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ASlavPleb

There is a paralel universe where we get Tchou for 80 mil and we are F5ing waiting for a new forward. Skint across the multiverse


-Borb

Instead of spending all this money on midfielders can we not just clone Thiago? 6 Thiagos and we’d win everything


AsianMidas

More F5s than during Darwin


Wonderful_Ad_2519

Klopp got Mainz relegated in his 7th year and dipped when he couldn't get them back up Left Dortmund after seeing them off to a 7th place finish in his 7th year This is his 7th year at Liverpool.


ASlavPleb

OMG🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯


juicewilson

You are a gobshite


wiewiewiewiewiewie

Klopp/fsg do something memes..


archbishopofozthe2nd

bossman, i'll take one paqueta, one bellingham, and one tielemans please.


Upper-Law-1354

Long term injury to keita means Actually we need 2 midfielders


Bent_Kopite

Looking forward to the CL draw, always gets me hyped for the campaign


exiledhuman

If FSG really thought our midfield set up was good enough before the season, they should stick to their guns and not sign anyone. If they’re signing someone now it clearly shows they did the bare minimum and expected another season of individual brilliance+Klopp magic. Personally I think they’re fine with a top 4 spot which in all likelihood we’ll still get.


sxrg

Yeah but they're fools for squandering the huge pull of Klopp and a lot of the squad's prime years. Instead of challenging on all fronts again they seriously want to settle for another injury blighted season, as if that wasn't foreseeable with the especially packed schedule due to the WC?


Cactiareouroverlords

This will definitely be one of the seasons we ever played for us won’t it


Hawk947

English, do you speak it?


Cactiareouroverlords

Fuck I was meant to actually say, “this will be one of the seasons we’ve ever played” but I was in a rush while editing it.


kingdomkey13

Lequipe is reporting that Paquets reps are in London to hear offers from multiple clubs 👀


RedJellyBaby89

Not gonna be us man don’t even try it with them 👀 I’m fully prepared for no one yet spend my days F5ing here


ZeeRoog

I would take him in a second. He would slot in on the right mid spot or if we switched play as a 10. I also think he’s capable over covering the right wing in dire circumstances. He is very creative on the ball. He definitely has the flair we like to see


Gerrardsclubfoot

Outside of Westham who else has been linked to him. I am thinking Arsenal.


kingdomkey13

Probably Arsenal, they’ve been splashing cash. If they don’t get Tielemans they’ll probably get him


Gerrardsclubfoot

Weren't they chasing Neto. Paqueta might cost more than Tielemans easily.


Gerrardsclubfoot

Everyone keeps comparing Klopp to Wenger, but it's actually the Ac Milan team of 2005-2007 which keeps coming to my mind. There is an interesting parallel between that team and this one.


MisterS1997

We’re gonna money ball ourselves out of the top 6 the rate we’re going. Actually scares me who the heck is the brains behind all this like wtf


Gerrardsclubfoot

Hopefully not Brad Pitt.


MisterS1997

😂 be more likely to get Brad buy us a cm than the club


Gerrardsclubfoot

Brad is pretty fit maybe he can do a job himself.


MisterS1997

Wtf are our transfer committee doing ? Like do have actual morons in charge who can’t see the gaping hole and how we ain’t getting too 4 with our squad in the current state it’s in. Naby clearly had a falling out and wants to leave so that’s another mid gone. So we have 4 midfields for 4 competitions in a World Cup year and in a year where we can make 5 subs 😂 we’re all over the place


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

FSG and the club just have no idea how to approach signings that aren't their main targets or the back-ups to their main targets.


ManBoobs13

The club do. We’ve signed second choice options plenty. The problem is FSG seem reluctant to fund anything that isn’t our first choice


Scary_Resolve7111

Could we not get Zakaria on loan and Tielemans for whatever he’s going for (20-25m)?


HuddzHD

I wonder if it’s not just FSG being stingy Mo Chatra had a great thread up today about why there should be finances available. That money isn’t being taken out of the club. I wonder if there’s just an unwillingness to operate in this market. Which would be incredibly stupid to take that attitude


Gerrardsclubfoot

But this market is here to stay like this, this isn't a covid market where we have to be vary. The market is only get more worse.


Astro3001

So are they just never going to sign players again then? the market isn't going to get cheaper. There's also been plenty good mids for good prices this summer


24BitEraMan

Agreed. In my opinion it would be like saying I think housing market is stupid expensive and over values everything, but I still need a damn house to live in. Eventually Liverpool will have to buy players in this market as we can not academy or scout our way out of the midfield crisis IMO. Impact players are expensive by necessary just like a house lol.


