By - Klstadt
You know you dont even seen his leg that often right? Its also a small detail you wouldn't be paying attention during a time tv's weren't exactly the best picture. The toys had gold legs, cheaper, and one of the earliest scenes is them walking thru the desert so even tho its silver its reflecting the color of the sand all around them.
I do know that it's seen rarely. Especially (okay, entirely) since it became a thing, and so I started to scrutinize. And like 'berenstein' or whatever it lends itself well to this because, who tf looks?
No one looks, or cares, until they do. And then the 'but it's so minor' aspect is what makes you question, yourself. Which seems to be the objective.
We all mis-remember but we don't do it, identically. (for reference: read multiple eyewitness testimonies of, anything) We all come at things from wildly different places and perspectives, and no one here seems spared, it's fucking with minds globally. So at least by the numbers I personally think, it's something.
> I had all those toys, I had THAT toy.
Some of the old C-3PO toys did have two gold legs, so that doesn’t really mean anything. In fact, it could explain why you remember him that way.
But why did it have two gold legs?
A lot of the older toys had much more noticeable inaccuracies than one of the legs being the wrong color.
They start making toys before the movie even comes out. Much cheaper to make two gold legs.
A lot of people remember Godzilla being green in the movies made from 1954 to 1975. He wasn't. People have bad memories and are influenced by toys and artwork made for posters.
The toy didn't. The pictures absolutely did. I remember a return of the Jedi comic with a photo n the back with his silver leg. I remember things happening differently in return of the Jedi because I read the book more than I watched the film.
Pretty sure this is still a really obvious example of something that just wasn’t picked up by the masses of viewers. And likely, since it was never mentioned in-movie, it’s possible to not realise.
I’m not saying it’s EASY to make the mistake, but it’s definitely possible that most people did.
I, too, only ever viewed him as all-gold. But this was only from memory, based on my viewings of the film.
The images in our heads are not official. So if we’ve neglected to notice something, this image will stay with us (despite being wrong).
On the flip side, if someone had worked on Star Wars graphics their entire life, and had spent countless hours editing photos of the characters, and they too had never noticed the silver - then this would be weirder (IMO).
There isn’t necessarily anything too mysterious about many people misremembering something subtle.
Rewatch star wars again and see how many shots there are where you can actually even SEE his leg clearly enough to tell what color it is, even in HD. It ain't many.
He 100% had a silver leg. I recall noticing it as a child in one of the Star Wars story books they released in the early 80s. Its a subtle detail, easily missed.
That’s how he looked in your simulation server. In ours he was all GOLD BABY!!! 🏆🥇🤖
“Simulation server” you got me weak. 😩😂
It usually looks gold on-screen, for fuck's sake! Silver and gold look similar while in a desert, who'd have thunk it?
Old CRTs and VHS/Super 8 casettes had a bad quality and its hard to see there which makes it very easy to miss
Doesn't explain the experience the cast members had.
Nice attempt though.
>Doesn't explain the experience the cast members had.
Can you explain more about this, please?
C3P0 actor: "on the last day in the desert, he came up to me and said, ‘Tones, why are you wearing a silver leg today?’ And I thought, ‘Huh? A blind cameraman, who knew?”
From this interview:
Any idea why I was downvoted to -3 when neither the camera man nor the actor putting the costume on noticed the leg until the final day of shooting? That clearly flies in the face of 'its just the TV you were watching it on'.
Anyways, the actor gives a much more plausible explanation for the effect than the guy I was replying to.
Still a little bit weird for the actor not to see the legs he's putting on as he's handling them to the same tune as the Jungle Book storyboard artist remembering the specific conversations that lead to Baloo in a coconut bra years before that one became an ME.
So you're agreeing it was always a silver leg? Just one that was easy enough to miss in real life, so it's going to be even easier to miss on ropey VHS quality and small screens?
I didn't downvote you, but I can only imagine that people might have misunderstood what you were saying.
I'm saying the earliest record of a disconnect dates back to when the movie was in production and people were affected while putting on the costume and in the same room which rules out the quality of TV being the only factor that explains everybody's experience.
I could draw additional conclusions like you are asking me to, but any additional conclusions would require inserting unproven assumptions.
Regardless of whether anything unexplained also happened at any point I do think it is safe to conclude that it is easy to miss and at least some people that think they witnessed an unexplained ME were just not noticing a detail due to visual heuristics.
