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IntolerantInagress

Leicester at the bottom of the league after several fixtures feels all to reminiscent from their PL win back in 2015. Coincidence?


Galaxium0

time to use my pfp jinxing magic on Trent


MisterS1997

Jesus I just realised we’re gonna need 4 players just to replace players leaving along with adding like 3 more 😳 we need 7 players fucking hell


matcht

An average player in 2022 is £20m, we have no chance.


MisterS1997

Owners need to sell can’t see any other option with how this is going . We aren’t getting top 4 without investment


matcht

Yeah I came to that conclusion this summer, when West Ham are spending close to £200m and the rest of the top 6 are regularly spending over £100m every summer it's extremely likely we'll fall off with FSG. Klopp/Edwards miracles were inevitably going to end, football always goes in cycles.


iDontKnowBro2020

I don't think FSG are even complacent, I think they simply hold Klopp to the standard her set with the modest outlay they gave him


iDontKnowBro2020

Let's restart the game and buy Haaland at the start of 2020


nijuu

Man you guys are a negative bunch. We can try to blame A B C D or whoever but at the end of the day, it is what is is and we need to deal with it now. Klopp needs to revert to either a more defensive game (unlikely) or at least revert back to what worked for us and work from there. The new system/tweaks are obviously having teething problems (the fullbacks DID underlap with success last season) - especially playing Harvey as RCM. Note we have been trying to get more creativity through the middle for a while now ie - why we bought Thiago (who chips in defensively).We need to resolve RCM, DM (drop Fab for Bacjectic if he is chucking a "i dont wanna" moment) and probably either drop TAA (im for this if he is going to keep lacking urgency defensively - teams are attacking more if anything this season down his side) or chuck Ramsay in the deep [end.](https://end.Play) Play Matip+Konate if VVD is whatevering.Just my 2cents worth. No point bagging on about FSG or shit like that.


DLRsFrontSeats

>Man you guys are a negative bunch. How dyou guys still not see that negativity is warranted currently, and definitely moreso than (blind) positivity? This is a sub about discussing Liverpool and Liverpool are current donkey shit. There's being negative when we draw one game after 6 wins on the bounce and in a title/UCL hunt, and then there's being negative when we have 2 wins from 7 games


Spec1alistInFailure

Some thoughts. A) Firmino and/or Jota (preferably both) should be starting till further notice. Both are in good form and Nunez should have to fight his way into the starting lineup B) went under the radar how bad of a game Salah had. He was really really bad on the ball C) I have no evidence of this but I suspect that Virgil is saving himself for the World Cup. If Ibou is fit, he should be benched. Trent should also be benched if Ramsay is fit or even Gomez can play RB too. Those 2 are the main culprits for our defense being as bad as it is and I think they need a lengthy spell on the bench, even if it comes at the cost of results. Ten Hag benched Shaw and Maguire and they went and won 4 straight games. D) Serious questions need to be asked of Klopp, but don’t mistake this for saying that he should be sacked. It is evident that the team needs to evolve. We have 3 No. 10’s (Firmino, Carvalho, and Elliott) who are playing every position other than No 10. Why not switch the formation? We have a problem with the midfield, why not play a double pivot? I don’t care that we have 3 injury prone CB’s, why not play 3ATB and maybe drop the high line a bit and play more pragmatically? E) Very unpopular opinion here, but this season can definitely still be salvaged (in terms of competing for a major trophy like CL or PL).


DLRsFrontSeats

Re point E - are you basing that off anything or is that just blind hope


Spec1alistInFailure

A couple things A) Arsenal look like the real deal BUT I don’t think they can maintain this over the course of the season, they don’t have good squad depth and between Europe and the World Cup i think they will regress like Chelsea did last year B) Man City are definitely the favorites but it’s fascinating how dependent on Håland they are. I just don’t think that this pace he’s on is sustainable. C) I have faith in Klopp to sort things out eventually. This team isn’t fully washed, things just need to change and right now Klopp for whatever reason isn’t willing to make those changes.


Cactiareouroverlords

I somewhat agree with point B but add in De Bruyne there, his passes create so many openings for Haaland but without Kevin, it becomes a lot trickier because Haaland is not technical on the ball at all. If either go out injured it’s a big kick in City’s shins.


