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When my life changed

When my life changed

SteelRockwell

‘If you haven’t had the carpet of reality pulled out then you haven’t been affected’? What’s with all this gatekeeping bullshit all the time on here at the moment?


TheGreatBatsby

It's absolutely rife on here at the moment unfortunately. First, the so-called believers tried to force the definition of Mandela Effect to be that "reality has changed" rather than the actual "mass misremembering". There's also been a huge push against people's memories/ignorance being the cause. Lots of posts that are very careful as to not state what they believe *is* the cause (because funnily enough, they can't actually back this up), but are always derisive of the "mundane" explanations. Now the new thing seems to be pushing the narrative that "if you believe it's just memory/ignorance, you don't really experience the Effect". It's a shame really, as this sub could be a great place to discuss *why* people remember things a certain way, but that's immediately shut down by people determined to force their pseudoscientific explanations onto things.


SadFaceNoSpace

Question, since when did the term "gatekeepers" equate to "believing in ME's" ? It's always been a term used for people that chalk everything up to misremembering, ie, the gatekeepers are telling you it not an ME you just have lowsy memory... that's where the term came from on here. Why would you assume it's the opposite of what it is?


TheGreatBatsby

Because it isn't a case of "believing in MEs" whatsoever. Everybody here agrees that the Mandela Effect is real, but a certain section of people ("believers") have been trying to tell people that only certain people actually experience the ME, thus gatekeeping.


bitofvenom

Just in another topic: TheGreatBatsby >It is not misremembering. Prove it. >A bunch of people, remembering reality differently from what it actually is. Yeah, that's what misremembering is. I don't think you understand what ME actually is. \-----------Cut---- So..You think its misremembering. You push that idea. Pushing that narrative. It's a shame really.


TheGreatBatsby

>So..You think its misremembering. You push that idea. Pushing that narrative. > >It's a shame really. So you're saying that it ***isn't*** when a group of people share the same incorrect memories? Can you confirm what the Mandela Effect is then please?


bitofvenom

Incorrect memories is your explanation. It's not the definition. The definition of round, isn't a ball. Its your explanation of something that is round, a ball. But it's not the definition. Read the sidebar The Mandela Effect is a GROUP of people realizing they remember things differently than is generally known to be fact. Where do you read 'misremembering' or 'incorrect memories'?


TheGreatBatsby

>The Mandela Effect is a GROUP of people realizing they ***remember things differently than is generally known to be fact.*** > >Where do you read 'misremembering' or 'incorrect memories'? It's called inference. Just because something isn't literally written down, doesn't mean that you can't infer the meaning behind the sentence. So let's look at what I've highlighted above and apply it to an example: * Subjects remember that New Zealand is North East of Australia. * The facts state that New Zealand is South East of Australia. * Compare the memories of these subjects with the facts. * The subjects' memory is incorrect. Or is it more likely that reality (somehow) changed and that New Zealand has moved?


bitofvenom

That's called bias. What is, or isn't more likely isn't part of the definition. It's part of the explanation.


lookinforbobo

A bias towards reality?


bitofvenom

Confirmation bias. Reality cannot changed. It's fixed. Therefore is misremembering. Well. Let's rebrand this sub to 'Today i misremembered' (TIM)'


lookinforbobo

There is really no debate that misremembering is the cause in the vast majority of cases. I’m open to other possibilities but I haven’t seen strong evidence presented for any of the other theories, although I still find them interesting to and extent.


Emilieduchatelet1706

We remember things a certain way because they were that way. You don’t get that because you weren’t affected. You may experience conflicting memories and chalk it up to misremembering - but that doesn’t mean you were affected


TheGreatBatsby

>We remember things a certain way because they were that way. You don’t get that because you weren’t affected. You may experience conflicting memories and chalk it up to misremembering - but that doesn’t mean you were affected What a lovely, welcoming attitude. I didn't realise that you were made CEO of the Mandela Effect and could decide who is and who isn't affected.


Emilieduchatelet1706

Well now you know


bitofvenom

I really don't know. Apparently some people want to hold on the silly notion that it's just misremembering and what to assure people in every topic in the mandela effect that it's a common misstake, misremembering, common misquote, easily to make up by the brain. Too many gatekeepers here, i know. Really bs too, with that same explanation in every single topic. It's getting boring those gatekeepers in here.


SteelRockwell

People can disagree on the cause of it. There’s no problem with that. But saying that people haven’t experienced it unless they have had the very same experience as them (or calling their idea a silly notion) is just childish.


bitofvenom

Agreed, people can disagree on the cause of it. And we can discuss it. On why they could misremembering it. Or why they remember it so clearly. People not experiencing the mandela effect, are not sharing their experience. Hence the name 'mandela effect'. Doesn't change the fact, that if you have experienced it, it is that feeling. Someone is just expressing how they felt. To call that gatekeeping is just childish.


