By - NottyScaughty
Kelyn Rowe says goodbye to his friend Brad :'(
Wow. The Sounders freeing up Smith's cap hit and getting some funny money would be huge, and with Nouhou and Medranda already on the roster it wouldn't be difficult to fill the hole. And DC has Garberbucks to spare and would be getting a guy who, when he's in form, is an absolute menace going forward.
Seems like a good deal for both teams.
Only concern if this move goes through is whether or not Nouhou has been getting offers due to his performances and exposure from AFCON.
Not much time left in the transfer window for Europe, but I wouldn't dismiss it entirely.
If he goes too, we should have a good chunk to secure a replacement, no? Garth likes making moves in the summer anyway.
Nouhou isn't a homegrown so it wouldn't be trivial to do since the Garberbuck conversion wouldn't be great. But it is possible. Still we have Medranda and then sign Villeneva on a homegrown to fill in and we'd be decent.
> Nouhou isn't a homegrown so it wouldn't be trivial to do since the Garberbuck conversion wouldn't be great.
For the transfer of a non-homegrown, non-U22 player, the team gets 95% of the transfer fee (as opposed to 100% for the aforementioned categories).
Any fee of more than $1.11 million means we get maximum allocation for Nouhou.
E: I suck at math. Fixed the number.
I know at one point there were rumors of ~5 million, so I feel good about getting the max for him if he leaves (God forbid)
Oooohhh...nice. I didn't know that
This is an example of the rules just being frustrating. It's nice that teams now get the total transfer fee and a bigger percentage of non-HG's. That change was progress. Why have there be categories over a measly five percent? It just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. You sell a player, you get the whole transfer fee. Simple.
Their salary comes from the league, for one.
The league pays for HG's? Yes. Probably about half the transfers fees go to HG's. Then some players might be DP's or have transfer fees paid by teams. MLS had just under 90 million in outgoing transfer fees according to transfermarkt last year. That five percent is about a couple of million dollars.
You could argue either way that a couple.million dollars a year is or isn't a lot to the league.
WCQ year actually helps us out a bit - I wouldn't expect him to move before the summer given he has access to CCL with Sounders and a move to anywhere on the European calendar would definitely result in some downtime for him if he moved before the summer. (WCQ players don't want to drop out of form)
That gives Garth plenty of time - and Medranda is still a beast
What position is Nouhou playing for Cameroon? Is he starting at AFCON?
Yes, he's played every game at left back in a four back system
I'm not disagreeing with any of this - but for what it's worth Medranda's issues is not quality its availability. He is a beast *when he plays*
if this move is basically doubling down on nouhou for whatever improved deal garth is gonna try to throw at him, dunno if it works. nouhou will likely have europe offers.
if it were me, i wouldve cashed in on nouhou in summer and stuck with smith. but im just a dog drinking coffee at a computer right now.
yeah that doesnt really make sense. jeremiah loves to be twitter contrarian for fun.
This… is very interesting. I’m totally fine with letting Smith go for Garber Bucks, but I’d like to know that we have a backup for Medranda at that position, assuming we play things similarly to the way we did last year… which we apparently aren’t.
I hope DC is really excited to see him dribble the ball up the sideline only for him to inexplicably stop and turn to cycle the ball back…
I think we're going to 4-2-3-1 this year so it's probably Nouhou and Medranda as the main LB options.
Smith was unfairly hated on at times (like his buddy Rowe) last year. He didn't live up to his paycheck and Seattle is three deep so it makes sense to flip him for GAM.
Cycle the ball back, poor crosses, I hear y'all. The most infuriating Smith pass is his patented cooked pullback splitting the difference between runners in the box. A thing of beauty.
You guys are going back to the 4-3-3 this year according to Schmetzer. Nouhou will be the starter there with Medranda as the backup. This move makes sense because Seattle could use another winger and centerback but they probably have less than 300k in total cap space left. I thought they’d trade one of their international spots but freeing up Smiths 500k+ salary and getting GAM is probably better.
