By - ForFuchsAke
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> When I said that the US was the second largest exporter of talent from the Americas to Europe, I did not mean it lightly. The Argentine league NO longer competes with #MLS and this year it has even beaten Brasileirao (occasionally imo). This is going to become common with the USA
> And it is also very remarkable that the Canadian PL has exported 16 players this year. A league with only four years of history behind it, and with a pandemic in between, exported more to Europe than more traditional and powerful leagues (Uruguay, Colombia, Mexico).
More evidence for why mls is attracting young talent. Wouldn’t be too outrageous to say mls will be the top league in the Americas at the end of this decade if they decide to spend more.
If there's one thing I want to see if the Club World Cup actually happens, I want to see the Sounders (or the other MLS team if the US ends up hosting) play against the Asian team that qualifies.
And hopefully win in convincing fashion. Ideally that will help finally get the pipeline to open for Asian players into the league.
If MLS can be a destination for young players from the Americas, no reason why it can't for Asia as well.
I would love to see more players from Korea and Japan pick a west coast MLS team to jump into.
that would be hype as hell. I want this league to be far and away the most diverse league in the world.
MLS is already a top league in the America’s. Only Liga MX, Serie A and the Argentinian league are better than MLS in North and South America and honestly there’s not much separating us from Mexico and Argentina at this point.
I'm not even sure if Argentina is still ahead after mls bought so many of their players. Boca and river are still powerhouses obv but I feel like mls has caught or surpassed the rest of the league
People always think about the top teams when they think about another league... Boca and River are not exactly the average team in Argentina.
Based on what?
At this point I think it's quite literally every metric
Why are free agents counted in this? That’s not how transfers work lol. A free agent is not tied to any league. Filter out free summer transfers to European leagues and you’re left with:
21 for Brazil
13 for MLS
12 for Argentina
And for the 21/22 season:
29 for Brazil
17 for MLS
16 for Argentina
It relates to leagues/countries producing talent. His ultimately point wasn’t to be like “this country had most outgoing transfers” but instead “this country has developed and helped X amount of players get to Europe.”
USA is now *thee* stepping stone for soccer in the Western Hemisphere. He’s highlighted that both Argentina and Brazil have been surpassed in this regard.
Not in terms of talent as obviously USMNT isn’t on Brazil or Argentina level, but the overall amount of players moving to Europe.
It’s why so many young players within Western Hemisphere are moving to MLS because they know it’s a massive stepping stone and also quality of play is good.
But that simply isn’t true - it seems like the consensus here is that any move to Europe is good, regardless of the league of destination.
Go take a look at transfers from MLS to Europe in the last year. There is a huge amount of transfers to second/third division and obscure leagues.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but surely you don’t believe that these leagues are above the level of the top leagues in the Americas (Brazil, Argentina, MLS, Mexico).
Obviously no, someone moving to a “second/third or obscure leagues” isn’t inherently better than top level in MLS, Brazil, or Argentina.
But I’ll answer your question with a question - Do all outgoing transfers from Brazil and Argentina go to a league above Brasileiro Serie A or Primera Division?
You act like most of outgoing transfers are going to National League South in England.
But ultimately, players want to be in Europe. The best teams and talent in the world are in Europe. Outside of the top 2-3 teams in Argentina or Brazil that regularly feature in Club World Cup, have tremendous resources and facilities, and the money to pay players well and keep their best players.
But the point is that you and the person who posted this are making the argument that MLS is the top league in the western hemisphere simply based on the number of transfers to Europe, regardless of the league of destination.
Here is the breakdown for summer transfers to top 10 European leagues:
MLS (10 transfers)
- 2 Premier League
- 1 La Liga
- 3 Ligue 1
- 4 Eredivisie
Brazil (22 transfers)
- 2 Premier League
- 4 La Liga
- 1 Ligue 1
- 1 Eredivisie
- 9 Liga Portugal
- 5 Russian Premier Liga
Argentina (14 transfers)
- 3 La Liga
- 1 Ligue 1
- 2 Liga Portugal
- 1 Eredivisie
- 1 Scottish Premiership
- 5 Russian Premier Liga
- 1 Austrian Bundesliga
Russian leagues are playing?
>There is a huge amount of transfers to second/third division and obscure leagues.
The same is true of Argentina and Brazil.
Ecuador talent level is at an all time high. So many good young players making moves. Exciting times.
Shouldn't the MLS number be the dual flags of the US and Canada? Shouldn't that MLS number then count towards Canadian transfers...or, is it that those transferred were from US-based MLS teams only?
Yeah it's confusing, makes it seem like it's 72 Americans that went to Europe from MLS
Or at least 72 players from the American-based teams.
Agreed. For all we know a South American country had more transfers than Canada.
Condensing it by country puts a finer point on it. 101 from the USA, 67 from Brazil, 37 from Argentina, 16 from Canada. That makes Canada's rise even more clear, and it makes it clear that the USA is THE development powerhouse of the Americas. We'll see if this continue year after year, but...that's huge.
He didn't include the Brazilian or Argentine 2nd divisions in his list, but I assume they each sent a few guys to Europe. So I don't think we can actually lump in the USL total alongside MLS unless we confirm how many folks moved from the second divisions of other countries too.
Hmm great point - I assumed that he would have included them if they were relevant, but I guess that's not a great assumption. I kinda suspect USL has more transfers than Brazilian/Argentine 2nd divisions (largely because USL has a shockingly high number listed), but I'll try to confirm that.
Is there enough to make a difference though. USL was still the 4th top league so I think it applies.
I wish this entire discussion would say MLS rather than "🇺🇸" etc. makes it seem like Canada isn't involved in those MLS numbers, and makes Canada's contribution seem lower at just 16
Indeed but really it isn't important. It doesn't change the fact MLS is on the rise.
Increasingly, if you're from the Americas and you need a stepping stone to Europe, you go to MLS.
Or to USL, which is also 4th on that list
Really cool to have 2 American domestic leagues producing/ developing/ exporting so much talent
Makes sense, it's easier to get play time and noticed as a young player in USL vs MLS. The same thing happens with college athletes. They go to a lower ranked school and league so they can stand out to the pro scouts.
What is the definition of “Europe” here? The top 5 leagues? Any league? Any division in any league? I think that can make a huge difference when comparing.
can tell you for certain the MLS has not sent 72 players to top 5 leagues the past year lol
think it’s just what he said it was - Europe as a whole
Because it would still be the league they were coming from. Its not like the free agents just took a year off.