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

It's just FSG and the club showing their major weakness in the transfer strategy once again - not being assertive and aggressive in going after non-main targets (Virgil, Fabinho, Alisson, Thiago, Nunez) and non-main target back-ups (Salah, Jota). We do so well chasing target or back-ups to main targets, but when it comes time to fill other holes or sign players that aren't our main targets but either to supplement the squad or fill in a sudden crisis area, we're incredibly weak and lackadaisical when it comes to that. Not bringing in a replacement for Lovren and Gini, then the mismanagement of the midfield depth over the last two seasons are examples of that.


glycerethe

[David Squire](https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/aug/23/david-squires-on-manchester-united-beating-liverpool-plus-awesome-arsenal) reminded me that Hodgson had more points in 3 games than ETH's billion dollar squad with a wage bill almost 50% more than ours.


Gerrardsclubfoot

Lol Hodgson had more points in three games than Klopp as well.


ASlavPleb

Hodgson in ?


effinblinding

Woke up to news that other team are buying midfielders


Astro3001

Didn't know there was people that actually think Hendo had a good season last season until today


shameless_autotune

Played 57 games and we lost a Quadruple by 2 games, did he not have a good season?


Astro3001

Easily the weakest link and was absolute shit the first half of the season, was better 2nd half but clearly our weakest player and this season has looked shocking. Sad to see but he's clearly declined in all aspects of his game


shameless_autotune

I mean yeah he's 32 now but saying he had a bad season seems off. He captained us towards a season where we, again, missed a *quadruple* by 2 games. No reason to go after him.


Astro3001

Why does captaining mean anything when it comes to individual performace lmfao


shameless_autotune

I'm sorry you don't understand the importance of a club captain. Also wtf he bagged a decent amount of assists in the league, Milan goal was MASSIVE for our CL run, played generally.. well? I don't see the surprise in someone thinking he had a good season.


Astro3001

No one is talking about what he done as captain lol, I am talking about his performance as an individual and it was terrible for the majority of the season how can people deny this lmfao


oosukashiba0

Because you’re so far wide of the mark?


Astro3001

How am I lol? can't believe people think he's good enough anymore


kingdomkey13

Looking at our pot I’m not really worried for champions league


strider3187

what a shit time it must be to be gerrard right now left rangers midway after failed CL qualification to join villa his main man beale leaves villa become shambles and fans have pretty much turned on him rangers are much better under Gio, and have qualified for the CL poor guy.


effinblinding

He knew the challenge, time to rise up. Hope he can make it


Astro3001

We're defo getting Bayern tomorrow


thisisboz

Bayern, Inter, and Marseille would be just grand…


Cactiareouroverlords

Don’t even joke about that, I’m not even ready for us to face Mane yet 😢


lucindo_

I'm happy to see that people are starting to remember that Liverpool Football Club is a giant of the sport and that being a giant of the sport demands acting like one. There is no shame in being ambitious. I come from a very different footballing culture from most of the sub so what I feel may not be so common here, but...1 CL title out of 3 finals, 1 PL title compared to missing out on another 2 so narrowly doesn't fill me with pride and joy, it fills me with sadness and regret. Underinvestment is not the only reason we've failed in the last hurdle so often, but it might be the major one and it's the one that the club can control. Fans shouldn't be ashamed to demand more because THERE IS STILL TIME to send Jürgen Klopp off with a title haul that accurately reflects the monumental job he's done so far. Once again, it comes with the territory of being LFC and if the fans don't demand it, no one ever will.


bbydonthurtme4667

Are you saying the biggest club in England shouldn't be acting like they are on the verge of bankruptcy every transfer window? That's just silly, next year though...


billonezier

I agree with you wholeheartedly but some people will call this moaning and berate you for not agreeing with the club's decisions.


napoleonboneitis

Watching a random episode of The Sopranos, a line of dialogue resonated with the club's current situation. "More damage is done through inaction than making the wrong action." This bullshit of looking for a nonexistent perfect player then refusing to improve the squad in any way at all comes off as deliberately wanting the team to fail. There's literally no other way to explain such glaringly obvious issues.


AdamW142

What ever happened to Gary Cooper? The strong, silent type. Now that was a midfielder.


inheartscon

I'm also watching the Sopranos again 😂


chairdesktable

anyone watch the barca/city game? city look alive while our guys have their tails tucked between their legs. its so frustrating to compare them to us looking dazed and confused on the pitch.


shameless_autotune

I think about Thiago's goal against Porto every single day, it's mad


Kcsb4u

Why did Klopp re-sign if he thought/knew FSG would be so stiff with funding a team?


legentofreddit

I think he mostly agrees with the strategy tbh. Not so much the not signing a player, but the not signing a player he doesn't think is obviously better than what we have. He loves his boys too much sometimes. He probably doesn't care what the player costs and would pay what it takes to get the best. But Ward and Co have set limits.