FrankBeamer_

Did you watch VVD play for Netherlands during the break? He was a different man. Played with intensity he hasn’t played with us at all this season. He 100% is saving himself for the WC


No-Shoe5382

Jordan Henderson, couldn't ask for a better captain. Good player, even better man.


DLRsFrontSeats

He needs to use his leadership to galvanise this team


DLRsFrontSeats

Genuine question - would you take oil owners (non murdering or slaving ofc) if their actually useful investments kept Klopp? Because as much as I don't want oil owners or anything similar, I really don't want us to lose Klopp and some increased spending between now and the end of his contract might see us actually win something major again


r7465_

Give us all the slavery we can get just save this team for godsakes


Alexanderspants

Do the morally superior fans not realise that that oil money, the petrol dollar , comes from the same empire our owners make their billions. Just because our oligarchs can make their money at arms length, don't think they don't rely on the slavers and human rights abusers to generate that wealth


KGeedora

I don't think this is fair at all. The issue is (and should always be) if they are tied to the state directly or not. I would have no problem being owned by a Saudi businessman or something. If they were directly connected to the Saudi Government (and then it becomes a matter of soft power), I wouldn't support the team for even one single day more.


dansykerman

whilst this is somewhat true, and all billionaires should probably just die, at least FSG haven’t purchased the club solely as an exercise in sportswashing. their goal with the club is to maximise its value, probably slightly better ethically than trying to improve your reputation as someone who beheads journalists for a laugh


SnooLobsters9002

FSG out. Daily.


Bent_Kopite

I used to like Haaland


IntolerantInagress

I remember when he was on the shortlist for us in the transfer market. This hurts


Craft-Superb

Am I the only one who can’t stand Haaland right now? He’s an incredible player but his arrogance is slightly off putting. Maybe it’s the fact he signed for City or the immense amount of bootlicking he’s receiving or the fact he’s likely to break Mo’s record but I don’t get why even our fans are hyping him up


FrankBeamer_

He has scored 3 hat tricks in 8 PL games. The next fastest person to reach 3 hat tricks is micheal Owen. It took him 48 games. It’s your own bias clouding why you can’t understand his hype. He currently 100% deserves it.


iDontKnowBro2020

Owen's debut was at 16, but I get your point


Cactiareouroverlords

It’s the city shirt affect, you watch his dortmund clips and you think “damn this guy looks really good” then you watch his city clips and you think “what a twat” As for the bootlicking It’s what the post Ronaldo vs Messi era will feel like, except Mpaypal is involved and the bootlicking will be more annoying, even when Haaland eventually moves out of the PL in a few years, Pundits over here wont shut up about him.


KGeedora

Hyping him up? I don't really understand what that means? He is an absolutely incredible player and injuries withstanding, could blitz records here. It is what it is, I don't really want what you expect I guess?


MisterS1997

He just look like a robot or something it’s unusual 😂


grrrrbow01

I don’t get what’s wrong with showing a bit of arrogance, literally every top player shows arrogance which is why they’re top players. He’s clearly a confident player who enjoys what he does and lives for scoring goals. Mo, VVD and Robbo are three players off the top of my head I can remember as being a bit arrogant, which isn’t a bad thing but I’m guessing you’d hate them if they played for city. You can’t deny he’s an incredible talent and at this point there’s no point trying to bring him down because City are far above our level


Yakust07

Get used to it he's only 22 the bootlicking is only gonna be more insane


Craft-Superb

When an Injury like Sepp’s happens who’s in charge of the rehab during the loan? Is it the club he’s currently on loan at or us?


ITickleMyElbows

I rewatched couple of replays and my thought is our defense is broken. Not just Trent, the entire backline + midfield is incapable of preventing goals. Defense wins game. Our attacking power is still there but we got nothing at the back. Honestly I feel like Klopp is loyal to a fault. Maybe drop Fab and try something new. City played without DM against United and steamrolled them. We need new idea, anything because at this state we got nothing. I also stopped reading post game interviews. I want to see result on the pitch.


