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JoaoWillerding

Out of the loop what happened this time? Ia it about Brown Table cospobre?


Troodon_wt

Some twitter bs. I think it has to do with the spooderman costume comment Rags had on latest EFAP, not really looked into it as it is irrelevant to me. However some blokes over here got angry on some of the recent posts and as suspected Southpaw screenshoted their retarded comment (as internet discourse goes) and made fun of them on the twooter. Anyways I felt the need to call this out cos people on this subreddit don't know when to let things just slide and move on with their life.


JoaoWillerding

Can't we go a week without dumb drama?


Troodon_wt

Wish we could. I would honestly completly ignore it if not for idiots from here who are on personal crusade or something and **have to** respond to everyone no matter how redundent it is.


Cymro2011

EFAP basically exists to cause drama


Trajforce

oh fuck of


YourPrivateNightmare

>Otherwise respond with apathy because there's nothing more trivial and stupid than internet drama, just walk away and let it wash over (some greek or roman guy probably). Pretty sure it was Bigideas in his lecture "Drama and gay shit on the internet"


Troodon_wt

Ah yes how could I forgot our great teacher Bigideas.


simon1996111

Good thing that i don't give a fuck.


Serpentking5

Yeah exactly it's a fruitless effort for everyone here. I try to avoid giving him attention.


TheBusRustler

If it bothered SP as much as he wants us to think, he should have taken it up with Rags or Mauler to talk to them personally before going off on social media. But the fact that he immediately put them on blast for it instead just tells me he doesn’t care about the situation all that much and instead saw it as an opportunity to increase his Twitter Social Credit Score with what he thought would be a possible cancelling. Fuck him and any little clown boys that conduct themselves in this fashion.


Deus_Vult9161

To be completely fair, it’s entirely possible that going off on social media wasn’t the first thing he did, he could’ve had a conversation in a private discord call with mauler and rags beforehand and we wouldn’t know. Unless something has been said that contradicts that and I just am not aware of that, idk


st_cali

hold on a minute.... i gues ive been away from EFAP for a minute.... wasnt Southpaw on a lot of EFAPs? im fucking confused...


AdamJen1

I'm not familiar with the latest drama, but if history is any indicator Southpaw probably needs to make better augments.


Oldpanther86

Southpaw didn't even start it.


horiami

Did southpaw do something?


MrTightface

When does he not?


HanNotanaholeSolo

A couple months ago he said some ignorant shit, but I assume something fresh just hit the fan Edit: was thinking of [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MauLer/comments/pfc1uv/well_rip_smudboy_i_guess_what_a_ride/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) but I can’t actually tell how southpaw is relevant. Apologies.


The_New_Arrow

After Mauler “made fun of” him for liking Terriers/explaining to him why it’s bad, he had a falling out with the Long Man and left his Discord server. Then, SK posted a clip of Mauler and pals reacting to Browntable in a Spidey outfit *in his review of No Way Home*, and he came out of his hole to post his own slew of no-context clips, and every other thing he can to burn his bridges with Mauler and gain some Twitter followers in the process.


Ryanious

wait when did this falling out happen


The_New_Arrow

A month ago.


PezDispencer

> After Mauler “made fun of” him for liking Terriers/explaining to him why it’s bad Is there a movie or something named that? Cause I find it hilarious thinking that this came about due to opinions on a breed of dog, but somehow I don't think that's it.


JoaoWillerding

Its a cop show from what i could find.


PezDispencer

Sadge


The_New_Arrow

It's a cop show.


BigMatchRoman

When did MauLer discuss terriers? Would be interested in watching it


Gabzy12

Criticized the first 5 episodes in the superchat section of 151, then ranted about it towards the end of the first superchat catchup for 150


Jedimastermuffin

Do you know if there is an efap on terriers? I saw what looked like some clips of Efap on southpaw’s Twitter but I can’t find where they’re from.


ITBA01

I think both Mauler and Fringy said they're not interested in covering it because they don't want to watch the series ever again. Not fans, clearly.


Gabzy12

Criticized the first 5 episodes in the superchat section of 151, then ranted about it towards the end of the first superchat catchup for 150


Jedimastermuffin

Ah right, what did you think about their criticisms? I haven’t watched terriers but I’ve definitely considered it.


Gabzy12

Their criticisms were fair, Southpaw’s rebuttals were fair in some instances, and whataboutism’s in other instances. I thought the show was fine, not great like Southpaw insists or awful like mauler & fringy insist.