Still_Study_6059

Don't know if he loves them too much or that it's a case of paying players too well. Let's say Dortmund puts in a bid for Keita or Leipzig, it's definitely going to be a downgrade in salary for him. We've seen Origi turn down bids. Ox has been impossible to sell. A couple others have been here longer than ideal. So their contracts get run down and they leave after that.


Sorrytoruin

the whole we need to wait for the perfect player is nonsense, we have got the 2nd choice many times and its worked so well, mane, even salah was not the first pick. Klopp can mould these players. We won the league with midfielders who and run and cover the sides, like hendo, and with great ball retention like gini. Are you telling me there are no other midfielders than jude, who can do those things? We got gini from a relegated club. Its smoke and mirrors from the board, there are so many great players out there we could get and im confident klopp can make it work like he has before. The truth is the board don't want the extra wages with keita and ox still on the books, and like the CB disaster when we were top of the league, but had no centre backs, they failed the club by being tight. And i can't see any different again.


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

It's not just "the perfect player" but also "back-up targets to the perfect player". We do very well in chasing those types. It's addressing the other areas in the squad for depth we do poor at (not bringing in a replacement for Lovren and Gini, letting midfield downgrade this season).


AeronReformed

Waiting for the right player is a good transfer strategy if we were only missing one piece of the puzzle. The entire midfield needs to be overhauled. We need to bring 3 midfielders in.


Sorrytoruin

Its not always all good, why wait a year and leave yourself completely lacking depth in an area, just to wait a whole year, and by the way jude could end up going somewhere else, and then all the waiting is for nothing


da_undataka

Loving the absolute hysteria by LFC fans hahaha. Didn't think people clocked on as to whats going on with us. I knew this was coming after the Fulham game. FSG truly exposed this window. Don't let anyone ever tell you that you're being reactionary or ungrateful. Look around us and acknowledge that we deserve more.


MisterS1997

Sell to buy only works for so long until you actually run out of players 😂 which we have


Psychological-Act582

We definitely deserve more. For a huge club like Liverpool, not refreshing the squad and not spending more is disgraceful. Now we are short in midfield and need new players.


da_undataka

Klopp and the players deserve more. Players like Salah committing their careers to LFC deserve more. They rescued us in that injury ridden season we scraped top 4. They did the near impossible by not losing since Jan 2022 to try win the league. We almost achieved immortality last season yet we spend 5m this summer. We cannot let this club slip back to where it was for some investment company.


Psychological-Act582

Wasting another year of their careers to go for top four and "muh Bellingham 2023" isn't good at all. They should be continually challenging for trophies and not having a refreshed midfield is playing with fire. No guarantee Bellingham actually comes and baffling how they don't have a plan B after Tchouameni signed for Real.


Tremor00

We do definitely deserve more. At the same time some people are being a bit reactionary and over the top


NexusMinds

They aren't. The more you look in to it the more it becomes evident something dodgy af is going on, and FSG are scamming the club. There is enough information out there now with swiss ramble, public accounts, details on increased revenues etc. To have the massive high earning seasons we've had recently and come out with a net spend of £5m isn't a mistake. They are playing games with us and do not care about winning.


MisterS1997

Just look at the manipulation tactics they used in the south park apology video for the super league .


christophlieber

it‘s not reactionary when the warning signs appeared last season. if not for alisson saving our asses, we‘d have been worried earlier. even back then our midfield was overrun countless times. if ali wouldn‘t be the best 1 on 1 keeper, we‘d never have challenged for all the titles.


Tremor00

I never said what people are being reactionary over. There are very valid concerns, there are some people going over the top


christophlieber

that‘s true, absolutely, i agree


firminocoutinho

Analogy I heard: Us winning the PL off the lack of transfer activity, was a HUGE gamble that paid off. Fortunately because we finally won a PL, but unfortunately because it made our owners believe that we could do it again and again by not really spending as we should. Gambling pulls one in with a win, and punishes them later on with a chain of losses. The house always wins.. We are literally addicted to gambling. We gamble by not spending, thinking we’ll still yield a good outcome regardless of spending less than we should. And we try it again and again with the hope that itll work. It worked once again when Alisson got us into the CL with that header. Well it’s not going to work in the long run, and we’ll soon be punished for it.


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Someone was listening to Kopish too I see. Lol


Gerrardsclubfoot

Haha I was just gonna say that. This was Drifty right.


inheartscon

This sub - we don't need a midfielder like Paqueta. Also this sub - we need to replace Thiago's creativity. Not saying Paqueta is the answer but you are talking about Klopp and his ability to improve and mould players. I refuse to believe we can not find anyone he would be willing to sign.


da_undataka

Thiago, given his injury record, should be a luxury player. He should be rotated with someone similar to his playing style but more robust injury wise.


christophlieber

exactly. we shouldn‘t build our system around a player that‘s injured quite frequently when we have no one to replace him. it‘s fucking insane.


