[[veteran explorer]], [[pernicious deeds]], [[cabal therapy]]


Someone wants to play modern Nic Fit eh?


I'm honestly surprised Wizards hasn't put Deed back into what is effectively a deeper Extended. They probably figure Explosives and Blast Zone are sufficient.


[veteran explorer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/a/1a6c19cc-6469-4958-a547-1d0fe97c70e8.jpg?1599707680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=veteran%20explorer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/186/veteran-explorer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1a6c19cc-6469-4958-a547-1d0fe97c70e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [pernicious deeds](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/6/8652e3a1-bcd4-4c0c-a085-34f19702df26.jpg?1562437624) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pernicious%20Deed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/212/pernicious-deed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8652e3a1-bcd4-4c0c-a085-34f19702df26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [cabal therapy](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/f/2f5b12f0-986f-43d0-a81b-64111e7f17e6.jpg?1580014199) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cabal%20therapy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/83/cabal-therapy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f5b12f0-986f-43d0-a81b-64111e7f17e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Deed would be a godsend. It's way too hard for fair decks to deal with the small permanent spam decks backed by Lurrus, especially when your EE needs to go on 0, 1, AND 2 and you're STILL not killing their Urza's Saga.


\[\[Circular Logic\]\] \[\[Innocent Blood\]\] \[\[Goblin Lackey\]\] \[\[Toxic Deluge\]\]


Gimme psychatog with this nice list.


> [[Goblin Lackey]] And suddenly, the list of must-answer-on-turn-1 red creatures doubled...


Would Innocent Blood be any good at all?


There's so much good 1 mana 1 for 1 removal in modern rn that innocent blood probably wouldn't see much play but the card can be very good under the right conditions.


Innocent Blood is a one sided (under the right conditions) sac effect for 1 mana. Pretty good.


Ehhh. Given the lack of hexproof creatures in the format, fatal push is a better innocent blood in nearly every realistic scenario. Innocent blood was wanted for a long time as black T1 removal, push largely fills that role while being instant speed and able to target.


Is it? I just feel like every deck makes so many tokens nowadays that edicts are kinda bad main deck. What decks would play it other than smallpox brews?


The only creature tokens I can think of are Constructs off of [[Urza’s Saga]] and rhinos off of [[Crashing Footfalls]]. If I’m spending 1 mana to kill a karnstruct or a 4/4 I don’t mind. On top of that it’s an answer to turn 1 Ragavan. Also dodges black protection, which is relevant sometimes.


I don't think the Saga player minds if you spend a card to deal with 1/2 to 1/3rd of their card at sorc speed after they get at least 1 attack in.


Yeah, in nic fit


id like to add \[\[Obsessive Search\]\] as well as circula logic please. Make my Pauper deck modern legal!


God please give us lackey. Without muxus in the format its hardly more threatening than ragavan


>I honestly don't think he would even change the format that much but maybe it would turn the murktide hammertime matchup on its head lackey has the same gameplay problems as ragavan though: being on the play is absolutely massive, & it simplifys games into a turn 1 "force" (ie: removal) check. I don't think the gameplay is good


It does have that threat, but more interestingly late game it still requires commitment to block or remove. Many times I've attacked with one on t5 (not a great top deck btw) and and it was blocked to spare the free trigger (even though I had nothing in hand to cheat in). It's much worse than a late game Ragavan which can be dashed, draws a card and ramps!


Hell yeah, Circular Logic would be so good in this meta.


I'm not sure I understand how you use it properly. What instant speed discard outlets do you use to play it?


