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D-Boys pulling security for Gen. Austin Miller during the handover of the New Kabul Compound to the Afghanistan National Army from Coalition Forces. July 8, 2021 [1800×2250]

D-Boys pulling security for Gen. Austin Miller during the handover of the New Kabul Compound to the Afghanistan National Army from Coalition Forces. July 8, 2021 [1800×2250]

PM_me_girls_and_tits

The general has quite the piece on him.


ChevChelios9941

Was thinking the same thing, not messing around.


yegguy47

Helps he even used it in combat


tfs-Q

Happy cake day! 🍰🎉


tama_chan

What is it?


Price1911

Roland Special Glock 19 He's also been seen with a tricked out 1911 IIRC


MyCodeNameIsBryan

Do they just say "someone get me this gun" and it happens?


americanrivermint

Yeah that's what happens when a general says basically anything


MyCodeNameIsBryan

Source? That doesn't look to be standard issue, so it seems to me that getting something outside standard issue would be a challenge. Especially in Afghanistan. Especially for a general.


americanrivermint

>Source? > Lmao fucking reddit


MyCodeNameIsBryan

Exactly. Where talking out of your ass is less ludicrous than asking for more info🙄


americanrivermint

"Can you go research this for me like my personal concierge because I'm too stupid and lazy to think anything that isn't clicking blue text ?


MyCodeNameIsBryan

Yes, that's it. Clearly spouting out off with no proof and all opinion is a reliable source of information. Tell me you're an idiot, without telling me you're an idiot.


sploding_burnout

Well, it's not a standard-issue but then again, the military still runs 1911s and Glocks for some units, the guys escorting him sure as shit will be running Glocks, the bigger issue is ammo/mag compatibility and both of those things are doable if he's running a personal piece in 9mm or .45. At the risk of seeming like an ass, I'll also assume you've never served. When a "lowly" 1 star does anything it's still treated like a big deal, if the division or group commander is going to your unit it's an automatic dog and pony show where everyone will be held back the day before to get the space spotless and all the CoC will be there. Hell, just by virtue of existing a brigadier has the right to use a JO as a glorified personal secretary and fly a fancy flag wherever they go. If you look at his whole get-up, he's "out of regs" in more ways than one. By 670-1 his Crye fieldset isn't an authorized uniform, he's wearing a leather gun belt underneath those unauthorized fatigues, and he's uncovered while outside. Throughout history, General Officers have used weapons and wear items that weren't in regulations, no one's going to try and correct a general on the wear of their uniform or their equipment. At his level, he has a field grade officer (LtCol) who would normally be leading a battalion as his secretary, the only person who has the authority to tell him to change his uniform and gun is the commander of CENTCOM or that guy's boss. At the level he's at the regulations and standards are only as rigid as he wants them to be, because unless a 4 star is absolutely fucking up, *no one* above them cares if they carry a tricked-out piece or wear a civilian belt.


supofcr

I believe it's a roland special glock


ripsfo

And here I thought you meant the hair!


305FUN

Another 2 in front. https://i.imgur.com/SrBYfKR.jpg


gary_bind

Who's the person saluting? That's a British/Commonwealth salute, isn't it?


daftdave41

Tactical recognition flash is from the Royal Regiment of Scotland. More pictures here. https://medium.com/voices-of-the-armed-forces/operation-toral-withdrawal-in-pictures-ffcc4338e901


gary_bind

Thanks.


arealbigsecond

Something incredibly funny about these dudes having a cute handover ceremony as the country actively falls to the Taliban.


PbnJdams

…as the Chinese conveniently move in to start work on their belt and road initiatives.


yegguy47

China ain't coming. Not sure why folks think that, but they were content to watch it burn in the 80s and 90s. And they spent the last 20 years enjoying us turn up dirt, I imagine they probably want to stay away as far as possible


CahabaCrappie

We will see. History is littered with nations and empires trying to win influence over Afghanistan, convinced they won’t make the same mistakes as their predecessors.


yegguy47

Yeah, I mean... In the annals of history, anything's possible. But I'll say this: We likely won't be alive to see when China makes the same mistake. The variables currently just don't work. China has next to no relationship with Afghanistan. The Wakhan Corridor has been closed since at least 1978, and it has no road going through it. Afghanistan's key exports are, to quote a Brit, "Opium and Vengeance". And the country is tainted by decades of influence from Pakistan, for whom the Chinese would rather have as proxy influencer versus directly upsetting. When the Soviets invaded, they had decades of a previous relationship. Afghanistan had been the first country to recognize the Soviet Union. When the US invaded, there were still folks alive who remembered the USAID projects that built Kandahar Airfield and turned Lashkah Gah into "Little America". China has none of those. Maybe it could today, but I just don't see that blossoming anytime soon.