SteelRockwell

Calling it gatekeeping is exactly what it is. There are people trying to redefine what it is because they do not accept people having another explanation as to the cause. That’s the childish element of this. Just some “It’s mine, you can’t have it’ bullshit.


bitofvenom

You mean to say it's misremembering. You can't accept any other explanation than misremembering. "It's mine, you can't have it" bullshit? Definition is: People remembering reality different than that it is currently. Your explanation is misremembering. My explanation is that reality has changed. Look at the sidebar of this sub: The Mandela Effect is a GROUP of people realizing they remember things differently than is generally known to be fact.


SteelRockwell

No, I meant to say what I said. I am not the one trying to tell people they haven’t experienced MEs unless they have had my specific experience. If you see the FotL logo and think it has changed then that’s fine. I am not telling you you haven’t experienced an ME though when you do, am I?


bitofvenom

If you haven't experienced a ME. Its not a ME. Now is it? People experiencing a ME, are in this sub. They are effected by the experience. By a ME. (Yeah, surprising, i know). You experience a ME, when you remember it for a fact. Know it to be true. Anything else you chalk it off as bad memory, ignorance, brainfart (you know, the common explanations 'skeptics' are given). Read the sidebar again. Go on. You can do it. The Mandela Effect is a GROUP of people **realizing** they **remember** things **differently** than is generally known **to be fact.**


SteelRockwell

None of what you said changes anything that I have said. People experience MEs and put it down to misremembering. People experience MEs and put it down to things changing. Both sets of people have experienced it.


bitofvenom

So if someone starts a topic and instead of: ‘If you haven’t had the carpet of reality pulled out then you haven’t been affected’? Says: ‘If you haven’t a bad memory you haven’t been affected’? That would be acceptable? And not being gatekeeping? Someone put it down to misremembering, that is acceptable to you, and not gatekeeping. But someone says that the carpet of reality pulled out, is not acceptable and gatekeeping? That's a double standard you are having.


Emilieduchatelet1706

You have not been affected


SteelRockwell

I have. You just don’t like the explanation I have for it.


broexist

Yeah and neither have you.


Emilieduchatelet1706

Until you realize that there has been actual changes you haven’t been affected. Misremembering isn’t being affected. Being affected means you experienced a true change that supposedly is impossible.


SteelRockwell

That’s not true at all. It’s not for you to say who has or hasn’t experienced it. The Mandela Effect isn’t even about something changing. It’s people remembering things differently to what is known to be fact. If you think things have changed then good for you, but that’s your own interpretation of something.


Emilieduchatelet1706

Listen closely to the distinction - some people have conflicting memories and they say it’s misremembering - that is their experience. But having an experience and being affected are two different things. Misremembering doesn’t “affect” anyone. To be affected you have to have the type of experience that tells you something fundamentally impossible just happened. THAT affects you!


SteelRockwell

You are just making things up now.


babalar7766

i liked the way you explained it. only CERN can cause this. or we have always been a simulation


Emilieduchatelet1706

I think it’s just them looking at it from an outsiders view point and they are not willing to accept that in their eyes something impossible has actually happened. I understand where they are coming from but they are too insistent and simply do not believe any of our stories. Strange.


Emilieduchatelet1706

I stand by what I said.


SteelRockwell

Yeah I didn’t doubt that you would. It’s still bollocks though.


Emilieduchatelet1706

It’s one thing to be interested in the Mandela Effect and have some conflicting memories. And maybe you chalk it up to misremembering. But when someone tells a person that has been truly affected by these changes that they are misremembering - well THEY are the ones that are WAAAAY out of line.


SteelRockwell

‘Truly affected’ hey? Your experience is no more true than someone who puts it down to misremembering.


Emilieduchatelet1706

Actually it is. I know something for a fact. You say your experience is misremembering - well, misremembering isn’t an “experience”. It’s just misremembering. It’d be like someone going to a high school football game and saying they understand the experience of going to the Super Bowl.


SteelRockwell

See you’re doing it again. You’re trying to say your experience of it is more genuine than other people’s. It’s not. If it is misremembering, and a large group of people all misremember the same thing, then that is strange and fascinating all by itself. So no, you don’t know what you think you know.


Emilieduchatelet1706

But what you clearly do not understand is that those of us who have been affected by these changes know that the changes occurred and this is not misremembering. It is YOU who force that narrative on OUR posts that are meant for others who have been affected. But you guys can’t keep your mouths shut and have to post on OUR post your BS explanation that it’s all misremembering. So don’t say we are pushing the narrative. It is you doing so once again on a post that says it is not misremembering. And then you come along and push your narrative in the comments.


SteelRockwell

You don’t know it. It’s a theory you have. Same as mine is. The difference is that you are trying to remove people who don’t share your opinion of what causes MEs. I am not pushing my narrative. I haven’t once said that you are wrong or that you haven’t experienced it properly etc. I am just trying to stop people from this ‘you haven’t experienced it then’ nonsense.