Most likely \[\[The Underworld Cookbook\]\] or \[\[Faithful Mending\]\] but something like \[\[Zombie Infestation\]\] could work too


I would love to see circular logic! I have a japanese foil copy for Commander/Archon, that's just waiting to spike like counterspell did xD (Although it's very unlikely, since it's a bit niche but I really like that card)


##### ###### #### [Circular Logic](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/7/472de0e2-c15b-49c4-b2fd-74b776daac34.jpg?1547516139) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Circular%20Logic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/47/circular-logic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/472de0e2-c15b-49c4-b2fd-74b776daac34?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Innocent Blood](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/9/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e.jpg?1600700558) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Innocent%20Blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/244/innocent-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Goblin Lackey](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/0/30104836-1e9d-4533-98f8-d5c4e6484b52.jpg?1562904811) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Lackey) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/167/goblin-lackey?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30104836-1e9d-4533-98f8-d5c4e6484b52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Toxic Deluge](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/b/db34617f-b04f-4b65-84cf-5c5be1eb7226.jpg?1629844481) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toxic%20Deluge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cc2/6/toxic-deluge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db34617f-b04f-4b65-84cf-5c5be1eb7226?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[[Tortured Existence]] because of reasons


[[Spore Frog]] *heavy breathing intensifies.*


[Spore Frog](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/d/6d42fd52-34ea-4d1b-80dc-58fb0593bb5b.jpg?1562202192) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spore%20Frog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/180/spore-frog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d42fd52-34ea-4d1b-80dc-58fb0593bb5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[Tortured Existence](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/7/1754b92b-d6f9-4503-af01-dee03f72a048.jpg?1562595922) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tortured%20Existence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sth/74/tortured-existence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1754b92b-d6f9-4503-af01-dee03f72a048?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call




You came here to link the gatherer page on Tortured Existence?


Hell yeah, boy, I'd love to play Tortex in a format with better options for creatures to fiddle with.


Back to basics or a similar card to punish greedy 4 color/urzas saga mana bases


I mean, there is blood moon/blood sun.


Yeah but people still play 4 color piles anyway. Apparently there needs to be more tools to keep them in check. That's why I'd choose back to basics over something like price of progress in order to give another color a way to fight this.


Thank you. Decks being capable of doing basically everything while playing all the latest must-answer mythics should have drawbacks


[[Price of Progress]]


Red already has blood moon, though. Chosing a different color gives more decks tools against greedy mana. Back to basics also fits in multiple types of strategies where price of progress is at its best in burn and aggro decks.


I need [[Psychatog]] in modern


[Psychatog](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/6/f60911a4-2eb6-4f20-a1c1-2fc5a29c35b5.jpg?1562944556) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Psychatog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/258/psychatog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f60911a4-2eb6-4f20-a1c1-2fc5a29c35b5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


I'm really surprised they didn't put it in MH2.


the only frustrating thing about tog is that unless it was “reprinted” under a new name and at 1 or 2 cmc, i could hardly see it as playable in today’s world


[[Pernicious Deed]] , Pernicious Deed and Pernicious Deed


The problem is there isn’t too many older cards that aren’t legal that would see play but not be broken. We are more likely to get fixed versions. For example tourach. At 2 it’s just too good. But at 4 with a reasonable body it is good but not busted. The closest I could think of was deluge but that might be too much with shadow around.


I think there are certainly some old cards that could be fair [[chain lighting]] for example maybe even [[plow under]] (plow under may not be the best reprint due to how frustratingit it can be). But there's alot of supplemental cards that could be really cool too. Edit: plow under is already modern legal


Plow Under is already modern legal and sees no play


Obviously WOTC has taken my advice /s


:P Its a cool card just expensive. If it was an instant that could be played off of Wilderness Rec, it might see way more play.


I literally built a modern deck specifically to play Plow Under (Eternal Command/mono-g control), and now three years later I just can't rationalize running the card in a deck I *built around it* because it's too slow. There's essentially no way to get it out before T3 and if you spend two turns setting up a Plow Under in modern you're absolutely dead even on the play.


Twice I've had people call judges to check that my Plow Unders are modern legal even though I specifically play 8th edition ones to avoid this.


That is actually hilarious to me lol


To be fair I usually don't point out that it's an 8th edition card until after they've called the judge because I think letting them have a little tantrum about their lands is funny maybe I'm a bad person.


To be fair chain lightning is probably ok. But it wouldn’t really change anything. Sure burn switches say spike to chain lightning. But in the scheme of things it doesn’t really matter.


Spike? You fool. Cut those skewers baby.


Plow under is already modern legal and it's not really good...


