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TheIraqiMaestro

Darwin Nunez has largely been ineffective. Still not convinced about this signing.


SwampPotato

I think he is in a tough spot right now. In previous years, Liverpool signings arrived in a stable team that performed well and where everyone knew their job. After Mane leaving the entire team is sort of at loss, with players recalibrating their style of play. If Mo is out of form (bit early for that but for now it looks like it), then you're a young lad basically on your own. This is a problem that also troubled some ManU signings in the past. It's not easy to be new and adjust in an environment that is not flourishing.


mrshandanar

Agreed. Not a fan of him so far.


Arabella-18

Midfield is too disjointed to judge him just yet. Plus he needs a run of games


InterruptingCar

City should have lost their game, so by rights we'd be a point closer to them today.


alexefy

Why?


InterruptingCar

Apparently Coutinho's goal shouldn't have been ruled out.


alexefy

A point everyone is missing is that the whistle goes and ederson makes 0 attempt to save it. He probably saves it otherwise. Still a stupid decision


alexefy

A point everyone is missing is that the whistle goes and ederson makes 0 attempt to save it. He probably saves it otherwise. Still a stupid decision


a_guy_called_craig

Without Pickford having a worldy we absolutely hammer them, some of the takes from you doom merchants are ludicrous.


BilbosTROLL

Robbo, Matip, VVD, Trent. Hendo, fab, Tiago. Salah, Bobby, Diaz. This is the lineup we need to start consistently (and with Jota on the bench) if we are to compete. But with hendo and Tiago out it really fks with the balance. Sorry, but after Nunez headbutt I have really low expectations for him. Hoping he'll prove me wrong, but I'd bet you a bunch he will flop.


Comfortable-Ad5050

Nunez was unlucky to score. One lapse of anger does not decide the player


HuddzHD

For a club that gets almost everything right ‘tis season will go down as one of the worst decision making in the prem. What the hell were the club/recruitment team thinking


mooe2

The season we lost van dik and had to bring a Turkish CB ?


Craft-Superb

I don’t understand the injury argument. We have arguably our best 11 available outside of Thiago. Or is Thiago so crucial that he’s the reason we’re struggling? If that’s the case that’s negligence to not bring in a real backup for him


mooe2

Defensive midfield, lack of quality creative midfield , city you have KDB , KDB not in his day ? Comes di Silva Arnold + roberson not performing the way they could , teams sit back and go for counterattacks ? Works like magic vs Liverpool especially with a midfield of 19 yo olds , Milner has grown old and so is Henderson? Yup , many injury prone players ? Yup and it will happen again and again as long as we keep the injury prone players


evilhomer450

Thiago covered up alot of tactical and personnel issues. We’ve never been able to bridge the gap between a fully defensive Gini/Hendo/Fab and a midfield that can control and create. Slotting in Thiago let us do that to a degree.


AeronReformed

Yes, Thiago is that important to this team. I only wish for Arthur to replicate half of what Thiago does on the pitch because if he doesn't, it will be a long season.


KP3889

Klopp made a wise decision not to renew but only to extend by two years. He will leave after this.


alwayshazthelinks

You should leave, now


yosemite_marx

Excited to cheer for my team assnal tmrw


NietzschesSyphilis

FSG will never be forgiven if they drive Klopp to leave because of the lack of investment.


Craft-Superb

You say that but you’ll have people saying “be grateful for FSG they hired Klopp”


BigMacMcLovin

The intensity is missing. Our press is laughable right now. We have gone from rushing everything to trying to appear relaxed and just recycling possession until we try to force a pass and lose the ball The team has changed alot since January and I feel like (and hope) its just the new players bedding in. We have hardly managed a swift counter in the 6 games so far. I don't know if that's because teams are sitting deeper or if it's an issue with us, maybe both? We've seen glimpses of brilliance when we turn the tempo up (e.g last 10 minutes against Everton) but its not consistent I wonder if it's a change in tactic, the change in personnel or a mental issue. Robertson has been average so far and Trent looks like he's trying too hard, forcing passes and therefore looking wasteful. The fullbacks have always been so central to the progression of the ball and their poor form is killing us. Again, tactics or something else? Something to note though, most teams so far are performing out of character so far. Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham for example. Could it be the short preseason and early start to the season? It's just all very weird right now


rollanotherlol

Gegenpressing is a narrow central concept and right now our midfield 10/8 drifts wide to build triangles with the wings — pressing doesn’t work with play stretched in this manner, hence the lowered press intensity. It’s a tactical directive that’s failed. Our lack of success on the counter is because our final ball is lacking. Diaz is not a great passer and our midfield pass percentages are also low.


