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This is more suited to an unpopular opinions thread, but I'll go ahead and put it here. We have the worst, most ungrateful fanbase in the league. This mainly relates to fans on social media, I'll concede.
Every single Liverpool post on social media is filled with the most toxic malcontents you are ever likely to encounter. I've never encountered a fanbase of a team that's \*this\* successful who apparently loathe the team and the manager. It's mind-boggling.
It's not just on social media. Constant moans from old men at the match.
We winning the league
Once upon a time, we had the best midfield trio in the league. Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano. And later a little magician in Coutinho popping up with a wonder goal every now n then. Leading the line were players like Torres, Suarez and Sturridge over the span of 7-8 years. Quality quality stuff.
Now, we have a top manager but struggling to get a decent midfielder to add to the ranks. How sad is that?
You can’t say Coutinho’s years were quality years though (13/14 aside) and our team as a whole is still the best it’s been in the PL era.
Surely tielemans at the reported 25M is a pretty good option.
People don't like to hear it but we aren't winning any league if we don't get a midfielder this season and I'm very optimistic usually
We wont suffer the WC pause as much as City - Allison, VVD, Nunez, Jota are probably the only ones who will start for their country, while TAA, Hendo, Konate, Fabinho, Thiago, Gomez would prob be 2nd subs.
City have Walker, Dias, Laporte, Stones, Cancelo, Rodri, KDB, Bernardo, Kalvin phillips as starters. With Grealish, Ake, Ederson, Foden as subs.
Being "optimistic usually" doesn't give your opinions any more validation.
I just had two beers and regret my negativity were gonna win every single trophy no two ways about it
Me + few beers = sing to the entire town about the quadruple
Just a thought I could be wrong and hopefully I will be. Press 2 for more predictions?
Who is Yeremy btw?
Second times the charm:
Hoping for crystal palace tickets tomorrow, got soo many browsers set up just trying to get 2 tickets. Pray for me
Nahh I don't wanna buy any tickets second hand, just gonna try my best tomorrow
Saw a tweet today “That Klopp extension not looking so hot right now”.
What the fuck is happening?
>What the fuck is happening?
People giving up on the season after one game because of a draw and an injury.
The same ppl who said Klopp out two seasons back. Deluded.
I remember getting in arguments with those people on here. They were conveniently silent last season though.
People don't know how good they have it and how bad it could get it seems. You'd think Liverpool fans would be aware of that, of any club.
Just twitter things
It's not 'just twitter things' anymore as there have plenty of people with the exact same take on here since Sunday.
that‘s fucking idiotic, though.
doubting klopp? they should just fucking piss off.
People doubting klopp. Absolutely wild to me.
I will be in Europe the first 3 weeks of September, but cannot make it to England because my girlfriend would need to get a different VISA and the process for getting the Schengen was long and expensive enough. I believe one of the champions league group stages will be away though, and hopefully at a place that accepts the Schengen VISA. What are the chances I can find away tickets? I don't care if it's in the supporters or away (liverpool) sections, I'd honestly prefer the supporters section since it has better views and I don't want to sit behind goal.
It was fairly easy and inexpensive to get tickets to Napoli vs PSG when I went a 3-4 years ago, but since it will be Liverpool, I'm guessing it might be a bit harder. Thanks!
You won't get a ticket in the liverpool section, amongst home fans would depend who we draw once the qualifying matches are over.
yea it kind of sucks, I booked my trip for Sep 5 - Sep 21, flying into Amsterdam and flying out of Paris, but waiting for the draw to figure out where I will go in between and for how long. I won't know until Aug 25th about the draw.. will the schedule be released that day?
That'll only give only one possible match day. Amsterdam home to one possible opponent though.
Oh we plan on going to other countries, Greece, Italy, Switzerland, and Germany. Ideally in a perfect world if I’m the luckiest person ever they play Ajax away on Sept 6th, otherwise I’ll just have to see where they play and try to plan trip around going to that country! Wish me luck haha
Random observation but I thought Thiago Silva looked like his age had caught up with him against Everton. He is about to turn 38 and it really looked like he was struggling to run in that match. Koulibali and Azpilicueta are not young either
Didn't he win MOTM?
Oh maybe, which would completely undermine my observation lol. But I did think he was playing catch up the whole game
Do we know when Jotas back from injury?
Klopp said few more weeks around the Fulham game
Most likely near the end of the month.
Does Calvin Ramsay even exist? Feel like he's an urban legend at this point, just nothing about him or how he is progressing with his mystery injury
I'd forgotten what his name was until your comment jolted my memory.
But where’s Grujic?
He is the new hologram Ben Davies
oh my word dundee united are woeful. 5-0 down at half time. Could be a rugby score at this point. (already an unconverted try ahead)
Not often european footy is on freesat...
Who are they playing?
They played AZ Alkmaar. Lost 7-0 last night after winning first leg 1-0
Does the NFC pass only show up the weekend before the game?