Galahad789

Keane creaming himself about Ronaldo not starting is quite cringe this guy is convinced that a team has to be built around CR7. It doesn't. If Ronaldo fits Ten Hags vision then fine, but for Keane to excuse Ronaldos press (or lack there of) and insist on him being the first name on the team if he doesn't fit the vision is ludicrous. Kinda funny watching Utd get absolutely pumped though


Itskeelan

Fab's wife is a fascist? Oh no.


8u11etpr00f

You know like every Brazilian footballer is a Bolsonaro stan right? This isn't limited to Fab's missus. Richarlison is the only notable exception as far as I know


asso19

Oh goodness me. You guys don’t rest.


Craft-Superb

Source? I actually like her


Itskeelan

https://twitter.com/reebecatavares/status/1576523551666208768?t=1T2twIab82QfWjCkgTReDw&s=19


KGeedora

> https://twitter.com/reebecatavares/status/1576523551666208768?t=1T2twIab82QfWjCkgTReDw&s=19 oh fuck she's done it again. Fucking awful.


8u11etpr00f

Haaland has one less goal involvement than our entire team...and that's with half our goals coming in a single game lol In 2 games time he's almost certainly gonna overtake us, this is some Salah FC shit on crack.


YouCanCallMeAroae

There's another universe where City had their UCL ban upheld (remember that???) and they never got Haaland. *Sigh...*


iDontKnowBro2020

Rick and Morty need to pull some shit off


No-Economist3226

Can someone link me to the Twitter thread of someone pointing out that we're doing what pep did at one of his former clubs?


Stuarridge

Oxlade Chamberlain is simply a youtuber playing football on the side at this point


ungawa

I’m no expert but it seems like Klopp can’t motivate these players anymore. Our pressing, getting second balls and winning the ball back percentages have dropped dramatically. Is it about working so hard last season but losing the PL and CL trophies right at the death? Or is it just burnout?


iDontKnowBro2020

>working so hard last season but losing the PL and CL trophies right at the death? Or is it just burnout? Burnout is a consequence of the former


Stuarridge

Its not a coincidence that the players who hasnt been here the longest looks the sharpest. I dont think its a motivation problem, i think these players are simply run to the ground mentally and physically. Its why its important to continue to bring in fresh blood. The article in the Atheltic about the sporting department vs physios or whatever it was might back this up.


murrayjosh117

I think there is a number of factors here. World Cup in December will no doubt influence some of our players. It’s not right at all. Secondly ageing players in key positions. I think our confidence issues are fitness related. Some of these statistics have been in a downward trend for a few seasons now for some of our players. Thirdly injuries. Klopp has long championed 5 subs, but now it’s here we have so many injuries that this has actually become an advantage for the opponents. Lastly add the three reasons above to the rigid tactical approach. Players might get frustrated or even lose hope that there isn’t a pragmatic solution from the coaching staff, and that it’s all on the players. This could explain the slow start problems we’ve been having, with the group not confident of maintaining a level of intensity through the game.


CorztR

i think that could be part of it. klopp is an underdog-type motivator and these players have won all there is to win, they no longer see themselves as underdogs.


8u11etpr00f

Comes heavily down to FSG and Klopp imo FSG: Players push themselves year in year out and after all their efforts the club doesn't reinforce for a title push. Players know they have to be 8/10 every game for us to even stand a chance at winning the title, and most of our starters also know they can't be dropped. Klopp: Tactics clearly aren't working and yet the players are being asked to replicate them every single week. How are players supposed to be motivated when a manager is continually pushing a failing system on them? We could have been 4-0 down to Brighton and we'll be asked to go and play the same way next week.


dicksienormis

Just thinking back to the game vs Newcastle, the way in which we won that game should’ve been the spark to kickstart the season. They did everything to try and stop us but we still came out with the 3 points.


sonaldofds

It’s weird but I just want us to play again. To get over this shit show. Keeping in mind what this squad is capable of I still believe in these guys. In a way it’s the best thing that our next two matches are against top two. Win both those and we get a lot of momentum.