Trading Smith makes sense because he's the third-choice left back and it's downright silly to have an Australian international on TAM money that far down the depth chart.
But I doubt we add anyone to fill his roster spot at this point. I think something similar to [this](https://lineupbuilder.com/football/?sk=my56) is probably close to our depth chart heading into the year. There's just not any spot I'd point to and say "yeah, we clearly want more depth there before the year starts."
I suspect we just sit on Smith's cap space, roster spot, and international spot until the summer window. That'd give us some nice flexibility - especially since we'd only be paying any summer additions for half of 2022, so their cap hit for this year would also be correspondingly lower. Wait and find out where we *actually* need reinforcements, then fill those holes.
While I agree that you have a solid roster I think this move and potentially selling an international spot will be used to fund one more move or two now. Morris was on a podcast recently and said the team is really focusing on CCL and that their goal is primarily that right now.
Your roster as it stands is deep enough for an MLS season and that starting 11 is pretty ridiculous. However, I think you definitely need another Centerback and a right winger. If you want to make a run in CCL you have to be able to rotate like the Liga MX teams can.
I could be wrong but I think Lagerway truly prefers building a team to win CCL over making a run down the stretch based on his comments to signing free agent Rusnak to a DP contract. Rather than finding somebody new who is less proven in this region he was willing to sign a DP in the primary window for the full cap hit in order to have somebody can step in and contribute immediately. I’m not a Sounders fan, but for the sake of CCL I’ve taken particular interest in your offseason and will be rooting hard for you guys. I love the resignings to preserve continuity in your squad from last year. I think that will do wonders for competing in CCL.
Right winger in particular I'd be surprised. We've got several young homegrowns on the roster who are mostly-untested by MLS opposition but can play that position, and Lagerway might even see it as a *benefit* if he can gently lean on Schmetzer to give them a few more minutes early in the year by simply not providing veteran alternatives for squad rotation. He did that last year at some other positions and it worked out pretty well.
I could potentially see us adding another CB, although I doubt it'd be a major signing if so. More like a guy on a low or even league-minimum salary. You don't necessarily need a lot of *high-level* CB depth going into CCL if you're willing to just roll the dice on a couple league games while resting the starters, and I think that's probably what we'll do if we manage to avoid being eliminated in the first round.
Edit: Huh. Well the $750k GAM announced was about 3x what I'd guessed we were getting out of this. With that much GAM maybe there *are* some interesting opportunities for one last big move this window.
Or cross the ball to Row Z.
some confirmation from Jeremiah
[Sounds like it's basically a done deal. I wouldn't expect a huge GAM return, but they'd clear nearly $600k in salary plus an international roster spot. Considering Smith was at best a backup, it's easy to see Sounders' motivation.](https://twitter.com/JeremiahOshan/status/1486496661622833153)
Wonder what we get if it's not a "huge" GAM return. I'm hoping it's at least $250,000 GAM for Smith.
750K. Seems like a big return to me.
Holy shit, that’s really good.
This is good for the Sounders, if they get $100,000 in GAM, it will be a great move. Villanueva hopefully could come back and get signed as the third LB to replace Smith. We will need a third LB because international duty and jimmy can't go a full 90 consistently
I was shocked this week when I saw Medranda was only 27. What!?!
Jimmy only has one speed: Full out. So that's why he gets injured a lot.
> We will need a third LB because international duty
For what it's worth, we don't have any games scheduled during international windows this year. Should be a nice change of pace, unless something like weather interferes with the nice scheduling.
Dude has a pretty high ceiling but he hasn't been great for us recently. It's funny to think about how I would have reacted to this news in 2019 when we were debating whether he's worth a DP spot.
Seems like a good move both for Smith and the Sounders. Brad is a great guy and teammate, but he disappointed after the first few games last season and fell behind Medranda on the depth chart. Since we'll certainly play more 4-2-3-1 this season, he would be behind Nouhou as well at LB. He could use a new start and more playing time, and the Sounders could certainly use a little salary flexibility for summer. And he'll always be a 2019 MLS Cup Champion.