Plow under is modern legal


As an elves player I would love to see [[Birchlore Rangers]]. I think this card would help the elves archetype without outright breaking the format like [[Glimpse of Nature]] and/ or [[Green Sun’s Zenith]] would.


Agree, but \[\[wirewood symbiote\]\] is my pick for most anticipated potential reprint to modern for elves. Similar reasons you have for the rangers, but I think symbiote would have a bigger impact but also not make the deck too good.


Agree on Symbiote, and I would gladly take that, but I personally want Rangers more so I can consistently cast [[Rite of Harmony]] and [[Shaman of the Pack]] in the same turn and not have to worry about relying on lands for the black and white mana, or having to use some jank like [[Manamorphose]] or something worse to fix the mana.


(Elvish) nu-noble hierarch in abzan maybe?


[Rite of Harmony](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/b/eb1a16f9-13d4-4188-8e1e-0f2394349c7a.jpg?1636684763) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rite%20of%20Harmony) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/236/rite-of-harmony?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb1a16f9-13d4-4188-8e1e-0f2394349c7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shaman of the Pack](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/a/da9705e2-40e5-4ec9-8aef-2eab28d5a66f.jpg?1631235549) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shaman%20of%20the%20Pack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/92/shaman-of-the-pack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da9705e2-40e5-4ec9-8aef-2eab28d5a66f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Manamorphose](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/a/faf9070e-14be-4ce5-a19a-6addc79359c1.jpg?1599708170) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Manamorphose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/208/manamorphose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/faf9070e-14be-4ce5-a19a-6addc79359c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


I think if Symbiote got printed, elves would probably convert to a mono green strategy over the golgari one.


[Birchlore Rangers](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/c/8ce3a3a1-3569-4909-a604-f78d4888781e.jpg?1626726613) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Birchlore%20Rangers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/248/birchlore-rangers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8ce3a3a1-3569-4909-a604-f78d4888781e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Glimpse of Nature](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/d/1ddcd76b-a7a1-4ae6-bf4a-f929c6574bdc.jpg?1562757977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glimpse%20of%20Nature) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chk/210/glimpse-of-nature?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ddcd76b-a7a1-4ae6-bf4a-f929c6574bdc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Green Sun’s Zenith](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/1/01794178-cf41-454c-ac37-1d8b18e42db2.jpg?1580014798) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Green%20Sun%27s%20Zenith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/169/green-suns-zenith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01794178-cf41-454c-ac37-1d8b18e42db2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[[Orcish lumberjack]] I'd love to play some good old applejacks in modern


[Orcish lumberjack](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/4/14fb947c-563e-4811-98de-e25bd141a6e5.jpg?1562899209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Orcish%20lumberjack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/179/orcish-lumberjack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14fb947c-563e-4811-98de-e25bd141a6e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


As an infect player, I'm contractually obliged to say [[invigorate]]. I'd love to see that card go into my modern list


[invigorate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/0/e0899da3-7beb-4161-81a3-e2d694e5b8a5.jpg?1599707311) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=invigorate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/172/invigorate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e0899da3-7beb-4161-81a3-e2d694e5b8a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Me too man! Me too.


May as well do crop rotation too why they’re at it 😄!




Give me Hymn to Tourach and you have a deal




Ahh a man of culture.


Please no.


My thrassa double strike one shot meme deck says yes


And berserk while you're at it


I have four in my binder. #iwanttobelieve


[[wild growth]] for Enchantress


Would that do anything but be a different version of [[utopia sprawl]]. Definitely better against a blood moon




Good point


I would replace abundant growth with it. The latter isn’t ramp, wild growth is. You could of course argue that drawing an extra card is just as useful.


Ah gotcha, like I said not entirely familiar with the deck but this makes a lot of sense


God I want this so bad. I really feel like this redundancy would be humungous for the archetype.


Since my knowledge is sort of limited: would a reprint of wild growth cause any problems with other archetypes of the format? Or is it exactly the redundancy that will prevent wotc from reprinting, since too much redundancy has a tendency to be problematic?


