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LazyDynamite

The ones that I think are the worst and definitely TIL are the ones where someone claims something they just learned about couldn't have existed prior to them learning about it. For example, someone learning about a tv show that ran for 1-2 seasons 40 years ago isn't a good ME candidate. That's just a TIL. However, being aware of the show, but remembering a different title or lead actor would make a good ME candidate.


SteelRockwell

‘I would have noticed’ is the worst.


LazyDynamite

Yeah, apparently some people think they know everything in the world, and can't reconcile it when they realize they don't.


Vaelocke

Dunning-Kruger effect. When a person a person cant comprehend anything beyond their own limitations.


Dahl_E_Lama

If I had amnesia, I would have remembered it!!


minitaba

Yeah. Also these "tip of my tongue" posts where the posters just cant manage to find the movie or song they think about


Dahl_E_Lama

What about misremembering? I'm old enough to remember when EVERYONE mistook Lee Marvin for James Coburn. Many a time someone would swear the lead actor in *The Dirty Dozen* was James Coburn, or that James Coburn won the Oscar for *Cat Ballou*! Both were Lee Marvin. Edit: Jane Wyatt vs. Jane Wyman is another one. Wyman was the Oscar winner and ex-wife of Ronald Reagan. Wyatt was the actress who played Margaret Anderson on *Father Knows Best.*


LazyDynamite

Misremembering is fair, I think a lot of MEs are the result of that. What I don't like though is when people completely dismiss a post by saying "This isn't an ME, you're just misremembering"


Dahl_E_Lama

For me it depends on the specifics. Like my earlier example, it's one thing to confuse Lee Marvin with James Coburn. They did resemble each other and had similar acting styles. It's quite another when the person doing the misremembering adds "No! It was James Coburn! I remember seeing his name on the credits. It changed! I will die on this mountain! etc."


LazyDynamite

For me, it doesn't matter *why* a person remembers something differently than it actually is, or if they think something truly changed or not. None of that is necessary to discuss MEs, or to determine if something is an ME or not. All that matters is if a well known fact has apparently changed for a large group of people. My main complaint with this sub is people get too hung up on the "cause" instead of the "effect" itself. Whether someone thinks it really changed or they admit to misremembering, I just think it's fun and interesting to know that many people from all walks of life share the same memories that don't align with reality, regardless of the reason.


spO_oks

Aren't all MEs people misremembering?


DukeboxHiro

Applying Occam's Razor it's very obviously the most sensible solution. But this forum is for entertaining discussion of all theories on the possible cause, including the somewhat 'fringe' ones such as quantum immortality, simulation theory, etc.


LazyDynamite

Depends on who you ask. I honestly wish people on this sub didn't focus on the cause so much, it just creates drama.


merlock_ipa

Dazzle camouflage definitely falls in this and there's been a lot of potential ME posts about that


LazyDynamite

Yep, that's a perfect recent example of what I'm talking about!


pixiassbitch

What is TIL


LazyDynamite

"Today I Learned". I believe the initialism comes from the subreddit of the same name. Just a shorthand way to share something interesting you recently learned or figured/found out.


pixiassbitch

Thanks


nelsonwehaveaproblem

> However, being aware of the show, but remembering a different title or lead actor would make a good ME candidate. Why? How do you define a "good candidate"?


DukeboxHiro

Somebody just discovering the show *Joanie Loves Chachi* existed would be a poor example. It was an unpopular spin-off that ran for 1 season. Somebody remembering a different actor in place of Scott Baio would be a better example. It was an actor's breakout role and a popular character.


nelsonwehaveaproblem

So if they don't remember the show at all, it's *not an ME* or *a bad ME*, but if they vaguely remember the show but not who was in it, it's *definitely an ME*, or a *good ME.* is that right?


DukeboxHiro

Hmm, more if they strongly remembered (or claim to) a show, but have a detail incorrect. For example, the Ed McMahon ME. It's a common ME discussed on here - some people strongly remember him as that guy who worked for *Publisher's Clearing House* who would hand out comically large cheques on TV. But he actually worked for their rival, *American Family Publishers* and never did the cheque thing. Yet a lot of people will swear blind he is "that cheque guy".


nelsonwehaveaproblem

Presumably there *was* a guy who was "the cheque guy" though - who was it?


DukeboxHiro

I've no idea tbh, I only know of this one from reading about it on here (and the novelty giant cheque thing being in popular culture).


LazyDynamite

>Why? Because it's kind of like proving a negative. The Mandela Effect is when a well known fact has apparently changed for a large group of people. Going off the example u/dukeboxhiro gave, "Joanie Loves Chachi never existed" isn't a well known fact. Learning about something you didn't know existed isn't an example of something you already knew changing, it's just learning something new. >How do you define a "good candidate"? Something you knew to be true being different than what it actually is. Simply learning about something you didn't previously know doesn't really fit that description.


Neomanderx3

I hate the ones where people learn about a strange animal, then have the audacity to claim it must be an ME. Imagine being so sure about the world to claim to know about every species of animal on the planet.


