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Breaten

Any time you get a chance to drive down some of the best support in the league you have to take it. It’s the Crew model.


Caalke

Let me know how you guys work it out. Asking for a friend.


Crunch18

Cutting off meetings entirely with the 107ST is an aggressive stance, and does make it seem like Paulson is closing ranks. What's so infuriating is it really doesn't have to be this way. Stay strong, Timbers Supporters.


SeattleGunner

If anyone is surprised that Merritt Paulson is acting in this manner well… I dunno what to say.


CreeperDude17

>In a statement to ESPN on Thursday, the club said it is ending such meetings with supporters permanently. >"We believe the 107IST needs to be more inclusive and open to differing viewpoints from its small group of leadership. If a relationship is one-sided in a desire to drive protest over facts and players' desires, it isn't sustainable," the club statement said. "We've come to the conclusion that the previous framework for dialogue and communication is due for a refresh and we will no longer be holding 107IST meetings in their current form as we look to increase our broader communication and input loops to the entirety of the supporters groups." 😐😐😐


RCTID1975

I don't always read the 107ist emails, but have they said that?


Fritzed

> We believe the 107IST needs to be more inclusive and open to differing viewpoints from its small group of leadership. Clearly the onus is on the 107ist to demonstrate more diverse opinions, such as "sexual coercion isn't that big of a deal"


FalafelBall

?? The club said in a statement to ESPN that they are refusing to meet from now on


RCTID1975

Yes, I'm asking if the 107ist has told their members or if this "slipped their minds" I'm not asking if it's true


FalafelBall

Several members on the board tweeted that they found out via this article. As the article says, communication with the front office has been cut off


RCTID1975

I'm finding it hard to believe no one at the 107ist knew before this article


FalafelBall

Yes all the ones who spoke to the reporter lied then and the rest of them are lying on Twitter now 🙄


RCTID1975

> The front office canceled meetings with the board for October, November, December and January. I mean, obviously the TA new things weren't good, and knew meetings were being canceled.


FalafelBall

And? They expected them to resume at some point. Duh. I can't tell if you're intentionally being obtuse or are really this thick


binzoma

man portland should be one of the showpiece clubs in this league. how long does this ownership group get to dick around before the league sterlings them? this shits gotta be bad for business, and in SUCH a fertile market


BlazerBeav

"man portland should be one of the showpiece clubs in this league" They are - financially and in terms of on-field success?


db0606

Sorry but Portland IS one of the showpiece teams in this league. Like literally there is nothing better in this league than a Portland-Seattle match. It's the best derby in the league by far (although TFC v. Montreal is a good one for sure). We've also been to 3 MLS Cups in 7 years and the rest have had Seattle. Can we drop $35 million on a DP (congrats btw and at the same time damn youz!!!)? No. But that's fairly impossible ask without either building a bigger stadium (I would absolutely hate that!) or getting outside funding (that's just rife for even douch-ier ownership). I think both of those things would make me like the Timbers less and cheapen the product. Never gonna happen but I would be totally down for either a fan owned version of the Timbers or direct ownership by the City of Portland (the latter would likely be a disaster, of course, but that would be par for the course for Portland).


binzoma

I don't disagree that portland/seattle is one of the best derby's in the league. but if you ever meet a soccer fan overseas and MLS comes up, they tend to only know a few teams. and portland isnt one of them. in NZ and of people I've met traveling in general (just my personal experience), people tend to have heard of toronto, seattle, lag and rbny. thats it. they're aware there is a beckham team but dont know where/who. and they assume/can guess most cities that have MLS teams from knowledge of other sports. but its really just the 4 clubs that have penetrated further into the soccer zeitgeist I think portland should be in that list. and as an MLS fan, I'd rather portland be known internationally than LAG or RBNY. related, ironically the brits I know take MLS MUCH more seriously than the aussies/kiwis. we were talking about soccer at a bbq on friday and I joked that TFC would easily beat a friends (non EPL) team. he was like with some of the moves you make and after signing a player like insigne, you guys are probably a bottom/mid tier EPL quality (in seriousness). I was like WOW. wow. wow. ok no. MLS isn't there yet, the best MLS teams are probably mid/high level championship at best. and we haven't proven we're at that level again yet. meanwhile the kiwi was like fuck are you talking about MLS is junk


thrillmeister

> this shits gotta be bad for business, and in SUCH a fertile market Lmao. Bad for business? The Timbers are not hurting for business.


foolinthezoo

Well, here's hoping. Ball is in their court.


agtk

I read the article and it certainly doesn't sound like they're going to make an effort anytime soon.