MsPappagiorgio

I think there are people who believe the Mandela Effect is… 1) Caused by logical explanations (memory, misinformation, etc). 2) Caused by some of #1 but also reality changes. So when you are in the #2 camp, it affects your life. My whole perception of reality, people, life/death, and everything I thought I knew has changed. I am extremely affected. Is it possible for your life to be affected due to #1 above? Probably not. Unless maybe you start to think you have Alzheimer’s or a brain function problem.


redname325

But misremembering is totally different than ME. How exactly are you equating? People effected by these are physically and mentally taken aback when feeling this. That’s something different than realizing you misremembered something. I was raised to spell Dilemna with an ‘N’. Although the word has never been spelled that way before. That’s not misremembering to me, that’s something that has fucked with my head. I’m not sure you understand what this is.


bitofvenom

So you are spending your days, going to the christian subs, ufo subs, conspiracy subs and all the other subs calling in every topic that it is 'bollocks' and anyone that disagrees with you gatekeepers. Sounds a bit bollocks spending your days like that. But what ever tickles your fancy, i guess.


SteelRockwell

No that’s not what’s going on here. Want another try at it?


redname325

That’s exactly what’s going on here. You don’t believe it so you are in here saying it’s not real. Sounds like you don’t belong in here.


TheGreatBatsby

He does believe though. He just doesn't believe ***your*** narrow definition of the ME.


redname325

I don’t even have a definition for this. I just know that some ME’s are not due to misremembering. Some are of course. But to say the entire phenomenon is only misremembering is also wrong.


SteelRockwell

You don't know that at all.


redname325

I’m not sure knowing and ME go together. We don’t know exactly what this, which includes just misremembering.


SteelRockwell

No it isn't. Read all of the responses to the OP. I'm not saying the ME is bollocks at all. He got his post completely wrong and you're agreeing with it.


vwibrasivat

Ive never felt so TLDR in my life. I bailed and this might be copy pasta.


DirtyWizard87

Not sure why everyone is so booty tickled over your post. I believe you because I remember many of these vividly. I did not imagine the cornucopia. Don’t listen to them.


XIOTX

Yea I remember LinkdIn too. It really is a wild feeling when something you 100% know to be true hits you. Eventually the novelty fades cus its not very actionable info. I'm still very much thrown by it overall but in the beginning it felt like anticipation of something else happening cus of how profound it is. I hit a wall on trying to figure it out and have just been roaming the plateau since. Well, I've gained some insight that I think is related, but it's too spotty to transcend speculation. I know this is reddit but gotdamn yall mfrs love arguing


Emilieduchatelet1706

I’m kinda there too - I’ve decided to really make an effort to push through and find some clue as to how and why this is happening. Thanks for your response 👍 And I know what you mean about the anticipation of all of this coming to some sort of something because it has to mean something because it really is profound. But it ends up just becoming part of life and less profound and more part of existence. Things change. It just is. Or maybe this is a new phenomenon...


thomasfraney

It's not really belief, you experience it or you don't lol.. I can determine bad memory from crazy epic reality change ( which are now common).. it is what it is, quantum simulation at best... Software developer and speak multiple languages so memory Is no issues lol


PR0G4M3R05

isnt this just a common case of misremembering?


Emilieduchatelet1706

Seriously?


thr0waweigh7

Is there not a TLDR??


qdolobp

Yes seriously. This was a dumb post


MsPappagiorgio

OP—if you don’t already know, Retconned sub is for reality changes. It’s great for those who experienced changes.


Emilieduchatelet1706

Yeah I am in that group. It’s the real thing. Thanks!


Redleader829

Welcome to the Mandela Effect.


bulbcheck

I clearly remember LinkdIn as well. It was the first of the "miss spell it so it stands out and it's cool" companies. If you type in linkdin as a website it will not redirect you. Which means, LinkedIn never used that spelling for their website. If they had, they would have kept it as a redirect. To me this is a clear ME.


Chicawhappa

Weird. My whole life it was LinkedIn, (I too get many emails), but just for a few months this year, it was LinkdIn, which I found really irritating, somehow, and NOW...when I read your post, I googled, and it's back to LinkedIn. So, that's that :)


bitofvenom

You have an anchor memory. Something you know for a fact. So yeah, the feeling of the carpet of reality pulled out, i experienced that too. Took me a long time to recover from it.


Nitrowolf

Anchor memories aren't a thing. It's just something a couple of the regulars here co-opted to make thier loony theories sound more reasonable.


throwaway998i

How many times do I need to shred this garbage take with links to academic articles about episodic memory and autonoetic consciousness? Why do you continue to push the incorrect notion that the brain processes all memory the same way? You're basically denying established neuroscience to feed a debunking narrative. And you're making ALL the skeptics look bad.