Dahl_E_Lama

Years ago, 1985, my parents hosted an exchange student from France. He saw a centipede for the first time in his life. All his life, up to then, he thought centipedes were mythical. The only centipedes he knew of were from the Atari arcade game, which was popular in France.


therealquiz

The only intriguing examples of Mandela Effects are ones in which many people share a highly specific and detailed memory of the existence of a widely known thing or feature of a thing and the evidence is that that thing or feature never existed. Those lend themselves to great conversations about why we might have each formed the same false memory or what else might explain the phenomenon.


nelsonwehaveaproblem

> The only intriguing examples of Mandela Effects are ones in which many people share a highly specific and detailed memory of the existence of a widely known thing or feature of a thing and the evidence is that that thing or feature never existed. Could you give an example of that kind of ME?


DukeboxHiro

Fruit of the Loom is a great example of this. Many people remember the logo having a cornucopia (horn-of-plenty basket) behind the fruit, and further recall that they first learned what a cornucopia was (weird word to encounter as a kid) from asking about it specifically after looking at the logo. Ford and VW logos probably also fit this. People who have owned a brand for years remember the logo wrong, despite seeing it frequently.


therealquiz

I do not experience the Fruit Of The Loom Mandela Effect because I have never heard of the brand: I do not believe that it was ever sold where I live. Yet, for the very reason that you gave, I agree that it is the best example of what I meant when I said that there are examples in which many people share a highly specific and detailed memory of the existence of a feature of a widely known thing and the evidence is that that feature never existed.


nelsonwehaveaproblem

A lot of MEs seem to be defined by certain people as "definite" or "strong" MEs based on the number of people who think a particular thing is true, but where are these numbers coming from? How can we know what is "widely believed" by "many people"? How do we judge how "specific" a memory is? None of this looks anything remotely like science, or even a good-faith attempt at science, to me at least.


therealquiz

I agree. If you know or come by any scientific reports on the prevalence of shared false memories please share them.


kaiyinrei

its like they keep trying to find a way to pretend the ME isn't real....


Ok_Regular7293

The FOTL one gets more and more tainted the further out we get. There are countless mock ups, discussions, pop ups/ads for articles about it showing the mock ups etc. that we are basically setting up a subliminal message scenario for people. I think very few “new” realizations of the FOTL ME are clean ones. And it greatly messes with being able to tell the actual prevalence of it.


helic0n3

This is assuming they were *actually* asking about the logo. Seems more likely they were looking at a classical image of a [cornucopia](https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/sites/default/files/styles/convert_webp_article_main_image/public/images/19366/cornucopia.jpg?itok=HlSK55eA) around harvest or Thanksgiving time, which is easily confused with the logo as both contain an arrangement of fruit. There is no "one" cornucopia image (try a google image search) but FOTL is on a lot of clothing.


DukeboxHiro

This is the clear likeliest of scenarios, but still, some people "remember" talking/learning it from their clothes logo. Some have even gone decades interchangably using loom/cornucopia in reference to the basket because of the association.


helic0n3

Yes, some people say "but my teacher taught us what a cornucopia was by using the logo as an example". Except they were making the same assumption too as it is a common and relatable image. Kids won't exactly know of much classical Greek imagery or art inspired by it.


Chunk7891

Thank you! See, I thought FotL logo had a cornucopia, but then I also remember coloring images of cornucopias in school (grades 1-3) around thanksgiving time. The conflation of the two things in my mind seems not only possible, but probable.


RedditThank

It's fascinating how our minds can fabricate detailed images out of whole cloth... weaving together the fibers of our experience seamlessly, spinning out memories, the fruits of our mental loom.


therealquiz

A thing that is widely believed to have existed that in fact did not exist: - a Sinbad genie film titled Shazaam A feature of a thing that is widely believed to have existed that in fact did not exist: - the line “I see white people” in the film Scary Movie


nelsonwehaveaproblem

What is unclear about this is what exactly you mean by "widely believed". Because I don't think *either* of these things is widely believed, but some people apparently do.


DukeboxHiro

Maybe "widely believed" is a bit of an ambiguous term. It probably isn't the majority of people, but enough for it to come up frequently as a topic of discussion here and elsewhere on the net.


therealquiz

I would very much like to read data as to how commonplace these beliefs are. You are right that all we have is anecdotes; my anecdotes are that when asked open, non-leading questions about these topics or, better yet, when these topics come up organically in conversation, people almost always have these two false memories (I accept of course that these people reflect a very limited section of everyone, limited by location, age, interests, and the like).


Haileyrhea

See I vividly remember the promotion for Shazam. I did not make that up out of thin air. No I am not misremembering Shaq. How do you account for the people who remember both movie plots? A movie line misquote? Eh. It could happen. I would never swear to know for sure what a movie line was verbatim.


BOOBOOKITTYYO

I remember both of those things vividly. Those are the ME things that get to me the most.


