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TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Locker room morale about to fucking die


Hopsblues

I'm even more pissed about this now...Bad mis-calculation by Smith? Fan favorite, that was likely going to play in the WC (think jersey sales), team leader, hitting his prime...and we trade him to a conference rival? This doesn't bode well for the first half of the season. Playing CCL games with a bunch of new players and a grumpy locker room. Nothing feels right about this.


atatme77

Tbf, the math makes it a great deal. It's the way it happened that makes it shitty


Joey_Jo_Jo_

Don't you need fans first before you can think about jersey sales?


Hopsblues

Ouch..haha..it doesn't help when you trade your best player, that's popular right as he's about to help take the US to the Qatar WC..There's some practical reason's for this trade. But it all feels wrong. He didn't want to go to another MLS team. This whole move just reeks right now. Even if there's some absolutely good reasons, they certainly botched the PR side of this. I woke up to text from a sounders fan of mine. Hey, you going to the USMNT game, That Acosta might play in up at your stadium?


Granadafan

You’ll still be able to buy an Acosta jersey....😃


Isiddiqui

Twellman confirms what Acosta tweeted that there was international interest: https://twitter.com/TaylorTwellman/status/1482071587109097473


casualsax

In classic Twellman style he deleted his tweet.


bill326

Ok but...that revs tweet. Adding Acosta to this roster would've made us so much more flexible with our formations and now I really wish he came to us.


casualsax

If he wanted out we dodged a bullet. Imagine paying that allocation cost just to see him walk in two years.


bill326

Fair, but I have a very narrow minded, i want the cup now mindset


TaeKurmulti

Feels like him moving to Europe is now or never, he turns 27 this summer - like that ship is probably sailed if he doesn't go now. Also it feels like there's always been rumors of him potentially going aboard and nothing ever materialized.


Isiddiqui

Fucking Taylor!


SCsoccer

This sub/Taylor helped me on some great odds on the NYCFC win with the whole Philly team having all those guys out. Odds makers didn’t adjust till right before kickoff.


WhyplerBronze

and yet, they still barely won.


SCsoccer

Money paid out the same.


WhyplerBronze

naturally. I was speaking more on the game itself.


jjspacer

Cash money


Squat_____6

Damn. This does not seem ideal for all involved. To do this to a guy pushing for a spot to be at the World Cup is pretty egregious.


dragonz-99

Ya I’m worried he doesn’t want to be at the club, but if he gives it his all I’m sure we’d reward him with a transfer. We love trying to send players abroad anyway


Sky_control69

He already said in a new tweet that he is welcomed to be in LAFC and will work hard. The other tweet of him was of him getting mad at Colorado not at LAFC because LAFC aren’t in the fault here 😂


dragonz-99

I’ll take it then I guess haha. Honestly feel like the Rapids win here. We gave them Kaye who got in form immediately and then a ton of GAM. Likely Acosta only sticks with us for a year or so. So they have the better offer. They’ll get the sell on… This is a short term patch for us. Happy to have him tho!


Quidster4040

Not sure if many European teams will bite at a then 27-year old MLS lifer, unless it's a club in Scandinavia or Scotland


EnglishHooligan

In a way, they don't win. Players talk, especially in MLS. This isn't a good look on the Rapids and his now former teammates might take that into account regarding their futures.


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EnglishHooligan

It isn't a good look because while you money ball well, you could hurt the chances of decent players wanting to come if that is how 1 feels they were treated. Now, this is the only time we have had this situation with the Rapids so maybe it isn't an issue.


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EnglishHooligan

For the most part, players are consulted before being traded... most times at least and depending on the club.


davidhern22

I didn’t see much of CO Kellyn but if they get the FCD and USMNT version I think he is going to fit in great .


Sky_control69

True and he will for sure work twice as hard to be seen by European clubs again


bwoah07_gp2

"This is egregious! This is egregious!"


Audicity

This sounds very Rapids. CO fans deserve better from their FO and ownership.