What else can be reasonably concluded?
The evidence shows that C3PO had a silver leg. People involved in the making of the movie confirm this. Some people also admit being surprised that they didn't notice it at first. People who have watched the movie have also registered surprise when it's been pointed out.
C3PO had a silver leg, but it's easy to miss, both in person and watching the movie.
What else is there? This looks as shut a clear-cut case as you could imagine.
I'm the one saying there is nothing else to be concluded.
What additional conclusions do you think are reasonable without introducing assumptions or projecting a bias?
I'm still not sure what you're saying.
My conclusion is that C3PO always had a silver leg.
This is based on looking at and weighing up the evidence. It's also based on my default position that reality doesn't change. If something was a certain way at a particular point of time, then it always was that way at that point of time (at least at the level of costumes worn in movies). Is this something you consider a bias?
It is long held assumptions that we have freedom of choice and reality behaves discretely at the macro level.
I'm agreeing with you that the C3P0 effect is not a reasonable basis for throwing that assumption out.
I am also saying that for those that have had a different experience in another area of their life that makes it reasonable for them to question those assumptions or they decide to throw those assumptions out, the C3P0 effect is not a reasonable basis for reintroducing that assumption without first proving it.
This is one thing I quickly found with a quick Google search. An original cast member (the actor who played C3PO himself) confirming that the character always had a silver leg, but that even other people on the set didn't always notice.
What is it you're referring to?
Didnt know about that, gonna look into it thanks
I’m sure I noticed the silver leg as a kid
>Who's doing this.
George Lucas. Mystery solved!
[https://youtu.be/Sgp--tV69Jw](https://youtu.be/Sgp--tV69Jw) Here's an old Star Wars 1977 Documentary. 1:42 for the first sighting.
okay wow, isn't it interesting how all the shots of C-3PO, end at the knee. lol
I haven't watched the whole thing yet obviously, but. It's kind of, something... omg, this whole thing.
Oh in the earlier shot of when C3P0 was getting his foot prints imprinted in Cement, he had the wrong shins on the wrong feet, the Silver Shin is on the Golden foot and the Golden Shin is on the Silver Foot.
I actually had a toy that did have the silver leg
Oh man, we were kids then! No, I didn't notice his silver leg, but I was 7 or something, I wasn't looking for those details. At least not at that movie.
Most Mandela effects are kid memories, that time in our life when we were barely able to understand what was going on around us, back when our spelling was bad.
Add to it the fact that TV and later the Internet was the historical record for all Mandela effects. Screens don't give you the same reality, they replicate it. Depending on the light in the room, and how good or bad your TV was, you missed stuff. The Internet has been full of trolls from day 1 as well, and people who *think* they know things when they don't.
Mandela effects don't happen in academia, because things are measured and documented in more accurate ways. You won't see a cartographer having trouble with the shape of the continents, or a doctor having trouble with the location of the heart. They've measured these things over and over.
If the Mandela effect was actually happening, you can bet physicists would be studying it, writing papers on it, and anthropologists as well.
But these people aren't experiencing this effect because they are paying attention to the details. Us common folks online saying "I swear, it was a gold leg" doesn't mean anything in a research context, unless there is a quantifiable and measurable difference to record.
We don't employ experts on any of these topics. The propmaster for Star Wars would not be affected, of course, we don't even need to ask. George Lucas has always known about the silver leg, because he wrote it that way. The only "evidence" in this case is "Mary said FOR SURE it has always been that way.."
There is another phenomenon at play here... you are socially influenced by people who sound convincing, and that is a REAL measurable force, and could be calculated by a social psychologist or an anthropologist: the most successful Mandela effects are the ones introduced by people who are good at convincing others.
Sir, kindly refrain from your calm, rational skepticism.
The lion lies down with the lamb. And there is plenty of books cartoons etc with lion not wolf. Dan 7:25 He will intend to change times and laws. That is the devil. We are in that time now. We are not deceived the times and the words are changing. And its been about 10 yrs. The next event will be satan cast out of heaven. Shortly after that the saints will go home and great tribulation shall come on earth. This is my opinion on this subject matter.
Christianity happens because people fear. It's understandable, but practically useless to create a belief in invisible creatures and try to guess what they want or don't want.
But if you believe you have an omnipresent, omnipotent God dude on your side, why worry about anything? Christians always seem to fear the devil, etc, but why, if their God is all powerful?