Haileyrhea

To me it is Stouffer’s Stove Top Stuffing. If it never existed, how come so many people will come up with it without being prompted. Another is Ed McMann being the spokesman for PCH. Vivid memories for a lot of people. Hundreds of pop culture references. Either millions of people created a completely false reality and remember it the exact same or the actual company he now supposedly worked for had the most idiotic advertising department in history. What company would continue to pay millions of dollars for years and years to promote their direct competitor? Oh and the objects in mirror __ closer than they appear. How would millions of people remember the same incorrect word?


nelsonwehaveaproblem

You keep saying that "millions" of people have the same memory but where does that number come from?


nelsonwehaveaproblem

I must have asked this question of a dozen different people making this outlandish claim and every time the answer comes back... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Almost as if it's a bullshit made up number. Weird.


Haileyrhea

Ok, caught me. I made a generalization and did not actually get the official numbers from the Mandela Theory conspiracy theory statistics. I really should have made sure not to accidentally misrepresent how many people remember something while discussing the possibility of alternate realities, multiple timelines, time travelers, the world ending years ago, particle accelerators causing a rip in the time/space continuum, living in a real life matrix and catching glitches, or basically anything that would explain what has caused these tiny shifts in our reality. Sorry, I will try to stick to logical facts in the future. If I can find any


mbd34

Usually with the celebrity death MEs people say that they vividly remember seeing the funeral on TV and/or tributes with other celebrities expressing their grief. I guess it's a bit annoying that "I thought he/she died years ago" threads appear whenever almost any celebrity dies.


lookinforbobo

In my opinion it’s 100%.


SadFaceNoSpace

Eustace from courage the cowardly dog had a shotgun, he shot holes at the floor and into an incorporeal entity one time before screaming like a little girl.


maelidsmayhem

This is a great example of ME for me. When I read your comment, I immediately imagined the old woman in her rocking chair with a rifle. For a second I thought you had it backwards. But then I remembered I've only ever seen one episode of Courage (about 50 times because they played it constantly). The original one from "What a cartoon!". So if there was a rifle, it would have to be in that episode for me. Honestly, I forgot all about it, but as I watched it, my brain corrected itself. I was mistaken. There were no *earthly* firearms. So why did I immediately imagine one in her lap? When they first show her she's holding the dog, maybe my brain rewrote it from somewhere else. I can't say where, but before I found the episode on youtube (here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX6ATD3gFA0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX6ATD3gFA0)) I would have sworn she had a rifle. Now that I've rewatched it, it doesn't make sense for her to have one at all.


SadFaceNoSpace

yeah no, I'm gonna hard nope on that because miriel always had courage in her lap. That was the main theme of the show that miriel was nice to courage and rescued him and eustace was always angsty, broken things, fixed things, and scared the crap out of courage, hence his name.


maelidsmayhem

Yeah read what I said again. I was clearly wrong. I made an easy mistake because "what a cartoon!" ran some 28? years ago, and my brain filled in a gap. I'm not a die hard fan, I just happened to be there for the beginning. It's a good example of how my brain attempts to rewrite things when I remember them. As it does most people. Hence, ME's.


SadFaceNoSpace

Except it's been multiple people that have confirmed eustace had a shotgun, going so far as to all describing it the same way. You're arguing that you remembered something wrong that nobody else remembers is drastically different than multiple people remembering something that cannot be proven. THAT is Mandela Effect. Misrememberings by a single individual is just faulty memory.


maelidsmayhem

Your argument feels off topic. I wasn't saying it was anything else but my memory being wrong. In fact, I never even considered a shotgun in that show until it was mentioned here and my brain tried to add one. If your intention is to be right in saying I'm wrong, then you're right! I admitted I was wrong already. TTBOMK, there was never a gun. My addition to the topic was to illustrate how malleable memory can be. I don't always express it as well as I'd like to, and I don't want to simplify any of it since it leaves too much room for interpretation. What I like to do is follow the thought trail. In this case, I saw Eustace and rifle. My brain said no, if anything, it was grandma had the gun (didn't even know their names till this thread). I looked it up, saw the dog in her lap, and the mystery is now solved for me. But for a moment, I could see her with a rifle in my head, clear as any other memory.


SadFaceNoSpace

Sounds like you've got a pretty flakey memory then. Like you've said, you have barely watched any of the show so I'll chalk it up to just simply not knowing the show at all. Personally speaking I don't watch friends, so if you said there was a black guy with an afro that was comedic relief in that show, I'd probably accept that too. That's not M.E. though. ME's work around memory, not imagination. You activated your imagination to "think up" what you wanted the situation to be, but memories are experiences. It's the exact reason why someone can "feel" like something is wrong, because unlike the brain, the rest of the body cannot "imagine" something, it only experiences. It's the exact same reason I keep arguing muscle memory is a valid source to describe ME's despite everyone else shrugging it off. Muscle Memory requires multiple experiences of something, as well as a length of time for that experience. by comparison, memory only requires an instant and some imagination. One of the things I remember most about eustace's shotgun is that he only used it after his mallet broke/failed.


maelidsmayhem

I admit I have a flakey memory. That's how I arrived here in the first place.


SuperNoob74

Wait what I thought he was


RayneyDayze

What is TIL - sorry.


DukeboxHiro

It's shorthand for *Today I learned...*, it comes from the subreddit of the same name. /r/todayilearned


RayneyDayze

Thank you