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Rapids fans are already pretty blindsided by this trade. But these new details aren't gonna make us like it more...


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stubblesmcgee

thats true that we dont really know what was going on behind the scenes, but I feel like it speaks volumes for an experienced player to come out and say this publicly. we dont know what was offered, but we know he feels slighted now.


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stubblesmcgee

It's not, but your previous comment was basically arguing that the offers coming in may have been bad. I'm saying that they might have been, but Acosta would be less likely to complain publicly if that was the case. You can disagree, but that's how, and I imagine most of the others here, are seeing it.


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stubblesmcgee

>If anything, they are a club with little room to take deals of lesser value and we have zero insight into what other offers were on the table and the specifics of what the Rapids would net when the dust settles. If the offers from LA and whatever foreign teams offers were similar, then its usually considered good practice to go with the offer that the player actually wants, especially when said player has been vocal about wanting to go abroad in the past. You're saying we dont know the details of the offer- arguing that CO was acting in its monetary interest. This implies that that CO would be in the right if the other offers were bad. So yeah, you actually did remotely suggest that.


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stubblesmcgee

It's not really reactionary when the player themselves is saying they were pushed out. I agree we dont know the situation, but do you think you know the situation better than Kellyn?


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saltiestmanindaworld

Pretty much any move thats more than 1M in GAM interleague is going to be worth more in terms of squad strengthening than any sale out of the league since the 1M GAM max limit on outgoing transfers.


foolinthezoo

Yeah. CO still has a strong FO consistently punching above weight. But this specifically seems very messily handled.


jnoobs13

Even if they had a really good season last year you can't forget that they have a comically bad owner, who doesn't give a single fuck about the team. Kroenke's a perfect example or corporate greed ruining sports, and why I believe that you should only be able to own one pro sports team at a single time. And yes, I say that as someone who's aware of Tepper owning both the Panthers and our club, he shouldn't be allowed to do it either.


Quidster4040

Honestly, it sounds like all MLS silly rules notwithstanding, LAFC's offer was more valuable than any European club's offer. Kind of reminds me in 2013 when we traded for Alain Rochat from Vancouver for some future MLS Draft picks and he was so pissed that we had to engineer a transfer for him to go back to Young Boys in Switzerland. He only ended up playing five games for us.


alxhooter

Silly rules might have played a big part, too. Once you recoup your expenses (including acquisition and salary) on a player, you can only convert a limited amount of a transfer fee into GAM. From a roster building standpoint, there's a point where a higher transfer fee doesn't necessarily help, and while I like Acosta a lot, he doesn't strike me as a guy a foreign club is going to break the bank for. I think it's entirely possible that CO wouldn't have come anywhere close to 7 figures leftover to convert after deducting 3.5 years of his salary and whatever else they had on the books from getting him from Dallas. Last year's GAM cap for a transfer was $1.05 million...LAFC paid just a hair over that in guaranteed GAM. I'd buy the theory that they saw a win-win and used GAM from recent player sales to acquire Acosta knowing they'd either play him (and pay the added incentives) or turn around and entertain the offers Colorado wasn't taking and be able to get that full GAM conversion.


camcamfc

I mean silly rules are exactly why it’s more valuable to just take the LAFC offer. Transfer fees should be able to be spent however the team wants, developing / profiting off talent should be more encouraged. You can still keep salaries relatively in check too.


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

I was unprepared for US Soccer twitter to turn on the Colorado Rapids today lmao


TropangTexter

It's the first time Eurosnobs, US Soccer twitter and r/ussoccer rated Acosta.


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Anytime an opportunity comes to shit on MLS, the USMNT fanbase has to take it


Mikie0711

Tbf MLS deserves to be shit on. I love supporting local soccer but this league is so far from perfect. Not only did they screw over Acosta but apparently players traded within the league for allocation money don’t get a portion of the fee like they normally would if they were sold to another team outside the league. Herc Gomez pointed out on twitter typically a player can expect a 10% cut from a transfer fee.


