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VayaConZeus

I’m just a few minutes into where they’ve started watching Plinkett, and I’m loving how much they’re laughing at the jokes. Plinkett has some analytical flaws, yes, but the character’s humor is fun when it lands


Kerrah

The Plinkett prequel reviews are great, but they're also a product of their time. The anti CGI stance was a really common thing back then, and that's one thing where RLM were going by the film critique zeitgeist of the era, one to one. As EFAP pointed out here, CGI being inherently bad, or inferior to practical effects, is a dumb mindset that needs to die, and I'm glad it's not as prevalent anymore. I've seen a lot of people dismiss the good effects in the Sequels by presenting it as if more money = more good effects, without any human effort or craft required. I distinctly remember someone saying "Disney Star Wars looks good? Yes, Disney has lots of money." I don't remember if that was Mauler or someone else, but whoever said it was being a dum-dum. --- What a lot of people today don't understand is the historical context where before Plinkett, people hated on the Prequels without really being able to explain why, beyond "Jar Jar sucks", "Kid Anakin sucks", "the love dialogue sucks", etc. The Plinkett Reviews made a structured argument based on filmmaking and storytelling 101 foundations for why these movies don't work, and for example Jar Jar is only mentioned in the ROTS video, and fairly briefly. --- It's sad that some people apparently only remember the phrase "shot-reverse-shot" from Plinkett's cinematography segment in this video, because he's explicitly not saying "this movie sucks because it has shot-reverse-shot". He's talking about the repetitive, unimaginative and unexciting cinematography in a larger scale, and Lucas constantly falling to the same, very basic shot compositions. The problem isn't shot-reverse-shot itself, but having every dialogue scene framed with the same exact pace and level of visual energy. I saw a superchat come in during the premiere saying "RLM hates shot-reverse-shot, but their own shows are all shot-reverse-shot!" Like, no shit, talk shows where people are speaking, and we're just supposed to focus on the things they're saying without being distracted by camerawork have basic cinematography. What a big brain comment! --- Another thing I'll fault RLM for is their really unfair stance on Lucas' contributions to the OT. At some point they fell into the mindset that "Lucas actually didn't do that much to create Star Wars, it was all other people's accomplishment, and he tricked himself into believing it was all him". In this Plinkett Review they play a clip talking about the editing of the rough draft of the first Star Wars movie, and in the clip Lucas explicitly says that cut was made by **the first editor, that he fired for being bad**, but the clip is framed as if it's talking about Lucas' own editing. I wish EFAP had caught on that bit of (probably unintentional) dishonesty. --- So yeah, there's a number of things where I disagree with RLM, and where I think they missed the mark on these videos, but they were absolutely amazing for their day, and still hold out as really good even today. Come at me, Plinkett haters.


Sagetyrant

That segment near the end where Plinkett is saying Lucas doesn't have original ideas because he reused franchise elements (lightsaber duels, escape pods,e rc) or random stuff (grappling hooks) was pretty cringe.


Kerrah

Yes, definitely. That was the worst aged part.


VayaConZeus

Yeah, if you watch and know Plinkett, you get a lot more context for some of his gripes that EFAP gang had a problem with. For example, his whole issue with the opening CGI sequence is rooted in his distaste for Lucas trying to completely fill the screen with as much crap as possible, and he believes Lucas clearly thought more is better just because it’s more. Plinkett would say the opening scene of Episode IV told you everything you needed to know with just two ships


InquisitorGoldeneye

Merry FAPmas, everybody! ~ Edit: I'll just leave these here. https://youtu.be/2SGEhPYN-20 https://youtu.be/m0gXQhn74aU https://youtu.be/7OlKmoApdok Also, I kind of liked Mr. Plinket's idea of having the baddies use clones and the Republic using a conscript army of normal citizens.


martiHUN

Anakin would never kill children, okay, but to say even Darth Vader would have second doubts to execute children, what am I listening to. Do they forget that in this universe there is a Dark Side of the Force, an evil manifestation of the space magic, which not only corrupt the body but the mind as well, and once you succumb to it there is small to no chance of coming back.


Mawrak

yeah Darth Vader is supposed to be like the most evil person in the Galaxy (except maybe for the Emperor)


Modification102

I always saw Vader as the sort of practical, pragmatic sort of evil for the most part. He is the kind of individual that will have no problem committing heinous acts so long as they are serving the end goal of a personal endeavor or of the empire itself. It isn't as if Vader has a specific soft spot for children, or that he has a degree of uncertainty in the acts he is committing, he is very much driven and to the point. I think if he were to hestitate, it would be if the request to kill the children served no end goal or practical purpose. For example, if the argument was "These children are force sensitive and could become threats", I don't think Vader would have any issue with it at all. By the same measure, if the children had the capacity to become rebel sympathizers, he would do it. However if the argument was simply "Vader, I need you to kill these kids because I simply want them dead", I don't think Vader would do it. He is evil, but he isn't mustache twirlingly kill happy evil to where he will just go on a slaughter for no reason at all or to fuel some sort of primal urge. It is always in service of something be it personal or in service of the empire.


Mawrak

Well, the thing is, Anakin was given a reason to kill the children. Palpatine said he has to harness the power of the dark side in order to save Padme, like he has to go all in, show no mercy at all. So in this situation Vader would kill them easily.


Modification102

Right, my criticism is that I don't think Anakin is at the developmental point where he would just kill them because he is given a reason to. That is a position he would get to after committing many lesser acts, growing in intensity over time to where this sort of act becomes common and expected. If anything, the first time he is faced with this choice, I would expect at least a high degree of hesitation, even if all subsequent instances from then on become easier to justify. It is important to remember that the Vader following the palpatine scene is 19 years of conquest away from the Vader in A New Hope. To date the most significant kill he has had to make was Mace Windu, which is a far cry away from innocent children in terms of justification. Perhaps a way of getting there developmentally would be that he starts at the most significant, and then sequentially moves to less and less significant offenses before finally arriving at innocent children. Over time he has become more and more willing to punish those who had committed smaller and smaller misdeeds.