Herchik

We aren't signing anyone, are we?


Bout3Fidy

Only if the pope shits in my toilet


Herchik

Brb moving your toilet to Vatican


Bout3Fidy

Jokes on you I’m homeless


Gerrardsclubfoot

![gif](giphy|OTkmj1zPQskyQ|downsized) Pope is coming to a toilet near you.


Herchik

Gotta take that urinal off the wall then


Astro3001

Mental how many people still defend FSG when the lack of investment is panfully obvious, where is all this money the club is making actually going? record profits last year, multiple CL finals on top of all that PL money just for us to spend a similar amount to Spurs


Pewds_Minecraft

We literally have a net spend of around 0. Shirt sales, league and CL earnings and all of that shit should allow klop to spend a lot more than any squad in the prem but nope. FSG think that we can magically win everything and stop our players from getting injured or age


xrscx

Anfield road stand mate and the new training grounds. That's all of our money absolutely nothing left over


trollerballer

We just love to extend the contracts of our midfielders. You have Good Vibes Oxlade getting a fat extension just for recovering from an injury. You have a declining Henderson going to the media to force an extension, even though his previous contract had 2 years left and would end when he would be 33. Now we have the privilege of seeing him being useless on the pitch and blaming others for his mistakes all the way to 35. Then you have Milner getting an extension every year because he Lactates well. Special mention to bumbling Adrian getting extensions for two years now, despite taking up a valuable non-HG spot and being frankly very poor. And now Keita is being offered an extension as well even though he is pretty much done in one way or another. Where is the ruthlessness? Too much loyalty to players who are just not all that.


yosemite_marx

If they give keita that extension LMAO


abradley19955

https://twitter.com/mochatra/status/1562540243924164609?s=21&t=gDhYGx73etDhr5Inp9tS_w Interesting thread from Mo as per


christophlieber

that‘s a really interesting thread that should leave us all with one big fucking question: where‘s the money and what have they done with it?


Sorrytoruin

Something is going on, have they just stockpiled the money? Where is it?!?!


31honeybadger

WHERE IS THE MONEY?!?!?!?


christophlieber

i don‘t know. but figures like in that thread are fucking unacceptable for a team with title winning ambitions.


NexusMinds

We need to properly examine some of these costs. As mentioned over and over, our revenues are through the roof. WHERE IS THE FUCKING MONEY?


samlfc92

Where's the Minamino money John?


iG8

Got a crazy conspiracy theory that this Barca vs City match is a huge cover up for an illegal deal to save Barca financially. City are giving them a generous £300m via sponsorship money and various match day costs in exchange for an agreement for Pedri and Gavi to run down their contracts and join City some years down the line when they are approaching their prime. Change my mind.


da_undataka

Remember when a gulf country offered them a 1.5bn loan when they were in the shit due to covid and lack of tourism. They're state sponsored btw by Catalonia, as are Madrid by Spains central government. And after that offer, they started spending and making all these deals. I think they're playing an elaborate accounting game. Funnelling the money through all these companies. No way anyone values they tv channel for the sum they sold it for.


AffectionateFan5458

Look what liverpool have done to our mental health.


Mirucias

If we offloaded Keita earlier for like 25-30M we could have had Nunez, Nunes and Paqueta and net spend of only like 50M this window What the fuck are we waiting for


Gerrardsclubfoot

He is injured


Mirucias

Yes, but out of all the other years we had a chance. Just can't believe there's so much quality out there, but no, we keep the player who's only played 50% of the possible games in the PL


Gerrardsclubfoot

We are even trying to give him a new contract lol


ToNeBoNe187

Just about every prem team has taken a huge step forward while we are running backwards. Nottingham Forest is going absolute bat shit with transfers and we can’t get one or two decent midfielders!? Injuries are one thing, and we’ve been bitten badly, but not taking action during such a crisis is fucking absurd. I’m a life long Red Sox fan and these assholes follow this model to a t. They have no problem with losing seasons (Red Sox currently) or just making top four because they know they have two of the most passionate and loyal fan bases on the planet. No skin off their back, just profiting off ours.


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BarryZuckerhorn

The owners don't take any money from the club. Our running costs which is mostly wages is what eats up our revenues


ADogNamedWhiskey

They publish financials annually.


brush85

Celtic are crap in Europe but good domestic. Rangers are inconsistent domestic but awesome in europe


sankers23

Whenever we arent playing well we always get a cup draw at Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge. I guarantee you 100% we are about to be drawn at one of these stadiums, or the Etihad.


