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Friendless_and_happy

None of this is really happening. The 828ers' minds are all being manipulated by the evil Dr Sanvvi and and her cohort Vance in an effort to take over the world.


hamosexualchicken

Omg I just wrote my comment and then I saw yours 😂😂


hamosexualchicken

If Vance knew from start what happened to the plane and if he is responsible for the whole disappearance.


FunEnthusiasm1465

Angelina is immortal. It sure seems like it right now. She's had to have escaped death ATLEAST 5 times by now. (Honestly hope the Stones gang up on her) Also that Gupta finds out what really happened and is teaming up with Saanvi and Vance for experiments to feed them false info.


TBNSK74

A scene where the whole Stone family kicks the shit out of Angelina would be satisfying as fuck


FunEnthusiasm1465

Absolutely, but Eden or Ben need to get the final blow. That's all I ask of them. I feel like Michaela wouldn't beat her up (although her yelling at Angelina in 4x10 how Ben is a widower could definitely contradict this.) I just think that she used to sympathize with Angelina back when she was troubled and abused. Every single time Angelina called herself "Mommy" with Eden, I was screaming at the TV. Why is nobody talking about in 4x10 when Angelina tries to shoot Ben. Eden was literally in his arms, she could have easily been shot by accident. That was the dumbest thing she has ever done and that's saying something.


Jsza99

I like your theory, but in terms of the last part, i don’t think angelina cares about eden anymore as she says that she realized that she herself is the angel. Also i would love to see eden say “goodbye mommy” with a big grin when angelina gets killed


oneandenough

It would be extremely concerning for a child to witness someone’s death then smile and make a comment that shows satisfaction, especially if that person had been fairly kind to them.


FunEnthusiasm1465

Yes. I would love Eden doing that. I agree about Angelina too. I think the sapphire corrupted her (not literally). But MAYBE the sapphire could physically corrupt her, it’s fused into her hand. That scene made me cringe so hard.


Jsza99

Maybe when eden is older? It seems we will need another time jump to see if the death date is survived


FunEnthusiasm1465

Yes. There is another confirmed time jump. I hope there are Zeke flashbacks.


oneandenough

Olive should be the one to beat up Angelina.


FunEnthusiasm1465

Personally, I hope not. I just don’t see Olive as a violent or hostile person.


oneandenough

You object to Olive, a fellow woman who is around the same size, beating up Angelina but want Eden, a child, or Ben, a man, to do it?


FunEnthusiasm1465

The Eden thing is obviously a joke. As for Olive, I’m not against it happening, I just don’t think it would.


Jsza99

she slammed cal agains the wall


FunEnthusiasm1465

Yeah, but she was still processing everything. Think about all the things that happened that night. Grace died and she wasn’t able to save her, Angelina kidnapped Eden. Cal is back and 5 years older, and Cal let Angelina in the house which caused a chain reaction leading to her mothers death. That is so much grief to go through in ONE day. She was rightfully upset. It’s not like she stabbed him or did any real harm to him. Olive isn’t violent but can be when she needs to.


oneandenough

I rewatched the flashback, and your comment is an exaggeration of what happened.


Kingi8713

'You can't lock me in the closet this time, BITCH!' Then pole axes her with a gold club or something.


[deleted]

Imagine Olive being the last one to take her down and in the Mum style from Orphan, but "You are not me" or whatever


Jsza99

Grandma stone is giving the callings or is involved some how. We never actually see her die, there is no funeral portrayed or anything. They don’t grieve the death very much. Mick spends more time feeling guilty about her friend evie, and Ben really didn’t seem to care at all that his mom died while they were on 828, this isn’t him being a strong person, look at how he completely and utterly fell apart in season 4 as eden was missing. Not to mention the grandmas favorite verse was 8:28, and she came up with this before the plane even went to jamaica. It’s all connected She has to be involved somehow either being in the divine consciousness as she died, or she faked her death like vance did. Just a theory


ThirdStartotheRight

Wait omg I really like this. The idea of her passing and her spirit being part of that divine consciousness!! I think it would be a great way to tie up old story lines.


the3dverse

interesting. i was just thinking about grandma yesterday while reading a comment here about how Olive's lost so much, and grandma wasn't mentioned. they really don't mention her after episode 1 do they?


oneandenough

Most people figure their parents will pass first because they are older. They do not expect their child to pass first. I have heard many times that the loss of a child is another level of pain. More importantly, the insinuation that Ben and Michaela do not care about their mom’s passing is quite out of character. They had a lot to process once their flight landed, and it is not like the Callings gave them a chance to catch their breath. They have mentioned their mom quite a lot throughout the show. Any time they say “all good things,” they are thinking of her. I like the idea that Karen is somehow involved, but I highly doubt she faked her death.


FiveChairs

Saving this for when you turn out to be right 😤


dq689

Or maybe she’s actually a god


CarryOnSupernatural

Cal saw Flight 828 and the storm before everyone during his family vacation in Jamaica, and that’s why he stayed behind with Ben and Mick


kirby_2502

Would you mind elaborating on this? It sounds really interesting and I want to know you think that would play out


CandyshipBattleland6

Ben snapped after Cal died and created an alternate reality in his mind.


TheGR8HoytNerd

Mine is sorta like that. In the fact this is all a mystery novel Ben wrote to honor his dead son.


TomDoniphona

Cal turns evil


Ok-Kangaroo4004

I wonder about that lol. Ben has Cal and Angelina share a weird connection.


