Walz: National Guard on 'standby' in event Minneapolis unrest persists
By - lasocs
About 100 police officers just rolled by my window in uptown. Half in marked suvs, half on bikes behind, one armored looking car in rear. Most likely led by a handful of unmarked cars by the looks of it.
Same. And then when we looked down the other street there were just as many going that way.
I can't even search for "Minneapolis Uptown" on Twitter, under new it's only showing tweets about "pitches". Stay safe over there, who knows wtf is about to happen especially since msm isn't saying shit about it.
He's up for reelection next year, a repeat of last year would hurt his chances.
Yes, why should Gov. Walz pay the price when it's Jacob Frey who can't handle his job.
Governor Walz isn't going to let Small Frey's incompetence ruin his chance of being reelected.
I have a feeling that both won't be reelected.
Walz is going to be fine, Minnesota hasn't elected a Republican as Governor or ANY statewide office in 15 years, and he's not going to lose to someone like that doctor who got banned from social media for spreading Covid disinfo or the fucking My Pillow guy.
> or the fucking My Pillow guy
I want to believe that, but I'm really not confident on that front.
It's a state which voted for Biden by 7 points with a guy who has spent his entire time post-election getting sued for spreading batshit conspiracy theories about the election being stolen by Biden.
Only time will tell.
Rural MN thinks Walz is a dictator who imposed a lockdown that violated their freedom. Minneapolis is split depending on if you think police murder is bad.
In the midst of the pandemic and with trump on the ballot, Biden won by 7 points.
I’m not overly confident but I think Walz will be fine next year since he is similar in politics to Biden (and old and white). Klobuchar and Smith also did fine.
I don't think Frey will be, but Walz is too early to tell.
which pro-cop candidate in MPLS do you think will be beating out frey this year?
Frey is the biggest pro-cop candidate with traction from what I have seen.
I think it will be an anti-cop candidate.
Get off social media.
IMHO, there's NO reason to toss out Walz. He's done a very good job, given the obstacles he's had to deal with.
I'm not tossing him out, but I don't think it'll be a cake walk.
Oh, he’ll have to work for it, but I think he’ll be rewarded with the vote count.
Walz has shown to be a heavy handed chief executive. At any sign of unrest it's unleash the national guard instead of figuring out what the heck is wrong.
Cant fix what's wrong if the neighborhood burns to the ground
I think Frey has very clearly fucked up literally everything he could have along the way, but Walz is really hard to predict.
Walz had a really good pandemic response, and his election control was prob also pulling a lot of support from both sides. But for the second round of riots and now third ish unrest, he's really been trigger heavy with letting the national guard occupy mpls and that's bothered a lot of people.
It's still absolutely Walz trying to cover for Frey's massive failures, but it did turn me off from Walz because I want less militarized police, not more.
The Guard aren't police, they're citizen soldiers serving their state, they go where the Governor sends them (tornado/flood/civil unrest). Walz is sending them, because he doesn't want a repeat of last year.
Yep, can confirm. As someone who was on the ground for a lot of the prior unrest, my experience with the guard troops was neutral to good. Most of them really don’t want to be occupying an American city, but it’s their duty to go where they’re ordered to go.
Related point- many of the guard troops last summer were carrying unloaded rifles and didn’t even have lethal rounds stowed on their person. They were mostly empty guns meant as a deterrent to harm to people and property. TLDR; it looked way scarier than it was. Citizens and cops were way scarier than the troops.
I mean doesnt help some dude ran into the protestors
Isn’t this precisely why we should deploy the NG?
If the national guard were here to protect the protestors I would support it. If they are here to quadruple mpds numbers and give mpd meat suits to hide behind while they attack more protestors, then deploying the NG would prob be a bad option
No it did not help. But she wouldn't have died if Walz hadn't allowed the blocking off of Lake to begin with. Its about time he set a red line and stated firmly that he will not allow that nonsense to continue.
What the fuck?
She wouldn't have died if the guy didn't try to ram the barricade with his car. Walz has nothing to do with that. In fact, Walz as a governor has little to do with how a city manages it's intersections.
You're wrong. Take a breath. Try again.
Edit: it's a misunderstanding, OP didn't mean Walz, Also I'm kind of an ass.
So Walz has nothing to do with it yet when he spoke yesterday and he was said he directed the MPD to remove the barracades and arrest those who didn't peacefully protest it happened.
Please explain to me how he has little to do with it when he publicly directed the very thing Im saying he should have done *earlier*
Go ahead and explain it to me. Ill be sitting here taking a breath and waiting for your next round of brilliance.
It's not Walz's police department. It's Frye's.
It's not Walz's car. It's Nicholas Kraus' car.
You're trying to turn a violent attack and murder from a repeat offender drunk driver into a political issue. If you want to make it political, start with Frye. If you want to make it political, talk about how Kraus was still driving or still free with that many DWI convictions.
Instead, you're pointing your finger at Walz. While he has influence in the situation - he has no actual control. You don't like him. We get it. But you're pointing your finger at a bystander to apply blame.