PDXPuma

The fact that , honestly, Merritt Paulson promised a full, open, transparent investigation and that it would be completed before the renewal deadline... And then promptly shut it all down, and sent out emails threatening people who haven't made the decision that they have until January 21 or they will lose their tickets.. yet no word on ANYTHING about the investigation or even who is going to run it.. That should tell you that they found some really awful shit in there on just a glance and they're choosing to cover it up. If I were Olivia Moultrie's parents, I'd be concerned.


RCTID1975

> That should tell you that they found some really awful shit in there on just a glance and they're choosing to cover it up. See, this is one of the reasons why things are so tense. You don't know anything. It's very possible (and probable) that the lawyers put their foot down and are severely limiting what information goes out. That's all pretty common. > sent out emails threatening people who haven't made the decision that they have until January 21 or they will lose their tickets That's literally how season tickets work for every single thing. Deadline to renew or you lose them. The only thing new here is that we had a couple extra months before that deadline.


duganda

The FO has long since lost the benefit of the doubt. We know quite a bit thanks to the reporting that has been done so far. Not sure why you’re defending the FO, to be honest.


IInviteYouToTheParty

With time, effort and most importantly, accountability, I see no reason why they can’t.


schroedingerx

So, no. At least not with this ownership.


FalafelBall

Hint: click on the article instead of just reading the headline.


IInviteYouToTheParty

I did, but thank you for that constructive comment.


sakibomb523

Just think if the Thorns signed one of their draft picks who is against a solid group of the Portland fanbase.


Bigfuture

In the long run a marriage between trust fund baby Merrit Paulson and one of the most liberal cities and group of citizens/supporters in America just can’t work. I think everyone in Portland is thankful that Paulson got the Timbers into MLS, but he is far from the ideal person to own Portland’s most important community treasure. I predict even more conflict in the future.


corpusjuris

Jackass didn't even want the club - he got it 'tossed in' when he bought the minor league baseball club that he thought he could turn into an MLB franchise. He fell ass fucking backwards into owning one of the (oh god am I about to type this?) best supported soccer clubs in the USA and it wasn't until the baseball scheme fell through that he pursued MLS. I will always, always be eternally grateful that Adrian Hanauer bleeds blue & green and has for his entire life.


NewRCTID22

Hate MP all you want, but the implication of this comment is that he doesn’t give a shit about the club, and that is further from the truth. In fact, he cares so much about the club, he views it as an extension of himself, so any negative backlash towards it is interpreted as a bruise to his own ego. Hence all the dumb tweets and the reason why this standoff exists in the first place. In a league full of apathetic owners, MP is not one of them. He’s just an entitled, whiny, narcissistic infant. But if there’s anything he loves more than himself, it’s the Portland Timbers.


FalafelBall

This is correct. It's the combination of Merritt caring a lot and being super emotionally invested, while also being a man-child and prick at the same time. That being said, he was originally in it for the baseball. He had to learn to care about soccer.


rzle

MP should quite rightfully be criticized for many things, but this is not one of them. He's one of the most involved and passionate owners in MLS. On the sidelines all the time, lots of footage of him getting being super nervous or incredibly excited around key points in matches. He also doesn't deserve the criticism that the hardcore baseball fans in Portland throw at him. He made quite a substantial effort to keep the Beavers in town. Please note that I'm not defending him from any of the bigger or more important accusations, just this specific implication that he doesn't care. He quite clearly does.


funkopolis

I've been hearing this story lately. Any source on this? I don't recall them ever talking about making the beavers pro. That's not even how baseball works, is it? They were already full steam towards MLS when the team purchase went through, and immediately started looking for small neighborhoods nearby to relocate the baseball team. I hate defending Merritt but I also hate revisionism.


seasportsfan

Horrendous. If I were a season ticket holder for the Timbers, I’d be getting rid of them. Thankfully I don’t have to worry about that.


dychronalicousness

Just wait until news breaks that Schmetz has been researching human cloning techniques to create a super team of Alex Roldans


AlienMutantRobotDog

I, for one, welcome our new El Salvadoran overlords.