Maverick_8160

Really frustrating to watch tbh. I think Darwin was really ineffective, he was chasing the ball everywhere and constantly out of position, way too deep or in the same space as Luis Diaz. Real shocker from Trent. Don't understand why the best player in the team is playing way outside on the touchline. Salah could have such a larger impact if he was playing more inside, he might actually be a consistent threat. Right now he needs to beat 2-3 defenders to create a chance from how far outside he's playing. VVD had some rough moments again, I thought his yellow card was deserved and it looked really poor that he stood over the opponent he just spiked. Looked like VVD was trying to convince him he was fine, when clearly he was actually hurt. Alisson did really well today, several great saves. I can see moments of quality but they're very fleeting. Lost track of the number of attacks ruined today by an errant pass. Hoping they can continue to improve and come back strong next week back at Anfield


Herr_Tilke

Salah has been playing more outside towards the end of last season and through the beginning of this season. It opens up space in the middle for Bobby when he plays in the 9, and also allows for Trent to come inside as more of a box to box role at times. I agree that it doesn't play to Salah's strengths, and we could probably occupy more defenders by playing him more aggressively and hoping for teams to double him up. I don't think the strategy is working as intended, but teams have figured out our past game plans where we played directly to our own strengths without as much regard for how the opposition would react.


lolowalsh

Other rivals fans seem to actually have point. Some of our top red fans have a fetish for playing the victim mentally and its honestly tiring hearing the same shite over and over like we are some mid table team with no ambitions. Football has evolved. Every single team spends top dollar to stay on top not just City. If our owners want to be stuck in the Rodgers days then they can fuck off back to Boston and sell this club to someone who actually cares. Now we are put in situation where we have to spend at least £150 mill + because we need more than 1 midfielder.


yosemite_marx

I've been saying it forever but i dont think they're worse than any other fanbases "influencers" or whatever theres just more liverpool fans so more people see them being annoying as fuck


Hopsblues

You understand they've invested heavily into the training ground and now, again, Anfield? Increasing capacity to generate more revenue? You understand they had to balance the books? Not be some club that is bankrupt? You know how close to the 5 titles this team damn near won...last year? But you think the ownership doesn't care?


klopptimus-prime

Unfortunately if you want success then investing into a football club is a constant, ongoing thing. No one denies FSG have made investments, but recently they've rested on their laurels too long and been rightly called out for it. You see this with the majority of football club owners where at some point they seem to think they've put in enough (even though with us the club's own revenue pays for it) and can just use the club as a cash cow for awhile. It doesn't work and FSG need to finally realise that. They've made mistakes in the past and owned them, hopefully they'll do the same now.


Hopsblues

I'm guessing you just started following the team this season. Last year they won three trophies and lost the league title on the final day. FSG is investing heavily into the team. Liverpool has had about as much success you could hope for the last 5 years. You should do a little homework and research how successful the club has been under FSG leadership.


Psychological-Act582

Why are you assuming everyone you don't agree with has "just followed the team this season?"


Hopsblues

Because you clearly didn't watch this team last year or the last few years if you think they aren't succesful or investing in players.


Psychological-Act582

We aren't successful in strengthening the midfield. Ox and Keita are basically no shows due to their horrendous injury history, Fabinho has gotten slow and needs a backup so he shouldn't have to play all the time, Thiago is quality but also has a bad injury record, Henderson is getting older and declining. We literally have no midfielders in the mid-20s age range, either all approaching 30 or over or they are simply young.


Hopsblues

I have trust in Klopp and FSG.


Psychological-Act582

Investing in the ground will not magically make the squad better or attract talents, it's all there to increase the wealth of the club. With record revenues, prize money, and higher commercial revenue, there is no excuse to go out and bring in two squad reinforcements in midfield that can put in a solid shift and improve both starting XI and depth.


Hopsblues

They brought in Carvahlo and now Arthur...maybe you just started watching this season. They won three trophies last year and lost the Prem title on the final day. It's always good to have new fans, but do some homework before you bitch about shit you don't know about.


Psychological-Act582

Carvalho is more of an AM and although he is one to watch for the future, he isn't in the 23-27 age profile of midfielder we need. Arthur Melo was only signed at the last minute but especially when Henderson got injured. You're the one that needs to stop bitching. Also, we didn't win three trophies last year.


Hopsblues

I'm not bitching, I'm just pointing out tht we signed two MF's, and yes we won three trophies last season. The only two we didn't win was CL and the Prem.


Psychological-Act582

If you're referring to the Community Shield, it doesn't really count and is just a preseason friendly. I'm glad we signed Arthur, but the club dragging their feet and not signing a more senior midfielder for the entire window until the last minute (went after Tchouameni but no plan B targets after that) is inexcusable.


Hopsblues

Try telling that to the team. How do you know if the club went after players or not? Do you work in the front office? Like I said, it's always good to have new fans, but you really should do some homework before you start bitching.


