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MyMouthisCancerous

She-Hulk looks a little rough around the edges but it's not out for 3 months so I'm sure they're polishing things up for that. The CG model is basically the only stand out problem I had with the footage because otherwise it looks pretty fun and I'm glad we're getting more Hulk mythos stuff anyway


Celestin_Sky

I said it elsewhere, but with three more months it can be done. Some CGI artists may die, but it's a sacrifice Marvel is willing to make.


Spider-Fan77

VFX artist: "You're killing me!" Kevin Feige: "I'm sorry. But in the grand calculus of the MCU, your sacrifice means infinitely more than your life".


Xenoslayer2137

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Spiderlander

Bully Feige


NedLeedsCEOofSex

More like piece of shit Feige if this really is the case. I love the guy but if he really were forcing cruel work conditions then I’d judge anyone an asshole for doing that no matter how much I like them. Not saying he personally does this, I don’t know the behind the scenes. Edit: Again, I want to reemphasize that I am not claiming or believe Feige does this. I’m just saying if he did then despite how much I like him I wouldn’t respect it.


MCUFANzzz

CGI is done by multiple companies Marvel Studios is the client hence the ton of leak from that point in production...


The-Mandalorian

Yeah actually Kathleen Kennedy’s team at Lucasfilm (ILM) does a lot of the special effects for Marvel.


soontwobee

Yeah he spends his evenings at the cgi offices around the world personally screaming at and whipping the workers to make them work faster, this is an accurate portrayal of how the world works


NedLeedsCEOofSex

Even with my edit you still don’t understand. Insane how much I have to spell shit out for people on reddit who lack common sense.


soontwobee

Lol no, I get it, it's just that the entire comment is absurd. You don't have to clarify that you don't actually think he does it, the entire concept of Kevin feige personally being the one to grind the cgi department into the ground is absurd because that's not how the distribution of roles in organizations like this work, that's why people are dunking on you.


wasnotherewas

What does grand calculus mean anyway? Calculus reminds me of maths in high school.


Xenoslayer2137

Basically means in the grand scheme of things


wasnotherewas

I get what it means but I have never heard that term before


racas

“Grand calculus” is only used because it’s exactly the kind of archaic phrasing someone like Strange would use.


DizzySignificance491

"Calculus" can just mean a system of calculations - it that approximately means "the sum of all things that matter". In the "grand" (overall, total, all-encompassing) "calculus" (calculation of what matters) of the MCU, the sacrifice matters more than the life. I suspect that "the calculus" came to be shorthand for the system of calculating change and integrating change because it was *so* incredibly useful. It was like rediscovering mathematics to compare having it versus not having it. It made so many things discretely ponderable and can be used for almost everything to enlighten in a new dimension. It's not surprising that it became nearly synonymous with 'doing calculations'


League_Militaire

It's a common phrase for technical people, mathematicians, those ilk especially I think. Not surprised Strange would speak like them since he was a surgeon, and masterfully proficient already. Usually I'd just hear "well, in the grand calculus of things..." but I've also heard substitutes with "universe" or "reality".


DizzySignificance491

Funny, as a chemist I feel like it's something that a philosopher or s political scientist would use I think most hard science specializations have discrete names for things, like saying phase space or Euclidian geometry or whatever theoretical set of ideas actually summarizes the discussion.


League_Militaire

Outside fiction I've only heard it colloquially from a statistician so I figured it was another mannerism liberated off the smart not gay, gay guy from the show they always played on the telly. As a phrase to me it sounds like the kind of thing that'd be pretty run of the mill to anyone whose into comics, fantastical sci-fi or in general.


YallCallMeRussell

You joke, but these poor people are going to be working around the clock and not sleep/ see their families all because this lady looks too much like Shrek after Marvel spent x3 the VFX budget of a normal Marvel streaming show so this specifically didn’t happen.


SuperCoenBros

There's not enough visFX artists to sacrifice: they sacrificed too many already. The entire industry is stretched thin, and it's such a grueling industry that many left it permanently. What we've seen is probably as good as it'll be.


Celestin_Sky

Maybe giving her show first was a bad decision. The bad CGI model would be a less of an issue if it wasn't also her debut.


SuperCoenBros

Hmm I don't think it's the character model tbh. Hulk also looks rough on the beach scenes. I'm spitballing but it feels like lighting: She-Hulk looks best in the dark bar near the end. It's possible they had to cut some lighting passes. (I also feel like the skin is unnaturally smooth, but that may be deliberate: she's a bombshell after all). But yeah I've always thought a Disney+ show would struggle realizing this character (and Kamala, and Falcon).