No_Excitement492

China has made a shit load of money from the world over the last year. They are probably the most wealthiest government right now. Since they are communist and don’t release all the data they are probably way richer and powerful than we guess. I wouldn’t doubt with the money and resources and the build up of military and tech they have been doing over the last decade that they wouldn’t try to impose their influence in the region. They probably want to go test their new advances in military tech out.


fwilson01

Uhhhhh did you see China in the 80’s and 90’s? China was mostly in poverty, Japan and Taiwan were the major powers and South Korea was basically a dictatorship China had no foreign influence whatsoever back then.


yegguy47

\**Cambodia waving in the distance*... China also enjoyed a pretty rosy relationship with the US, supplied arms to the MPLA, had a client state in Albania, and tried exporting Maoists to Nepal. Just some of the foreign policies it had going. Oh, and it supplied arms to the Mujaheddin, via Pakistan.


PbnJdams

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9755531/amp/China-prepares-Afghanistan-following-Americas-departure-Belt-Road-program.html Just google it, they seem pretty interested.


yegguy47

Belt and Road largely sidetracked Afghanistan. Much more considerable investment in Central Asian Republics and Pakistan. The latter especially since the Chinese have put heavy investment in developing some ports exactly because of how Afghanistan's instability forces them to 'go around'. There's also some skepticism about how B&R might be more of a domestic money laundering scheme, but I digress. Daily Mail kinda jumps to the speculation bit without serious thinking. Afghanistan really isn't on the Chinese radar.


PbnJdams

I’m not saying China is actually interested in Afghanistan. I think the move has more to do with stabilizing the region economically just enough for Afghanistan to not be a pain in the ass.


yegguy47

Even then I doubt it. Afghanistan simply is just more trouble then it's worth for them. China tends to be largely supportive of regional efforts to solve Afghanistan's internal struggles, and doesn't seem all too at odds with having a non-burdensome government, even the Taliban, in charge so long as it just remains to itself. Gotta remember, geography is on China's side. High Hindu Kush is essentially impenetrable at present. They might share a tiny border, but Afghanistan is much more distant to China than map shows.


Valentino-Meid

Thats just china's way, instead of invading and using military force they build highways, theyve been doing the same in southeast asia for a while now.


SevTheNiceGuy

let them have a go at it. Let's see if they have the stomach for having their soldiers killed


Devgru-WM

Facts.


fiddycaldeserteagle

Call it what it is. Surrender and evacuate ceremony. Refugee crises on a biblical scale in 3... 2....


BusterScrugs

Nah they aren't going to go anywhere. The Taliban will continue extracting taxes from villages like they've been doing for 20 years and the villagers will pay them and stay.


fiddycaldeserteagle

Anyone suspected of collaborating with the coalition will need to run or be murdered


BusterScrugs

Maybe. But if the Taliban is trying to portray themselves as a legitimate government they are going to need to find some other kind of closure for the disparate population of Afghanistan or they'll find themselves still ruling over 1/8 of the country in a peacetime scenario.


miciej

Afghanistan is not an easy country to conquer and hold.


yegguy47

Victory has a hundred fathers. Defeat is an orphan.


TheCakeCakeCake

not much else we can do when the afghani forces are so incompetent


Jmoney1997

Exactly, let them sort out their own country. If they're so incompetent maybe they shouldn't be in charge.


[deleted]

>let them sort out their own country Yeah, after USA fucking up their country for 2 decades. Sure.


Jmoney1997

So is the solution to stay there and keep fucking up their country?


Jmoney1997

Exactly, let them sort out their own country. If they're so incompetent maybe they shouldn't be in charge.