So Im thinking about Mayor Frye. I'm even picturing Mayor Frye in my head. But for some idiotic reason I was typing out Walz?!??!
Ok lets backtrack here. OBVIOUSLY the MPD is under the Mayor and not the freaking Governor. OBVIOUSLY I watched a press conference yesterday with the Mayor saying that the barracades should be taken down. I don't know why the hell I'm saying Walz when that is clearly not right. DISTRACTED REDDITING IS DANGEROUS KIDS!
Please go back and just replace Walz with Frye and then we can debate whatever we need to debate.
MY BAD EVERYBODY!
Ha! ok I thought I was being gaslit hard. Nothing to debate left. That's why I responded so... Baffled!
Takes a lot to step back like that - kudos. Enjoy the night!
Walz has about as much direct control over the MPD as Biden does. He called to open the intersection because he does have a bully pulpit of sorts, they're not likely to ignore him. Yes the intersection should be open, but it's not Walz who gives the orders to the MPD on when to clear it.
Even the mayor of Minneapolis actually has little control of the MPD. Best he can do is fire the heads of the orgs.
People way overestimate the direct authority the mayor has. People really should take some time to do a civics course or read the convoluted charter that exists for Minneapolis.
From [the charter](https://library.municode.com/mn/minneapolis/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=CH_ARTVIIAD_S7.3PO)
>Police department. The Mayor has complete power over the establishment, maintenance, and command of the police department. The Mayor may make all rules and regulations and may promulgate and enforce general and special orders necessary to operating the police department. Except where the law vests an appointment in the department itself, the Mayor appoints and may discipline or discharge any employee in the department (subject to the Civil Service Commission's rules, in the case of an employee in the classified service).
Am I reading this wrong? It seems to say that the mayor has almost absolute control of MPD.
He didn't 'allow' what they were doing and you don't think dude would've run over more people had they not put the car there?
I thought he was all fucked up on drink or drugs, right? Because, and I know this might be shocking to some, but people who are driving while fucked up on drink and/or drugs have never had a hard time killing people *not* in the middle of the street.
Like, there's really not two ways about it. Either he was so impared that he couldn't tell they were there, in which case the chances are high that he would have hit and killed someone even without any protests, *or* he was trying to intentionally hit people, in which case being on a sidewalk doesn't seem like it would have helped either.
Like I said, there's really no two ways about it: the driver is responsible for the murder he committed.
But my point is that that dude was the one putting people at risk, and would have been putting people at risk even without standing in the street.
The risk was not caused by the standing in the street; standing on the sidewalk or driving a car on the street or riding a bike anywhere in this situation could easily have ended the same way, and in fact that's not an uncommon occurrence.
Just don't leave your apartment or house. It's dangerous being outside and it's your fault for putting yourself at risk. Walking down the sidewalk and get hit by someone speeding? Shouldn't have gone to the store.
In your house and get hit by a stray bullet? Shouldn't have left the basement you put yourself at risk.
No I wasn't victim blaming like you were. Life has risks and you don't deserve getting murdered for putting yourself at some level of risk.
The word "deserve" is doing a lot of work for you. Life has risks and sometimes bad things happen when the dice get rolled. Deserve is orthogonal to that.
This is victim blaming. If the driver had a chance to not run people over it’s all on him, not the people ran over.
> This is victim blaming.
No, it's nothing more than a statement of fact.
Sure. It's like responding to 9/11 with "Yeah, of course it was the hijacker's faults. But if you ask me, it's also a great reminder of the dangers of choosing to work in skyscrapers."
Lol. Wait, so are you arguing that blocking the street somehow saved lives. I have to admit I didn't see that one coming...
What a pathetic individual you are and what a sad life you must lead.
Definitely no blame on the guy that drove into human beings gathered together behind a barricade?
Of course not, he was a white male who killed a woman supporting black lives. The man was a hero to many of these people and they aren't even shy about saying so.
Just imagine if it were George Floyd who ran over a white woman at an anti-mask protest. That should be all you need to understand where these people are "coming from" in their points of view.
I think the "just imagine" argument is a little unnecessary. What the reality is, in my opinion, the media will spin the protesters as agitators and people that have to deal with them will picture them that way because the person inconvenienced obviously feels a type of way. I've been caught in traffic while a protest held me up and I can see how someone would be upset at the people causing it. What's happening is dehuanization. "Protesters" is becoming something that doesn't hold any human life to some peoples eyes, and this is the outcome.
>I think the "just imagine" argument is a little unnecessary.
Did something happen recently? Is this about the guy that drove through the protestors?
No, it's about the recent situation in Uptown after the shooting of Winston Smith by officers involved with the North Star Fugitive Task Force. Gov. Walz does not want to see another post-George Floyd situation where protesting and such turns into rioting, destruction, etc... With the very poor way Mayor Frey handled his responsibilities at that time, the Governor needed to step in and put the public on notice.