Psychological-Act582

Why don't you stop bitching about fans you disagree with? You really are blind to our midfield problems.


hapticfeedback7

Who do you think we should sell the club to?


Psychological-Act582

A businessman that is willing to open their pockets when needed (Boehly mentioned) but also not ones like the Glazers who spend recklessly. And definitely not an oil state.


LukeFowlerM8

The Glazers that have put £0 of their own money in and taken £1bn pounds out of the club? Those Glazers?


Psychological-Act582

And Man United fans always want to protest against them despite the Glazers giving them shiny new toys like Casemiro.


PrimeMessiTheGOAT

Literally someone like boehly


nexusx27

An american businessman like todd boehly and not john henry.


SuperTorRainer

I wonder if FSG would make more money with just Liverpool in selling the Red Sox so they could go all in with us? I know that TV rights are huge in baseball, in most regions it carries organizations with low attendance. The rosters in baseball are quite big and they have triple a and double a teams to cover the cost of too whereas there's only the academy here plus the extra income of Champion's League eah season. I'm sure they could find a seller for Red Sox easily as make Liverpool a monster. FSG saved us in October 2010. They've extended Anfield as promised but I can only imagine how much if a monster we'd be on the field if Klopp could have the players he wants year after year.


Herr_Tilke

FSG takes yearly earnings from the Red Sox, that money goes into LFC as loans and other forms of support. The only money FSG takes out of LFC are loan repayments, they do not take a dividend like the Glazers do at United. Without the Red Sox FSG wouldn't have the capacity to invest in LFC, and while the sale of the Red Sox *could* mean more funds for us, it probably would just be paid out to shareholders.


klopptimus-prime

Curious as to what your source for that info is? Not saying you're wrong, just surprised such in-depth financial info is available for analysis.


SuperTorRainer

Ah I see, thank you so much for your detailed response


SuperTorRainer

Meant to say this earlier but yes, Van Dijk's tackle was a bad one today, it's still today in Toronto, but please Frank, Pickford ended Van Dijk's season in one game and some other lad tried to end Thiago's life right in front of Matip.


nexusx27

Honestly think Klopp might have to rethink the position of his assistant. Yes we almost won the quad last season but almost will always be almost and nothing to be proud of. And it is also true when Pep started to take position, our injuries skyrocketed, over reliance on Milner due to his 'experience'. Experience wins you games that you had a lead,not a game that you're chasing. Genuinely think Klopp's stubborness to change formation from 433 is due to him as well as Salah's role change too it is honestly getting annoying. And please shut the fuck up if youre gonna say Im being reactionary when all games this season,Salah gets involved if he is closer to the box rather than hugging the sideline. One thing that is consistent however, is our ability to concede first due to this iteration of 4-3-3 we are applying. We really need to revert back to the 4-3-3 pre diaz/afcon and we will start seeing massive improvements on each of our players.


ElegantQuantity6298

almost will always be almost and nothing to be proud of. Speak for yourself. I think it's a very pride-worthy achievement what we did last season. No we didn't get all the silverware we were hoping for, but that doesn't take away from the incredible effort it took to get us to those positions.


MisterS1997

Think pep is a little in over his head publishing books. Calm down and stop giving away all our secrets while we’re still playing 😂


nexusx27

Exactly,people write books nearing retirement or accomplishing something major but him writing one after an almost quadruple by winning the worst possible 2 combination.


MisterS1997

It’s extended cringey especially getting players to promote it because you lack self belief it will actually sell naturally


nexusx27

It's cringey when all those time spent writing could've been used to think about our team's development but i'd be pushing it lol


sleepypanda006

Was really great seeing Mo’s performance of the invisible man today at Goodison


nexusx27

If you have the time, watch Mo before afcon and after afcon mate you'll realise something off. If you haven't, I'll summarise, pre afcon Mo is allowed to drift inwards and get into good scoring positions. Now, he is basically playing on the sidelines making it hard for him to cut inwards.Yes he scored a few goals this season but if you realised those mostly came in 2nd half where tactics are tweaked into 4-4-2 and him being more central


asillydaydreamer

Yes, Klopp planned to change our play style since last season. Besides Mo playing wider, Trent started to enter half space more regularly. The idea is quite good but the operation is nowhere near expectation. Thanks to Mane and Diaz we had the magical run last season. Once Trent and Mo adapt new tactics, maybe we will be a title contender again. Now Im happy if we end up in top 4 this season, just chill and give the team time to adapt


nexusx27

I disagree, it looks good on paper with trent being able to be creative from MF rather than his usual overlapping run but it simply is not the best idea pushing your best finisher away from finishing positions. It simply is just lazy thinking to cover one flaw of 4-3-3 without realising another flaw it brings. I know this is due to Nunez coming in where he is a proper 9 but in all honesty,our narrow front 3 has worked for the whole time eventhough they were occupying the same area so it shouldn't just 'not work' with him coming in.