Loredo2017

After looking at the comments, still gave no idea what happened to dislike Southpaw. Was it his initial take of Eternal? Haven't kept up with him so really don't know


JoaoWillerding

Aparently was a discussion on Terriers.


ITBA01

Is that really what broke up EFAP? I'm not too familiar with the situation.


Oldpanther86

Yes. It's one of Southpaw's favourites and they didn't do a very good job criticising it. Somehow it went sour but that's not something I'm in the loop for.


lillchicken126

Idk and Idc about any of the drama. Just gotta get off my chest, I hate when he's on an episode. He is the most annoying guest by far imo.


[deleted]

I mean that SK Comics guy is way worse than Southpaw just saying.


JoaoWillerding

Why?


[deleted]

He's just kinda rude and constantly makes character judgements, like calling everyone disingenuous and has to respond to everything Just another reactionary EFAP ripoff type that is like going to war with EFAP from what I've seen. Him and those ECUM guys.


Old_You7106

“don’t make it personal” ? Southpaw comes on this sub and starts personal arguments all the fuckin time, he’s the one who makes shit personal


Troodon_wt

And people like you are the problem. If you can't be the better person and just let it be it will just be never ending cycle that is reflecting on the whole comunity, not just you. So be so good and let it go or vent yourself on twitter they'll invite this vangefull attitude with open arms.


TheBusRustler

“Just let our side talk shit and be mean, because when you defend yourself you’re being a bully” Yeah how about go fuck yourself.


cry_w

There is a limit to how much people should be expected to turn the other cheek. As it is, I don't see why anyone should have to be the "better person" on an anonymous internet forum. If he can't handle what people say without trying to publicly denounce them on Twitter or whatever the hell, then people have every single right to tell him to shove it.


Old_You7106

what the fuck are you talking about ? Southpaw came after me personally and started a ridiculous argument with me on this sub …. not the other way around. People like you are the problem talking shit about something you know nothing about.


Troodon_wt

And you are gonna hang on that for how long? Next 5 months? (I mean come on it's been 2 months already) Time to wake up, world doesn't revolve around someone calling you insults. I get insults daily on the internet (and I don't even have twitter). I highly doubt MauLer will remember vast majority of people he had arguments with from the past months. I bet Rags doesn't remember the people who went after him after ATLA take and RE8 stream. Learn to let things be and stop starting up drama 2 months later just because Southpaw was mean to you. I can go back and check and this is purely, you and southpaw problem, so solve it somewhere else and don't pull other people into this just because you are part of this sub and comunity.


Old_You7106

wait so you’re saying that because it’s been a month, 5 months, a year …. I’m just supposed to all of sudden because of time passed think Southpaw is a good guy now ? fuck no that’s ridiculous You are the one who claimed this isn’t personal and not to make it personal but that’s the problem Southpaw makes shit personal all the time, that’s the only reason i responded to you


Troodon_wt

I am saying you are not suppose to start drama 2 months after the fact for no reason at all. (I was in those comments I saw what you wrote and this post was low key aimed at you and people like you because you are only adding fuel into fire) I don't believe in good and bad guys. You godda learn to let go of such a petty grudges as internet arguments. Doesn't mean you have to like the guy, but move on. In past 2 months I had arguments with at least 7 people who I wholehearthedly can say don't like on personal level. Doesn't mean I'll go after them out the fucking blue for no reason other than venting.


Old_You7106

You made this whole post because of me and people like me but it’s not personal lmao and who is attacking Southpaw out of the blue for no reason? edit- EFAP was built on arguing with people and critique yet you clearly have a serious problem with it so maybe you should find something better to do


TheBusRustler

Southpaw started drama about an event that occurred months and months ago you absolute dipshit, that’s how this whole situation began. Are you saying it’s ok for him to start drama months after the fact but no one else? Fuck off.


CherrierBluefait

Sorry to ask, but what exactly is this event that occurred anyway? I see some mention of criticism of Terriers (a show he likes I guess?) and some kind of falling out as a result of it? And something about Rags' comment (or stance?) on Star Wars Theory crying over Luke in Mando and Browntable wearing the Spiderman shirt to the movies? ~~Just went to check Southpaw's Twitter out of curiosity and... it seems a bit unhealthy how much he's posting about it.~~ I prefer to stay silent or avoid drama typically, but I'm very confused about why the sudden going off on Twitter and posting what I assume were private chats for public viewing? Or if not private chats, just something off MauLer's Discord? Like someone else said in this post, it feels kind of shitty to just blast a disagreement all over social media, instead of trying to work things out amongst themselves. I probably shouldn't pry as it's not really my business, and I am probably out of my depth attempting to discuss it, but I just can't help but have my curiosity piqued. It just feels very sudden, and a bit of a shame given how much content they all did together in the DC arc. Also sorry if this is not quite the correct post to ask this to/reply to, but I just thought maybe you or someone else who happens upon this longer chain of messages may have some insight that has more detail to it? edit: wow... I think I got the wrong Twitter account. I'm an idiot... I don't use the site/don't keep up with anything going on there or what tags people may use.