DizzySignificance491

This is smoothness that's more like"it's 2003 and we can't do subsurface scattering" versus "she has good skin"


Isneezedintomymilk

I realize this is most likely a joke, but given what I know of what crunch does to people across many industries, I don't find the thought of disney demanding a touch up on the cgi being done in just 3 months from the people working on it, that funny. crunch *does* have the ability to ruin, and sometimes even take, lives.


just_another_classic

God, these poor people need a union.


SSJVO

No Way Home was actively being worked on even after it's theater release.


Celestin_Sky

It would be better if movies didn't become like games. "Don't worry about this green screen, we will fix it in Disney+ version."


deekaydubya

Idk, I'm almost in the opposite camp. We saw plenty of bad/unfinished VFX before streaming was a thing. Now every time I see terrible CGI in a D+ show or MCU film I pray they'll eventually fix it - they have no excuse not to. The last episode of Wandavision had some insanely bad shots


eklooo

Whatever it takes


i_pirate_sue_me

>it's not out for 3 months so I'm sure they're polishing things up for that. Literally everytime a new MCU trailer releases now SPOILERS : they don't end up polishing it


Rising-Jay

They do _some_ polishing, it’s just not always present across the board necessarily. Besides what else are they doing in the three months they have left if not that & editing??


avi150

How people forget this I have no idea. It’s literally every trailer for every show / movie.


captain_paolo12

Did you see moon knights truck cgi in episode 1? That was terrible lol


MyMouthisCancerous

Could just be me but honestly it wasn't distracting enough to take me out of the show


yarkcir

Yeah it didn't bother me much, but I'm pretty tolerant of even middling CGI as long as I can tell what's happening on screen.


Ubergoober166

I'm 100% chocking it up to the fact that the show is still in active post production. This was a teaser for a show that doesn't release until August. I fully expect the CGI to not be complete just yet. I'm honestly surprised they gave us so many CGI-heavy shots in the teaser. IMO Hulk and Abomination looked pretty damn good, especially for a TV show. Not to mention the fact that the companies that get outsourced to do trailers tend to get the footage a while I advance. This CGI is likely what it looked like a month or two ago. Even still, it was really only a handful of shots that Jennifer looked a bit off. As of right now I've got no reason to think they won't polish it up before release.


lazydboy

I mean, if you watch it on a phone, ipad for sure. But 65" 4k is a different story..


yarkcir

Lol I do watch these on a 4K 65” TV But I think everyone has different tolerance thresholds for VFX. For me, as long as I’m not sucked out of the story or distracted by it, I’m okay with it.


lazydboy

It also helps if you've never worked in vfx before. When an eye is trained to spot bad vfx, you can never go back. I mean, this the part of reason why Marvel will never win any prestigious vfx award. Award-worthy vfx should be indistinguishable from other real-life elements.


Venom1462

Yeah that honestly didn't bother me but the issue here is that our main character is pretty much fully cg and if they can't get her right then its really going to take us out of the show


charlesfluidsmith

Never noticed it. Seems one or two people did and then it became the cool thing to harp on. Mindless people do mindless things.


Dracoscale

Why do you people assume that just because we noticed it we were completely taken out of the episode and couldn't enjoy it anymore? Shit CGI is just shit CGI and nothing more.


Icy_Prior

Everyone complains about the truck scene CGI, but I honestly didn’t notice it at all. Thought it was perfectly fine till I saw everyone here complaining about it. I’m sure I’d notice it on a rewatch now that it’s been pointed out, but it didn’t stand out as bad on my first watch


ainvayiKAaccount

I didn't know people had problems with Black Panther's CGI until I visited internet.


Icy_Prior

See that complaint I do understand haha. The final fight of Black Panther is imo the worst CGI in the entire MCU, it looks like a video game in a bad way. The rest of the movie is fine, but that last fight is godawful


phred_666

The last fight in Black Panther was a rush job. The VFX crew had only a few weeks to work on it and what you saw in the film wasn’t fully complete. That’s why it looks rough.


lazydboy

I watched it in IMAX and it felt like I was watching a prelude in Xbox. Godawful indeed..


IniMiney

That’s kinda everything in general for me. Like a thing>see that thing is hated online


ainvayiKAaccount

Which one shocked you the most?