sleepypanda006

It’s horrible — we need a 4231 Fabinho & Thiago / Arthur in the double piv with Bobby / Carvalho / Elliott in the 10. Diaz Darwin Salah up top. Our play has become incredibly vertical


asillydaydreamer

Yes its horrible now, both Trent and Mo seem like they have no idea what to do on the pitch. I dont know why Klopp had the idea that we should change the play style while the old one is still reliable, maybe to prepare for the next generation in 1-2 years. On the other hands, run less possess more is better for long term competition, change is good but why not taking the high ground in the first half and try the new one when we already dominate the game.


nexusx27

I agree mate, it isn't even our usual cross and inshallah it really has become long diagonals and switches.


sleepypanda006

Yeah the shift in tactics has absolutely neutered him. I completely agree


NietzschesSyphilis

After every Liverpool game this season, it becomes more obvious that we missed a signing in Nkunku. FSG need to realise that penny pinching is not good business and actually spend.


xboner15

Oh but it’s great business. Just shit entertainment lol.


CJVCarr

On a "rival" note, unbridled joy to see the dumb pigeon rip off his shirt to celebrate his first Spurs goal, only for it to be bottled back up by VAR.


Pilchardandfudge

We have had difficult start times tbf Mondays and 12.30 starts


hapticfeedback7

People need to quit fucking crying. It's not an ideal start by no means and a good few of our players are way off the pace but don't be quick to forget the joy this team has given us over the past few seasons. We are in a transitional period and seeing new, exciting young players get their opportunity is part of what football is all about. Stop listening to snide remarks from pundits and fans from clubs who are fucking irrelevant and remember we are Liverpool. We support our manager and players here in the good times and the bad. YNWA.


Picaloco86

How is it a transitional season? Selling Mane can't be a reason for it to be transitional, injuries and the lack of options addressing those key areas is where the issue is


lolowalsh

Fuck off with transitional shit. Its not like we signed multiple players that need to adjust to the league. We have the same squad as last year bar 1 player and we were shit where he didn't even play. This is on Klopp and the FSG for lack of investments not strengthening the team, now we have bunch of old midfielders deadwood players who add nothing to this team.


hapticfeedback7

But were they deadwood when you were dancing around your living room as they won the FA Cup and League Cup last year? What changed? Three draws?


lolowalsh

Milner, Keita, OX are all deadwood who offer nothing to this team, Henderson legs are gone. And both the FA cup and League Cup were won on pens after we struggled to score, further highlighting how badly this team needed fresh blood in the midfield.


hapticfeedback7

Ox deadwood yes. Milner's experience is invaluable and Keita's contract situation is really unfortunate as when he's on form he fits very well into our system. Won the cups on pens? That's Manc fan bullshit so enough of that. Doesn't matter how you win trophies so long as you win them.


nexusx27

Transitional period?We only removed one starter in Mane and replaced him with a very capable striker. We are just missing thiago the most.With him back,youll hardly call this transitional.


hapticfeedback7

I mean transitional more in the sense that we are adapting to a new way of being. We are bringing new players into the fray and giving youth a chance. It's a new Liverpool team in terms of starters and subs.


nexusx27

Disagree, it is a tactical tweak yes but hendo naby and thiago are literally injured which is why the whole team are disjointed.


hapticfeedback7

Yeah absolutely. Injuries are moreso the issue rather than the overall strategy.


nexusx27

For the most part yes but it is also true Klopp is ruining Salah by playing him out wide rather than inverted


hapticfeedback7

Klopp is ruining Salah by playing him in the position where he's scored a shitload of goals season after season. OK.


nexusx27

Your lack of football knowledge is shocking if you think the role Salah is playing pre afcon 21/22 is the same as his current role. Yes he has 4G/A in 6 games but all of them have came on the 2nd half after Klopp's HT tactical change which benefits him more than our initial starting tactic except for man u where he scored from a setpiece. Why do you think he had no piece of any during our 9-0 win? 🤔🤔


sleepypanda006

Lol yeah results don’t matter it’ll be fine if we get Europa league we will definitely get Bellingham then. We can be pissed and still be supporters. We deserve better, the club deserves better


hapticfeedback7

Of course results matter. A few draws at the start of a season after one of our greatest seasons in living memory don't warrant a petulant meltdown, though.


lolowalsh

People don't want to go back to Rodgers days where our best goal was to secure a top 4 spot. We have 1 PL to show for during our golden era where we could've had more if he was properly backed.