Quite honestly, it could cause some level of issue in conjunction with [[Arbor Elf]], [[Blood Moon]] and 3 mana land destruction (like [[Stone Rain]]) in Ponza. The redundancy with [[Utopia Sprawl]] would make turn 2 blood moon or land destruction significantly more consistent. The fact that land disruption/destruction play patterns are generally considered unfun could be a good enough reason not to reprint Wild Growth. Especially considering that since Wild Growth doesn’t require a forest like utopia sprawl does, so it doesn’t have anti-synergy with blood moon when cast on a stomping ground. That all said, I’m personally of the opinion that a stronger Ponza Deck would be pretty good for the current format, since it would make the 4 colour omnath decks worse. That should in theory increase the diversity of 2-3 colour value decks which are currently being pushed out by just being worse than the 4 colour versions.


Wow, on point reply! Much appreciated.


[[Rishadin Port]] [[Recruiter of the Guard]]


I really like Port one of my favorite cube picks


Seeing the Dockhand made me sad


[[Unholy Grotto]] and/or [[Gempalm Polluter]] [[Decimate]] and extremely unlikely, but my favorite card [[Guided Passage]]


I have never heard of guided passage until today, what a sick card


Decimate would be a house against Hammertime.


##### ###### #### [Unholy Grotto](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/2/52f464a9-586c-4cf3-894b-b407c9f4dcb8.jpg?1562914485) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unholy%20Grotto) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/327/unholy-grotto?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/52f464a9-586c-4cf3-894b-b407c9f4dcb8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Gempalm Polluter](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/e/8e9943ac-9e3f-4ee0-b5fd-3b0fb17097d8.jpg?1562923789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gempalm%20Polluter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lgn/70/gempalm-polluter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8e9943ac-9e3f-4ee0-b5fd-3b0fb17097d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Decimate](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/5/6551db26-83e8-4256-822b-122c35ee6097.jpg?1592711070) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Decimate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/175/decimate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6551db26-83e8-4256-822b-122c35ee6097?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Guided Passage](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/b/0b2e8e58-aee1-4882-943a-17a6af2f8410.jpg?1562897520) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Guided%20Passage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/apc/105/guided-passage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b2e8e58-aee1-4882-943a-17a6af2f8410?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[deck fayden](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/0/10158a5e-5a03-41ab-85d2-0907ccf32c9b.jpg?1580015027) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dack%20Fayden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/199/dack-fayden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10158a5e-5a03-41ab-85d2-0907ccf32c9b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


This would be fantastic.


in this thread: people suggesting cards that speed up the format, not understanding that fast threats kill formats.


Baleful Strix


[[green baleful strix but with flash now]]


[ice fang coatl](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/a/6a55cfed-e76c-4ade-ac78-a546e05fe8da.jpg?1562202341) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ice-Fang%20Coatl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/203/ice-fang-coatl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6a55cfed-e76c-4ade-ac78-a546e05fe8da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


With all the ragavan running around stealing things, [[homeward path]] but expanded to permanents not just creatures.


Since we can’t have [[Wasteland]] I would like [[Dust Bowl]] please.


Tendrils of agony and/or doomsday. There aren't any rituals that produce black mana in modern


They were going to print Doomsday into modern, but when one of the testers said they’d brew up some Oracle lists the design team said “nm don’t bother we forgot about oracle”. Though yeah, I don’t think doomsday would be so bad even with oracle…


[[crystalline sliver]] But will settle for [[hibernation sliver]]


We have slivers at home. Slivers at home: [[diffusion sliver]], [[frenetic sliver]]


I have no idea what we will get, but I already started saving up for release.


Baleful Strix, Yuriko and Retrofitter Foundry.


I don’t think yuriko would be in it. It seems to heavily linked to commander. I think we would see a changed version that is better for modern.


Yuriko is playable in Legacy. Commander is just the icing on the top. Not need to buff that card.


I’m not saying it isn’t playable, I’m just saying it’s got extra text on it that does nothing in modern that is meant for commander. Idk if WotC would want to confuse new modern players with it. I think it would be a neat reprint, I just don’t see it happening because of its commander text.


