or DRC would work, and not only would the format not "break", it would immediately be better for it. But a lot of people would bitch incessantly, because heavens forbid smashing in with red isn't the best thing to do in modern!


BlankBlankston

>So yeah, modern is shit right now When was it good? Modern has never been as fair as it is now. There is more interaction and fair decks now than there have been in the last 5 years. Linear decks are at an all time low. Modern for the first time in its history has better answers than threats.


pokepat460

Back to basics or another card to punishment splashes could help. Many decks focus on one color and use ragavan/unholy heat to round out their deck. Punishing splashing might make fewer people include red just for bolt/unholy heat/ragavan


Agbfygl

The closest card I can think of to Back to Basics for Modern, and the only one I've seen, is Blood Moon, but that obviously won't do anything against red, only against whatever other colors they're playing. So they still get to keep Ragavan, DRC, Bolt, Unholy Heat, all the cards that we're trying to find a universal answer for with these land-locking enchantments


Jund-Em

Those aren't the most played cards in modern. According to mtggoldfish, which has a much larger pool than a youtube channel, it is as follows 1. Lightning bolt 2. Engineered explosives 3. Prismatic ending 4. Lurrus of the Dream Den 5. Thoughtseize It seems white and black are better than red Source: [Link](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/format-staples/modern) Those cards are in the top ten though


picheezey

Yes. The format is tilted red. How do we maximize that information? What are the controllables? Is there a macro strategy that’s good versus the decks or cards that are popular? Tilted metas are a good thing- they allow you to deck build and game plan in creative ways. Do you think you would prefer the matchup roulette we’ve had in the past?


slipman_

Yes I would prefer the matchup roulette... It's a card game,, if I wanted to play the same games with the same game pieces I would be playing chess 😂. Just an opinion.


Katharsis7

There are rotating constructed format if you want ever changing metagames.


Petal-Dance

Ever changing metagames? You mean the release dates for modern horizons


slipman_

Those actually are less varied than modern in terms on gameplay and viable strategies, no thank you, and besides we have some sort of rotation alredy with mh.


Wrong_Grocery4067

The format hasn't been balanced since they banned Uro and mystic sanctuary. That's the plain truth of it all. You look at the data and there are six creatures form MH2 that all have higher play rates than Uro did. People only hated on uro and mystic sanctuary because they made control tier 1. Not the best deck in the format, that was still hammer time and UR blitz. The only card they needed to ban was FOTD and then they needed to fix the cascade BS.


fireslinger4

Can I have a hit? You clearly have the good stuff over there.


LinkXNess

Are you ok? Uro time was WAY worse than now.


BlankBlankston

Uro is and was a super powerful card. I do think that they shouldn't have banned anything until after MH2 given how much it of an impact an mh set has, but Uro probably still needed to go.


mtgotavern

The irony is the most red based deck historically in the format is not performing well..burn. So its more a matter of red being in conjunction with other colors that's given it so much "power". The reality is modern is becoming more and more about mana efficiency in addition to the 2 for 1's.


SpideyStrawhat

Burn is performing really well.


tankerton

Burn rose from the ashes for sustained success about a month after mh2 dropped. People were adjusting to be able to remove creatures early due to Ragavan, which hosed the prowess deck and those pilots probably pivoted to spells based burn. Since it has had top8s nearly every weekend and many top32s, which is not how burn typically operates. Burn tends to spike a format for a weekend if it's getting too greedy or if people are too experimental with new cards at a set release, then people are like "oh man let me remember my $BURNHATE" in my sideboard this week and it flattens back out. It's not a tier1 deck like murktide or hammer, but it's probably the longest period of sustained success since I started playing the format circa 2017.


wyqted

Maybe I’m biased but I don’t care about color balance as soon as the meta is diverse, games are interactive, and matchups are skill-intensive instead of you autolosing to bad matchups. They should print more good cheap removals / cheap creatures for other colors which will facilitate the current gameplay experience


Admirable-Ice-1109

Yes but - ban the actually edh mechanic cards like Lurrus and the rest of them companions


Deepapothecary

It's so much damn fun!! Burn/mono red player here...


Staroson

Yeah red is definitely the best color in modern right now from a pure card power standpoint. Other colored decks can hang but it's because of synergies and some powerful answers not because the cards are as strong


ragmondead

Ragavan is the most powerful 1 drop in the game. 4 rag 4 DRC Is a great foundation for any mid range deck. ------------------ If you are going to play ragavan, you need to play it with some form of disruption. Red has removal (bolt + heat), but it doesn't have disruption. So some decks go to black for 4 IOK + 2 thoughtseize. Other decks go to blue for counterspell. ----------------- Once you have that disrputive core, you need a beater. The blue decks pick up murktide, and the black decks pick up either deaths shadow, or splash green for goyf. (some black decks use Dauthi to try and steal a beater from their opponents). Finally, you need to worry about card advantage. You can either use W6 if you are in green, bauble if you build your deck with a low CMC, or if you are in Blue you can use expressive iteration. But, that decision tree makes up most of the decks in the format. Rag + disruption + a beater + draw. ------------ So, yes all midrange are starting from the idea that 4 rag is core. rag is the best 'fair' thing you can do on turn one. And deck building flows out from there. Without Rag, the format would be all combo + control, where everyone is trying to goldfish. Rag forces your opponent to have interaction. --------------- So, yes, midrange decks in the format, are at their core, are based red.


ThePuppetSoul

When the top 7 most played cards all belong to the same deck, then you shouldn't be using that to make judgement calls about the strength of a color: that's just the overrepresentation of a deck. The positioning within those 7 is based on how many other decks run it. Now if the top 7 cards were like... 1 - Ragavan 2 - DRC 3 - Lightning Bolt 4 - Fury ​ 5 - Expressive Iteration 6- Kolaghan's Command 7 - Chandra DTK Then yes, you'd be able to make the conclusion that Red has something in it which is severely overtuned and drawing people to red because of how attractive free wins are to people in a competitive setting. In truth, what you're seeing here is the opposite of that: that "UR: draw 3" is the strongest card in modern, and that it is enabling a lot of decks. If your deck is not in red, you aren't dipping into red to add monkey, and MOST of the deck types which are in red aren't playing monkey (4c Moneypile, Creature Toolbox, Goblins, Titan, Rhinos, Burn, etc.). But every deck that is in UR is playing 4x Expressive Iteration, and many of the decks which originally started putting up numbers without Expressive Iteration have migrated to including it as they refined (Kaheera Elementals evolving into 4c Moneypile, for example).


Anyna-Meatall

[[Dryad Militant]] checks a lot of those boxes


MTGCardFetcher

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The card that spoiled fun was really Prismatic Ending. Having a maindeck splashable catch-all answer for up to cmc 5 with almost no drawback is nonsense & limits deck diversity.