TheBusRustler

Basically there was a Twitter conversation about EFAP being hypocritical or rude, and one guy pointed out how Rags made fun of a dude for crying at Luke in the Mandalorian and how the gang also laughed at HiTop(?) wearing a Spider-Man costume to go see NWH. They didn’t call him anything horrible, they just said it was pretty pathetic to have that reaction to something so innocuous as Luke APPEARING as a grown adult, and Southpaw joined right in on brigading them and talking about how shitty they were for what they did and jumping on your typical Twatter lynch mob mentality. Now considering he has some kind of relationship with the gang, I would assume he would have actually brought it up with them personally if it truly bothered him all that much. But considering he immediately took to shitting on them with the rest of the lynch mob mental cases on Twatter, my intuition tells me he doesn’t give a shit that they made fun of someone and just saw an opportunity to virtue signal and boost his social credit score. Frankly I always found him to be the most boring person in any episode he was in and never seemed to have anything interesting to say about anything they were talking about, just kind of nodding along and when he would try to argue a point, he often misremembered the scene or thing he was talking about or clearly had no knowledge of it to begin with. Nothing lost to EFAP if you ask me. Situations like this are always my favorite because I get to learn who people really are, and I hope the gang feels the same way, though I wouldn’t be surprised if they were a little mad/hurt/betrayed. But basically it’s a whole lot of nothing that’s getting blown out of proportion, because Twatter.


CherrierBluefait

Well... that's unfortunate, but revealing of Southpaw's character. Jumping on the Twitter bandwagon (or at least adopting the whole mob mentality thing) over just talking things out I think is far more damning than anything Rags may have said. That may be considered a shit take, but I just prefer someone saying something to my face over someone being friendly to me while going behind my back and posting shit about it online. Yes, Rags can be very coarse/blunt with what he says, but it's not like he's going out and trying to character assassinate people or is someone who genuinely endorses genocide or some other outlandish thing unironically. I feel like people put too much weight behind the things he says or take it all way too personally. I don't believe he's really being serious a lot of the time/is expressing disinterest on things he just doesn't feel passionate about (like the ATLA stuff). I don't know... nothing he's ever said has really bugged me that much? I just feel like there's more constructive ways to iron out differences than participating in Twitter drama. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions too soon or being too reactionary at this whole thing. This is just sort of my... initial reaction to the whole thing. Plus I've dealt with people I used to consider friends who've tried character assassinating me in the past by going behind my back instead of just talking to me, so it does pique my curiosity in a special way. This all just lowers my opinion on Southpaw further (he wasn't particularly my fav guest either, but I didn't dislike him or anything). I notice poking around on Twitter (actually found the right account) he seems to be bringing up "moral arguments" and subjectivity, spreading misinformation on media in regards to their take on Terriers, and holding the hosts accountable? Why not discuss these things with them personally instead of blasting it all over Twitter? It just feels so sudden and jarring. Maybe it's presumptuous of me to also assume he hasn't spoken to them himself about it too? I'm mostly going over things I've read here on the Sub and a bit of Twitter browsing (which is a pain without an account, but fuck that site). I got some information wrong in my initial post, but I think I'm clearer on it now. I should probably not get into this too much though since I may be out of my depth or may put my foot in my mouth or something. Besides it's not really any of my business I suppose, I just couldn't help but ask somebody about it out of curiosity. Thanks for the concise breakdown of the situation, and pardon my overly long/poorly thought out tismy response lol. Back to lurking I go. edit: You know... coming back to this, I should probably just keep my mouth shut. Looking at the newer posts on this subject out of morbid cuisity, I don't think I stand by certain points in this post anymore and probably shouldn't have commented in the first place. I don't know anybody in EFAP personally (guest or otherwise), so who am I to comment such things on anyone's character via here say or perceptions of character via Twitter of all places in the first place. It's too easy to leave shit comments relating to your own personal issues too, or to be swept up in para social drama if you're not careful so... not very good of me to do that either. Debating on deleting comment... but will leave for now.