MHx is not really a set for newbies and rather complicated. I don't think the confusion is a possible danger.


Modern gets cards designed for it and Legacy doesn't. Legacy gets every new card whereas modern doesn't. That's what the person is implying, that legacy can take in any cards that reference things not actually being used, because it's open to taking in everything. Legacy can play [[Jeweled Lotus]] and not care about the commander clause (there was a video using [[Doubling Cube]] with it). Modern is closed to only getting new standard sets and horizon products.


Fun reminder that [[Command Tower]] and [[Arcane Signet]] are both modern legal. Don't think Yuriko is really out of the question because of commander text


Throne of Eldraine is a really weird set for modern


Why does a majority of people want Modern to just become Legacy without the pillars of legacy? I think Toxic Deluge and maybe Goblin Lackey would be fun inclusions, also Deck Fayden seems to be perfectly fine


Because the reserved list makes legacy to expensive for most people


That's fair, I just enjoy Modern having it's own identity, but I can get people wanting to play legacy lite, it's definitely a fun format I wish that wasn't so expensive


Bring back [[Unholy Citadel]] / [[Seafarer’s Quay]] / [[Mountain Stronghold]] / [[Cathedral of Serra]] / [[Adventurers’ Guildhouse]], you cowards!!


##### ###### #### [Unholy Citadel](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/d/9de534ff-fb48-4692-bd0f-dd237ca28502.jpg?1562860166) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unholy%20Citadel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/309/unholy-citadel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9de534ff-fb48-4692-bd0f-dd237ca28502?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Seafarer’s Quay](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/6/66641d88-b3f0-4bcd-8d2d-29aa2de69e30.jpg?1562859209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seafarer%27s%20Quay) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/306/seafarers-quay?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/66641d88-b3f0-4bcd-8d2d-29aa2de69e30?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mountain Stronghold](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/1/314fd1d7-4bd8-4d95-b7c2-1aa6660ab88a.jpg?1562858248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mountain%20Stronghold) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/304/mountain-stronghold?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/314fd1d7-4bd8-4d95-b7c2-1aa6660ab88a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cathedral of Serra](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/6/e65356e6-0ead-49fd-b069-be1ea9b1c105.jpg?1562861376) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cathedral%20of%20Serra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/301/cathedral-of-serra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e65356e6-0ead-49fd-b069-be1ea9b1c105?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Adventurers’ Guildhouse](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/2/32865e68-5842-4f17-b2ea-4ffa743b511f.jpg?1562858255) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Adventurers%27%20Guildhouse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/leg/300/adventurers-guildhouse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32865e68-5842-4f17-b2ea-4ffa743b511f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Imagine mono red legendary tribal. Ragavan, Norin, Magda, Birgi, Torbran, Purphoros. It would be terrible, but so fun.


Price of progress, psychatog, chain lightning


[[Dualcaster Mage]]


[[Back to Basics]] and [[Unexpectedly Absent]] were always my favorite options. Not sure we really need Unexpectedly Absent now that Prismatic Ending is here, but I guess it can be played mono white if someone really wanted to do that. I think modern may have pushed a bit too far into decks that can play too many colors without having good ways to punish it. I'm not sure that Back to Basics is the answer we need, but I've always liked it better than Blood Moon's play patterns. Might make sense to color shift Back to Basics into white or something too if they don't want that effect in blue. Another one that I kind of want is [[Standstill]]. Not sure what it would do in modern, but I've played with it a few times in legacy and had a reasonable time.


[Back to Basics](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/6/0600d6c2-0f72-4e79-a55d-1f06dffa48c2.jpg?1547516124) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Back%20to%20Basics) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/46/back-to-basics?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0600d6c2-0f72-4e79-a55d-1f06dffa48c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Unexpectedly Absent](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/1/a1501a42-e233-423b-b68a-1b76630bbccc.jpg?1591320197) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unexpectedly%20Absent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/106/unexpectedly-absent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1501a42-e233-423b-b68a-1b76630bbccc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Standstill](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/e/3ede3f6f-e642-4fe4-aa37-0f01cdf4d149.jpg?1562906537) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Standstill) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/102/standstill?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3ede3f6f-e642-4fe4-aa37-0f01cdf4d149?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


I didn't expect to see Standstill here but I 100% agree, I'd love to see it just for what would happen in the meta.


