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justalittleahead

What publication does this "Arriola" work for? Is it reputable?


NextDoorNeighbrrs

https://twitter.com/theblackgatsby_/status/1484265838391689217?s=21


FlyingCarsArePlanes

I have zero clue if this guy's trolling or not.


ForFuchsAke

Idk bout you guys but I’ve been loving this off-season so far


Youngringer

I just wish we were involved


foolinthezoo

Hey you bought out a guy yesterday. That's a form of movement.


Youngringer

it's like taking a knife out of your arm....I guess I'm better now but still not great


PoopieMcDoopy

Or now you might just bleed out.


atatme77

You remember how crazy your last off-season was? Maybe quiet is what you need


bjlile99

enjoy your spoon


echoacm

I'm loving it until either Turner leaves, or the Revs don't let Turner leave, and there's a whole mess from that


Jolandia

Seems like it’s been a much more active off-season than usual. We don’t seem to go more than a day or two without some sort of notable news


Disk_Mixerud

Last year or so, Europe caught on to the fact that the players here are actually pretty good. Creating a whole shuffle while everybody (including MLS clubs and the players themselves) try to figure out what the players here are worth.


matthew1724

I’d say Davies kicked it off


Disk_Mixerud

Was a big part, yeah. Proved that a dominant MLS player could quickly translate into a very good top level player. Tyler Adams probably helped set the stage a bit as well.


Chubbs42

Yeah, rub it in 🥲


CaptainJingles

2nd player in a week to pushback on something Goff has reported.


stubblesmcgee

Probably more accurate to say pushback on what FOs have been telling reporters.


jjspacer

That was exactly my thought too.


Coltons13

Well sorta. The Kellyn Acosta stuff was more pushback on that Burgundy Wave/Denver Post guy, which Goff just amplified, wasn't his own reporting. Edit: And even this one is really more amplifying Bogert's report


CaptainJingles

Fair, the second Goff tweet, not report.


Coltons13

Yeah, he's been trying to get on the train of "I'm hearing this too" and got unlucky with both lmao


Scratchbuttdontsniff

and that is why source piggybacking is DANGEROUS!


Isiddiqui

Acosta was responding to Charles Boehm, not Goff. https://twitter.com/KellynAcosta/status/1482069406490320897


Coltons13

Between the Burgundy Wave/Denver Post guy putting out stuff about Kellyn Acosta and now Goff w/ Arriola, how fucking hard is it to ask for comment from the topic of your report?


Matt_McT

I'm guessing these reporters got their information from a source in the FO and not the players.


Coltons13

Probably, but it's journalism 101 to ask your subject for comment on a story.


Matt_McT

Yea. It would be better to break the news that the player actually *did* have interest in Club America instead of the player having to correct you.


Coltons13

And it's much more interesting if DCU is saying one thing and Arriola another, that's some juicy transfer drama


metameh

I'm not going to say there was ever a golden age of journalism or anything, but in present times, journalist integrity is pretty trash. I'm not surprised to see lazy, institutional trust popping up in sports journalism.


therealflyingtoastr

When was the last time a player responded to a question from a reporter with something other than the usual rote "I'm just focused on the next game" dreck? I don't blame the reporters for not bothering to ask anymore. MLS fined all the players who said anything and now they're all too scared to the point where it's completely pointless to waste the digital ink and time talking to them. E: Oh, and it turns out that Goff did ask Arriola for comment [yesterday](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/01/19/paul-arriola-dc-united-weighing-offers/). His response was *"I still have a great relationship with D.C. I am still currently a D.C. United player, so if things were to move on, then obviously it will be mutual. And if not, then I’ll be in [D.C.] training camp as soon as [U.S.] camp is over and [be] ready to roll."* So your little "journalist integrity" box was checked and Arriola said jack shit of value as expected.