sleepypanda006

Last season’s success has nothing to do at all with this season’s failures. In fact it makes it all the more concerning that we performed so well last year and have looked a shadow of the team that almost won the quad, struggling to beat teams we should dominate. Last season we lost 2 and drew 8 of 38 and still didn’t win the title. So far we’ve lost 1 and drawn 3 and we’re 6 games in. All the while our owners are lining their pockets and we are watching as our heroes literally run themselves into the ground, our press beset by malaise and sluggishness. If we can’t beat teams like Everton, Fulham, and Palace, how on earth are we going to compete with teams who are actually prepared to challenge for silverware? I’d say now more than ever is a time for a meltdown, because I have never seen the team look so dysfunctional


Yayo_Mateo

With the amount of money we make we probably shouldn't be in a 'transition' period. I suppose that's the point of a lot of the frustrating.


hapticfeedback7

Unless you are an oil club you will always have periods of transition. We may have money but we invest it in a way that reaps rewards over time rather than instantly.


Yayo_Mateo

We have the same net spend as Leicester over the past 5 years


hapticfeedback7

You mean the past five years where we have won the Champions League, the Premier League, the FA Cup, the League Cup, the Super Cup and the Club World Cup?


Yayo_Mateo

Yes those years. Where we should have been using our success to attract the very best and buy the very best so that we didn't enter a so called 'transition'


sleepypanda006

Precisely this.. it’s insane that some people are trying to normalize a “transition” — this isn’t really a thing for top teams


hapticfeedback7

Spend a fortune on transfer fees and wages for players to sit on the bench until we need them seasons later? We aren't City. Liverpool deserve immense credit for winning so much with such a sensible business model. We've had a very average start to the season. It's too early for navel gazing.


lolowalsh

Then we should have owners that care about the club and invest then. We aren't a mid table team, we are Liverpool with a worldwide fanbase and ton of history. If the FSG aren't willing to support the club then they can fuck off back to Boston. I'm honestly fucking tired of our super fans playing victim mentality. Football has evolved, every single team spends now to stay on top not just City.


Yayo_Mateo

I'm not going to change your mind so I'm going to keep writing this down. But yes we aren't city, but we aren't Bournemouth either (yes another club we have a similar net spend to). We will look back on this era and think how wonderful it was. But also a what could have been thought as well.


hapticfeedback7

Yeah I will think back on what could have been. Imagine if we could have won every trophy possible in a mere three years.


Hot_Plate_Williams

This is going to be one of those games where people will wrongly take positives from the performance because Pickford made some good saves. Tactically, the first half was an absolute mess and the chances came from Everton opening up thinking they could win the game and a couple set pieces. Nothing we really did was a result of good patterns of play.


VirgilCanDijk

Daily reminder that FSG are cunts


Supkingz123

I like to see Melo Fab and Bobby Midfield against Napoli.


nexusx27

Thiago Fab Elliot will play


murrayjosh117

Anyone else think the Nunez shot was like a flashback to Torres vs Blackburn


KopitesForever

My dad definitely did


VirgilCanDijk

I didn't personally. Nunez chested the ball while running towards goal. Torres had his back to goal, chested the ball down and then hit it on the turn, from outside the box. Other than being a long ball from a CB that the striker chested down and shot, I don't really see much resemblance.


AeronReformed

Don't let the result today distract you from the fact that Everton are still shite and haven't won a trophy since 1995. The definition of a tinpot club.


lavishlad

just rewatched the highlights and i do believe we created enough to win the game by our finishing standards - sometimes its just not meant to be. it hurts but in my time as a fan ive realized the lows always create better highs. theres also the feeling of dread about possibly going back to our period of "mediocrity", but that's just the cyclical nature of football. if there is a non-football flaw with the team, bad owners maybe, direct your anger towards that. toxicity towards our squad, tactics or manager will only hurt our performance even more by creating a shitty atmosphere around our side. one thing that set us apart from other big clubs was our fans and how they stuck by the team no matter what level they were at. maybe it helped we were shit before the internet became such a thing, because ive see united and arsenal fans shitting on their own managers and felt happy because i knew it was hurting them even more. but even with the internet, there's a reason liverpool fans are known to be so much more delusional than other fans - because we support our team no matter what and think we can beat anyone on our day - no matter the squads available. i cant help but feel social media has had a negative impact on the anfield atmosphere, with people more worried about failing and facing others than getting behind the team to the end no matter what. we're really only singing when we're comfortably winning now.


nexusx27

To be fair it's not the chances we lack, it's clinical finishing. Well I guess it happens when your best finisher is instructed to stay as far as possible from positions easier for him to score.