Sentry459

Same. It still doesn't stick out to me.


deekaydubya

It's because it looks great in Civil War then turns into a mocap suit painted black in following films


soontwobee

I noticed it but idk, didn't really care since it was a truck and logs lol I will say I appreciated how little of actual Moon Knight we got both because it let us focus on teh character of hte person under the hood but also because most scenes with the suit were so...lifeless and uninspiring. Honestly the Mr Knight suit worked better.


Xenoslayer2137

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deekaydubya

Since the only time they had a practical konshu suit was during the finale, I assumed the design wasn't finalized (or the suit hadn't been manufactured) until filming was nearly finished.


DizzySignificance491

It ight be a TV size thing. I couldn't not notice it. It felt like it had to be deliberate, it was so much of the screen real estate


Spider-Fan77

There's a difference between a character who is CGI for a good chunk of the show, and a truck that's only visible for like 3 seconds.


Alkohal

The logs were worse


FN-1701AgentGodzilla

I’m surprised a lot of people didn’t see anything wrong with that chase scene


DepressedMane

Here’s what Christopher Marc said in response to the cgi https://twitter.com/_christopherm/status/1526687849457893381?s=21&t=mifT32Da1_qO4ZW597BJyQ


0kuslap

This tweet forgets it's a weekly series. So they have 3 months to finish the premiere episode, and 3 months plus 1 week to finish ep 2 and so on, all the way to episode 9, which is 5 months from now. (Of course shave a few weeks off each as a buffer.) Though TBH, I don't think it's going to look any better that it does in this trailer. I don't mind sketch CGI as much as some people.


DeMatador

We anime now


FoxJ100

Breaking News: MAPPA to take over production of She Hulk


DweebNRoll

Would that make marvel fans Otaku? lol


Aaron_Hungwell

Who?


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Christopher Marc.


ericbkillmonger

Yeah that cgi definitely needs some refinement


lazydboy

If it's more comedy less serious, people would be more forgiving. You can always laugh at Jennifer, if you can't laugh *with* Jennifer..


NoobFreakT

Usually with trailers they try to impress us by including the best looking content...


LawStudent4Harambe

Really intrigued about its roughness considering how seamless visions was despite being a pandemic project


soontwobee

Probably same thing as hulk and abomination here: they could reuse the model from the movie which had a much bigger budget. Here htey had to start from scratch


NotBoogey

I mean it looks rough but not awful. If this is what it looks like now, it should hopefully look a lot better in 3 months.


JelliclKitten

Yeah she looks really weird. But I kinda think this is as good as they're gonna go.


KevinAnniPadda

Please also remember that they sent the marketing team footage months ago to make this trailer. This isn't what the fiber product looks like today. It's what it looked like months ago.


bits_of_paper

I thought hulk looked fine but yeah she looked off for some reason.


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MyMouthisCancerous

TIL "a little rough around the edges" = "looks like shit" Also I literally acknowledge the show is some ways out and that gives them time to polish it and make it look better so you're not really countering anything I haven't already acknowledged lmao


ZeroTAReddit

Three months is not a lot of time. It'll look better, but it'll probably still look uncanny.


C0ncentratedAwesome

I honestly think this is about as good as the CGI is gonna get for this show. If there was that much work left to do I don't think they would have released the trailer yet. And with the amount of content they're pumping out now the VFX crews don't have the time.


that_guy2010

I don’t know that they were ready to release this trailer yet. I think the leaked date forced their hand, so to speak.


littlebiped

Wong is in She-Hulk, good to know. Phase Wong going strong


x2040

Looking forward to the Avengers v. X-Men movie just before Secret Wars trilogy ending with a close-up on our Sorceror Supreme... "Something's Wong..." fade to black


PauloHR

Wong did call this the "Wong Phase" of the MCU lol


Cysir

Wong about to bring upon the Age of Morbius ![gif](giphy|4sDxn0FxPG2SN2iF9E|downsized)


LawStudent4Harambe

Wong is the new Nick Fury


hellothere0007

The new Phil Coulson actually


Darraghj12

The first Wong


Blazeauga

Maybe this confirms the Wong Vs Blaze rumor we’ve had for a while.


bigpig1054

Makes sense. They told us a couple years ago the Sorcerer Supreme would be essential going forward


DaHyro

It’d be great if they actually gave Wong some depth instead of shoving him into every project and not developing him on-screen


RickSanchez-C243

No development? Did you not see that scene of him singing a Beyoncé song in the library? That’s all the character development you need and more


Xenoslayer2137

Wong being a member of the Beyhive is peak character development


TheCodFather001

Wong has all the depth he needs and more.