It's probably not really a style of play you want to reward honestly. It can be interesting and can really cause a problem of figuring out when to break it, but it can be pretty messed up too. Pretty close to having legacy landstill in modern now though with Mishra's Factory and Shark Typhon as things to do with it.


I hadn't played Modern in a long time and got someone with a \[\[Choke\]\] a few months ago. It really took me back. I'd love to see Back to Basics in the format.


[[Price of Progress]] gets my vote.


In a shockland based format? Bro you want to weaken the 4c decks, this nukes them out of the format.


Good. Playing 4/5c good stuff should have a real cost to it accessible by more than just burn.


The 4/5 color piles atm run a disgusting amount of basics, the yorion pile literally plays ice-fang. If you add price to the format you'll kill most of the classic land based combo decks, the lower to the ground midrange decks, and the greed piles literally will not care.


2 mana for 6-8 damage at instant speed is too good. You can find ways to disadvantage decks playing tons of duals without giving burn an insane advantage in a format \*where duals actually hurt\*.


There are ways of punishing greedy manabases other than giving decks auto losses to burn. Price is an absolutely egregious amount of reach in a world where lands already tend to do a reasonable amount of damage to players. 2 mana deal 8 is absolutely absurd and would make burn currently and forever a tier 1 deck. If astrolabe was still a card then maybe it wouldn't break the format.


I can reasonably play 4c even with burn being prominent, which is just egregious to me. I think it's become too easy to just splash all the colors you want. PoP might be too strong, but a watered down version would be great to punish greedy mana bases.


Bingo, that is 100% why we need something to fuck up greedy mana bases


> I can reasonably play 4c even with burn being prominent Those decks either have a lot of lifegain by way of omnath or are combo decks like Velomachus. It's the 3c decks like jund that get nuked by price of progress; all you'd be doing is pushing more people towards 4c


It's hard to imagine burn eating a ban, and most scenarios I can think of go through one of price of progress or fireblast.


While we're on the subject, [[sulfuric vortex]] too


[sulfuric vortex](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/4/0463e989-ba32-4a46-a82f-e0d6daf3cd51.jpg?1582753037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sulfuric%20vortex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/150/sulfuric-vortex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0463e989-ba32-4a46-a82f-e0d6daf3cd51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


I think this one’s less likely given we got [[Roiling Vortex]] in ZNR.


Ironically, this would likely push 4c decks more. 3c decks don’t have ways of gaining life so you’d kill all of those, but 4c Decks have Omnath which can gain 8 life per fetch. So you’d have all the 3c players and some number of 2c players switch over to the deck that can actually survive PoP.


Literally all the “suggestions” people make to make the 4C decks weaker literally don’t do anything to 4C. Like you said, PoP doesn’t do much against 4C. Next most popular suggestion is BtB, which again, does nearly nothing to the deck that barely every taps out in the first 3 turns. All that’ll change is they’ll fetch more conservatively in the early turns, rely a bit more on Abundant Growth, and then just Prismatic you and keep playing through it. It *will* do a great job punishing all the not 4C decks though, good job complainers! ^(It’s almost like the chronic complaints about the 4C decks are largely coming from people who don’t really understand how the deck works in the first place or something…) Edit: for completeness’ sake: if you think 4C is a problem (I don’t), the best thing to do is call for [[Wrenn and Six]] or [[Ephemerate]] to be banned. Both of these cards fix the natural inconsistency and clunkiness that a 4-5C deck with 6-10 pitch spells is supposed to face (and it pains me because Ephemerate is such an interesting card to me, although W6 can go fuck itself). Nonbasic hate does nothing because it punishes ***every other deck in the format*** more. With more nonbasic hate, sure, 4-5C gets slightly worse, but RBx Midrange straight up disappears, UWx Control gets considerably worse, etc, and this will overall cement 4C’s position by making it the only playable fair deck.