8u11etpr00f

Just saw our next 5 league games: Wolves (H), Chelsea (A), Brighton (H), Arsenal (A), City (H). Is it crazy to feel that every single one of these matches will be an uphill struggle to win? If we don't improve I honestly expect something like 7 points, and I don't take those 7 points for granted by any means. RemindMe! 16 Oct 2022


_HotButteryCopPorn_

Based on CURRENT form, we’re going to get 5 points in total from those 5 fixtures. Really worried about what City and Arsenal will do against our high line especially since we’ve forgotten how to press I don’t see how things are magically going to improve even if Thiago returns. Morale is low, really seems like they haven’t recovered from losing the UCL final and losing out to City on the last day Would love it if they prove me wrong though.


Supkingz123

Thiago is back in training on Monday, we are desperate for him to pick up our passing tempo. Gomez looked great today but Matip dribble will be needed as well. Jota got some time as well. We really need these guys to kick us back into gear. VVD, TAA,Robbo,Fab and Salah have been lacking really badly this season.


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8u11etpr00f

Klopp has dragged a team with barely any investment over the past half decade to the precipice of a quad. I think we owe him a bit of patience, especially given that once again we spent fuck all.


Important_Tip_2775

Fucking hell, go back to bed little child.


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motioneso

Looks like they like to pop into any teams sub and say the coach/manager needs to be fired. What a boring life...


Frootysmothy

There's still time to not be an absolute knob


chickencuminme

[Think Tony Bellew wins dumbest tweet of the season](https://twitter.com/TonyBellew/status/1566073564461236224)


Pmag86

[He set himself up for this great comeback tho](https://twitter.com/keiran193/status/1566079582473781248?s=20&t=nbDcmMwhOig4eSgu4PEQuw)


Eloni

Anyone else see how Tchouaméni played today? Pain. Imagine if he was in our squad now.


cornontheklopp

paaaain


rossmosh85

They let Casemiro go after having the guy for preseason. They didn't even need to see him perform in league action. He's going to be a beast for Madrid.


igotbabydick

was he good?


Eloni

[He was outstanding.](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/x4y9bu/fotmob_aur%C3%A9li%C3%A9n_tchouameni_vs_real_betis_66/)


Jaja6996

Best players on the pitch


yeahnope_00

How much of this poor start are you putting on Mane absence? Or what are you putting it down to?


cazzul

Mane out Nunez in is obviously an (immediate) downgrade, but lots of time and room for Nunez to improve. There’s a big drop in form of a number of players as well as effort levels. Number 1 reason without a doubt is the midfield. It’s been our weakest area for years, and everyone is one year older and worse. The kids are exciting but currently don’t offer the balance and protection and ball holding that made our wing and full back attacks so devastating. Spunking this years budget on a big risk of an attacker and not repairing an ever worsening midfield is the biggest issue.


Eloni

We can talk about missing and injured players, and stingy owners, and tactics and substitutions, and refs, and luck or lack thereof, and a hundred other things. But tbh, I think we completely fucked our players in pre-season after the crazy year we just had. We must have missed the mark completely there, because our players look as slow and knackered now, less than a month into the season, as we did at the end of last. We're getting outrun everywhere, and we're beaten to just about every second ball, and we're leaving huge gaps all over the pitch. That just can't be the gameplan, and I don't buy the complacency/lack of motivation/missing "hunger" (whatever that means), that gets peddles around these parts, so it just has to be physical imo. The way some of our players seem switched off at key moments, yeah it's mental, but mental fog can easily be caused by physical fatigue. But even if it's physical, I also don't buy that the reason is that our players are a year older. It probably doesn't help, but it's 1 year not 10. So, we're left with pre-season as the culprit, the way I see it anyway. Our injury list seems to suggest the same thing, the fact that we've been outrun every game suggest more of the same. Our players have been run into the ground.


Jam-Master-Jake

Yeah the being outrun in every game is a really disappointing stat from us.


Jam-Master-Jake

Given we didn’t have Jota or Nunez for 3 games I cannot see how he would not have helped but our problems are way deeper than missing Mane. We have one way of playing and a lot of teams have figured us out now. Teams don’t let us counter them ever. That was when we used to destroy teams, we’ve changed into a possession team but we are lacking the cutting edge and creativity to pull it off right now.


BigMacMcLovin

This is exactly what I think. Our counter has been negated, we almost never get the space to run into at the moment. Our few good moments this season have been when we have had space to run in to. We have to adapt and that is why we brought Nunez. It will take time, more than 6 games, for it to click. When Nunez came in it was Klopp who asked for patience. Just like when he himself first joined the club. Afford them the time and it will come good. How quickly people forget...