Coltons13

Side note, but some of the problem with this story and why Acosta even had to make this tweet is on Jake Shapiro (the author of the Burgundy Wave story and a Denver Post reporter) if he didn't reach out to Acosta and just took the team at their word re: no interest from Europe. Pretty bare-minimum journalism stuff to give your story's subjects a chance to comment, something you'd expect from someone who holds the position he does.


IInviteYouToTheParty

Well that’s kind of a dick move.


DaSpectre

A Dick's Sporting Goods move.


jnoobs13

The club is owned by the Kroenke's, need I say more?


Jolandia

Kind of?


TropangTexter

Sucks for Acosta and I know from the player-side of the equation his frustrations are well-founded, but taking the mindset of Colorado - who is to say that the allocation money they got from LAFC would have helped them more in terms of being able to use to add to their squad? I think Acosta is in that tough spot valuation-wise where his transfer value can't be more than $2 million, and that'd mean Colorado would only be able to use $1 million at most to add to their roster (if my understanding of MLS transfer rules and how much goes to clubs selling in a homegrown v non-homegrown player transfer, please correct me), but they'd get more from LAFC to add to their roster. Just saying, I get Acosta's frustration for sure especially if they had an agreement beforehand, but Colorado didn't just do this move for no-reason and were clearly willing to take the short-term PR hit to do so.


AlanLGuy

It’s not just a short-term PR hit though. Especially for a club that is focusing on cheap domestic talent, showing that you’ll ignore the wishes of a player and make an inter league trade over foreign interest is going to make all your youth players hesitate to sign long term contracts with you. As years to free agency continues to decrease, clubs that do this are going to end up shooting themselves in the foot more often than not


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GatorGood15

They can just point to the sales of Bassett and Vines. There is no reason for young academy players to be weary of the Rapids just because they made a business decision regarding a 26 year old who probably wasn't getting sizeable offers.


sounders1974

Oooooh does this mean he isn't gonna play ball with LAFC and wants to go to Europe?


Isiddiqui

Well he did post a tweet to LAFC fans, saying he's excited (doesn't mean that he's not going to ask the Front Office to consider any real transfer interest from Europe). https://twitter.com/KellynAcosta/status/1482075003063398401


dragonz-99

I mean I’d hope if he doesn’t want to play for us then we let him go where he wants. As a USMNT fan I want what’s best for him. He’s one of our better depth players imo. I don’t want it to seem like we’re the bad guys while Colorado has upset him to start with. But LAFC fans are already upset with Thorington’s decisions to I wouldn’t be surprised if he decided to be a dick here because he couldn’t make the other big moves he promised us. I’d definitely support a move out for him if he wants it


MikiLove

Definitely, also have to wonder if LAFC knew Acosta didn't want to play for them? Could they want to reverse the trade and have the league step in?


Jingr

Unless there is a no-trade clause in the contract, the wishes of the player during a trade are usually irrelevant. If LA didn't even bother to reach out to him to explore his interest in playing for them, that's on them. Sucks for Acosta, but if he's this unsettled maybe it would help to force a move.


Sky_control69

Nope he said he’s happy to be in LAFC in his recent tweet


Jingr

Well that's good then.


Sky_control69

Yeah also if Acosta does want to be transferred LAFC would be happy to do that. Several players have left LAFC due to family and personal problems like Omar Gaber and Laurent Ciman back in 2018 due to family problems. Ciman had to go back to Belgium and Gaber had to go back to Egypt. So if for some reason Acosta doesn’t feel happy LAFC would most likely sel him or even give them for free to a European club


Torontogamer

I mean - technically you're right but for 98% of the Soccer world, that's not how it works - both the team, and then the player have to come to terms individually with the new team - and players/agents talk and listen - the more players that get dicked around like this, the more people are going to think twice about coming to MLS.


Hopsblues

I'm a Rapids fan, this is on the FO, not MLS. I don't see Seattle trading off their best, most popular player to a rival.