Smith was great when he came over in 2019, but since returning he hasn't been great and hardly consistent. Not ideal for someone making TAM salary.
Hopefully he can play well in DC and regain some of his 2019 output. He can be a good player at this level when on it for sure.
I think this confirms we'll likely be playing mostly 4 at the back. Nouhou starter and Jimmy back-up. Keeping Smith as the 3rd behind those two would not have been ideal at the salary he was making for sure. Now on the other end of that discussion, trading Smith while playing 3 at the back with Nouhou playing on the left side of the three while only Jimmy would be the only LB, that wouldn't be ideal too so I think this confirms that Schmetzer is going 4 at the back. I'm good with it since I think it is imperative to get our best attackers on the field and I think going 4 at the back gets Morris on the field easier than 3 at the back.
That's certainly an option... we are scrambling. I don't think we expected this much interest in our players. Now our new FO has a massive task on their hands in terms of replacements. I don't envy them, but I'm really worried about this season
Smith is still a pretty good player. He's just stuck behind Nouhou and Medranda at LB now that we're moving back to a 4-2-3-1 formation. Makes sense for us to trade him for money, and you guys are still getting a pretty good player. Plus, y'all should have plenty of GAM to spend on moves like this.
I can understand how you feel comfortable offloading what you feel is a useful asset. Because you have never missed the playoffs in your entire mls career. Meanwhile, we were supposed to be the original titans. The best team this continent has ever seen. And now we are supposed to be excited about your cast offs? No. I reject happiness until it is proven to me.
Honestly, it’s a move with a lot of potential upside for DC.
Smith never got back to his 2019 form in his last run with us. I think he could with time, but it just wasn’t worth a $600K hit when he’s 3rd on the depth chart. (His slide to third also had to do with formational changes)
I think he might be able to get back to form if he’s got the playing time, it just didn’t make sense for him to do that in Seattle.
Freeing up cap space plus an international slot I think?
Saving GAM for moves in the summer I dig it.
I am extremely whelmed.
Garth is the absolute best. If we go back to a 4-2-3-1, Smith is most fans' third choice at LB. He is pretty inconsistent, shaky on defense, and his passing has not been great lately. His goals last year were nice, but way above his normal production and not likely to be repeated. If we can turn that into GAM, that's a pretty great deal for us.
No idea if this is an upgrade for DC, but turning Smith into GAM seems like a big positive for us, because I'm confident that Garth can use that money and Smith's salary more effectively somewhere else.
I guess that means we don't expect to sell Nouhou. I am not as down on Smith as most. Nouhou does not offer much going forward so Smith is an excellent change of pace. But he is overpaid for that role so getting out of that salary and some free money and an international roster spot seems like a solid deal.
Perhaps give Nouhou a raise that would take up at least a good portion of the cap freed up by this trade?
My question for Seattle fans is whether this guy has the fitness to press high and play end to end like Losada really wants out of a winger
Smith usually did a lot of running in his LB role, and Schmetzer requires everyone to be active in defense. But, he also had his share of muscle injuries and would often sub in/out with Nouhou in past seasons (in the 4-2-3-1). His best attribute is probably his speed in open space. If he can get to the end line and put in a cross or cutback pass, he is most dangerous. He isn't great in tight spaces and will often choose the safe back pass under pressure. He isn't great in defense.
I'd say he covers enough ground to be a high-press guy, but I worry about consistency and injuries if he is asked to go 90 every game.
you'll get different takes i think, but imo i liked him at winger occasionally because of his press. throwing him forward usually made good things happen. he can press and he still has crazy speed.
I don’t really think so. He’s fast as hell but not reliably healthy and that was in a system that is probably not as physically demanding as Losada’s. Having said that, he also barely played in England when he went back in between his two stints with the Sounders, which may have accounted for some of his fitness issues when he got back.