The devil is the physical embodiment of free will. Christians fear the devil because they fear *themselves*; they fear the human potential that would be released if they unshackled themselves from what Nietzsche calls the master/slave morality. While claiming to abstain from all earthly, natural tendencies (lust, dominance, aggression), Christianity creates “morality” by encouraging weakness in its followers. How convenient for the bishops that their subjects glorify poverty and powerlessness. It makes the Christian populace that much easier to control.
Bravo. Awesome arguments.
I disagree with this
“If the Mandela effect was actually happening, you can bet physicists would be studying it, writing papers on it…”
Any scientist who comes forward showing interest in the ME beyond psychological will lose all credibility.
Credibility is gained through evidence. The craziest research projects get funding, because it's not crazy if you have evidence. Quantum physicists deal in crazy ideas all the time, but I don't know of any who think the Mandela Effect is anything other than a form of entertainment and social manipulation.
Because it's just misremembered details. Not proof of alternate universes and timelines, which is what many people who follow MEs suggest.
I really, really hope the stuff physicists are studying is far more mind-bending than misremembered cereal boxes, otherwise we are in a lot of trouble.
>Any scientist who comes forward showing interest in the ME beyond psychological will lose all credibility.
And why do you think that might be?
They have to hide their theories until they have proof, because of people like you. Hawking admitted he believed in a holographic universe.
"We are not down to a single, unique universe, but our findings imply a significant reduction of the multiverse, to a much smaller range of possible universes," says Hawking.”
CERN and D-Wave admit to trying to tap into parallel universes.
Eventually it will all come out.
Why would they have to hide it?
Either they have a good reason to believe something or they don't.
Why are +they+ convinced. If it's not for good scientific reasons, then it's more like a religious belief.
well. i found this
oooh, and this
I think the scientific community is open to multiple simulation theories.
I noticed his silver leg in 1977.
I first noticed the silver leg on the Star Tours Ride at Disney World, where C3PO stands on a balcony overlooking the line to get on the ride, so you have to look up to see him. The silver leg really stood out and I thought it was a mistake the first time I saw it.
When I got home and watched the movie again I made a point to check and to my surprise, he had a silver leg all along.
I have a Star Wars original calendar. No silver calf.
I have an original and unopened Buena Vista “The Story of Star Wars” vinyl that features 3p0 and R2 on the cover. His right shin and foot are silver. Was released in 1977.
The color variation is subtle, thanks in no small part to it reflecting brown desert tones, but you can see the difference between the two.
Post an image.
Welcome to the Berenstain, Bitch.
For what it's worth I just looked and Wikipedia is with me here. He's shown all-gold.
Yes I know, Wikipedia can be and is, edited at will and by whomever, I know. But I'll take backup where I can get it. 😂
Because that image is taken from Revenge of the Sith, where he is all gold.
Yes, this got me too.
If it had a silver leg people would refer to it as the golden robot with a silver leg.
Yeah, this was the one that made me seriously question my sense of reality. It's like the universe is gaslighting us!
It really is. Honest to god, if you wanted a healthy and well-balanced person to shrivel into madness and self-doubt, this is not a bad approach. lol
Bruh I bought the Blu ray collection this month. He has a gold leg right on the back 🤣
Also the paint they used is iridescent. You can see it change as he moves and the light catches it. This one is totally busted. I planned on making a whole post about my findings from a nearly 100$ movie set
Crazy how the anti Mandela effect comments always come the quickest. Why are these “ppl” watching this sub so closely
The voting system on this sub is compromised as well
I don't see anyone here being "anti-Mandela Effect".
I see a lot of people with reasonable explanations for why you might think that C-3PO is all gold in the OT.
>"If the Mandela effect was actually happening, you can bet physicists would be studying it, writing papers on it, and anthropologists as well."
>"Because it's just misremembered details. Not proof of alternate universes and timelines, which is what many people who follow MEs suggest."
there's a few up there if you look.
Those aren't anti-Mandela Effect. Those are anti-psuedoscientific explanations of the Mandela Effect.
"**If the Mandela effect** ***was actually happening***, you can bet physicists would be studying it, writing papers on it, and anthropologists as well."
The implication is fairly clear that the user sees the lack of study by physicists etc as evidence that the Mandela Effect isn't actually happening. The definition of anti in the Cambridge English Dictionary is 'opposed to or against a particular thing or person'.
