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bigt1238

As a high school teacher, I extend a lot of grace to my students, but I have my limits because, at some point, they will take advantage of my leniency. It’s also important to instill a sense of responsibility and personal acceptance of the consequences for not doing what the are supposed to. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, and my students know this as well.


2-S0CKS

Yepp, I dont have the time to make 5 different tests because that kid that doesnt pay attention, makes any effort and disturbed my classes wants to redo a test, again. He can fail. Sure, if you need people to weld right you let them redo it, but I'm not teaching welding to people who want to become a welder. I'm trying to see what the level of kids is before they move on. If they suck at my course they should just not pick it as their line of work. Teaching highschool is as much about teaching kids basic knowledge, responsibility and work ethic as it is about letting them discover what they do or do not have passion for.


Mr_Smith_411

In my experience, the hundreds of teachers I work with, just about all extend grace and empathy. This teacher is not a unicorn. I do not say that to take away from her, but not saying it takes away from the majority who all do the same things. I am not a teacher, but my thought is how do you move children along in a PUBLIC, group, educational system without deadlines? Teachers have a plan, there's milestones, and if they want to get through the material in a school year, deadlines are, so sadly, necessary. Even this teacher has a deadline.. The end of the year. Just my thought.


Az0riusMCBlox

Also, many schools in the U.S. overdo it with homework. Even if each teacher believes they're assigning a reasonable amount, that amount potentially multiplied by all classes any student has is bound to overwhelm a lot of them. ^(I hardly even) *^(did)* ^(homework when I got to high school. Partly because I was distracted by the then-novelty of an electronic device that was effectively mine to use, but partly because it felt like there was so much busywork that I could rarely be arsed to do it. Quizzes, tests, and the occasional class participation basically carried my grades. Pretty much the only school-related things I ended up doing at home was guitar practice/tests and the occasional school project.)


Sam-I-Am-123

Aa a teacher i wonder if she is making a new test for the kids retaking it, every time?


loverlyone

My son had a teacher in third grade who expected students to barter points (from her classroom token economy) for using the bathroom during class time. I was furious and asked her if she had to pay the principal every time she took a bathroom break? She just stared at me like I was insane.


Akira1971

I've never had a teacher leave DURING CLASS TIME for a bathroom break. Between morning/afternoon recess and lunchtime, there's plenty of time to go.


HedgeWitch1994

Kids don't have as great control of their bladders as adults, and kids with ADHD sometimes dont get signals from their body telling them they need to go. So I sincerely hope you aren't suggesting that kids (and teens, who may unexpectedly get their period during class), shouldn't be allowed the bathroom during class?


Alie_writes

Deadlines and single attempts are what made me hate painting, something I used to do because I found it relaxing and fun. I didn’t pick up a brush and canvas for seven years because I felt stressed when I tried. I had taken art as an elective because I was thinking it would be a nice break from my rigorous classes. Nope! Thanks school!


QuicksilverChaos

Have you tried digital art? I get stressed out when it feels like I only have "one chance" with the canvas but digitally I have the undo button along with limitless canvases.


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tinyNorman

But your real-world deadline doesn’t relieve you of the responsibility to finish the work, and deliver a complete, correct result. That was the biggest shock to me after leaving uni — the realisation that there is no “end of semester, wipe the slate clean and move on” moment in real life. I delivered a software product with a substantial flaw that I didn’t find until I went in the field to install it. I had to deal with upset customer, boss’s displeasure, and time and budget overruns, but I still had to fix/finish it correctly. School hardly ever prepares you for this reality.


mpbarry37

Good point


tchnmusic

There are (in actual practice) due dates, it’s just that it’s at the end of the grading period.


jaywaykil

The only time grades actually count for anything starts in 9th grade. Before then grades don't really matter, other than as one of many metrics used to determine if you have advanced enough to go to the next grade. The only deadline should be the end of the year, semester, or whichever time is the transition to a new topic. From K through 6th it's about leaning core basics. It's *far* more important learn core math fundamentals than it is to get a C and move without understanding. My son's in 6th grade and is still in the "redo until right" grades. Upper middle school (7th & 8th) is the *transition* to more adult learning styles, time management, etc.


ladeedah1988

They teach you how to handle the pressure of grades.


grease_munky3

"redo until right" I wish my.kids school practiced that, their grades mattered way to much starting around 2nd and they actually talked about failing my daughter one year


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jaywaykil

Well, yes. Extremism is bad in almost all things.