Astro3001

[https://imgur.com/a/JITq9FI](https://imgur.com/a/JITq9FI) PL spending since Klopp has arrived... It's actually incredible how he has only got £19m more than Spurs in that time with Levy been known as stingy with money and not to mention the fact Spurs built a fucking stadium in that time and still managed to spend the same amount as us. And that is also with us bringing in much more in player sales than Spurs as well.... Should be a big wake up call for people that are happy with FSG because things won't change unfortunately.


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McQueensbury

To which they'll manage just fine, Arsenal have had debt for god knows how long even without CL football, they still exist.


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firminocoutinho

^ FSG accountant spotted


Astro3001

Because they built a massive state of the art stadium... and even then they've managed to spent the same as us without the player sales


CriztianS

> Should be a big wake up call for people that are happy with FSG because things won't change unfortunately. Just to play devil's advocate here... is it FSG? Are they telling the club and Klopp that he has to sell to buy this window? Because if they did give the man basically £0 budget for this season and told him he has to sell players to buy and make do with what he has, yeah that would be enraging. When you look at the numbers... high spending doesn't equate to success. United have spent a metric shit ton and they have a toxic dressing room, cliques and poor performances/results. Arsenal and Tottenham have achieved nothing. And Chelsea this window just seem to be spending for the sake of spending. Gordon for £60mil... come on. So is it FSG? Or is it that the people in charge of Liverpool recruitment have determined that it's better to be stubborn and look for the perfect player that will fit the team and style. We went for Tchouameni and would have gotten Bellingham. But Tchouameni picked Real Madrid over us, and Dortmund have made it very clear they have no interest in selling Bellingham this window. Realistically we can't match City's spending, so why are we saying that we should follow the path that teams like United, Arsenal and Tottenham are on when they've achieved nothing? And we were a hair away from the quadruple last season. Also worth mentioning, while we haven't been the highest spenders by any means, the reported wages at Liverpool are 3rd in the League. Only behind United (who offer idiotic contracts and get stuck with players they can't sell) and Chelsea. At the end of the day Liverpool have been the only team that have managed to offer a sustained challenge to City's dominance over the last few years.


McQueensbury

>So is it FSG? Yes they own the club >Or is it that the people in charge of Liverpool recruitment have determined that it's better to be stubborn and look for the perfect player that will fit the team and style. No people in charge of recruitment like to spend money, they want to buy players it's their job, this perfect player business works in a vacuum >We went for Tchouameni And if we had got him would we have gotten Nunez? Think about that >Realistically we can't match City's spending, so why are we saying that we should follow the path that teams like United, Arsenal and Tottenham are on when they've achieved nothing? And we were a hair away from the quadruple last season Because you got to spend money to stay competitive, right now we are where we are due to Klopp and getting lucky with most of the recruitment. Without Klopp or a world class manager we'll be back to fighting for top 6. Klopp has been doing a Ferguson like job with this team pushing players to their limits squeezing every bit of quality out of them season after season. But the team is getting older, players are looking tired, one thing Fergie knew was to constantly refresh the squad to keep that winning mentality.


CriztianS

> Yes they own the club. They can say no to spending money. They can't force Klopp and the recruitment team to spend money. So if the money is there and they aren't using it... it's not FSG. > No people in charge of recruitment like to spend money, they want to buy players it's their job, this perfect player business works in a vacuum Who? Who have we gone for and had FSG say no to? That's my issue here... > And if we had got him would we have gotten Nunez? Think about that I don't know. I have heard nothing from FSG or the club that Klopp had to pick 1 of Nunez, Tchouameni and Bellingham. For all I know FSG was perfectly willing to let Klopp get all 3. I don't know one way or the other. > Because you got to spend money to stay competitive United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton have really gone a long way to prove this to not be the case. These clubs have spent heavily and have much less then Liverpool to show for it. City, sure, but they have literally unlimited funds. Again, if there was an indication that Klopp and the recruitment team wanted a player and FSG said no because they didn't want to spend the money (like United have made public repeatedly), then I'm with you 100%. But who is this player? Who does Klopp want that FSG refuse to get?