DaHyro

No backstory, no family, nothing. He’s literally just a character they have in place to do the sorcerer supreme duties while they let Strange have the adventures. The only hint of depth was Shang-Chi, but that cameo made 0 sense and was never explained


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Yes. That's all he needs. He's comic relief whilst being a badass that has the chops to deliver his performance in a serious manner as well. If they ever want to do more in terms of character with Wong then they will. For now though he's exactly what he needs to be and people love the character for it.


Xenoslayer2137

So why did they bring Charles Coxsworthy there if they’re not gonna confirm him for she hulk? Edit: so I was looking through some old photos and I uh noticed something very similar…you’re trash Brock


Colton826

Yeah, that was weird. With Cox being there, I expected either: * They reveal that he's in She-Hulk * They reveal that he's in Echo * They announce the Daredevil revival None of those happened, so not sure why Cox was there. Edit: Apparently the photo of Cox at the Disney Upfront event was an edited photo & he wasn't even there. We've been duped! Bamboozled! We've been smeckledorfed!


Rober63

He was not there https://twitter.com/juancruzzef/status/1526681540490514432?s=21&t=rQ9RdSKvVbX4IyWgIWtoHA


BurryagaAgaburry

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NoobFreakT

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ComplexChristian

QuidVacuo posting fake shit?! ![gif](giphy|xUPGcC0R9QjyxkPnS8)


Tornado31619

This is ‘Deborah Ann Woll in No Way Home’ all over again.


HatsAreEssential

That's not even a word and I agree with you!


ainvayiKAaccount

https://youtu.be/6btEQrcKCso


MikeX1000

Echo makes more sense IMO


Rober63

Charlie Cox was not there, you probably saw an edit


Nahim33

I’m pretty sure that picture of him being there is fake


magikarpcatcher

Those photos were fake


Utencils

He wasn’t there that was an edited image lol


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dmh2493

Let’s see that Secret Invasion tease


Rman823

Makes sense She-Hulk is made public, while Secret Invasion isn’t. Given it’s still a while away.


Tornado31619

And, you know, it’s a secret.


just4browse

Even that promo pic of old Nick Fury was classified. There are helicopters circling your home right now


Xenoslayer2137

![gif](giphy|PnwcgZJZ8jdbq)


Joshgallet

Was there a secret invasion tease. I saw Sam Jackson was there for presentation but didn’t see anyone mention they showed footage from SI


Patrick2701

Maybe, after Ms.Marvel


PurpleSpaceNapoleon

![gif](giphy|eKNrUbDJuFuaQ1A37p|downsized)


Marcusj112

Feige knows how to work a crowd. I mean I remember when showed up on the Investors Day Stream, instantly had my attention. It was just She-Hulk's CGI model that looked rough, the physicality of it. I think the CGI on the face was good, they do have 3 months to work on it, pretty sure it will go down to the wire. Pretty much everything else looked good to me, it was smart move having Abomination in Shang- Chi, since they can use that model for the show. And Tatiana looks like she is going to kill it. Also we are getting a new piece of MCU content for 4 months in a row, DS2 this Month, Ms. Marvel in June, Thor 4 in July and now She-Hulk in August. https://twitter.com/MsLizzieHill/status/1526688088646463490?t=Ev87ge7rIDOa3QZxjDnR_Q&s=19 And Lizzie Hill has been saying the oppossite, about the show being a supposed "mess". So I guess we shall have to wait and see.


WarOnThePoor

March/April - Moon Knight May - Dr.Strang MOM June - Ms.Marvel July - Thor Aug/Sep - She-Hulk Oct - Werewolf By Night Nov - Black Panther WF Dec - Disney plus show + Guardians Special We eatin well this year!


343_Chudston

3 months until release doesn’t mean they have 3 more months to work on it


Thedrunner2

The article didn’t really mention what he wowed them with ? Is there a list at least ?


MyMouthisCancerous

If Feige showed anything else outside what's been made public it's probably not getting officially revealed until later, like at D23 or the next Disney+ Day or something like that


Thedrunner2

I saw She Hulk but that’s it thus far and the title made it seem like a big deal unless it just being hyperbolic


nottherealstanlee

It was for sure some hyperbole but the article mentions some secret wars stuff and the Loki confirmation.


jdyake

Lol Wong is in this too?? It really is the Wong Cinematic Universe


macbeezy_

Wong got Dr. Strange on call, Shang-Chi and now She Hulk. He’s assembling something.


TheDonutDevil

Might as well add Spider-Man to that list


macbeezy_

True, although I don’t think we’ll see Spiderman this avenger iteration. We need his soft reboot first.