8u11etpr00f

>It’s weird but I just want us to play again. To get over this shit show. Me before pressing "Queue" whilst on a 10 loss streak at 3am


Astro3001

What would it realistically take for Klopp to be sacked this season?


hopscotch1818282819

I don’t think anything could lead to him being sacked this season. We could continue to be poor all season, and I’d still back him to stick around for next season. However, if we have a terrible season, and then show no signs of strengthening the squad over the summer, and then are poor again next season, then I think it’d be time to start questioning him staying on. At the end of the day, *nobody* is more important than the club. We have to focus on what’s best for the club, and if it ever gets to a point where that isn’t Klopp, then he should go. I don’t think we’re anywhere near that yet, though.


grrrrbow01

Unless we get relegated he won’t be sacked this season no matter what


dicksienormis

He doesn’t get sacked but if next season we don’t get Jude, he walks probably at the end of the season.


fukyduky

Relegation and a murder probably


Embarrassed_Cow_4321

Multiple of both more likely.


Relevant-Door1453

Not sure Stevie makes it to the end of October as Villa boss, which is a shame.


Astro3001

Its better for us since we know he probably isn't good enough to replace Klopp


hopscotch1818282819

I don’t think that’s happening regardless.


8u11etpr00f

He'd fit right in with our current form


kaci3po

My FPL team is just categorically fucked this year because I refuse to pick players from City (or United, but that's less relevant to my team being fucked). Everyone else is captaining Haaland every week and I'm in my little corner 20 odd points behind each week because my dumb ass had to go and have ~principles~.


Lucky_Editor446

- Man City got a cheatcode (Haaland) - The only team capable of giving competition (LFC) is down bad. - City look like winning the league even before half of season. - Football is dead. Only hopes on UCL to provide some fantastic/unpredictable football - Last year this sounded dumb but this time it makes sense to say "no need to kick the ball, just pack up and give the trophy to City" - it's waste of time watch PL now


Chemchut

Wait for City to bottle it against Maccabi Haifa


Lucky_Editor446

I hope your comment turns into a real life event.


Due-Sherbert3097

Just seen arrival about Van Dijk saying our season’s struggles is from teams figuring out how to play against our high line. Thing is that the point of a high line is to win the ball high and force errors from opponents. However, I can’t tell you the last time I remember our players actually winning the ball at all from a high press.


MajikoiA3When

Legs are gone and Trent pretends to defend at RB. If you watch him carefully he always presses and gets bypassed by one simple pass and doesn't care anymore.


Teb-41

And to wrap up the weekend beautifully, Sepp has been taken to the hospital after a tackle, apparently an ankle injury For fuck sake


SpookyBread1

hopefully Sepp is all good looked like an absolutely horrible injury


IWontStartFights

Sadly not. Our (Schalke) Manager was saying after the game it could be broken. Look at this and you will see why. Yikes: https://twitter.com/duzbar07X/status/1576614558747140096


SpookyBread1

yeah I don't even want to imagine how much pain that must cause It sucks too because from what I saw of Schalke matches he looked better week after week and was starting to look comfortable how has he played for you guys would you say?


IWontStartFights

How you said. Better and better. He was very important for his (slow) CB partner Yoshida because of his pace, but also because he was good in the air. What a shit day.


SpookyBread1

yeah, Kramer really isn't doing your team any favours just gutted for him, especially considering really he's just a kid


TheNotoriousJN

Sepp Van Den Berg looks to have had a serious ankle injury now at Schalke I cant be arsed.


EyeSpyGuy

Obviously it’s shit on Liverpool season, but how is Klopps comment that “they couldn’t really prepare for Brighton as they didn’t know what they’d do” as bad an excuse as it is. Obviously nothing can excuse performances like that regardless of the circumstances, but isn’t it factual that as the first game under their new manager it was unsure whether de Zerbi would try to slowly ease them in and play similar as they did under Potter, or just try to do it his way. Even assuming the latter, there’s no way for certain to know how much they’d actually look like a side like his. Liverpool in Klopps first game is night and day to the one now


Craft-Superb

Because if you’re as good a team as we think we are it shouldn’t matter what the other team does. We play our game and make them react


dansykerman

While that's true, we conceded the same goal three times yesterday that we've already conceded about 10 times this season. That's on our system, not Brighton's


Haunting_Genie

Just clocked we are behind newly promoted Fulham this season.


zigooloo

Worse, we actually have the same amount of points as Everton.


8u11etpr00f

We're one point above a team we beat 9-0, who'd have thought that game would be an EL 6-pointer.