McQueensbury

>They can say no to spending money. They can't force Klopp and the recruitment team to spend money. So if the money is there and they aren't using it... it's not FSG. Klopp has already insinuated that he would like another player but he is not the one who is in charge of the funds, whoever Ward answers to(Hogan?) is the person who signs off on the cheques. So yes it is FSG saying no We made 1 marquee signing never going to be spending £200m unless we did major sales >United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton have really gone a long way to prove this to not be the case. These clubs have spent heavily and have much less then Liverpool to show for it. Each team has its own case, management structure and things going on behind the scenes, spending money doesn't always guarantee success but if you do not spend money you won't get anywhere. We've been smart with how we spent money with the right manager, Arsenal looks like to be on track having got their house in order. >Again, if there was an indication that Klopp and the recruitment team wanted a player and FSG said no because they didn't want to spend the money (like United have made public repeatedly), then I'm with you 100%. But who is this player? Who does Klopp want that FSG refuse to get? Every summer there's conflicting reports, FSG operate in a certain way they don't spend freely as other clubs as we spend what we make from the clubs success added with player sales


CriztianS

> Klopp has already insinuated that he would like another player but he is not the one who is in charge of the funds, whoever Ward answers to(Hogan?) is the person who signs off on the cheques. So yes it is FSG saying no. I may be wrong here, but I don't recall Klopp saying anything about funds. Again, I might be wrong, but I recall him saying something along the lines of "it's not up to me" which could mean funds, but could also mean many other things (not able to identify the correct target, or unable to get the correct target). Also two weeks ago he said "If there was the right player and an opportunity, we would have done it, we would do it". > Each team has its own case, management structure and things going on behind the scenes, spending money doesn't always guarantee success but if you do not spend money you won't get anywhere. We've been smart with how we spent money with the right manager, Arsenal looks like to be on track having got their house in order. This is a great example. This time last year, Arsenal fans were protesting and demanding that Arteta be sacked. Now all of a sudden after 3 games they have "their house in order"? Meanwhile at Liverpool after being in 3 Champions League Finals in 4 years, we're the crisis club? Come on... And I gurantee the second Arsenal go on a bad run, the jokers on AFTV will be foaming at the mouth demanding Arteta be sacked and the whole project burned to the ground. We're the only team that has consistently challenged City, 3 Champions League Finals in 4 years, 2 Domestic Cups, and a whisker away from a god damn quadruple last season, we've won the Champions League and the Premier League... but somehow "if you do not spend money you won't get anywhere" and FSG apparently suck now? Keeping in mind our points total in the league would have won the league in almost every other season, but we're chasing financial juggernaut City and we need to be almost perfect. This is so reactionary.


gupibagha

This team has underachieved. We can console ourselves with almost a quadruple, 3 times CL finalists, 2 times missing PL by a single point blah blah but at the end of the day the trophies will be remembered. We haven't even matched Man United's PL number, and it looks further away now with the team ageing. Every transfer window we have made transfers so as to keep the net spend as low as possible. Looking at that trend, I feel convinced that we wouldn't have signed Nunez if Tchouameni joined earlier. We don't do 2 top level signings at the same time (unless we have Coutinho transfer sort of money).


Astro3001

There's a difference between being smart with money and outright greedy and the later is FSG, no one is asking for us to go and sign players for £60+m but over the years all we needed was one or two more signings that woud've gave us that extra push to win more. This summer there are plenty really good midfield option for reasonable prices and yet we don't go and get one since we are apparently waiting for Bellingham... even though we need more than 1 midfielder currently nvm when Ox and Naby leave for free.


CriztianS

Well we did go in heavily for Tchouameni as well before he went to Madrid. Issue here might be that United, for reasons I don't understand, leak all their business. So when they get hung up on transfers their manager says he wants (FDJ, Antony, Rabiot and his mum's wages, etc.) you know it's because the club/owners don't want to spend the asking price. But Liverpool don't do that. So for all I know the money is there. If Klopp and the recruitment team can identify a player they want, FSG may very well be willing to spend the money. We say, "spend £60+m on a couple of players to push on", but who are these £60+m that Klopp and the recruitment team want? I have no idea. I can literally name every player that Ten Hag wants, but can't name anyone Klopp wants to get but the club refuse to back him. This is my issue here... I want to get up in arms and start attacking FSG... I just have no indication that they refuse to spend money on the players Klopp wants. Think on it like this. We went from Tchouameni and Nunez. Mane said he was going to leave and effectively handed in a transfer request. So if we got Tchouameni, Nunez and Bellingham our spend would have been massive. And I have seen no indication that FSG said no to going for all 3.


gupibagha

oh god, "our spend would have been massive". Look at the fucking evidence in our transfer windows. We have always put net spend low. I am convinced that we went for Nunez precisely because we didn't get Tchouameni or Bellingham. About the recruitment. yes, we don't tell who we are looking at. But do you think the recruitment team is sitting on their asses doing nothing and getting paid? They must be constantly looking at players who can improve the team, and with the current midfield, it's not a very difficult thing. Are you suggesting there's no player in the world who can make this team better? Whether the team needs players, you can look at the midfield and decide for yourself. Stop taking Klopp's every word so literally . Managers many times say things that will help the team, not necessarily the truth. Given Klopp's way of doing things , if he is showing frustration which he is, it means he is not really happy with what we have.