Torontogamer

Hey I totally agree - but it's going to a eye opener to 80% of the non NA players that something like this is even possible - most wouldn't ever think to try to protect themselves from this. You're right, more sophisticated FOs are going to be able to build more trust with players - but this aspect of the MLS/NA Sports Teams is just one of those things that is totally foreign to most soccer players, and it effects the leagues reputation even if it hits the offending teams rep harder (edit)-- it's an artifact of the MLS that modeled itself after the other major US sports leagues, which are the way they are mostly because there isn't real international competition at the same level of play so they can set the rules regardless - It's something more systematic - that is going to be an ongoing struggle to figured out as the league grows: do we go more USA or a more international style of rules sets...


Hopsblues

I get what your saying, but I have a hard time believing that Acosta, who grew up watching American sports, and his agent don't understand this. He needs a new agent otherwise. Now if the Rapids acted out of bad faith, and decided to break any promises they made him is possible, and if true, shady at best for a clubs reputation. There's still 16 days left in the transfer window.


Torontogamer

I agree with you - and the truth is that regardless of the rule sets there will always be some way for bad faith actors to screw others over -- just dislike the way these kind of situations can the MLS look bush league I guess


Disk_Mixerud

They can always demand a no-trade clause, if they're worried about that. If they're not in a position to make that demand, then they're probably not in a position to refuse an MLS offer anyway.


Jingr

Technically talking about MLS so I don't really care about the rest of the world right now. I don't think we see many stories like this because most of the time players are generally respected in their trades.


Torontogamer

I hear you - but what I'm saying is that the players in the rest of world are going to care about new and exciting MLS specific ways that players can be screwed...


Jingr

This has always been the case, the league has grown in leaps and bounds anyway. Its rarely used in a way unfavorable to th player, and when it is it's worthy of criticism. Teams don't want to sign players that don't want to be there, it's mostly a non-issue. I understand your concern though, just disagree that it's worth much consideration.


Torontogamer

Ya, I hear you it's honestly not a big issue, it just a loose thread... as i said else where I guess I just dislike the way these kind of situations can the MLS look bush league


Jingr

I don't disagree with that


greenslime300

>Unless there is a no-trade clause in the contract, the wishes of the player during a trade are usually irrelevant. This highlights another one of my biggest issues with single-entity. It doesn't come up often but it seems ridiculous compared to the rest of the world where the player has the final say in whether they get transferred. Oddly enough it was also LAFC with Ciman a few years ago.


Sky_control69

Nope, he already said that he’s happy to be in LA in his recent tweet


plainwrap

Guys being forced into playing for LAFC isn't exactly uncharted territory for the club.


Sky_control69

Nope, Acosta already mentioned on his recent tweet that he’s happy to be in LAFC. The other tweet was of him getting mad at Rapids and not LAFC


tiwired

Care to elaborate?


OsuLost31to0

*gestures broadly*


greenslime300

Didn't we have this a few years ago where Laurent Ciman was uprooted and sent to LAFC? I don't remember the outcome but at the time it seemed like he was heartbroken after starting to set roots down in Montreal.


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

I remember that. IIRC he had a special doctor in Montreal for his child which I think was the center of the controversy. Correct me if I am wrong.


miguelc1985

Correct, his daughter is autistic, and Montreal has fantastic French-language resources for autistic children. This was apparently quite difficult for his family to find in Belgium, which is part of what drove him to sign with Montreal.


greenslime300

That sounds right to me but it's been a few years and I don't remember most of the details


plainwrap

https://twitter.com/martincharquero/status/1354131536166195200?s=21


tiwired

That’s from last year. And he got sent to Europe, and came back humbled. Anyone who doesn’t want to play for the black and gold doesn’t have to. We’re not trying to hold a gun to anyones head. It’s literally part of our charter to sell players to Europe once they’re ready. My guess is Acosta will be with us for one or two years max and we will rake in a solid 10mil plus fee for him when the time is right.