KopiteTheScot

I can’t help but like Haaland. I know he plays for them but I can’t help it, he’s incredible. He’ll probably go down as the greatest striker in the history of the prem by the time he’s done if he doesn’t leave in the next two years.


Craft-Superb

You’re not upset he’s likely to break Mo’s record?


KopiteTheScot

I’d be a bit disappointed but not really, I’d rather trophies


dillipkr6999

We were level above anyone in the world in 2020 could have signed anybody?. Didn't sign backup cb after losing lovren . We needed a striker also a winger. What fsg did nothing pandemic excuse. Thanks to one of the best sporting director he brought in Thiago and jota creative thinking with financial tactics. It took 2years to get the 2020 needs a striker,winger, centre half. In the same period we lost two legends,three attackers. We got the excuse this season the right player. Let's see what will be next season?.


iDontKnowBro2020

Honestly, [what the hell](https://www.redbullcontentpool.com/news/AP-22FG2ASES2111) were we thinking not *trying* for Haaland?


nukhraa

> Let's see what will be next season? "we're not winning the title so what's the point?"


CarryOnUptheMorning

We’ve bought one midfielder since 2018 that's just insane unless you want to count Elliott


MisterS1997

Duck me were 4 pints above the drop zone and the teams below us are garbage 😳


throbdannway

This may be random but I don’t think I’ve ever seen Ronaldo hang out with his teammates. Even in Madrid.


zachmoss147

If you guys are starting to get frustrated at the PL like I am, especially after City’s performance today, I highly suggest watching the other top leagues. I’ll obviously never love any other club like I do Liverpool but I’m really enjoying Freiburg and Union in the bundesliga, and obviously Napoli and Roma in Serie A. Both leagues are incredible so far this year and watching them has really helped me still enjoy the sport


risingstar3110

Minus the Bournemouth match, how many goals have our midfield scored and assisted this season?


asso19

Anyways. I have hope. Bobby and Jota hate arsenal so maybe we win.


DLRsFrontSeats

We'll be mighty lucky to get 2 points from our next 2 league games


risingstar3110

2 wins out of 7, include 1 literally last minute winner against Newcastle. This could be one of the worst start ever for us in EPL. And we only played MU during that entire time. Still City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs to come The table does not lie. In fact probably flatter us. We are 100% midtable team atm


8u11etpr00f

Even our CL win was a last minute winner lol, we've been jammy af and our results are still this bad lol


IWontStartFights

I didn't knew where to write this. I'm a Schalke Fan and Sepp van den Berg probably broke his ankle joint in the Match 30 mins ago. I really hope it's not broken, but it looked pretty bad and he couldn't walk...


asso19

Damn. How was he doing prior to injury.


IWontStartFights

He was getting better and better every match. Comfortable on the ball and good in the air. A very good Thiaw replacement. This will hurt us a lot. He will be out for a pretty long time.


adamfrog

What position was he playing?


IWontStartFights

He is only playing RCB for us in a classic 4 ATB formation.


adamfrog

Cool, hes got the build for that but in his last loan he played right back, apparently very well too although in a much worse league


asso19

Damn.


arisefromtheashes

we're heading straight back to banter era again. Lube up.


Teb-41

Oh fuck off the radio started playing "Hey Jude" for the absolute Christ sake


lbrkr

This might be a bit off the wall but a thought keeps nagging at me that Pep L has been given more control this season and hence why we're playing differently. Someone else on here mentioned the similarities with which we're playing and Peps NEC team that failed. Was Jurgens contract extension about him easing off a little and building up Pep to take over in a few years therefore giving continuity? As I say it may be just late night thinking but there's more afoot than tiredness.