SeattleGunner

Pupusas and goalkeeper kits for everybody.


NorthKoreanJesus

Alex, (what happened to B), Christian, Delta...


Aurick

Bring on Omicron Roldan!


db0606

Too soon for anything Delta related...


NewRCTID22

The FO and the fanbase have been at odds long before this, sometimes over the stupidest things, and others for serious concerns. Paulson's inflated ego means he'll never relinquish any semblance of control over the club, which is what many in the Timbers Army want. And the stronger the pushback, the tighter his grip gets. The club has slowly gone into full shut-down mode over the years, only pushing news through its in-house media shill. Subsequently, a lack of transparency has only created more unease. At the same time, there's a culture of elitism and spite that has permeated through the Timbers Army's ranks for a while, and it has only served to provoke Paulson's infantile actions. It peaked with the stupid blog post after MLS Cup 2018 talking about how the Timbers Army are "active supporters" that need to be respected and continued with the Iron Front stuff (which politically, I agree with) that turned into "people come to the games to see us, know your place FO." So Paulson interprets an extremely serious situation, one that requires a clear-headed, rational process/resolution, as another witchhunt and stokes the flames even further. To be clear, I personally want transparency, accountability, and an honest resolution to these disturbing allegations. I want the club to establish and enforce principles to prevent alleged abusers like Riley from holding any position within the club. It frankly starts with Paulson holding himself to a higher standard. But more, I want the FO and the TA to figure out how to have a productive relationship and not be constantly at odds with one another. Not everything has to be interpreted as a blow to the ego or a slight on one another. The club will *never* benefit when the enemy is always internal. /rant over


BacteriaEP

When I started Stumptown Footy back in 2010 or some such year, I found the 107ist leadership to be full of egos and hierarchy. They always outwardly acted altruistic and welcoming but to me they were openly hostile. Which is why I've never really taken them seriously. They huff and puff about any old thing. And I'm 100% certain a lot of fans are exhausted by it. Which fucking sucks because for once they have something they should be pissed about and should be leading the charge on but now it comes off as yet another huff and puff session. This is the thing they should have saved their energy for.


NewRCTID22

Exactly my point put into better words. It's a boy who cried wolf situation.


Fritzed

> When I started Stumptown Footy back in 2010 or some such year, I found the 107ist leadership to be full of egos and hierarchy. You said 107ist, but you might as well have said ECS. Or probably most large supporter groups.


intensive_purpose

This is exactly every established supporter scene at any club.


AlpineSummit

I’ve been feeling more and more put off by the TA and 107st over the years, and I can never quite place why I feel that way. Especially when on the big issues, I’ve taken the same side as them. But they feel pretentious to me. To the point they take away from enjoyment of the game. I’m a fan of watching the Timbers play soccer, not of watching the fans support them playing soccer. I also feel they’ve gone stale. Lost much of their creativity that made the atmosphere great. I do hope this sexual assault investigation creates some significant changes for the better in the FO. But the TA isn’t helping to create the necessary transparency.


RCTID1975

> I'm 100% certain a lot of fans are exhausted by it. Exactly. I used to be pretty active in everything Timbers and TA, but the TA killed a lot of that excitement and drive to participate. A lot of super weird internet rants from "leadership", and people telling fans how they should act, what they should do, etc.