MunchingMooBear

Especially with the “your my Moses” thing Angelina has. It seems more plausible that if the apocalypse is the ending he assists her


Whyspire

That the callings were designed to destroy the World, not save anyone.


Jsza99

that’s what adrian believes


Whyspire

He might be right. I mean, think about it. All of the effort they spent with answering the callings, yet Angelina still ends up about to destroy the world. That doesn't seem like a positive outcome, does it?


the3dverse

if they'd have ignored the calling to her she'd still be locked in a basement...


MarvelousRob

Good


Juiceboxie0

That the storm actually brought them to an alternate reality causing a shift between the two realities timelines- one where they crash and die and one where they survived, but they switched realities. The shift in realities is causing the apocalypse and the callings are memories from the other timeline/their alternate selves. When Daly and the other chick got back in the plane it took them to the other reality, and that's where the plane is now. But I'm not sure how they'd tie in all of that in just part 2 😂 and after all the kind of religious and mythological stuff not sure theyd go sci-fi out of the blue.


Desdemona1231

Thanks. That’s my original foggy theory.


ErisStrifeOfHearts

I've always liked the swapped realities theory. I think that would be a really cool twist.


hh_sav_

100% this!!! I love this theory.


Menu99

Sanvi gets her hands on the sapphire, gets drunk on power, kills, attacks and manipulates people to get Ben or the other doctor or both 😂


Jaccat25

Angelina was a real angel all along. Don’t get me wrong that would stink because she’s the worst but that would be shocking.😅


jaceandcathy

Vance works with Gupta to destroy any evidence about 828. Vance is evil. They made Daryl Edwards a series regular, after all. 😀


chloetheestallion

I know it’s not really a plot twist but if Angelina actually dies I’d be shook cause she never seems to die


Enough-Ingenuity-737

That Zeke is alive. Ok that’s my wishful thinking.


shaizafox

Evie didn't die


pyrostrm

“And then Cal woke up”


Jsza99

This would be a twist for sure, but i feel like this is such a cliche twist. I would be really sad if that’s how it ended. Considering the plot twists so far, I don’t think jeff would end it this way


dont_know2345

It’s all Cal’s dream. Let me explain. Cal is seen drawing a few things before they board the plane (flight 828) not the original flight they needed to be on. He falls asleep and dreams this elaborate story of everything we’ve seen. Angelina, Zeke all of it. They hit turbulence, Cal wakes up. But everything goes fine, they land it’s April 7, 2013


Malibucat48

Does he have a snow globe like St. Elsewhere?


OakIslandCurse

Well, he does have a volcano globe!


Malibucat48

Not anymore lol!


MajesticBuddy9462

Lame


brightstarsdarksky

I’d be so pissed if this was all a dream. I feel like that wouldn’t give me any “closure” for the show


GThunderhead

"Adult" Cal is not really Cal but an evil impostor claiming to be Cal.


ErisStrifeOfHearts

Oh shit


TechBoy--20

If Jeff Rake randomly shows up and tells them all they were being filmed the whole time. Then, all the dead characters and the rest of the crew show up and shows them how they were easily fooled. 😂


srslyeffedmind

It’s a fever dream for Cal and he wakes up when they all land still a kid with cancer and none of it was real.


Objective-Ad9800

are you caught up? I don’t wanna spoil you. We kind of know what the callings are now.


nicole1859

What are they?


Objective-Ad9800

It seems like they’re memories. When cal was saving Ben and Eden, he said he knew the bomb wasn’t gonna go off because he remembered. The divine consciousness is a place where you know all the answers, but you forget when you leave. I think the callings are them remembering things in metaphoric ways. Which makes Eden so much more interesting because she has callings and has never been. I don’t think her having them is as simple as genetics. I highly highly doubt that any other passengers can pass them on. I think she’s part of the prophecy as well. Zeke was chosen to save cal, I think Ben was chosen to conceive Eden and guide his son. I have a feeling she’s the key to a LOT of answers!


cam_ross0828

It’d be crazy if she was in the divine consciousness while she was in the womb.


Girlnextdoor_2722

She wasn’t conceived by then how can she be in womb


Girlnextdoor_2722

What if we all are in divine consciousness when we are in womb


Rais_of_Lumos

Actually, that makes a lot of sense spiritually. Where does a soul exist before it inhabits a human vessel?


Girlnextdoor_2722

Some Hindu people believe that babies know everything and can see few things adults cannot but by the time they reach the age of speaking they forget everything


Rais_of_Lumos

I've heard this! I love that


achos-laazov

In Jewish tradition, there is no more prophecy in the world in modern times, except for young children and fools.


nakedm0lerat

Maybe she was actually conceived in Jamaica (why the timings of the conception were a bit rocky with who was the Father) and when Ben went missing so did Eden because they’re connected. Then they all returned at the same time.


Girlnextdoor_2722

Wow that does make sense dude


[deleted]

It's Cal's dream, that's why he's the holy grail. Once everything is done, he wakes up and finds himself stranded in a deserted island and surrounded by dead bodies of the passengers.


ArkyC

Grace isn't dead.


kirby_2502

I don't understand how half the people survived explosions and gunshots and Angelina apparently survived lava but grace died of a stab wound


simplythezest4020

It was all a dream.


MajesticBuddy9462

It would be very disappointing


oneandenough

I do not think that what you wrote would be the biggest plot twist because it has been mentioned in the show many times.


ninjaextraordinaire

purgatory a la Lost.


Shalar79

They’re in The Matrix…j/k


kirby_2502

Olive, after worrying about being alone, sacrifices herself and she comes back and is the angle, key to everything.