This is exactly the card modern needs right now.




[opposition](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/9/8980e292-1384-4662-aa72-bc4f6ca30d51.jpg?1562242218) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=opposition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/92/opposition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8980e292-1384-4662-aa72-bc4f6ca30d51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Plz no whenever I face this card in Vintage Cube it makes me want to smash my computer


Recruiter of the Guard Leovold Baleful Strix Toxic Deluge Spellseeker


\[\[Recruiter of the Guard\]\] \[\[Leovold\]\] \[\[Baleful Strix\]\] \[\[Toxic Deluge\]\] \[\[Spellseeker\]\]


[[Careful Study]]


[Careful Study](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/e/dea15b53-2940-40e7-8d48-8ec11341da83.jpg?1562936545) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Careful%20Study) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/70/careful-study?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dea15b53-2940-40e7-8d48-8ec11341da83?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


We really need this since looting ban


Careful Study doesn't solve any problems that Looting created.


That's not the case. It's just a worse looting and in a worse color that want those effects (as of now a red careful study without flashback would be a lot better).


Not having flashback is negligible when the whole point of the card is to be a busted T1 enabler. And yeah, being blue means it won't bring Mardu Pyromancer back to it's tier 3 glory days but in return Reanimator and Jeskai Phoenix get to ditch Faithful Mending and Dredge gets to ditch Otherworldly Gaze and suddenly we're back to the days where the only tier one strategies are graveyard decks. Oh and being blue has the huge buff of pitching to FoN


> pitching to FoN As the format speeds up, this will become more and more relevant.


[[Portent]] or a fixed version that can only target yourself. I want to play terminus


[[phyrexian Dreadnought]]


[phyrexian Dreadnought](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/b/7b8197b9-0cd1-4fa1-9668-d1b5f1759151.jpg?1562720243) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20Dreadnought) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/315/phyrexian-dreadnought?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b8197b9-0cd1-4fa1-9668-d1b5f1759151?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Nice try, Mark. On a serious note though, wpuld Baleful Strix really be that OP these days?


We basically have Strix but removing the snow restriction while not sandbagging you with green sounds pretty bad.


Well look at it this way. Coatl is still good enough to see play even though it requires snow for deathtouch and is green. Baleful Strix would enable Ninjas and UBx control decks.


Agree on Dack, Gerrard's Verdict so that hopefully the Hymn wishing will stop (random discard is bad gameplay.) The redundancy of Wild Growth is probably safer now that Prismatic Ending exists. \[\[Fractured Identity\]\] is one that probably wouldn't see a lot of play but would be a pretty cool BtL option just because. It would be a good place to reintroduce Preordain as well.


[[Sudden Substitution]]


[[Psychatog]] [[Circular logic]] [[Cabal therapy]] [[Orim's chant]] [[Destructive Flow]]


Uro... Oko... Summer bloom... City of traitors Ancient tomb Eye of ugin Watchin mtg go covid elk will make me happy


[[Hymn to Tourach]] Or just BB target player discards 2


I think wrench mind is as close as we are gonna get


[[gerrard’s verdict]]?


[gerrard’s verdict](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/8/583740c0-68cf-4205-b682-2f97c0880d42.jpg?1562915736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gerrard%27s%20Verdict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/apc/102/gerrards-verdict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/583740c0-68cf-4205-b682-2f97c0880d42?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call




[[Whispers of Emrakul]]


[Hymn to Tourach](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/f/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc.jpg?1580014264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hymn%20to%20Tourach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/92/hymn-to-tourach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[[Pernicious Deed]] [[Destructive Flow]] I know it won't happen, but I can dream [[Baleful Strix]] [[Palace Jailer]]


>\[\[Palace Jailer\]\] Keep the Monarch mechanic *far* away from Modern, please and thank you.


Pernicious Deed all the way.