RCTID1975

let's be real here. Some of the people at the top of the TA will ALWAYS find something to rage about. There's power trips on both sides of the fence, and it's really alienated a lot of people.


bergobergo

* deleted for uncharitableness *


NewRCTID22

The question was: > Can Portland Timbers, Portland Thorns repair bonds with fans after scandals and distrust? The answer is no. Why? Because the relationship was damaged beyond repair long before this. The TA absolutely has a right to be livid in this scenario. As I stated: > To be clear, I personally want transparency, accountability, and an honest resolution to these disturbing allegations. I want the club to establish and enforce principles to prevent alleged abusers like Riley from holding any position within the club. But the answer to the article's question *cannot* be viewed in isolation. The TA has spent so long firing raging bullets towards the FO on smaller issues, when an incredibly serious situation like this pops up, their rightful outrage is handled poorly and destructively. But whatever, I'm not engaging on this any further.


bergobergo

I was uncharitable in my comment, and for that I apologize. That said, I think you're still equating both sides in terms of blame for the standoff and making a serious category error in conflating 107ist members who annoy you on twitter/reddit with the organization itself. Individual members and even board members have done all kinds of annoying shit, and have fought over minor things, but when it comes to the organization taking a stand and fighting *as an organization* I can think of only four instances: 1. The original fight with the FO, where they tried to replace the TA with the team sponsored official supporters group. 2. various team proposals to turn portions of GA into reserved seating 3. The Iron Front 4. The coverup of Paul Riley's abuse For example, you point to the "active supporters" blog post. That's not an official TA or 107ist stance, just one annoying member being annoying. Any member can post a blog if they submit one. I'm sure there are limits, but I can't remember them turning down one ever. I've always found the die hard GWOut folks annoying, but even I have to admit that the recent revelations make them look more and more right. If the FO actually did a thorough and transparent investigation, accompanied by appropriate discipline, I don't think the 107ist, the organization, would continue protesting the FO. Would there be members who did anyway? For sure, but it's a large and fractious group.


NewRCTID22

This is a fair response, upvoted, and I don't mean to pick a fight with you. Without going into depth, for the sake of all of our mentals, I wrote my response having been in the 107ist since 2012, sat in on the meetings, and heard the rhetoric on how they viewed the relationship with the FO. Similarly, I have close mutual friends with FO staff members, and I've heard (secondhand) how they view the TA, and it's equally as strained. That's why, in my eyes, there won't be a happy conclusion to this. And I'm mostly just extremely frustrated because I think we could actually work through this serious situation and make positive change if the relationship wasn't fractured.


bergobergo

I don't want to pick a fight either, it's never worth it. My New Year's resolution every year is to not be a dick on the internet, every year I get a little better but I still fall short some times. > That's why, in my eyes, there won't be a happy conclusion to this. And I'm mostly just extremely frustrated because I think we could actually work through this serious situation and make positive change if the relationship wasn't fractured. I think blame for this still rests primarily on MP. He could easily take steps that would satisfy 95% of the TA, and get even the most annoying TA member to grudgingly go along, if occasionally vocally bitching, but he won't.


QuickMolasses

That dude interpreted your comment in the least charitable way.


NewRCTID22

There's just a ton of anger in this fanbase. Has been for a while, but it's obviously boiling over. This season is gonna suck ass. Soccer is supposed to be fun, but the vibe is anything but.


foolinthezoo

They aren't equating the two.


FalafelBall

>These supporters groups run their activities through a nonprofit called the 107 Independent Supporters Trust, and their elected board members are the ones who meet front office executives each month -- but those meetings have stopped ever since the public allegations from Shim and Farrelly. The front office canceled meetings with the board for October, November, December and January. Coordination for game-day logistics has continued, but communications from front office executives have otherwise ceased, board members say. ... >In a statement to ESPN on Thursday, the club said it is ending such meetings with supporters permanently. >"We believe the 107IST needs to be more inclusive and open to differing viewpoints from its small group of leadership. If a relationship is one-sided in a desire to drive protest over facts and players' desires, it isn't sustainable," the club statement said. "We've come to the conclusion that the previous framework for dialogue and communication is due for a refresh and we will no longer be holding 107IST meetings in their current form as we look to increase our broader communication and input loops to the entirety of the supporters groups." They aren't even trying to pretend they care anymore. Everyone should shut up and stop asking about the sexual abuse that happened at their club, which they kept quiet, which allowed the abuser to get hired by a close friend of Gavin Wilkinson. Yikes all around


mytigersuit

I can't imagine there's any remediation with GW and MP still at the club


PDXPuma

I renewed, but I'm hoping the 107ist do silent games again. That was the last time it was effective, and it's the only way I think we're going to do it. Paulson seems to want us to let Fashy people in, to ignore his friend's rampant abuse, and I don't know what else. While I think the number not renewing may be overblown slightly, if we don't see action this year, it definitely won't be overblown next year.