Jmoney1997

Afghanistan will never be a free & peaceful country until its foreign military occupation ends. The Taliban is not the United States problem not now, not 20 years ago.


panic_kernel_panic

Bin Laden made it a problem. That said, problem should have ended when he took that dirt (sea?) nap…


Jmoney1997

Tbh one man doesn't give you the right to invade a country and bomb & kill its people for 20 years.


Snoot_Boot

Al-Queda is more than 1 man


Jmoney1997

Ok and are they a threat to the US? How many more years and how many more trillions must be spent? Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia when they helped the 9/11 pilots if the impotus for invading is al queda?


Snoot_Boot

That first sentence tho, lmao


Jmoney1997

You know I'm right. But keep finding any way to justify endless war.


Snoot_Boot

Alright then, history lesson Al-Queda hit the Pentagon and Twin Towers. USA demands perpetrators from Afghanistan. Afghans say "nope." This is the part where you think the US had no right to invade. The US should have just said "gosh darn it" and went about their business I guess. Your username implies that you're at least 24 years old and not some teenage edge lord. You're an adult, do some critical thinking


snkrhead31405

they hated him because he spoke the truth


tonomae

This aged well


Spoiler84

Gen. Miller, livin’ that dot life.


newyearsclould99

Crye or die


yegguy47

Noticed that, Miller's taking the custom route for those uniforms. Reminds me of some old-school military fashion, when higher ups would have custom tigerstripes, or WW2 bomber jackets instead of field garb.


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305FUN

IIRC in one podcast of Andy Stumpf, he's not contented (i.e. bored) while doing close protection of Karzai. I'm not sure if the Unit guys shared the same feelings though.


PM_me_girls_and_tits

Miller was the former JSOC commander, could play a role in them escorting him.


StabSnowboarders

Miller was also a D boy for a while


hyp-erion

yes. it’s part of OTC. I imagine like anything else, guys slated for that detail will do additional refresher training/courses.


IvanRoi_

I don’t know for D-boys but In France it’s usually operators at the end of their career that do PSD for VIPs. Those guys may be looking for quieter assignments than door kicking and it helps them preparing for their reintegration to the civilian market as contractors. It’s also worth noting that Gen. Miller was involved in a Taliban attack where he had to drawn his own handgun to defend himself https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/gunfire-erupts-in-afghan-governors-compound-after-meeting-with-us-commander/2018/10/18/109fc5e0-d2ce-11e8-b2d2-f397227b43f0_story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp


longbowfosho

Miller has been in command of Afghanistan for nearly 3 years?


Odins_Eyebrows

Yes. My lead instructor for the DoS WWPS pipeline was former CAG. He wasn't exactly forthcoming with information about his training and history, but they do WAY more than DA/CT work.


introvertasaurus

My experience is this isn’t true. DA/CT is much more complex, it involves larger forces, greater variety of weapon systems, vehicles, insertion platforms, across different environments/terrain and has more moving parts. Core skillsets are complementary and there is additional training to be done, but it’s not more then DA/CT. Much more planning is required as you’re not just security, you’re also facilitating movement to key meetings and you need to ensure these timings are met. You’re also escorting not just the VIP, but all the cunts hanging on as well. It’s a shit job


Odins_Eyebrows

You misread the thread. The original comment asked if CAG had additional BG/EP training, and I affirmed that they do. I worked in that industry for a bit. I know exactly how shitty it can be.


introvertasaurus

You said they do way more training then DA/CT, and I explained why that isn’t true? Spent 10 years in the industry across those roles, including 6 months in the country of the aforementioned thread providing vip protection, and it was the lowest training requirement of the lot by far.