Klaxon5

> solid 10mil plus fee for him when the time is right. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.


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*Look into my crystal ball* 🔮


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Hopsblues

He's worth that now, but not 2-3 years from now.


gogorath

He's not worth that now. And won't be then.


Hopsblues

He could step into several Bundesliga midfields and be in the top 2-3 rotation. That's worth $10m. He'd probably sign for cheaper over there as well. Which would be good for the acquiring clubs payroll.


PuffinChaos

A 28/29 year old (in two years time) is unlikely to fetch much…unless he kicks ass at LAFC and makes the WC squad


gogorath

Even if he does those things, he's not going to fetch much.


tiwired

I expect he’ll do very well at LAFC (he’s easily our best and most experienced midfielder now) and I’d be very surprised if he didn’t make the WC squad given his recent performances with them and position flexibility.


PuffinChaos

We certainly need backup to Adams at the 6. Acosta has been inconsistent in the games he’s had behind Adams. I rate him though and would love to see him kick on and become Adams primary backup


stealth_sloth

Laurent Ciman is probably a more apropos prior example of this sort of behavior. When he signed with Montreal, he had other offers for more money from better clubs in more prestigious leagues. He chose Montreal instead *because he wanted his daughter being raised there for medical treatment*. He and his agent made the mistake of not getting a no-trade clause in his contract, and in 2018 he's not even informed about the LAFC trade until the deal is done. All I'm saying is, before LAFC trades for a player from within MLS maybe they should pick up a phone and spend a few minutes talking to him.


tiwired

Ciman played great for us though and we let him leave amicably because of his situation. So if Acosta works out like the Ciman situation we’re in good shape. Especially since we’ll be able to reap the benefit of his sale. The only thing LAFC fans need to be sober about is that Acosta is not long for the MLS, which you could probably say about half our roster.


Hopsblues

He's already 26, the window for Europe will close quickly.


tiwired

Unless he balls out for us and plays well in the WC which is totally plausible


dragonz-99

He was playing kinda poorly we didn’t want him either. Then he got sent back to us what are supposed to do lol If Acosta doesn’t want to play with us then I don’t want him and I hope the FO sends him where he wants 🤷🏻‍♂️


odiibii

Quoting the primadonna that thought he was too good for MLS isn't the best example. He did go to Europe and his ego got checked after failing with Almeria.


NeighborhoodFoxLA

salty ass carson foo lol


plainwrap

It's fine dude. I'm sure your club's recruiting methods are perfectly in line with 18th century British naval traditions. Acosta shouldn't have accepted his drink.


NeighborhoodFoxLA

Don't worry about LAFC, maybe if it doesn't work out you guys can sign him next like Hämäläinen and Edwards.


TheFrijoguero

galaxy fans just gonna make any ol shit up now huh


teeterleeter

Honestly, trades are pretty incompatible with the transfer market. Wouldn’t be surprised to see more issues like this as MLS grows


Coltons13

Not really, player swaps exist in every league on Earth and aren't even super uncommon. What makes it egregious here is that the player has zero say in it, whereas in player swaps elsewhere consent from the player is required.


teeterleeter

^ that’s actually the point I was trying to make. You voiced it better than I did. American leagues don’t need player buy in for trades. Swaps do.


Coltons13

Yeah, that's a big issue with American sports in general since it isn't unique to MLS. Players shouldn't have to negotiate no-trade clauses, it should be implicit in contracts - but owners will do everything they can to resist that.


ForFuchsAke

You’d think LAFC communicated with him to see what he wanted. If not then that’s just horrible mismanagement by John Thorrington.


Sir-Benzington

World Cup year, plenty of caps, LAFC big on players going to their national team. Assuming he plays well, I'd guess they push to get him abroad. Worst case they keep a solid domestic midfielder.


ForFuchsAke

I mean if the guy wants to go abroad he could demand to be transferred out. All I’m saying is I hope the fo and him talked about it prior to the trade or else you just have a disgruntled player that doesn’t want to be there.