[deleted]

I don't even know who's Southpaw is.


Oldpanther86

Made a video criticising Spider-man 2 which was really well done. Was an EFAP guest for a while. Got a reputation for being a contrarian which I believed at one point but have come to like him. I'm probably the only one though.


One_Testicle_Man

I don't like southpaw, but he has made some good points. this reads like discouraging people from communicating with him, because you might not be able to counter his arguments. he is right about efap slipping into territories it shouldn't, both the Hitops in spider-man costume, and the Star wars theory thing was unnecessary, also I never understood why they made comments about the appearance of jeb Nicole in their "11 hour" video. i like efap, but they are not above criticism, when they are rude for no reason, one should be able to call them out on it.


Twinkling_Ding_Dong

Weren't their comments about Jebby in regards to the poor lighting washing out her features?


PezDispencer

It's been a while, but it was either about the lighting, her makeup being insane or both. Which is completely fair enough. She's making a video, how she presents herself in it is relevant. It's not any different to if someone was on with completely unkempt hair and obvious signs of a lack of bathing. Or if they were sitting in a completely dark room.


Troodon_wt

EFAP did this from the very begining. Not sure how long are you part of it, but it used to be lot harsher than that. If anything this is very mild reaction and something most people would point out. I don't know how many times does it have to be said but the entire premise is that they do what they did (and still do) offline just between each other with longer pauses between something being said and empty space.


ITBA01

Kinda true. Do people remember their early videos on Quinton? Granted, Quinton was a major piece of shit towards them, so it was arguably warranted.


NeekoBestTomato

Justifying being shitty with "they've always been shitty tho" doesnt stop them being shitty. Its a really basic point being made honestly. Just dont be cunts. Like you'd think that wouldnt cause drama yet here we are.


Troodon_wt

Drama will be caused no matter what you do, that's the internet culture of 2020's. I respect honesty and that sometimes includes being a cunt. I'll say it like this be as much of a cunt as you wish as long as it doesn't hurt others in some major fassion, but you have to have the skin to just let things slide yourself. Which the hosts have, so I am fine with it. Call me shity person or mean for this. It is true in the end I am no paragon of morality. I am sarcastic, insulting, annoying and many many more negatives you could think off. In short pretty normal person, I just don't hide being a cunt.


NeekoBestTomato

Yeah see... this kind of thing is what pushes me away from the efap community time and time again. Honest cunt or dishonest cunt - either way you are still a cunt and thats not something to have a wierd sense of pride over. > In short pretty normal person, I just don't hide being a cunt. No. The normal person route is to say "my bad" and apologize for being the cunt. Not to embrace it and make it your persona, or argue against it, or blame it on internet culture / kids these days / libtards / whatever. But yeah this is basically just the EFAP internal conflict. The Rags half who are *really* just here to insult people under the shroud of "its just honest criticism" And Jay etc half who actually care about giving good criticism and dont need to be derogatory to the people making it to do so.


Crossaint_Dog_Viper

Jay's community isn't nice either. I experienced that myself multiple times in the past. It isn't necessary to apologize on the internet in Rags case. It's different if you meet someone in person.


NeekoBestTomato

Well conveniant rags only shit talks others on the internet anonymously hiding behind a furry avatar isnt it? But like actually ive only seen good things in Jays community. Or at least, Jay never encourages Bullshit. Unless its at homophones etc - which, deserved.


Crossaint_Dog_Viper

Well eye for eye, tooth for tooth or what? Idk. They way you describe homophobic people is like you regular punch them. 😐 They should be talked too & maybe reasoned with. But simply say - yeah they deserve it. That's dark - and I don't wanna talk about it. Oh, my favourite argument. The you don't show your face, Bs. Jay didn't show his face. When he created videos (Minecraft) at a young age. Maybe the furry looks better or he is way to pretty for a camera. I like to see his wardrobe & his styling. If he doesn't have hip outfits Iam disappointed. Therefore a room tour around Rags production room would be neat. MauLer & Fringy hide behind their avatar as well. Convient as well. Jay did discuss with Smudboy & Jlongbone. Especially the J Long twitter case made me worried. Not a good look on Jay. He is out of the ordinary which isn't necessary a bad thing.


NeekoBestTomato

Nice - to defend Rags you've managed to mindfuck yourself into defending homophobes. > MauLer & Fringy hide behind their avatar as well. Convient as well. Is, isnt it?


Crossaint_Dog_Viper

Defending homophobes? Where did I even mention there position? Thanks for agreeing with me that it's nice to defend Rags.