TheFishHook

It's wild to me that they did silent games for the Iron Front thing but not for this. The 24th minute smoke thing is cool and thoughtful but besides that and not buying beer everything looks the same from the outside.


corpusjuris

The 'iron front thing' took years to build to the point of a silent match (that involved active cooperation between *ECS* and the *TA* for fuck's sake) and was wider than just Paulson/TA/PDX: ECS members got ejected in Vancouver and wound up walking out of a home match at halftime later on. I don't *like* the TA, but I respect them for sure (and dear lord my loathing of MP has very little to do with the rivalry, he's just scummy), and I don't doubt that if this issue doesn't resolve with a transparent, honest audit it *will* escalate to things like silent matches.


TheFishHook

Cool. All I was saying is covering up sexual assault is a little more serious than that.


NewRCTID22

Bring the downvotes: I hate this logic. 1. Everybody is still giving MP money for tickets, so all it does it piss him off and cause him to stoke the flames even further. No tangible results, just more tension. It doesn't force him to act like the TA wants, not buying tickets would. 2. The biggest loser here are the players who don't get the benefit of a home-field advantage 3. It draws clear battle lines and further alienates other fans, most of whom do not support the FO's lack of accountability, but also really just want to watch soccer and have a good time.


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westcoastwildcat

I’m at the exact same point here. STH on the old side of the stadium - I just want to watch good and fun soccer and at this point I’m more annoyed by the TA than anything. I agree that the club should investigate everything that happened, but you don’t get a right to dictate timelines and transparency as fans here - let them do it right and however long that takes


ISawDasein

As a season ticket holder I’m glad the FO is taking this stance. The supporter groups have no idea what legal advice the FO is operating under and the full scope of those considerations. The supporter groups throw tantrums about political symbols and make demands over and above what they players even want. Seems like they are making more and more of the games about themselves and less about actual soccer.


RCTID1975

> they are making more and more of the games about themselves and less about actual soccer. It's been like that for a long time. Don't get me wrong, the FO has a lot of things to answer for, and could certainly be more transparent about things, but the TA leadership are far from victims here.


scoobiedoobie_430

Agree. Glad the FO has done this. In the months of October through now, where they did not have the meetings, what has the FO accomplished? On the Thorns side a new GM and Coach. On the Timbers side, an MLS Cup game, at home. What has the TA accomplished in that time?


thrillmeister

It's long overdue to stop treating 107ist like they speak for all of the TA, much less Timbers fans in general. They're much more representative of the league-wide "supporters' culture" people, as you can see from all the upvoted responses here. If you take a look at the r/timbers thread, you can see how much 107ist has totally burned their credibility by increasingly becoming an insular clique of protest-addicted weirdoes. It's interesting that the article quotes their "pre-pandemic" membership numbers. I didn't cancel my renewal because of the pandemic, and I know more than a few others who are in the same boat. Since I know the immediate response is going to be "why don't you care about sexual abuse," my personal position (to the extent it matters) is that I'm waiting for actual investigations (and it's not just PTFC, NWSL and USSF are doing their own too) to come in.


FalafelBall

We know it's because Merritt has like five burner accounts and fewer people use /r/Timbers threads though. lol


thrillmeister

Yeah, this is exactly the problem: the assumption that everyone who disagrees even a little is Merritt's sockpuppet. > fewer people use /r/Timbers threads though Yeah, exactly, it's not a bunch of Sounders fans coming through like "oh yeah, I also, completely unrelatedly, hate Merritt!"


FalafelBall

You and I both know Merritt is exactly the type of person to have multiple sockpuppets, that's the problem, we can't rule it out lol


thrillmeister

I would hardly be shocked, that is exactly the kind of thing he would do. But 107ist wants to pretend that everyone who's sick of their shit is actually just a burner account.