OhioMegi

I let my students redo things- maybe 2 of them ever redo it.


OhioMegi

I’m a teacher. I’m pretty lenient but there have to be some boundaries/deadlines. You do have to take tests and pass them to keep some jobs. They won’t keep you forever if you fail them. You have to have work done at a certain time. So it should be somewhat flexible, but you need to know expectations first.


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Maddie215

There are reasons the USA is ranked so low internationally in education.


alebotson

Wow, did not expect the comments to get so toxic here.


forceEndure

It's not toxic to discuss differing viewpoints, right?


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Yeah, but as a welder, shitty welds get you fired. Your schooling should prepare you for that. Your first weld won’t be good, but you get good before the certification bodies come around. And that requires practice and discipline. And more practice. And more discipline.


Ashleyyryann

I love this so much. I wish my education had been like this.


Gay_Child_

My 9th grade science teacher did Kahoots instead of quizzes! We didn’t have a single quiz or test that semester. He did it because kahoots give him a good understanding of what the whole class knows, without putting unnecessary pressure on us and without knowing who knows/doesn’t know what!


florida-karma

My 8th grade Algebra teacher got off announcing to the class whichever kids failed the most recent test. If we changed the testing procedures how else would cruel teachers fill the holes in their empty petty souls?


ladeedah1988

Kids need to learn how to be responsible. This is irresponsible.


SilentOccasion

She probably established boundaries


123TEKKNO

In fifth grade though? Can't they be kids and not WORRY about grades until at least 7th? They still have to pass, they just get more chances. What's the benefit of a fifth grader being failed? If you weigh it agains the benefit of said kid getting some extra time to actually learn things? Imagine they fail, and then gets behind because they didn't learn the basics, what harm would it do to give that kid a chance to actually redo the test and have a chance to LEARN the shit instead of getting behind and lose interest in school? They still get prepared. We've had this system in Sweden for as long as I can remember. Don't know how it is these days since I'm not exactly school aged and haven't been in a while, but it would surprise me enormously if kids grades would matter that fucking much before they start 7th grade, that they didn't even get a chance to actually LEARN the shit they are supposed to learn while still being excited to learn. EDIT: What I'm saying is; failing a young kid could devastate their entire outlook on learning. They should be excited to go to school for as long as possible.


AgentRevolutionary99

Good luck retaking that test in geometry when the class has moved on to arithmetic. Or retaking a French test on foods when the teacher has moved on to teaching about rooms of a house for the past week There's a reason why tests are final. Teachers and kids don't do well when they fall behind. Homework and assignments are where the kid is supposed to make mistakes and learn from them in order to do well on the final test. It's like the practice welding the other poster mentioned. The other usual practice is to test kids more than once in a class so you get a feel for the students' aptitude and not because they lucked out in one assignment. Or so that if a kid bombs a particular test, it won't hurt their average too much.


shaodyn

At the same time, kids often get left behind by the one-try policy. If one kid is still stuck on geometry, then learning the arithmetic is just going to leave a hole in his knowledge. Then, when he inevitably moves up to the next grade, he'll be stuck. "How do I do this geometry thing? They didn't give me enough help to really understand it."


AgentRevolutionary99

That's when the parents need to hire a tutor for the kid to help him not fall behind. Classrooms are not meant for children to be catered to individually.


123TEKKNO

Isn't that exactly what the schools job is? To teach children? ALL children? If a teacher can't be bothered with helping their fifth graders pass (wich OP's original post was about, fifth graders) then I really don't get why the hell they work as a teacher at all. It's the same for all grades, really (but done in some different manner when kids become older)


AgentRevolutionary99

There is a reason 20+ kids of the same age are put in one classroom. It is so the teacher can teach many kids the same information at the same time. Regular classrooms are not set up so kids can be tutored. I realize what I'm saying sounds harsh but it is the reality. Of course, teachers are human and realize stuff happens. I'm just pointing out that expecting teachers to act like tutors is not realistic, and it makes the classroom chaotic.


123TEKKNO

Not talking about tutoring, just following up on what the kids seem to get and doesn't. And if one or two kids are getting behind, then why wouldn't they get some extra attention or help from the teacher?


AgentRevolutionary99

You are talking about tutoring. You're asking the classroom teacher to individually assess what a child knows and then set the pace of the lessons to that child.