Coltons13

>When was the last time a player responded to a question from a reporter with something other than the usual rote "I'm just focused on the next game" dreck? They don't often, but that doesn't mean the journalistic integrity doesn't ask for it. It's one of the most fundamental things you learn when writing a story - it's why you see "we reached out to [x] for comment and didn't receive a response" in most reports. Edit: I wouldn't expect this from some volunteer writer or fan blog, but Goff is a full-time reporter for the Washington Post for nearly four decades, he should know better.


iKidA

You should've asked Goff for a comment on whether he asked Arriola for a comment. He would've answered yes.


therealflyingtoastr

Meh. If players don't want to let the FO's shape the narrative, they need to actually open their damn mouths once in a while. We all know exactly what Arriola and his camp would have said if Goff/Bogert had asked about these rumors ("no comment" and "I'm just focused on getting ready for the season" and other such drivel). Sure, that would have fulfilled the "responsibility" of "serious journalism" to ask for comment. But it would have added nothing to the story and, more importantly, wouldn't have changed the fact that Goff/Bogert were going to share this line from (presumably) DCU's FO about what happened with the America deal. This is the sort of thing that goes both ways. If Arriola wanted to make sure his side was being accurately reported, he (and the rest of the players) actually need to talk about their side when asked instead of the constant worthless soundbite deflections. They waste everyone's time when they do that, they can't get mad when people finally give up asking them for input.


Coltons13

> Meh. If players don't want to let the FO's shape the narrative, they need to actually open their damn mouths once in a while. Maybe, but it still isn't their obligation to seek out reporters to give comment. They can't talk if they don't get reached out to in the first place, which is the reporter's job. >Sure, that would have fulfilled the "responsibility" of "serious journalism" to ask for comment. This matters. Responsible journalism has an impact and being the FOs mouthpiece shouldn't be what Goff is looking to be after 40 years at the Post. I don't think it's justified to give up on a basic aspect of your responsibilities because you sometimes don't get a useful comment.


therealflyingtoastr

> I don't think it's justified to give up on a basic aspect of your responsibilities because you sometimes don't get a useful comment. It's not a "sometimes" issue though. When was the last time an MLS player commented on transfer rumors? Ever? Hell, when was the last time an MLS player said *fucking anything* in an interview? Zlatan excluded (because he didn't give a fuck what Garber would do to him), has there been any player in recent memory who hasn't toed the "bullshit deflection" line for everything? I can make a list right now of every response to every media question for pretty much every player in the league: * *"Best fans/atmosphere in the world"* - whenever they're asked about playing a home game * *"We're going to work hard and turn it around"* - whenever they're asked about a losing streak * *"He's so exciting to play with"* - whenever they're asked about a new signing * *"I'm just focused on the next game"* - the answer to literally every other conceivable question * **BONUS:** *"It's a higher level than I expected"* - whenever an international signing is asked about the league The players in this league are completely worthless when it comes to media interviews. They're so scared of retaliation by the league that they give non-answers to even the most milquetoast questions, and far less to anything actually contentious like a transfer negotiation. Yes, reporters should ask for comment. But it isn't going to change shit because those players aren't going to say anything worth printing regardless. Arriola being asked what happened with the America transfer isn't going to change what happened here, because Arriola wasn't going to say anything. I have no sympathy that Arriola didn't get to share his side of this saga, because he wouldn't have shared it anyway.


Coltons13

This is commonplace in the industry as a whole, it still doesn't change journalistic responsibility. I'm not joking when I say asking for a quote from your subject is journalism 101, quite literally one of the first things you learn. I don't really care about the usefulness - but I get the point there. As someone who's worked in comms/PR in soccer, I care about people in that space doing their jobs properly, especially ones who know better. It's disappointing to see that standard slip.


therealflyingtoastr

I understand what you're saying. My point is just that I don't think it's fair to be pinning this entirely on the reporters. The players have been so worthless for comment for so long that it shouldn't be surprising that standards have slipped. Going more than two decades and getting the same response to everything - while being certain that those same responses are going to keep coming - would lead any sane person to just stop bothering.