Sir-Benzington

I'd assume this is the case. I'd also assume the chip on his shoulder would make him push for that scenario, and is now at a club ok with selling players outside of the Garber bucks regardless of inherent team value (Atuesta). Being disgruntled and not performing isn't good for anyone. We've had a disgruntled player push for a move and it not work out particularly well (Brian Rodriguez).


gogorath

Agree. Though it's not clear that Acosta is pissed about the move or not going to Europe. The spin is what he's clearly angry about. He may be happier going to LAFC than implied here.


cerebrix

I've hated JT pretty much every day since just before the end of season 1. He was an ok player, but he shows me decision after decision that he is exactly who I think he is as a manager. ​ A former player which whos only football club manager experience prior to this, was an internship at the Golden State Warriors Basketball Team for 4 months and then after that, handed the keys to LAFC. Although he was already hired before they even sent him to the Bay Area. JT is "Peter Gruber's guy". So he can fail upward as much as he wants. Gruber is one of the biggest shareholders of club ownership. If he wants his guy, he gets his guy, he's Peter Gruber.


Sky_control69

In his recent tweet he said that he is excited to play for LAFC but the other tweet was of him getting mad at Rapids and not LAFC. Now he has to work twice as hard to be seen by European clubs


your_average_entity

That’s just short sighted and immature on his behalf. Sitting on the bench in Europe doesn’t give you magical powers


Bammer1386

Would be hilarious if LAFC quickly turned around and loaned to Europe for eventual sale at a profit on him.


TraptNSuit

That ought to make his new team feel super excited...


adamwritesit

I would be. It's an easy inroad to start a relationship with a new player. Presenting yourself as better than the old team in terms of how you Handel things and letting him know oyull actually work with him. And if you're the LAFC fanbase, then you hypothetically exist.


Dahorah

Oh man this is juicy! I love it! It's been a while since we had some nice "MLS teams fucking over a players career aspirations" drama!


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Just wish it wasnt my clubs turn to fuck someone over😂


dragonz-99

I kinda wish we weren’t involved either lol. As a USMNT fan I want what’s best for the guy. He’s a good player.


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Sky_control69

This is Rapids fault either way, but Acosta already tweeted that he’s happy to be in LA


LAFCPEREZ

OOOOF


twochains

RIP darling narrative (2021-2022)


dilla506944

That's an oof from me dawg


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Hope Padraig is googling for Denver PR firms rn lmao


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Ruh roh raggy. Thats uhhhhhhh....not good if true.


CommonSensePDX

I think a major problem with current Garber Bucks rules is that often times, trading for gam/tam ends up allowing more cap flexibility than selling for small fees to Europe given you can't use the entire fee for cap stuff.


xrock24x

Probably more worth it to trade in the league than sell abroad.


hoopsandpancakes

Acosta is going to the WC as long as he doesn’t get an injury, GGG loves him.


lordcorbran

Gregg likes him, but we also don't really have any other realistic options behind Adams. If not him, who's taking that spot?


kilsey

Sands is a possibility. He’s played CB for NYCFC, but is a CDM typically


lordcorbran

He could be, but so far with the USMNT he's mostly played in the middle of a back 3. It'll be interesting to see how Rangers uses him.


kilsey

Yep, absolutely. I think Rangers are interested in his positional flexibility (also played some RB for us), so it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out


adamwritesit

He's our designated shithouser


sporkshadow

According to The Athletic today, the last abroad offer for Acosta was in 2019.


stubblesmcgee

Damn, that sucks man. I'm not someone that thinks he needed to go abroad, but it sucks when guys who want to cant for dumb reasons.


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Its my least favorite aspect of single entity. Players cant decide shit.


Coltons13

That's not even about single-entity though. The other major sports leagues in this country aren't single-entity and still have unilateral trades without player consent unless specifically negotiated into the contract via a no-trade clause. But yes, it is gross overall that player movement can be forced on them without a say.