itzabitzapizza

Salah's poor form, Trent's poor delivery, injuries to the midfield, and the clear change in strategy where we're now trying to lump balls to Nunez instead of quick counter attack passes to our inside forwards. I want to see more counter attacks from the sides, and when Trent and Robbo gets the ball I want to see them drive down to the corner line before crossing it. I've had enough of these optimistic crosses close from the middle. Nunez has to play the Firmino role. We're terrible without a deep number 9


mooe2

Salah barely gets good chances , in almost all games we seem to give him the ball and ask him to beat 3 /4 players for the goal , i dun understand how it's his problem that no ones creating chances for him to finish. The front carries the burden and the Blame when it's the fkin midfield that lacks quality, 19 yo olds and old players " Henderson/Milner " , people get old and get slower , bring in quality replacement for when Thiago's gone and then we can talk , however i have only seen Salah just doing whatever the coach asking him to do , whether it's stick outside sometimes or get in center around 2 defense players sometimes , o don't think he's moving from his own will /intention


Jam-Master-Jake

The problem is that it is very hard to counter because almost every game we absolutely dominate the possession and teams let us have the ball. We rarely get the chance to counter. Back in 17/18 teams were letting us do that and we destroyed them. We’ve had to adapt and play different and with players missing like Thiago and us not bringing anyone else in, it just isn’t working at all.


Jaja6996

Not that much we’d still be having problems with him here our midfield and defence is the biggest issue teams are getting in behind so easy and our midfield is constantly getting overwhelmed and can’t link properly with our attack


CorztR

not very much. this time a year ago if you logged on here you'd scroll through hundreds of comments complaining about how he was missing sitters and couldn't beat anyone with pace. diaz has been one of our better players. our midfield is terrible and isn't feeding the forwards.


J539

Watched a couple of Barcelona games this season and it's day and night how we play. We are so wank in building up the play from the defence. We are so slow and so easily pressed. Other teams press harder, play quicker more decisive passes and in the end their whole game seems 100x faster. We can't even give Diaz or Salah one good pass on the wings, we just constantly whoop Fat Sam long balls up the wings let them run deep into the corner flag or lose it immediately. Even if they hold it around the corner flag we just "overlap" there and play a horrible cross into our midget frontline.


WeirdFishesAraragi

look at their transfer window in what is their worst financial state in I don't know how many decades, we can't even dream of something like that


grogleberry

They're a complete shambles and are mortgaging their future with short-termist signings, and bizarre signings with no forethought. They're absolutely not the model we should be following.


WeirdFishesAraragi

True, they are not a model anyone should follow, just an extreme example of how clubs are willing to spend compared to us. any other top 6 team would make a fine example too. and on a side note, Barca are going to be absolutely fine in the future, they're too big to fail.


Valleyx

Why are people so upset with Darwin? I felt like he did well with the opportunities he had. That one shot where Diaz hit the post after was very good with the angle he had. I don't think he's the issue at all


WesternAnything

I mean people are emotional and not realistic. For the price we payed they expect similair production as Haaland. The big difference is however that Haaland has a fully fit world class team feeding him balls. It will take time for this new ensamble of players to find their cohesiveness. Sadly there will be pain along the way, but hopefully the transition is quick. We just need our midfielders to stay fit for an extended period of time.


Important_Tip_2775

Agreed. He was given fuck all to work with.


7366241494

An inch difference on any one of multiple attempts and this thread has a totally different vibe. Everyone’s blinded by the 0-0, but we dominated possession and had plenty of chances. This sub is so reactionary and myopic. It’s absolutely not the end of the world.


grogleberry

And even when we're actually good, we don't win at Goodison.


Foreign_Soup_3809

Possession doesn’t win you game


pd1785

I don’t think it’s reactionary to know we’ve been poor this year. We did dominate large parts of possession but Everton gave it a go today and probably has equal chances to us despite much less of the ball…so they were more effective than us to be honest. The years we’ve competed for the league - these games are ones we get across the line, but we’ve already got out of jail once, lost once and had 2 meh draws already. Not concerned about picking form up at some point but confidence and form has been poor so far. I’m not sure what the issue is but hopefully we pick up on grinding results out soon.


dng5blue

Dominating possession doesn’t mean anything when that’s how opponents want to play against us


[deleted]

I think we hit the post 4 or 5 times tbh. I'd normally agree with you but we were very unlucky today


Psychological-Act582

Everton also hit the post and had good opportunities. We couldn't finish clinically.


[deleted]

Yes they hit the post once, say all of the post goals went in, we still win 5-1.


DiegoTBL

Results are results bubba


scuzza

One thing that got my goat and pissed me off more than anything- Connor Coady... how any fan of the club and former player can celebrate like that shows a total lack of class, so glad the goal was dissalowed, the bellend


Important_Tip_2775

Get a grip. He scored the winning goal for his team in a heated affair. Fucking celebration police out in full force.


VirgilCanDijk

Exactly. If the situation was the other way, people on here would be calling him a legend for celebrating against Everton like that. Let the man celebrate what he thought was a goal in an intense game


JazzyMcJazzJazz

JFC.