MisterS1997

Hope not the guy is a delusional narcissist. Who the fuck publishes a book as an assistant while still in management


Cactiareouroverlords

Yeah the video of him handing it out to our team too was enough to turn my body inside out with cringe


FrankBeamer_

You’re getting downvoted but it’s true. The book is in very bad taste. Talk to me when you’ve won 3 CLs in a row


Teb-41

That's cool and all, but where are you seeing that we're playing differently? Because we have the same issues


8u11etpr00f

Trent is a CAM mate


GeorgeLFC1234

Could you imagine if the PL was golden goal? We’d be in league 2 😭😭


neotonne

Chad invested Emirate hydrocarbon money vs Virgin German-American Austerity


Mirucias

Why cant we play: Nunez/Jota Diaz Carvalho/Firmino Salah Thiago Arthur/Fab Robbo - VVD - Matip - Trent Ali ​ (4-3-2-1) ​ OR ​ Diaz Nunez/Jota Salah Thiago Arthur/Fab Robbo Trent VVD Matip Konate (3-4-3) And before "Klopp doesn't know that system", if he can't adapt then we are doomed right now.


KopiteTheScot

1. Klopp’s stubborn. He’ll never change his ways if he believes the system works. 2. The system does work, and has done since his first season here. It obviously helps to be pragmatic but he has his reasons for sticking with what works. There’s clearly other deeper issues right now and we probably won’t find them out for another couple of years.


TylerZip

The answer is that Klopp seemingly doesn’t want to play that system. He believes in whatever tactics were supposed to be trying this season and isn’t going to ditch it. IMO it’s a mistake he deserves criticism for.


NilsFanck

if he doesnt adjust at all, I believe Klopp will not be our manager next season. Not that he will get sacked but I think he will walk. The current approach is really, and I mean REALLY, bad and winning with it will take exceptional individual performances. Trent drifting centrally and Salah so wide negates both their best attributes while ensuring we concede several high quality chances down the right damn near guaranteed.


Teb-41

Because it makes too much sense and we don't like that


chairdesktable

or we just commit to the 442 we've run in games. its the one formation that makes the most sense, a back 3 is an entire system change and you can't do it overnight.


Mirucias

We have 10 points in seven games without playing City, Arsenal and Chelsea. After a month break we draw to Brighton, but you think we should do the same as we have?


chairdesktable

we haven't fully committed to the 442, and when we have its the times when we've looked like we actually know how to kick a ball. against united, cp, and Newcastle we swapped over to it 2nd half, last 30 and looked infinitely better. same as last year. so no, its not the "same", and its a formation that actually suits our players instead of people randomly dreaming of a back 3. we've never done it for a full game, except for some really long spurts last season.


Testavansnob

Out of the league race in October (unless we win 29,of the remaining 31) and haaland has scored nearly 20 goals already. Wtf


GeorgeLFC1234

We know this season is a write off let’s just focus on top 4 for now and be happy if we can get that safely


Testavansnob

We shouldn’t be writing off a season when we’re still with our best squad ever and they’re aging. Klopp needs to change something


GeorgeLFC1234

No of course however looking at city they won’t drop enough points for us to overtake them that’s my point the seasons a write off for the title


Testavansnob

Yeah. Need to push hard to win CL and cups again


MonkResponsible7162

If you watch Moneyball, the prevailing sentiment is “it’s an unfair game”. The same is true here. This Man City empire pushed and provoked and gutted our boys until it made us literally an unstoppable force of nature 19/20. Klopp’s story is still being written so who knows, but if he walked today at least we can reflect that he took us out of the mud and made all our dreams come true. The Man City project has destroyed football and it will not be remembered as they removed the one thing that keeps the game going, jeopardy. Their story is not the team on the pitch today, but all the players they have bought and sold. They could make a squad of players that they just wrote off or didn’t even need to succeed and it would cost more than ours. I refuse to laud them for signing well, when they equally do not sign well, it just doesn’t matter when it happens. It’s not a dynasty if you cheat beyond measure and bastardize the sport to the point of irrelevance. I think that over half our squad are now a combination of physically and emotionally done, beyond the point of recovery. I honestly think Virgil is the latter. He’s the best in the world but his efforts are being rendered not good enough by those cheats. He didn’t clear the ball yesterday, but when he cleared every single ball for 5 years we still lost the league twice by a point. It’s absolutely haunting. Our boys will be remembered and they won’t be, I’m certain of it. Head up.


Gerrardsclubfoot

What has man city got to do with fsg and their 20 p transfer business each season. Man city hasn't stopped us from investing in the squad now have they.