Bammer1386

For freaking real. If my boss came into my office and had the power to say, "Pack up buddy, we traded you to Cleveland." I'd never work another day again.


adamwritesit

Management in a large company can be like that at times


thinkcow

Eh, but in most professions there are at least other options for employment.


ThisIsPlanA

This is isn't single entity, **this is the union.** Other US sports have the same BS and its because in every case unions have bargained away the power of players *before they've even entered the league*. There is a ton wrong with collective bargaining law in sports and outside it, but the idea that an employer and union can collude to limit the options and negotiating power of future employees who get no vote in the matter is insane.


your_average_entity

If players were allowed to play where they wanted we’d end uo with all of them going to NY or LA


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

True it is a real concern.


Jolandia

Oh no…. Colorado were doing so well


Matsu09

What?? What a weird statement. Absolutely bizarre


Jolandia

Yeah really poorly worded on my part, I was just saying that they’re roster build is so smart and it seemed like they were so liked by everyone but now…


SCsoccer

Is it? Colorado had an amazing season, and now they’re screwing over a good player which no doubt isn’t going to go over well in the locker room.


LocksTheFox

Yeah this sounds about typical for Moneyball type teams if i'm honest


Peakside

Yeah this is where I'm at to be honest. Is it great that Kellyn's upset? No, but from the business side of things the Rapids are gonna do whatever makes the most sense financially. If a European team offered 800K vs LAFC offering 1.1 million (and that 1 million can be totally put towards other signings, unlike a transfer fee) which deal are you going to make?


lookuppage7

I don't like it, but i can see why from your example.


xxtoejamfootballxx

This ignores the fact that they’ll likely try to recruit players with European ambitions in the future. Shit like this will give them pause.


RCTID1975

Can you point me to any team in the world that's not going to take the offer that best suits them?


xxtoejamfootballxx

My point is that the offer might not best suit them. Only looking at money today is short term thinking. Is the extra money worth hurting your chances of signing certain players in the future? That is definitely something to consider and has been a major factor in MLS for a while now, this isn’t some new idea I’m throwing out there.


RCTID1975

Again, can you point me to any team in the world that's going to take less money for any player? In order for this to have any downside for Colorado, the majority of other teams in the world would have to constantly take less money in trades. Other than Acosta complaining, this isn't going to have any affect on the Rapids.


xxtoejamfootballxx

You really don’t think that happens? It’s usually not publicized but you are super out of touch if you don’t think teams have to worry about long term strategic thinking in these situations. And other teams in the world aren’t relevant because players have to approve trades. This only happens in MLS. When players express interest in going to Europe, MLS clubs generally push to make that happen. It shows signals to potential signings down the line that the club is a good place to sign if you want to get to Europe. For example, the Union have gotten a bit of a reputation as a pipeline to Europe and it helps us recruit. There’s zero chance we sell Aaronson to another MLS team to get a few 100k extra for example. The value of being known as a team that sends players to Europe is way more valuable to us than that. This situation will absolutely scare players with European ambitions away from Colorado.


arsene14

I'm not sure I agree. Imagine you're a prospect with European ambitions and Colorado is interested in you. You see how they've dealt with Acosta and you're wisely steering clear of a team like that. These are real people with lives and aspirations, not just dollar figures. Looking at it as purely business is a surefire way to lose trust and credibility in the eyes of your workforce and team.


TropangTexter

Counterpoint, Colorado went out of their way to transfer out Sam Vines in the middle of the season and allowed Cole Bassett to leave for Europe on a loan deal where Colorado - for now - won't get anything in return. Of course homegrown v non-homegrown is different, but they've clearly handled other players with European ambitions better so it's not an end all-be all deal. If anything, this was a team decision to maximize what Colorado can do with their roster (getting more xAM to add to their squad than the money they would have been allowed to use on their team if they transferred Acosta out to Europe), and was something Colorado was willing to do for a short-term PR hit (in the eyes of most US fans) because they knew it'd benefit their team.