TheBusRustler

You know where the door is then. See ya later.


NeekoBestTomato

and you guys wonder why everyone else hates this community


TheBusRustler

No I don’t. I know it’s because people like you can’t handle having your own shit thrown right back at you. You won’t be missed, if you want to leave no one is stopping you.


Ok-Staff-8610

Man your a hypocrite


Talimwind

They have said multiple times "I give as good as i get", and i can't for the life of me remember any instances of the Efap crew being rude to someone that havn't done shit far worse to them to begin with. Obviously from the ancient days of Jared which i personally found distasteful and always skipped, i can't think of a single time they have started shit with someone.


Richter_66

If you're not into the banter you should never have been a MauLer fan. Do you think his Unbridled Rages aren't also full of profanity and insults? Oh, you only care when it suits you. Literally the very beginning of EFAP was them mercilessly mocking a sad basement dweller called Jared Genisis. But when it's a grown man crying about Star Wars, now it's a fucking bridge too far.


NeekoBestTomato

No you are right to point out - I dont like the unbridled stuff nearly as much as his star wars critique for that exact reason. But at least there the rage is *mostly* directed at a fictional character. You cant be a cunt to someone who doesnt exist. I follow EFAP for the moments when they dont do this. And when they spiral down this hole i skip past or watch a different episode. Caus when they are good its worth it. Just a shame that it has to be like that.


martiHUN

Discouraging people from communicating, sounds like the exact opposite of what EFAP always seems to advocate for.


Arimaneki

I don't know, I still feel like Star Wars Theory crying over Luke killing robots is warranted. I understand it seems harsh, but it's just such a bizarre thing to cry over. No one really called out EFAP when they criticized Eric Butts for crying over the TROS trailer. And their comments on Jebby were definitely more about her terrible lighting. But honestly, I'm fine with even digs at appearances and other things here and there. Especially because people tend to forget all the times EFAP have spoken with people whose videos they've covered and made fun of in similar ways, and were absolutely cordial af with in person. That's how they've made several friends including Jay, Moriarty, Thought Theatre, Full Fat Videos, Colin Sanders and more. And don't forget Tonald. They used to ridicule Tonald. But when he eventually came on EFAP 100, he gave a heartfelt thanks for all the warm support and positivity he had received from the EFAP fandom. I understand if someone doesn't like it when they make rude fun of people, but I firmly believe that EFAP has easily generated much more positivity than negativity in their time and I don't think enough people recognize that.


Kerrah

>he is right about efap slipping into territories it shouldn't, both the Hitops in spider-man costume, and the Star wars theory thing was unnecessary, also I never understood why they made comments about the appearance of jeb Nicole in their "11 hour" video. Example 1 is from now. Example 2 is from a year ago. Example 3 is from two years ago. You've highlighted a progression, there, for sure.


Front-Review1388

So glad Southpaw officially burned his bridge with Mauler and EFAP. He will not be missed Now I hope EFAP covers his dogshit Spider-Man 2 video


BirdsElopeWithTheSun

I'm pretty sure EFAP said that they liked his Spider-Man 2 video. I liked it too, that video is pretty good.


Troodon_wt

People being inconsistent doesn't invalidate their past work. That video is of good quality and research. It would largely end up as recent RLM video on ROS, they would agree with large amount if not all. This is the exact problem, you people can't just let it go. You have to play the game of oneup'smanship of who's gonna be the bigger dickhead you or Southpaw. This is what I get for posting considerate post that doesn't try to call you out and insult you, dumbass comments that are biased as fuck, the exact oposite for what I call for in this post.


akira_ryuunoske

Yeah the Spider-Man 2 vid was good. He's just insufferable on Twitter lol.


Sagetyrant

Noooo! Someone doesn't confirm my biases so I must discredit their entire work! That's how it must be!


AdamJen1

Before watching Southpaw's Spiderman 2 video I thought SM2 was a bit over rated. Then I watched Southpaw's video. Some of the problems he pointed out where pretty good, but a lot of them I thought were poor or wrong. I actually ended the video with a higher opinion of SM2 then when I started.


sucksi

>Now I hope EFAP covers his dogshit Spider-Man 2 video It wasnt a dogshit video, quite good and im pretty sure EFAP liked it


MimsyIsGianna

I’m new here. Lmao what happened?


TheLostPyromancer

Southpaw being a contrarian Twitter shitlord as usual. Don’t pay him any mind


Darth_Blagus

*argueing