MonkResponsible7162

Don’t miss the big picture brother


Gerrardsclubfoot

Sometimes we need to look inwards instead of outwards when assigning blame in all honesty brother. Yes man city are cheats, it's isn't fair, pl should do something but then what's the point we can only exist in the time given to us. I would have agreed with your points if FSG were doing their max to help the coach and the club. Considering our outlay whats happening with us, was bound to happen.


saddest_backflip

This level of delusion is mind-boggling.


MisterS1997

I agree with the zero jeopardy point and bastardising the league. They have sponsors who don’t even exist inflating their income . Either they have the best financial team ever or they cook the books. Which is more likely


MonkResponsible7162

What do you think is going on then? Like what’s your opinion. I’m happy to be wrong


glycerethe

https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xtpi7n/man_utd_fans_leaving_the_ethiad_before_the_end_of/iqr1rar/ Saw this comment on r/soccer, it made my day, a scum fan blaming it on his club's foreign fans for leaving ETHIHAD. LOL!


Constant_List6829

But hes not blaming anyone?


glycerethe

That's what he wants you to think. No way his first thought would be saying those are foreign fans, it's hard enough for those fans to get a ticket, let alone an away ticket, let alone an away ticket against City, he's using the foreign fans so the locals don't have to be blamed for leaving the stadium, just look at the clueless replies.


Yakust07

City fans are soo insufferable


asso19

What fans?


murphy_1892

The Cit-ourists


MajikoiA3When

Boy after watching City I can't wait for Klopp to sub on Milly at 60' against Saka. Also Haaland is scoring a hattrick against us for sure.


FrankBeamer_

I’m convinced VVD is saving himself for the World Cup, which pisses me off no end. Club legends like Terry and Ferdinand gave it their all year in year out regardless of circumstances and it is unacceptable to me how our ‘best ever’ defender is coasting given his wages.


TheNotoriousJN

Van Dijk: “Brighton are a very good side, they played good football today, they want to play football and they did, they insisted on it, they did well, we didn't, but a point is better than losing." A point is better than losing. Fucking hell. You were winning. "Mentality monsters" aye?


hopscotch1818282819

All of his interviews have been poor so far. It’s been very much just: “We could have played better, but next game will be different.” Over and over again. At least I can appreciate Klopp acknowledging that there’s something wrong here.


Teb-41

My brother A point is better than losing? Really?


FrankBeamer_

I genuinely thought he was our next captain after hendo but his leadership this season has been appalling


TheNotoriousJN

The whole interview is terrible. Basically "yeah things are bad, we dont know why, not sure how we'll fix it but we'll fix it dont worry"


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gupibagha

I think all of them fucked up. But FSG doesn’t give a damn, so from their perspective, they didn’t fuck up. So it leaves Klopp and Ward/transfer team.


MajikoiA3When

FSG were too complacent after Klopp produced miracles by running the team into the ground. Now we have no depth, no midfield, and worst of all no money to buy players.


MisterS1997

Arrogance has ruined us this summer. We need like 400 million investment to compete with this. They kept pushing getting new players down the line now the market is even more inflated so they have to pay more 😂 genius planning


asso19

It’s nunez signing for me. I thought liverpool would be smarter in transfer window. I expect £80m+ signing to hit ground asap.


8u11etpr00f

"Yeah but the £9m Robbo signing took 6 months to get going" yada yada. The difference between this and the Robbo/Fab signings is that they were only a part of our business, Nunez was essentially our entire summer and as such the expectations are higher.


Jaja6996

I expected more from him but he’s not been as bad as everyone is making out and he’s hardly played for us


8u11etpr00f

Hardly featuring is not a point to defend him over tbh, that's indicative that he's not impressing enough to play


JonathanFisk86

Not to mention why he missed three games


8u11etpr00f

😭 I almost forgot


Jaja6996

I mean it was the same with Fab he didn’t feature until near Christmas and then put on that horror show again Arsenal not everyone is going to come in and adapt quickly


asso19

Nah. I’m not saying he is a bad player. I’m just saying he style doesn’t fit liverpool or Klopp side.


barryboi6969

I think he doesn't fit what we expect Liverpool to play like, but the system and playstyle is changing clearly and they feel that Nunez is the right player for this new direction


Alissonfly

The funny things is.. Wtf we trying to achieve with no plan b.. When we start either firmino and jota, we cross almost every minute but when nunez in starting lineup we never cross ball maybe a few times. Baffling to me.. Substitutions fuckin awful.. With klopp


asso19

Fair play. Lets see.