Coltons13

Eh, then don't do the job, it's a part of the description. I think a failure to do their job is entirely on them - especially someone of Goff's level, I again wouldn't hold some volunteer or team blog writer to this level. The players should fulfil their role too, but teams often don't want them to do that. So if the teams don't want the players to do it, but the reporters go to the team and not the players, what's the recourse for the players? There's danger in letting FOs set the tone of things exclusively as they have their own interests at heart and those may be at odds with the players' best interests.


therealflyingtoastr

> what's the recourse for the players? Actually answering questions when asked. The players are already letting the FO's set the narrative by just repeating the same coached phrases over and over again and leaving it for reporters to ask "sources" for context. The players don't get to play along with their FO's desire for "no comment" responses and then go shockedpickachu.jpg when reporters go elsewhere for comment. Again, we know that even if Goff had asked Arriola, he wouldn't have said anything. Nothing about this situation changes other than checking the "no comment" box. That's on Arriola, not Goff. The players are the ones making the choice to consistently and constantly clam up for every single question. And if their teams and the league don't like them talking openly with the media, the MLSPA should be stepping in. It also isn't.


pervert_hoover

god dammit dc, we're really doing this again, huh. full clownpaint in the FO.


wessneijder

I really wish we could get a USMNT player on Club America. It would make a CA fan head explode if he does well for them then scores on El TRI in midweek


LocksTheFox

Alvarado was there once upon a time. I'm still mind blown that dude got as many caps as he did.


ichinii

I love MLS drama. Nothing like it.


kane127

Shows a bigger issue of the league not granting the wishes of their players and In my view, halting USMNT player development to make more money.


LocksTheFox

Honestly the concept of in-league trading-against-the-player's-will is less an MLS thing and more a US sports thing. Isaiah Thomas is probably the best example, dude basically ruined his career playing hurt for the Celtics and they responded by dumping him on Cleveland. The difference is MLS has actual competition outside the US sporting landscape, as much as I like some of the overseas sports leagues there's just not the money that's gonna pull guys.


kane127

It’s just so unfortunate that the league can’t expand its visions to better reflect how the business and development aspect of this sport is done. As a fan I may want to have the best players for DC b it I would much rather see an American player get their shot internationally and it could change the way they play for the USMNT when it comes to global competitions.


eightdigits

Development? Who are we talking about here? Surely not the guy who is 27, getting bid on by a league he's already played in before.


kane127

He’s still 26 and he expressed intentions of returning to that same league. It’s not like Club America was going to shirt change United. They made multiple offers but the league is choosing to ship him elsewhere. Even if it may not help development to you it sets a precedent for other players some much younger who might have their shot at playing international soccer ruined by greedy clubs


Jaters

I feel like it shows a growth in the league that teams can make competitive offers. Obviously the foreign transfer policy rules do need some fine-tuning, but IMO foreign clubs have been lowballing US/MLS talent.


sporkshadow

Do we even know his wishes? Sounds like we don't. And how is MLS halting USMNT development when a lot of MLS players were sold to European clubs this year? Club America is not in Europe.


kane127

The tweet is directly from his account and the context around it shows that he never claimed to have changed his mind about going to Club America. Doesn’t matter where the club is in the world of a player has intentions of wanting to play internationally the club should grant that. Not only does it expand the horizon if the player it gives them a chance to play different competition and gain skills they need to develop as a player for the NT. Yes a few players made the move overseas but Arriola and Acosta from Colorado won’t get that chance when it seemed clear that they wanted to make the moves to non-MLS clubs.


flcinusa

Hook this to my veins, Goff getting caught in 5K


Matt_McT

More like Goff reporting something he was told be a source in the FO, who have a different view of things than the player they just traded. Same vibe as what happened with Acosta and Colorado.


TommyTornstus

I mean this was reporting specifically about what Arriola wanted. Not really a matter of perspective. It’s true or it isn’t


Matt_McT

Looks like whatever that source told Goff wasn't true, which is what makes it interesting. Same shit went down with the Acosta trade to LA when Colorado apparently told reporters they didn't have any offers from Europe and Acosta had to call that out.


TommyTornstus

Goff’s sources when it comes to DCU is usually just the FO. And after the Lucho disaster with PSG I wouldn’t put it past them to try and shape a false narrative


flcinusa

Probably, but in the rush to not be left behind (as it seems he's amplifying things others are reporting), he's looked like a dumbass both times, not great for reputation


Animastarara

arriola withdraws coolly


Blazing_Shade

Tier?