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Police interview landlord who said Lori Vallow Daybell had a pool party after her husbands killing

Police interview landlord who said Lori Vallow Daybell had a pool party after her husbands killing

LillyLillyLilly1

Holy chit this guy can talk. lol


turnthefrigginfrogs

I’ve noticed, in almost all of these interviews, that most of these people talk up a storm. I wonder if it stems from being tangentially “involved” in something so heinous that they are both trying to process these events that have hit so close to home and also wanting so badly to offer help to LE.


JRWoodwardMSW

I think you nailed it.


turnthefrigginfrogs

Don’t you kind of feel bad for them, while listening to these interviewees? It’s like they subconsciously feel terrible for not listening to themselves/not having made more of a stink about Lori and her claims and whackadoodleness. Not that I blame them, per se. I just hear the after-the-fact desperation and need to tell someone (in this case, LE), yet absolve themselves of responsibility. Not to mention that, if it was any of us, we’d be speaking to law enforcement in the midst of a full-blown investigation that might entail the disappearance of/murder of two children… and we would feel sheepish because we bought what this woman was selling and she was our sister/friend/etc. but “sheepish/embarrassed” doesn’t even begin to cover the lack/fault/survivor guilt that is likely going on with these interviewees. That has to be a really difficult emotional place to be in. But, at the same time, WHY didn’t anyone besides Charles - who was afraid for his life and rightfully so - notify anyone in LE? A lot of these interviewees who are coming to light now have said that they felt deeply uncomfortable with Lori and Alex’s “humorous” words about killing not only Charles, but Joe Ryan. According to LE interviews with these witnesses, Lori and Alex threatened attacks, druggings, poisonings…? Why in the HELL is Joe’s death not being investigated? It’s great that all of these “friends” of Lori’s have come forward. And I understand how Narcicisstic people can isolate friends and family into different groups with their “stories”. But at what point is LE going to present all of this in court or just buckle down and cover their own asses because they didn’t see it either?!? Talking to you… Rexburg. Chandler… etc. LE shouldn’t be buying her shit now. I hope they aren’t. But enough witnesses have come forward about Joe Ryan’s death that LE needs to e crow and investigate that as well. What do you think?


JRWoodwardMSW

Joe was cremated and half the suspects in his murder - if that’s what it was - are dead. The chances of making a case are minimal, and LEO has other things to do.


turnthefrigginfrogs

I get that. But given what I’ve heard from the released interviews over the last few days… the circumstantial case is strong… Especially that Lori is being charged with the murder of her current (former… were she and Chad ever officially married?) husband, and that her brother was likely involved in that. And her former husband died and was found, days later, by Lori and her daughter, who was purportedly molested by him, though the caseworkers never found evidence of that, and the daughter supposedly had a key to the apartment and there is now testimonial evidence from friends who said that Alex not only went to jail for tazing/ assaulting Joe, but both Lori and Alex “joked” with friends about killing him?


JRWoodwardMSW

Agree that the circumstantial case is strong. I wouldn’t put it past the man.


turnthefrigginfrogs

Thanks for responding. I really appreciate your input. Do you have your own ideas about what you think happened? I see MSW in your username… I’m guessing that is Masters of Social Work? Would love to hear further input if you feel comfortable?


JRWoodwardMSW

Yes, Florida State University, class of 86. Go Noles! I was not a therapist - medical case management and independent living - but I had the training. Lori is a narcissist and possibly has borderline disorder. Chad , I don’t know for sure. Some sort of mixed-presentation personality disorder, trending to anti-social pd. (Lack of empathy, craves power, compulsive liar, etc.) Alex, I knew he was polymorphic perverse, but I was stunned by the extent of his quasi-sexual involvement with Lori. Killing the kids? Anti-social. Violation of sexual norms? Same. Gonna guess that as a young boy, his only kind treatment came from Lori, so he fixated on her emotionally. I doubt if he ever formed another deep emotional attachment.


turnthefrigginfrogs

I totally see the narcissistic personality disorder w/Lori. I also see it with Chad. Go down the checklist. Enough said. Narcissists have a really creepy way of getting everybody involved in their shit while they are trying to find their bizarre “home” that everyone else digs. Because they manipulate everyone else and make them dig it. Alex was going to Columbia at every chance to get his rocks off. That was Alex. Sex. Yeah. He grabbed Lori’s tits, according to a witness. She would jump up on him and they would play-fornicate. Sounds about right. Lori needed to feel “beautiful”. Chad was manipulative and made her feel beautiful and special. I would almost feel sorry for Lori, but not quite, that she was being manipulated by Chad and she was figuring out how to murder her husband, his wife, and her kids. Just NO. That is what anyone would have said to her or Chad, had anyone in her life been emotionally mature or had any actual boundaries.