Feliznavidab

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid man. Defending the billionaire venture capitalists that own this club doesn’t make you a better fan. Not even going to bother engaging with any of your ‘arguments’, just maddening to see how there are still some fans that don’t think Klopp and the squad have been, and will continue to be, completely hamstrung for years by FSG’s lack of funding.


AeronReformed

3 midfielders are leaving next summer. Henderson shouldn't be playing a lot of minutes at this stage in his career. Thiago is injury prone. Which leaves us with Fabinho who is the only world class midfielder that could be semi relied upon. How the fuck did it get this bad? Our midfield needs an open heart surgery, one player next summer is not fixing this mess. We need at least two starting quality midfielders. Even if we get all our targets next summer, we will be looking at a rebuilding season which means another season written off.


skin-taniumarmour

Is there any logical reason we’re not in for Pacqueta when he’s clearly available


Echiptian_King

I can understand people questioning us letting Nunes join Wolves but Pacqueta is a number 10 and doesn’t really sort out our issues. We need an athletic box to box midfielder as our midfield is too leggy without Wijnaldum and Henderson seems to have declined since we won the league, I think that groin injury he got really took a lot out of him.


awildboyappeared

I will give you an even better one. Tielemans who have proper PL experience and is very much suitable for us is available for less than 30m. And still we are not in.


Martianman97

I just don't think we are a fan of Tielemans. I would take him over Ox or Keita as squad options but I don't think he is good enough to start for us. I don't doubt he would get in the starting line up now but we should be aiming higher


awildboyappeared

>I just don't think we are a fan of Tielemans In terms of likeness or suitability? And may I ask why? I'm not saying it would be a world class signing. Just for rotation and squad depth. But then again he is only behind Thiago and Fab and is much better than Keita at least in terms of reliability. He had like 2 injuries in his 10 year career. Also he puts in decent work defensively. So imo he'll be a decent fit in our squad.


CriztianS

Stubbornness, I think Liverpool very much go into the transfer window with clear targets of who we want to get; and if we don't get them we just fold our arms and say we'll try again next window. It's not as if Liverpool didn't have midfield targets this window. We clearly went very hard for Tchouameni. It has not been a *terrible* approach, as we clearly have achieved quite a bit these last few years. Meanwhile teams that spend for the sake of spending (United) have achieved fuck all. But I think this transfer window we really needed more options in midfield. And I think perhaps we may want to look at "panic buying" a midfielder, if only because our midfield looks dead.


-hileo-

Yes, we are stingy and stubborn


kingdomkey13

I don’t think he can play in the 6


Gerrardsclubfoot

He is a 10 or an attacking 8 no he wouldn't play in the 6. But it gives us the option of rotating between fab and hendo for the 6.


kingdomkey13

Yeah, I just think based on the comments we’ve heard from the news outlets and Klopp is he wants a player to do both. Don’t really think he trusts Hendo in the 6 that much


Gerrardsclubfoot

He did start him as a 6 against united. At the most we get a capable keita replacement in Paqueta and someone who could rotate with hendo then. He also adds creativity to the midfield that we lack when Thiago gets injured. A Midfield three of fabinho, thiago and Paqueta will be really exciting.


kingdomkey13

He started him as a 6 yeah, but that’s because Fabinho desperately needs rest and that’s pretty much the only option. I’m with you Paqueta would be a great addition, just based on comments from those that are mostly associated with the club it’s not gonna happen


Gerrardsclubfoot

>just based on comments from those that are mostly associated with the club it’s not gonna happen Lol don't believe in everything they say they barely know anything. They are just speculating themselves. Earlier this evening they said Dormuntd is looking for keita only for sky Germany come out nah thats not happening fam. They are just speculating for clicks at the moment, most likely we are getting no one.


kingdomkey13

Yeah I mean I’m with you, we’re gonna sign no one. Just trying to not be in denial


Gerrardsclubfoot

Yup sadly lol I have accepted it already no point losing your head. Just here to break some lazy narratives they try to spew.


abradley19955

Why are you being downvoted? Lmao he can’t


Alexanderspants

James Milner cant play as an attacking midfielder either, but that doesnt stop us playing him as one


kingdomkey13

People hear of one random dude linked to West Ham for a smaller fee and lose their minds lol


abradley19955

Good player like but if our most reliable journalist said Klopp wants someone who can play as a 6 & 8 then it shouldn’t surprise anyone we’re not in for Paqueta


kingdomkey13

That’s what I’m saying


Astro3001

I wonder if Ruben Neves would be a good signing for us, I haven't seen a lot of him but he seems like a very good passer composed when under pressure but maybe lacks mobility? was captain of Porto at 18 so another leader in the dressing room as well. Only has 2 years left on his contract so I dunno what price they'd want but surely can't be above £60m? and he can play a 6 or an 8.