Peakside

I get what you're saying, but I think we've already shown we're a place where young players with European ambition can grow. We sold Vines to Antwerp where he has become their starting left back when healthy and had already made appearances in the Europa league, plus Bassett is about to move to Feyenoord. There's clearly a pathway there based off of just those two recent examples


TinFoilRobotProphet

He got the shaft at FCD too. Sucks.


orange_juice_7

I don’t get why Colorado would refuse to sell but then trade him (essentially sell him to LAFC) surely the fee for Acosta would be more than 1.5 they got from LAFC is it because all that GAM can be used where only a portion of the transfer fee could be?


overscore_

Selling would net a maximum of 1.05m GAM, so that might be why it's a trade instead of a sale.


Peakside

I doubt any European team offered over a million for Acosta. They likely made more money they could outright use for potential signings with this move


Isiddiqui

Yes, Allocation Money can be more valuable than actual cash, depending on the deal. And they may end up with less actual cash depending on how much the transfer is and how much they have to give to the league,.


Igor_Strabuzov

The league only takes 5% of the transfer so that is not a factor anymore


TheAgeOfTomfoolery

Yeah I am not sure either. This all seems very strange


Party_Translator8918

We’re looking at one of the downsides of the system. It makes more sense for them to sell internally than max out their benefit by selling abroad. That’s not what the player wants and arguably not the highest level he could be at. I’m not pitching Acosta as a big five league player but this could easily send a message to other youngsters debating staying on.


_tidalwave11

And thats where it bites them in the butt. Being a team or league that respects your wishes and helps you achieve your goals is a far better selling point. NYCFC in is limited existence has done more than CO has in producing and growing youth talent...


Party_Translator8918

Yup. I just saw a bunch of people question why they didn’t do more for Polvara when the kid is getting a longer deal in a bigger shop window. There’s no promise he starts for them next year. Sometimes you gotta let one or two birdies fly away so the rest can trust you have their best interests at heart.


Writerhaha

I could see him in a top 5 league. A few years ago PSG was sniffing around. Even since then, I wouldn’t say he’s dropped off the table that far.


samwulfe

Is there anyway he could still take that move abroad or would LAFC continue this cycle of dickishness and turn it down?


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samwulfe

jeez alright relax


dragonz-99

Lol well don’t act like we’re the bad guys here. Colorado should’ve moved him properly. If he doesn’t want to be here we’ll let him go like Ciman and others before him.


KonigSteve

And yet I got downvoted for saying fuck kroenke in the trade thread for some reason.


jacktazz12345

BRUHH


FalafelBall

There seems to be something wrong when a club can have options on the table for a transfer the player wants and then just trades within MLS. Part of me feels like trades as a practice need to end. It treats people like interchangeable property and promotes randomly uprooting players and shipping them off


rvp9362

That's disgusting from the Rapids


jcasimir

Don’t forget when Acosta came to the Rapids he was off the USMNT radar and wasn’t an automatic starter for Dallas. Be salty, mmkay, but don’t burn bridges on the way out man.


RCTID1975

> don’t burn bridges on the way out man. Oh no. Whatever will he do without a bridge to the Rapids?


5states1life

It's almost like single entity is bullshit.


camcamfc

They gotta fuck off with this trade BS, either let the player out of their contract to be a FA or enter into negotiations to sell with player agreement. Doesn’t make sense to send a player somewhere they may not even want to go.


snkscore

Are the rules still setup so the club only gets a fraction of the transfer fee in GAM?


lordcorbran

Teams can get up to a million in GAM for transfers out of the league, so Colorado gets a bit more this way. I don't know if I'd rather have a couple hundred thousand extra if it meant going against your player's wishes and then having him pissed at you and playing for a conference rival, but apparently Colorado did.


Simplekin77

Not to mention the future ramifications of players knowing this could happen to them. Reputation matters.