SupaG16

I did not know Lori and Tylee were the ones to find Joe deceased ....that is truly horrific for Tylee


EducationalPrompt9

That was Lori's version of events to a friend. The official version is that Joe's neighbor alerted the police when he detected a foul smell.


SupaG16

Ahhh- that sounds familiar! So Lori used Joe’s death to build up her “story” by telling her community that she and Tylee found him.


LillyLillyLilly1

> And why in the HELL is Joe’s death not being investigated? I think Annie said they "investigated" and closed it. I think it took too long to find him, plus wasn't he cremated? So they had absolutely no hard evidence to go on. Too bad.


turnthefrigginfrogs

I’m sorry… I assumed, because you have the tag “TRUSTED”, that you were actually one of the people involved. I’m not sure what “TRUSTED” tags mean at this point? I thought those were family members or witnesses already mentioned who decided to come on and interact. If you could clarify that, that would be helpful. Thanks. I think I hit the wrong reply button. Egads. Sorry for the confusion.


LillyLillyLilly1

Family members have a red tag.


turnthefrigginfrogs

So what exactly does trusted mean? Because I don’t want to be apologizing to someone that I shouldn’t.


LillyLillyLilly1

I've participated in this subreddit enough that they trust me not to post spam. So I can post a new thread without it going into moderation first. I think that's about the only perk that I've noticed.


turnthefrigginfrogs

Thanks for the update, but I find it confusing.


turnthefrigginfrogs

This feels heartbreaking. I understand what LE said at the time… but there is a lot more that has come out from witnesses regarding Joe’s death since. Lilly… you are someone close to the case, yes? If so, I don’t want to cause pain. But this just doesn’t feel right.


LillyLillyLilly1

No, I'm not close to the case. I think Annie is still prodding at them to investigate further.


turnthefrigginfrogs

I don’t understand what “TRUSTED” means under someone’s username here. I have followed this forum for months, and from what I gathered, it meant that it was someone who was either a family member or a witness to the case. This does not seem to be the case. Could someone please clear this up for me? Mods? I would really rather see a trusted tag only for actual family members or witnesses who want to engage with this Reddit space. Thank you! I appreciate your feedback Lilly, but I really would like to clarify this if someone from the Mod space can help.


alienkweenn

Trusted are users that us mods feel have contributed greatly to the sub & are super knowledgeable about the case.


turnthefrigginfrogs

Thank you for responding. Is there a difference between “TRUSTED” and someone else who is posting and who is connected to the case? I was confused. Thank you!


turnthefrigginfrogs

Please see my reply above. I’m not sure how to move it. Thank you.


turnthefrigginfrogs

Are you an actual witness to the case or a family member? Thanks.


EducationalPrompt9

I wonder if they could establish alibis for Lori and Alex for the time of Joe's death. Perhaps they were able to check surveillance cameras. Joe's room was locked from the inside, IIRC.


LillyLillyLilly1

There was a rumor that the police got in thru the window. If they could get in, Lori was in good enough shape to have Tylee leave by the front door, then dead bolt it and get out the window. Do you think that surveillance camera footage was even gathered? It sounds like they treated it like a natural death from the start.


DanVoges

Her friends were delusional as well. Somebody should have done more to prevent this shit.


mauiswiftest

You have to remember they are in shock at what happened and did not believe the story told. People often talk when their nerves are heightened.


turnthefrigginfrogs

That was my point. Thanks.


CombinationShot4963

life academy reported lori to CPS twice- once after charles talked to jj's teacher, and again after charles was killed. nothing was done. i get the feeling that most people just saw 2 people going through a nasty divorce, and did not want involved.


Fun-Tadpole785

There is video of that pool party.........


turnthefrigginfrogs

Do you have a source? Thanks.


aloinnewport

I can’t listen to this guy, he’s too much- does anyone have a summary?