Gerrardsclubfoot

He will be great and will add some steel to this midfield, he wouldn't cost 60, more like 40-45 as he won't be signing a new deal with Wolves and they already got Nunez in. I don't why he is so often overlooked as a player but he is dependable, doesn't have a bad history of injuries that I know of, has played in cl before and has plenty of experience. Bonus points he can score a long range goal or two each season. Good hair too.


[deleted]

He scores quite a few a season from outside the box. In fact, almost all his goals are from outside the box iirc


Gerrardsclubfoot

I like that, we lack midfielders who can do that. Ox was the last midfielder who was capable of that.


ChittyShrimp

L'Equipe has said that Paqueta bid has been turned down by Lyon... Come on Liverpool strike!


Sinistrait

He's definitely not the kind of Midfielder we need tbh


ChittyShrimp

He'd certainly help


hvntrr

How much would Sucic be?


Craft-Superb

Report I saw during the summer says 15–20 million. Not sure why we’re not all over that


Geoffresus

If Paqueta is available for €40m to West Ham we should hijack that deal ASAP.


Astro3001

Its now even more obvious that FSG's plan has always been to have a us finish in the top 4 consistently rather than invest the proper amount for us to consistently challenge for the big trophies but Klopp being the great manager he is has papered over that the past few years by squeezing everything he can out of the squad. I can't think of any American ownership that is different they are all the same they are happy to invest the amount needed to get top 4 but never more we seen it with Arsenal for years and to an extent with the Glazers as well.


LordTwatofKnobington

What are you talking about? Arsenal are consistently among the top spenders


Astro3001

That's only been the case the past couple years, Kroenke bought Arsenal in 2007 and for a long time never invested much money into the team so it left Wenger to squeeze out top 4 finished with teams that were barely good enough.


Gerrardsclubfoot

>Kroenke bought Arsenal in 2007 There is a theory that Kroenke never had the full control of the club and had to share control. Slowly they bought shares for the club and when they became majority owners started pumping in money in the club since last three years or so.


Astro3001

Think he became a majority shareholder in 2011 with 60% ownership


Gerrardsclubfoot

Or maybe it was 100 percent ownership I don't know the facts but as soon as Usmanov ( I think that's what his name is) went off to Everton they started spending. Their fans protested and they seemed to have turned a corner regardless.


Beerbellydancer44

Chelseas new owner is different, the dodgers spend with the most and he will do the same with them


Spanky_10

That’s not how it works at all. We have a crazy TV deal that pays 270m a year, which is funnily enough the teams annual payroll. This isn’t* Boehly bankrolling a juggernaut and people need to stop repeating that.


Astro3001

Yeah he seems an outlier but I wonder if that is just a now thing since he has just took over rather than it being something that keeps happening


-hileo-

It’s a now thing, US owners run clubs like businesses not passion projects


Gerrardsclubfoot

How fucking lucky are chelsea, feel down bad and landed on a lap of another sugar daddy


GlobalLemon2

At least said sugar daddy appears to have no idea how to spend his money


Gerrardsclubfoot

This is his first season though, they might do well with a DOF and when Tuchel goes


crookedparadigm

Really fucking tired of watching every other club in the PL working on tons of business while we sit here with out thumbs up our asses, watching our injury list and average age growing constantly.


thisisboz

If the reported fee for Paqueta is true, I don’t know how we’re not jumping at the opportunity to sign him. Are we even sure Bellingham wants to be here next summer?


abradley19955

Caicedo would make way more sense than someone like Tielemans or Paqueta. Fits what we need but the issue is the small sample size. Highly unlikely we’d pay what Brighton want due to that


ChittyShrimp

Man Paqueta fits in so well. Hes so creative and hes a pressing machine. Especially as Thiago ain't getting any younger.


abradley19955

Joyce has said Klopp wants someone who can play as a 6 & 8. Paqueta despite being talented, isn’t that. Don’t think he solves our current issues in midfield


ChittyShrimp

I think he solves the issue of creativity when Thiago is out. We seriously lack that. And the issue of fit and available.


Jaja6996

He fits what Joyce said we was after an 8 who can also play the 6


abradley19955

Fits that mould for sure


Jaja6996

As you say the only problem is he’s another player player like Elliot and Fabio extremely talented but not much experience at the top level


abradley19955

That’s it. I’d like to see us take a chance personally as I’m a fan of what I’ve seen so far and think we need another player in the midfield before the window closes Don’t see us taking the chance though


Jaja6996

I’d rather us go for him than Tielemans


abradley19955

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