AeronReformed

The January transfer window will be huge for us. Don't let the cunts at FSG get away with Next Summer FC talking points. The scouting department need to start doing their fucking jobs instead of looking up the most sought-after young midfielders on google and calling it a day.


RainPsychological535

Those c*nts literally saved LFC from bankruptcy, relegation, and increased our value 5 folds. They brought us Klopp, Salah, Mane, Diaz, etc. They won us the UCL, the Premier League, the lot basically. The hell kind of plastic are you talking shit out your ass when the team is struggling a bit 6 games into the season?


Psychological-Act582

"you are a plastic who only enjoys FIFA" fuck off with that bullshit. Expecting Bellingham 2023 is just pure delusions while our midfield is composed of aging, injury-prone players or youngsters that don't have the experience. Nobody here in midfield is between the ages of 23-26.


RainPsychological535

Yeah because you're known for reviving 2 dying sporting franchise. You're talking right out your ass like you have a clue. Come back here when you achieve something 1/2 way noticable in sports then we can continue


Psychological-Act582

How the fuck am I talking out of my ass? Are you telling me there are zero midfielders for ALMOST THE ENTIRE TRANSFER WINDOW that would have improved our squad? Get off your high horse and face the reality that we need midfield reinforcements and the likes of Keita and Ox are pretty much deadwood.


AeronReformed

John Henry is not going to fuck you man.


RainPsychological535

Sounds like your wife ain't fucking you either. May if you're not such a negative asshole she'll touch you more often. Then you wouldn't be so angry all the time.


AeronReformed

I hope John Henry sees this man.


Psychological-Act582

Enlisting him in the John Henry Social Media Army. Apt job for that guy.


AeronReformed

This guy is John Henry's weakest soldier.


Psychological-Act582

Going on the same contrived talking points of "go support City you plastic" or "this isn't FIFA" or whatever shit. Lol and their attempt at shit-talking you isn't even a good one.


Astro3001

Legit could've been the front runner for the title this year with some decent investement when you look at how the league is paning out but FSG are penny pinchers


RainPsychological535

Diaz cost 80 million. Penny pinchers where?


Astro3001

£65m with the potential to be £80m and all of that was paid by player sales lmfao, a club like Liverpool only spending £200m in 4 years is criminal.


RainPsychological535

Or do what instead? Spend the club into bankruptcies. You really forgot how bad things were 15 years ago?


Astro3001

We have been making record profits and using player sale money to buy players lmfao the club won't go into bankruptcy if we spend an extra £50m a season.


Psychological-Act582

He thinks the club will go to bankruptcy if we did something like spend 25m on Konrad Laimer.


Psychological-Act582

This summer window. And we only got Diaz because of Tottenham's advances.


Astro3001

Lmfao why are you using an ALT to reply to your comment


RainPsychological535

2 different people. This rainpsych is me the other psych something ain't.


Astro3001

Doubt (X)


EyeSpyGuy

Love the outrage for the Virgil tackle on onana, where was that for Pickfords shocking tackle on van Dijk? They’ll point out Isak’s offside vs us and ignore Rashfords similar one vs us. I just think between that, the disallowed goal of west ham, and a few other decisions (coutinho offside vs city) people should realize that refereeing in this league is shite


NeilDeCrash

This week was horrible refereeing. I know mistakes happen every now and then but this week was just off the charts how many big mistakes were done in many games by referees. Newcastle disallowed goal (one of the worst i have seen), West ham disallowed goal, Villa getting flagged offside AND attack not allowed to continue (of course Coutinho smashes it in) ... ugh


pd1785

I think internet rage is mostly just people being contrary for the sake of it… most people spouting rubbish probably only seen a clip online. When the goal was ruled out today around 90% of comments online were that it was onside and Liverpool were favoured by the refs… I still get wound up by the crap people spout but the Van Dijk challenge would be a red last season for sure..


Astro3001

Best ignoring what people on r/soccer and Twitter say about us the obssesion is off the charts


Why_Is_Grass_Green

Really starting to worry if Nunez was the move.


MisterS1997

He was in the right positions. It was only his first game properly with us for 90 mins in the prem


NexusMinds

We've looked awful with and without him. He's the least of our worries atm, can always play Bobby instead who is one of the very few players in some kind of decent fettle.


mrcoffee83

Yeah I'm loving the Bobby redemption arc... Although part of me is wondering if he is shining again now the rest of the team are not playing so well... He was deffo overshadowed by Salah, Mane and Diaz last season. Regardless I love to see him doing well and scoring again, he's such a chill, happy guy whenever he's playing.


Jam-Master-Jake

Bobby is doing well because he likes being a false nine and dropping deep. Given the lack of any creativity from other midfielders and the fullbacks it looks like he’s the only one pulling the strings. He’s done fine and I love the guy but no way we can rely on him so heavily.