Nitrowolf

About as many times as it takes for you to get it through your narcissistic skull that your "interpretation" of your "scientific literature" is so utterly flawed that it's impossible to hold an intelligent conversation with you. Anchor memories aren't a thing. Every link you've ever sent confirms that, you just refuse to actually mentally process what you've read, either that or you just can't comprehend what's actually being written in the papers you link to... so dunno what to tell you, but they simply aren't a thing. Your continued belief in and agenda-pushing for woo-woo "science" and "Changing universes" and "time travel" et al is making EVERYONE in this sub look bad.


throwaway998i

The fact that you rely on ad hominem and hyperbole is readily apparent to everyone here. You know full well that episodic memory is scientifically established, and that it *exactly* applies to the personal accounts we see here everyday. I have no clue why this is a stand you're choosing to make, but it's certainly not doing your credibility any favors.


Nitrowolf

You have no credibility, except with the "woo-woo" crowd with your pseudo-scientific BS you keep pushing. Bring something of substance to the table and we can talk. Until then, you have nothing, credibility or otherwise.


throwaway998i

From what I can tell, you're denying that episodic memory even exists. Is that your position? That episodic memory is pseudoscience?


Nitrowolf

No, "Anchor memories" are pseudo-BS you made up. You use that term for anything and everything to support your baseless claims that memories are concrete and that your memory can't possibly be wrong because they are tied to "anchor memories." Then, when challenged, you claim it's "episodic memory" not "anchor memories" and then go on to just make up facts about episodic memory from whole cloth. Episodic memory does not behave in any of the fashions you attribute to it. It is not a smoking gun that the universe is changing around you. It is not the bedrock from which memories can be considered reliable. It does not confer special treatment within the brain for other memories that might or might not be related to it. The one and only thing it does is allow you to recreate (notice I did not say "remember") related memories which, in fact, completely debases your entire position. Your brain fills in facts around those episodic memories to align with what you do remember. It's not a fax machine or copy machine making exact duplicates. Episodic memories help your brain fill in the blanks that would otherwise be void. Those blanks are often wrong or at least have details missing or altered, which is, fundamentally, what the Mandela Effect is, in a nutshell. Your entire premise, if you actually read and UNDERSTAND the science behind it, completely and utterly destroys your argument that somehow episodic memory is the holy grail of proving that the ME is anything but bad memory. THAT is the problem. That's why you have no credibility. That is why it's pointless to argue with you, because you just make up your substantiations and your "evidence" is very obviously your complete misunderstanding on how memory actually works.


Emilieduchatelet1706

Nitro wolf you are in the wrong group.


jvp180

I think if something like *this* changed your life, you need to re-evaluate your life a bit.


janesix

Very good post. I agree.


amdmejejd

how long did it take for you to understand quantum physics? i assume a few years but i'm willing to make the effort too if you give me the general time line


b1gstonks

How much adderall did you take?


qdolobp

Hahahahhaa I’m sorry, but I just can’t. You really thought “have I died?” Because you misremembered how LinkedIn was spelled? Holy shit dude. And “there’s no way I can explain it to you if you haven’t been affected”. You don’t have to explain it. Literally every person I’ve ever spoken to has thought one of the popular ones was wrong. Whether that’s the bearenstein bears, the monopoly monocle, the Ford logo, chic fil a, you name it. You’re not some special guy for experiencing this. It’s been debunked dozens of times. You didn’t shift realities. Your brain had a brain fart. That’s all. Holy hell, all this for... that? “When I got into quantum physics”. You mean when you watched 5 YouTube videos on it. Take it from someone who actually took physics in college (major turned minor), you, nor I, nor anyone understands quantum physics. Even the smartest people on it admit fully to not knowing the first thing about it. So when I see someone pretend they know even the most basic of shit about it I can’t help but cringe.


mistress_alexa

Tldr


Cullen247

Well that was an unbelievably long post


EverythingZen19

Now even close minded disrespectful types are jumping on board and "realizing" the truth. What is the rest of your issues? My default answer to that question is EGO.


qdolobp

“The truth”. Wow, reality shifted and left a book title changed! Reality shifted and the monopoly man isn’t wearing a monocle! Wow! The truth unveiled!!!


Exoticfeeteyecandy

I’m just discovering now that LinkdIn has changed to LinkedIn. I SWEAR it used to be LinkdIn and it annoyed me because it made it difficult to read or pronounce. I even remember the first time I came across LinkdIn!! There was some sort of small conference/lecture about it at my university and me and a friend attended it. It was maybe about 8-7 years ago. That’s not some misremembering him, I AM SURE. The way it was spelt actually bothered me!!! What the f*ck!!


Emilieduchatelet1706

Things are changing. The answer involves the wave function.