Odins_Eyebrows

CAG does training across the cool-guy spectrum. I don't know who you talked to or worked with in that unit, but OTC alone covers WAY more than just DA/CT and HR. I had another guy (student) in my training pipeline that completed OTC around 2008, and they trained with fed leo, intel agencies, private sector survival, advance recon, nuke recovery, and BG/EP. And I don't even think I'm covering a fraction of what they're trained for. So to say that they JUST train for DA/CT is outright false. Yes, their primary mission set is now DA/CT/HR, but that isn't all they do. CAG was first spun up for HR ops. But over the years they evolved as a unit to encompass all of the above and more. It just makes sense for SOCOM or FORSCOM or whatever overarching command is in charge there now to slot CAG for BG/EP duties for their VIP's because they have that training already. It wouldn't make sense to have a SEAL team or Green Beret ODA or Ranger Platoon do it because they aren't organically trained for that role like CAG is.


introvertasaurus

Hahah I was so fucken confused by your response because I never said that’s all they do. OP asked: “does Delta undergo a ton of training for VIPs” You replied: “yes they do way more then DA/CT work” Which I read as you claiming they did way more VIP training then DA/CT training. And that’s what I was disagreeing with.


Odins_Eyebrows

Nah man you're good. I knew what you were trying to get across, but I was having a hard time articulating what I was trying to say, too. Crossed wires all across the board haha


Spoiler84

Also consider a more loyal bodyguard.


MyCodeNameIsBryan

Why are the Delta Force faces blurred out but the Generals isn't?


ARM7501

Because at that level the general is more like a military politician than a soldier, while the CAG guys may very well have been rolling around in Whatafuckistan the week before doing covert jobs.


policeandthieves

Either the OCP top is really small or he’s pretty swole.


yegguy47

Crye Field apparel. Note the Multicam instead of standard OCP pattern Miller's former JSOC, so he largely rocks the SOF look instead of standard ACUs


Get_Rick_Rolled_

My brother just got back from afghanistan, he was on one of the last flights out and he got the chance to chat with General Miller before he left.


vladmir_1917

Lol just like in Vietnam they didn’t “lose the war”, they just left


loiteraries

Gen. Austin Miller is America’s General Gromov. But Gromov was actually the last Soviet soldier to leave Afghanistan on foot.


gains_master25

These guys look like semi pro rugby players goddamn


dethb0y

Good luck to the afghans, or whatever.


blaineklein

Hey, Gennie...where is your Fing cover?


Leathergoose8

Mk-18s?


IvanRoi_

The usual CAG’s « tanodized » HK416D


Leathergoose8

How long are the barrels?


razethestray

10.3


Blockii

10.4


ilikefixingthingz

10.5


Blockii

Wrong, it’s definitely 10.4


ilikefixingthingz

I was just making it sequential


MessaBombadWarrior

Actually, it's 10.39


305FUN

> Mk-18s? Check this out. https://i.redd.it/o479ityzsnb51.jpg


hewhoisbanned

No


OverkillAntics

So is CAG hanging onto the HK416Ds for longer? Because DEV has just switched over to the fancy new Noveske's, so I wonder when the Army side will make the change.


The_Chief-

I was there on that day as a driver for the afghan officers. Wondered who those boys were.


tommyD184

Are they wearing those Velocity Systems Rugby shirts?


305FUN

> Are they wearing those Velocity Systems Rugby shirts? Looks like BOSS Velocity it is on earth tan. https://i.imgur.com/G5wTDUd.jpg


Ok_Intention_7402

Millers Boys! Love em


B1L7A7K6E

If he needs security why is he himself not wearing body armor?


FlieGerFaUstMe262

He's an O-10, basically a supreme military politician. Needs to look the part.


B1L7A7K6E

But if he is potentially in danger why wouldn’t he just throw on some armor? I don’t get it


FlieGerFaUstMe262

There's a look. For all we know he is wearing armor underneath.


TeeckleMeElmo

I talked briefly with one of them, can't remember which when he was at Bagram recently, he seemed super down to earth and chill


SurgenSK

Winkler axe spotted


CloudsinaDemo

They all have the same beard…


punksnotbread

Idk if I can trust an army 3star without A CIB...


hyp-erion

you’ll be comforted to know that General Miller even has a star to go along with his - in addition to two Purple Hearts and a BSM-V.


punksnotbread

I stand corrected, thanks! I was mostly just joking but it's good to know


hyp-erion

totally get it, bro - honestly I found it pretty wild to learn while looking it up that he was the ground force commander during the Battle of Mogadishu


ItreallybethatEZ

General Miller was in the 75th Ranger regiment and Delta. He also fought in Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Iraq. I trust him