-rainbow-warrior-

Will be get teases from this or is it locked door?


nottherealstanlee

Probly not gonna get anything else official for a bit. They've got other events to showcase more stuff.


Spider-Fan77

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GuguMarcos

Feige has that Midas effect


ProgressiveThinkerUS

30 minute episodes when it's like 7-8 minutes of credits deflates my hype for this. If I had commercials then I'd be really not looking forward to this.


MrMeseeksLookAtMee

“Where the hell’s the trailer?! I want it now now now!” “Ugh! CGI isn’t perfect! Why did they release this now?”


PermissionChoice

How are we seeing the connection between the main MCU and the TV shows, aside from just Wanda turning evil? We still don't know of any implications from Loki either


energythief

The reason the multiverse exists is because of the events at the Loki finale, and Hawkeye teased a thing that later showed up in NWH. The connections are starting to happen. The seeds are planted and the sprouts are emerging.


0kuslap

Take Loki out of the equation and NWH and DS2 could have still happened the same way. Because, prior to Loki, there's nothing to say the multiverse didn't already exist. Loki is a Schrodinger event.


bbab7

But Loki didn't need to happen at all. They could have just had the multiverse always been open and for people who didn't watch Loki that's probably how they think about it anyway


energythief

But if they didn’t set it up like that, then how can we culminate the Grand Multiverse War in the creation of the Young Avengers and in the finale seal up the fractured multiverse by creating the Sacred Timeline presided over by the as-of-yet-unintroduced Kang variant Iron Lad (aka He Who Remains)? That’s my theory anyway. :)


bbab7

So your theory is basically just a time loop? They could have still done that. Can you expand on what you mean? Idk if I'm understanding your full point


Heckledeckledorkle

We’ll see a lot in Quantumania is my guess


Jarita12

The implications from Loki are that Loki and Sylvie refused to take He who remains place and allowed the timeline to branch and he decided to let it happen. With Sylvie killing him, there was nobody to stop it, so it broke and his variants (Kang) will appear. It is still too soon to say long term but Kang is set to appear in Quantumania so there is a direct cosnequnce as well.


Spider-Cyam

This looks like it's gonna be CGI heavy and sadly to me that means the CGI will have moments that take you out a little. As long as the writing and characters work I'm happy


Jarita12

I wonder if Loki will get more episodes. If anything was of there, then the pacing and it would definitely benefit from two more episodes (while WV could have been shorter, tbh). And will it be just season 2 or any title? I look forward to She-Hulk but the sitcom vibe is not really something for me. I am not too fond of sitcoms (unless it is MASH and it was not really a sitcom from season 3 higher, but more of a dramedy). I hope they won´ t have that US TV speciality fake laugh over it and will go more of Ally McBeal approach where it also crossed drama and comedy. As a 30+ years old woman, however, I am kind of excited for a superhero dealing with normal woman problems. I like how they are now trying to appeal to more audiences so not everything is for everybody.


longrastaman

Yea, I’ve learned to accept filler episodes in anime so I can definitely accept “filler” content from marvel


Wild-Passenger-8314

For General fans who have zero clue on the whole process of CGI behind the scenes, how long would it take for the VFX & CGI to be done in the best way possible if there were no time constraints?


longrastaman

1 to 3 months depending on how booked the big CGI guys are. And since marvel has the money, but only a finite amount dedicated to TV, they have to make adjustments somewhere financially. And I’d take blow on cgi vs the storyline tbh, especially since it’s leading up to something bigger. And the “hit” they supposedly took in the cgi isn’t even that bad tbh. Budgets are budgets and marvel did pretty good with this one despite all the controversies lately


Wild-Passenger-8314

I really hope within the next 5-10 years that there will be more of a demand for VFX artists within the industry.


lolahil

So nine episodes confirmed?


leukemija

When will it start?


Martok_Memes

August 17th.


vinnybawbaw

When is Thor L&T final trailer suposed to drop ? We’re a month and a half away from release.


MasteroChieftan

Honestly of everything coming out, Werewolf by Night, Blade, and more Daredevil is what I'm most excited for. I thought I'd heard Werewolf by Night will be using practical effects too, which is beyond awesome.


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sherm54321

Haha yeah right. Not when you have movies consistently making a lot of money many over $1 billion. The success at the box office is the reason they invest so much in the shows.


TalesToAstonish

Yeah, I feel save the movies for bigger events/budgets or standalone stories.


bravelittletoaster74

When they get tired of making billions of dollars


WolfOfWingStreet

Still pretty bleh on Jameela’s casting for Titania