FrankBeamer_

It’s a mixture of all of the above, but mostly FSG with a bit of Klopp


Significant-Tea8004

Didn’t watch the game yesterday. Did we revert back to Trent underlapping and forcing Salah to hug the touchline again? We went back to wide full backs and narrow forwards against Ajax and battered them for most of the game; I can’t comprehend why we’d revert back to the system that clearly isn’t working.


chairdesktable

1) we did 2) no idea why, its a weird tactical change.


Totty_potty

Jesus Christ. City just ate United alive. We are about to get trounced.


zennX

Them and Arsenal are gonna eat us alive unfortunately


johny67876

At least we know not to expect anything from liverpool for the next two games.


jaychowbjj

Watch us thump them both now. No better teams to do it against.


DLRsFrontSeats

Lol I honestly wish I could be as optimistic as some of the rest of you


FrankBeamer_

I don’t follow the media brigade/ITKs of other rivals that closely but are their club mouthpieces as blatantly PR driven as ours are? It just feels like the club owns ‘journalists’ like Pearce and Joyce, and their PR driven spiel to defend the club’s interests is blatant with how they’re speaking about Bellingham potentially being too expensive, or hyping up Arthur over the international break to make it appear like he may turn things around. I just wonder if other clubs are so obviously controlling the narrative like ours seems to do under FSG. From what I know, United doesn’t seem to be as obvious about it. idk about the rest


JonathanFisk86

Joyce isn't quite like the others, but the fans have been 'managed' by FSG's PR through mouthpieces ever since they came in. It works a charm with how often you hear our fans parrot narratives straight from Pearce around sustainability and transition periods and what not. I'm told they do this over in the States as well, never really speaking to the fans directly at all. Most egregiously, over the last few years they've cunningly roped in even the independent fan podcasts with club exclusives to boost their paid subscriber base and these channels have lost all integrity as a result. It's embarrassing. I really don't understand how more fans, particularly in the city, aren't sick to death of them yet.


Gerrardsclubfoot

No club PR is as bad as ours. Any positive is written by multiple journalists like the simple thing of a player in last chance saloon trying to be fit was written up by the likes of Joyce, Pearce and others. But when things are going bad you will never hear anything from the same journalists, no plan to change things what the club is going to do nothing, unless you are reading Pearce's column for the athletic which is hardly anything to write home about.


FrankBeamer_

It’s just so obvious and pisses me off at how they’re insulting our intelligence. We can see right through it.


Gerrardsclubfoot

>We can see right through it. Apparently not everyone on this sub can. People like Mellisa Reddy and Pearce have well paying jobs, they don't need to do this anymore. Also quite hypocritical of them to talk about online abuse when they gaslight fans continuously and not expect them to push back.


napoleonboneitis

So the premier league is definitively ruined, the champions league is being ruined, the world cup is ruined. There's plenty of entertaining football across Germany, Spain and Italy, and in some lower leagues. But for the most part, football at the very top of the pyramid is a rotten corpse and the sport is best experienced on a participating level, not as a spectator.


Teb-41

Man, sometimes I watch my local 5 a side team play, or other games in minor leagues, and it's so passionate and beautiful in any way. You never know who goes up, or down, you never know how a game will go and the players simply play for the love of the shirt and the city, not for the money and stuff like that. It's the kind of things that made me fall in love with football in the first place, and the thought that this is disappearing from the beautiful game (especially in the big stages), as time goes on, you know, it's so depressing Idk just my two cents


ITickleMyElbows

Let's face it, even if Haaland not turning this into a farmer league, we would not have been anywhere near the top this year. The whole team feels exhausted. Maybe some psychologist help would turn thing around, i dont know. But being a lifelong fan means sticking to the team through good and bad. This is a bad year but hopefully the bright side is Fabio, Harvey have games to develop. Im still not sold on Nunez, but we will see.


Icy-Perspective8600

Through thick and thin I'll always support this club.


glycerethe

I'm going to predict scum fans are going to protest against the Glazers again like they did before the game against us, the silence in between is funny though.