##### ###### #### [Pernicious Deed](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/6/8652e3a1-bcd4-4c0c-a085-34f19702df26.jpg?1562437624) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pernicious%20Deed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/212/pernicious-deed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8652e3a1-bcd4-4c0c-a085-34f19702df26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Destructive Flow](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/d/7db86e34-c3ec-4a29-8779-81350a985644.jpg?1562921466) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Destructive%20Flow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pls/102/destructive-flow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7db86e34-c3ec-4a29-8779-81350a985644?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Baleful Strix](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/e/3e417331-84ec-4513-8022-e93ffc260a38.jpg?1631588316) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baleful%20Strix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/177/baleful-strix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e417331-84ec-4513-8022-e93ffc260a38?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Palace Jailer](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/8/78cef262-c753-4658-b3ec-fec8db47f944.jpg?1576381600) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Palace%20Jailer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cn2/18/palace-jailer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78cef262-c753-4658-b3ec-fec8db47f944?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


The only weird thing is that I'm wondering if Destructive Flow would be too slow.


[[Fireblast]] and [[Price of Progress]] are my picks, although I might be slightly biased 🔥 jokes aside, Fireblast is perhaps too strong but PoP might be fine if Modern receives a watered-down version.


[Fireblast](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/1/51e839d8-2c62-46df-a6ca-3964f43b7e54.jpg?1611933944) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fireblast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jvc/55/fireblast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/51e839d8-2c62-46df-a6ca-3964f43b7e54?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Price of Progress](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/1/b1342144-7a15-438b-a848-3196238a79e8.jpg?1580014614) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Price%20of%20Progress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/141/price-of-progress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1342144-7a15-438b-a848-3196238a79e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


I feel like 3 mana deal two+an additional one for each nonbasic is probably good for modern. A little slower and less damaging per mana, but more useful in non moneypile matches


Baleful strix


[[Armadillo Cloak]] Bogles needs some love.


Punishing fire and Splinter twin


A lot of cards that see (or have at one point) minor/fringe legacy play could have a great home in modern, plus a few outliers that just havn't seen a reprint. [[Veteran Explorer]] [[Pernicious Deed]] [[Tangle Wire]] [[Karakas]] [[Tortured Existence]] [[Basking Rootwalla]] [[Burning Wish]] [[Living Wish]] [[Baleful Strix]] [[Curfew]] [[Innocent Blood]] Maybes on some of these (probably a yes with some of the above printed into the format) [[Back to Basics]] [[Price of Progress]] [[Stifle]] [[Cabal Therapy]] [[Rishadan Port]] [[Careful Study]] I'd also love to see a Dark Depths unban if a few of these were added to the format; a "wasteland lite" would help a lot as well (My suggestion would be "Destroy target land without any basic land types"). Faithless would probably be safe to unban too.


>Karakas. You think it's a net positive giving everyone a free way to protect their Ragavans?


I'm not sure I would want Cabal Therapy. But I am all for Veteran explorer... I thought they would print veteran explorer in MH1 with the therapist as the first card spoiled.


Yeah Therapy is definitely on my maybe list; I love the card, and would love to see it in modern, but I'm not confident that something abusive wouldn't happen. Vet not being in modern is just so stupid.


What types of decks does curfew play in, or how would you play it?


It probably doesn't have a home anymore, especially as power creep continues, but its an interesting card that I'd like to see available in the format. Its a nice non targeted "removal" spell against someone with only 1 creature (I've run it against Marit Lage and Gurmag very effectively), and is a great value/tempo engine with snapcaster mage.


Katanas is def too strong for modern.


Wasteland. Fight me.


This will get W6 instantly banned. Maybe if they added a mana cost or made it a free Field of Ruin.


[[Half a Free Field of Ruin]]


W&6 approves.


Go play legacy


I'm a HollowVine player so my first thought was [[Anger]]. Then I thought of it in Izzet Murktide. Or Grixis DS. Fuck.


The real issue would be dredge style decks.


Neither Murktide nor GDS would play Anger. Both decks care about having great topdecks and Anger sucks.


[Anger](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/c/0c7ce363-3f57-49ed-b89a-f12bb5227ab4.jpg?1631586892) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/113/anger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c7ce363-3f57-49ed-b89a-f12bb5227ab4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call