FalafelBall

I'm sure people are sick of their shit too but I don't think reddit is a good gauge of it. I believe I recall /r/Timbers skewing against the Iron Front protests but the supporters who show up to games were unified and it was pretty effective.


thrillmeister

The sub seemed pretty evenly split over the Iron Front thing (I personally think LARPing the 1930s is fucking dumb, to put my bias out in front). I'm not sure the supporters who show up were unified so much as confused by the clique who sit in the first 20 rows every match, and with no capos, had no point of focus to sing. There were scattered "PT FC"s that depending on where they were got passive-aggressively shut down by true believers. The concessions boycotts seem like total failures to me. The beer lines are as full as ever, and at the final were crazier than I have ever seen at any match.


FalafelBall

The thing about the Iron Front was it was a fight MLS picked. Whether it was dumb or not, the lion's share of the blame needs to go with MLS. I've been to every Timbers game for the past several years and if the iron Front was at games, I never noticed it because I didn't know what it was. Just a weird stance to take from MLS as it affected no one, and not surprising that supporters weren't gonna wanna be pushed around in the Trump-era political climate. Anyway, I have a problem with the false equivalency of the Iron Front and this. While the Iron Front was a symbolic thing, this is a serious issue involving sexual misconduct. I still think there are questions about the Paul Riley stuff that need answering, and it's totally reasonable to want transparency and accountability. The front office hasn't said shit since October 4. Nothing. Not "here are some steps we've taken." "We understand supporters want answers and we are committed to providing them but the investigation is still ongoing." Nothing. The front office still hasn't said who is doing the investigation, when they expect it to be done or how much they will release of it. They've been cagey when they really can't afford to be. This is the sort of stand TA should take. We'll see what happens next season. It's hard to have a concessions boycott for a team in playoffs and then a championship, I know based on all the Timbers fans who came out of the woodwork but don't give a shit about seeing the team in March. I would think the start of next season will be different but it's hard to say how things go from here. I just feel like it didn't need to be this contentious and even if TA tends to be obstinate, the front office really made things far worse


thrillmeister

I don't think it's totally weird that MLS took the IF stance it did, they were trying to draw a line somewhere. I do think the league runs the risk of getting ghettoized as a sport for lefty protest types if gets out of hand, and regardless of whether you identify as one of said types, you can see why the league doesn't want that to be their identity. But you're right about the false equivalency. Regardless of where you fall on either issue, one is just a symbol, the other is much more serious. I disagree that they've done nothing; they've done a bunch of re-org stuff, hired a new Thorns GM, thrown money at various causes. What they haven't done is Fire Gavin, and I just don't think that's going to happen unless these investigations come back with some pretty damning stuff. The concessions boycott preceded the playoffs, including a bunch of just normal home games, and I just never saw any difference at the Double Post or anywhere else. The biggest issue the FO has with selling concessions is that the stadium is outdated and people give up on waiting in line. I think if 25% of concession buyers boycotted you'd see no actual dip in sales because they'd just be replaced by people who otherwise would have looked at the line and gone back to their seats.


jboarei

All for not wanting to fire a GM. It’s honestly hard to comprehend. Can’t imagine this would be the hill to die on.


eers2snow

Maybe I'm in the small minority in the TA but I'm 100% not here for the leadership's ongoing dramas. I just want to watch my Timbers play and have a good time at the match. That's it. Thankfully, the Timbers have been pretty good watch and matches are mostly a fun time. But it's clear the 107 leadership have qualms about past NWSL teams, ongoing issues within that league, and that GW didn't terminate a former coach or leave his Thorns position hard enough for their liking. Hey that's fine, you do you, but take that anger out at the Thorns or NWSL matches since you care so passionately about that team and league. It's a bit ridiculous -- I was there at Timbers playoff matches and had someone give me the stink eye then hand me a flyer about the Throns situation for simply having a beer during the ongoing concessions boycott.


LAFC211

> Mana Shim and Sinead Farrelly, went public with allegations of sexual misconduct from Paul Riley, who coached the Thorns in 2014 and 2015. Among the disturbing allegations were that Riley had pressured them to kiss each other as he watched, sent them lurid photos of himself, greeted one player at a purported film session in his underwear and verbally berated them. > General manager Gavin Wilkinson was quoted thanking Riley for his service. > Within months, Riley landed another head coaching job at an NWSL club that would later be known as the North Carolina Courage, and the Courage have said that they were "assured that he was in good standing."