123TEKKNO

No you don't get me. If they see that a kid have fallen behind on a test, then they obviously should help that kid unnderstand what's been taught to the rest of the class. I'm not saying "set the pace of the lesson to that child" I'm saying; give them a little extra help, and a new chance to not fail that test.


AgentRevolutionary99

Multiplied by 20+ other kids in the class? And what are the other students supposed to be doing when the teacher is giving that student a little extra help and some additional lessons?


123TEKKNO

When did I mention additional lessons? I mean that the teacher could simply ask what it is the kid doesn't get, then give the kid some extra homework and ideas on what to study so that kid doesn't have to fail. This isn't anything unusual, you know.


Mr_Smith_411

Dear IRS, I was sick on April 15th and therefore think I shouldn't be charged any late penalties for my late filing. Dear IRS, I filed the 1040x to amend my taxes. Why is there still penalties and interest due?


Mcayenne

I mean I don’t know about the IRS but Revenue Canada will work with you to create a payment plan if you are late or can’t pay on time…


Mr_Smith_411

So will the IRS, but your paying penalties and fees.


Mcayenne

Ah i know the CRA is pretty forgiving and reasonable as long as you are proactive.


Mr_Smith_411

And if your not?


Mcayenne

Then you may pay very reasonable interest rates. Although I know some people who had them forgiven years later by creating a plan and sticking to it. My point was that if you take responsibility for mistakes most people/ institutions are willing to work with you.


Mr_Smith_411

Right, but you pay. There's a consequence.


Mcayenne

You may have to pay but often it is forgiven if you hold up your end of the agreement.


Mr_Smith_411

Dude, your point is what?


Mcayenne

See above. If you take responsibilities for your mistakes consequences can be avoided or mitigated.


Ashleyyryann

Oh where did you learn to do your taxes? High school or middle school?


Mr_Smith_411

Not sure I understand why you're asking, but it doesn't matter, the tax codes, deductions, etc have changed so much in over 30 years anything I was taught would be pretty outdated now. Learning is a lifelong process, don't rely on school so much. Do you really want a govt controlled curriculum deciding how to teach you to pay them? Consider it. Edit: I learned my first line of computer code on a punch card. How much do you figure that matters now?


Ashleyyryann

I guess that joke didn’t land.


Mr_Smith_411

Nope, sorry. I guess the point I was trying to illustrate didn't either.


fitt4life

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PraiseTheSun90283

Lol no. Those kids are going to grow up coddled and unprepared.


daveost

Let me show this to my Russian mom and see what she thinks


Puzzleheaded-Plenty1

I don't see this going well for society. Should we punish failure? No. But telling someone their 50 word essay on history is as good as someone else's 5000 word essay isn't going to bode well for work ethic of students. When did expecting students to put in effort and learn something become a thing that is shamed?


Oldass_Millennial

That's not what the grading policy was. They aren't handing out A's, assignments and quizzes need to be redone, implying there are bad grades. To get an A that you didn't get requires more work, you need to redo an assignment to be eligible to obtain one.


skidoo1032

My high school welding teacher had a policy where he only graded assignments A's you had a list of skills to master by the end of the semester. Either you did it, or you tried again until you did. He was kind of a lazy ass otherwise and pretty much made the best student teach the class, but I did like his grading policy.


LookOverThereDuder

Show me you’ve learned the skill or knowledge. That’s the most important part. …also, most don’t follow through with retakes so I give the opportunity but my students aren’t racing to give me any extra regrading work.


mpbarry37

They make good arguments, though time management and deadlines are also skills that are good to learn. I learned them more in high school than I did at university tbh


chinchenping

When i was at uni for 3D CGI, tests were timed, because that's how it is in professional world, but they were also "open book", anything was fair game, your notes, internet, asking your mate, a chick even phoned her BF who was already a pro CGI artist. The teacher did tell her to get out of the class and come back when she was done, hilarity ensued.


TheBeePrincess

I love this so much. Kids have always been put under too much pressure in school. We need more teachers like this one.


badboydarth

It's important to understand loss in some way to understand what succeeding actually means.


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My calculus teacher had milestone quizzes. Basically they were a few questions on algebra, or trig, or some other math that he considered fundamental to understanding calculus. You could take the tests as many times as you needed to, but you needed to get 100% on every one of those quizzes or he would fail you. I would love to see more of this in schools. You need to get 100% or you fail, but you're welcome to have as many attempts as you need.