The assertion that something isn't happening would suggest someone is opposed to the concept of that thing as they are denying it exists.
Also, not sure how mutli-verse theory that sits alongside the many-worlds discussion within Quantum Physics or the requirement of 10 or 11 spacetime dimensions within string/m-theory could be classed as pseudoscientific either - theoretical physics sure, but pseudoscience? Nah.
But whatever, you read it as you choose to, not a particular hill I feel a huge need to defend either way to be honest.
>"**If the Mandela effect** ***was actually happening***, you can bet physicists would be studying it, writing papers on it, and anthropologists as well."
>The implication is fairly clear that the user sees the lack of study by physicists etc as evidence that the Mandela Effect isn't actually happening. The definition of anti in the Cambridge English Dictionary is 'opposed to or against a particular thing or person'.
>The assertion that something isn't happening would suggest someone is opposed to the concept of that thing as they are denying it exists.
I inferred from OP's quote that they were referring to the supernatural/paranormal explanations "actually happening", as opposed to multiple people remembering the same incorrect thing.
The guy claiming that people in this sub are anti-Mandela Effect is trying to reframe the ME to be synonymous with these "out there" explanations.
>Also, not sure how mutli-verse theory that sits alongside the many-worlds discussion within Quantum Physics or the requirement of 10 or 11 spacetime dimensions within string/m-theory could be classed as pseudoscientific either - theoretical physics sure, but pseudoscience? Nah.
I'm not denying that there may be scientific merit in the Many Worlds theory or that string theory and theoretical physics aren't valid fields of study. I'm saying that using these to back up the theory that people are switching universes and that's why C-3PO now has a silver lower leg is pseudoscientific.
>I inferred from OP's quote that they were referring to the supernatural/paranormal explanations "actually happening", as opposed to multiple people remembering the same incorrect thing.
>The guy claiming that people in this sub are anti-Mandela Effect is trying to reframe the ME to be synonymous with these "out there" explanations.
Not quite sure how you come to either of those conclusions tbh.
Way I see it the quoted OP is explaining why ME isn't a genuine effect but a psychological one citing how it doesn't appear in academia because things are measured and documented in such disciplines before concluding that ME is essentially an artefact of social influence on a mass scale.
DIdn't see anything in the guy claiming there are anti-Mandela Effect people in the sub saying anything other than that either, unless there's some broader context away from this thread where he is reframing the topic - am just a stranger passing through this corner of the internet so that could well be the case.
Dots on a screen being read with a different context I guess.
Easily happens for two people to read the same text and without the context of tone read opposite meanings so either way, I wish you all the best!
A VERY good observation! ... and a good question.
Bro i made a video about the mandela effect and the flip flop cause after was all gold again but before was just the foot silver lol you can just watch the video see for yourself ;) DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE!
Ihave been there friend, this is the one Mandella that really bothers me as I have watched the original trillogy a million times in various forms (VHS,DVD,Bluray) over the years and it was not untill a couple of years ago that his leg was silver.
I still have the original toy that I played with as a kid the weird part is that the leg in question is missing haha. I agree though, there was not a silver leg!
one of his limbs were silver
I seen it when I was around 14 so that would be 11 years ago and remember I said around and I remember the silver leg I always thought it was weird and it weirded me out and I never knew why
I watched all the old movies, video tapes, when I was little. VERY often. My father would have been Eric Foreman’s best friend, if not Eric Foreman himself. I LOVED C3PO, I totally would have noticed the silver leg!
Yup, I also had the toy, and it did NOT have a silver leg.
so many m.e. and probable m.e. that i personally dont even count most as m.e. until it flips back and im sure. so im waiting for his legs to have always been all gold
Tbh, just go to Bing (not Google) and look up images of C-3PO — you’ll see half of them show him as golden all over. 🤷🏻♂️ Guess a lot of people are confused about this.
You make me laugh. I know where I am going. I know who Jesus Yahusha the messiah is. He is both Man and fully God. Who gave His life for me and you. If you only knew who you are. You yes you are made in Gods own image. Not any angel can say that. So who is deceived here.
It was a reply to someone . i put it in the wrong place.
Do you understand that you trivialize your own cause when you're this irrelevant.
I'm seeing in the comments it is actually being said two gold legs were cheaper to make that's why toys had them.
God these trolls are the Limbo champions.
🎵How low can you go, how low can you go.🎵
Or how stupid. Or stupid they think everyone else is. Sheesh.