I don’t rate tielemans that highly, but for 25M it’s not a bad shout for reinforcements
latest on Sepp VDB from the Championship is apparently Burnley, Sheffield United, Watford & Blackburn Rovers all want him on loan.
no clue what teams want him in the Bundesliga that Pearce mentioned but we'll have to see on that front
Just for chats sake, if Barca shit the bed on registering Kessié, does anyone else see that being a supreme opportunity to slide into a DM?
They will register him so no point discussing
Part of me 100% agrees, there's no way Barcelona have shit the bed so much that they won't be able to register players they bought and will let them go on free transfers.... but I also thought there was 0% chance of them letting Messi leave.
After Barcelona shit the bed with Messi, I think anything is possible with that club.
They needed Messi to leave tbh.
Loads of fun at parties I bet
He’d still prefer to play for Barca. Can’t have a player who’d rather play for another club
Reckon we announce the green third kit before Man Utd away. I really like what I’ve seen from the leaked photos.
Usually we (read:**Nike**) announce the third kits around the start of European Competition.
What a summer this has been in refreshing and regenerating the squad this has been ay!
I mean, yes we could do with another midfielder, but why are you making it sound like we've done sod all?
The signings and contract extensions we've made in 2022 have been excellent.
How have we not been 'refreshing and regenerating' our squad this Summer?
We've signed a 23yr old striker who was one of the most coveted in Europe for a club record fee, Fabio Carvalho one of the best young talents in Europe who's soon to be 20yrs old and brought in an exciting 19yr old RB as cover for Alexander-Arnold.
Guys I think people want a midfielder
> Was voted down for suggesting this 2 weeks ago.
We already got Jay Spearing and Carvalho this summer!
I’m just sat here waiting for the news Liverpool did a shock move for Bellingham
I’m going to be here a while aren’t I?
We're still waiting for Reus
I’m visiting Liverpool next month for the wolves game. Landing in London and trying to go straight to Liverpool. Sounds like the best way is to take the tube to euston station and take that train to one of the Liverpool stations. Is the tube an easy walk from the airport? How much time do we need between landing internationally to get to euston station? I’m currently getting a message on the train ticket site that no tickets are confirmed for early next month- I heard there’s a strike going on or something. Is this something I need to worry about or will options start popping up in a couple weeks?
Additionally on match day I have crown plaza hospitality tickets- should we spend all morning there until the match or do some tourist stuff first? Anything else to do in game day before or after the match? Any other must sees in Liverpool?
I got the crowne plaza tickets for wolves too. See you there :)
Nobody knows strike dates yet.
What time are you arriving? Are you arriving on match day?
Must sees and tourist stuff is linked in sidebar not sure if it's out of date though. I'd assume most of it is kind of timeless
Arriving at heathrow the day before the match at about noon.
That's a relief, should be fine if there isn't a strike.
London has like 5 airports you need to be more precise
About 90mins from Heathrow to Euston if you take the tube only.
If you get the Heathrow express it will he a lot quicker but costs some more money
It says the only option for heathrow express is to London paddington. How to I get to the euston station from there? Or can I take that to Liverpool?
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If we sign Jude there's going to be a lot pressure on him, considering we passed on signing a midfielder for 3 summers just for a chance to sign him.
He will end up at Madrid, and we’ll be here this time next year shouting for a midfielder while the mouthpieces tell us that we already have 8 midfielders
There’d be big pressure on him regardless. 80-100m (probably be our record signing)20 year old English midfielder returning to England to play for the biggest club in the country
Luckily he’s insanely talented, has a really good intelligent head on his shoulders and would be working with Jurgen and our world class players. He’d be fine
My Darwin 27 shirt just arrived and it's perfect.
Considering he’ll likely get the number 9 if/when Firmino leaves next season, wouldn’t it have been better to wait to get his shirt for next season? Or do they do free number replacements?
He's number 27 this season. Unless by some miracle they go back to home kits lasting two years him changing next year won't matter at all and even then it would still be a top he wore with 27 on it.
No.27 is a goat number thanks to a certain someone still
I tend to get the home shirt most seasons so I'll probably just upgrade to the 9 next year. Also if he shreds the league and UCL this year it could be a nice throwback shirt in a couple years
Now the challenge is to keep it that way
The reds have got no midfielder but we’ll still win the league \~\~\~\~
What team is that in the gif, that looks like Leicester to me in the Europa league or Europa conference league.
Yea vs Legia Warsaw. Europa league.
Hilarious my guy used a Europa league gif to make a point about Liverpool
I really don't appreciate England making these Monday games inconvenient for me to watch in the US. Don't they know I have to work? This is about my happiness and the world revolves around me.
Mondays are my day off. I wish every match was on a Monday haha.
My boss knows that I’ll drop everything to watch a match
Try being Australian. I dare you.
I mean I could wake up at 5am and watch if I wanted. I cannot leave work at noon and watch.
I tried. But couldn't cope with being upside down
nothing a little alcohol dependancy issue wouldn't solve
I couldn't give a xxxx for aussie alcohol
I leave work 30 mins before kickoff but it takes longer than 30 mins to get home. Leaving early 2 Mondays in a row is just something my supervisor will have to deal with
Spoken like a true American, (Am American.)
I too am American and yes they should care about our happiness.
Can someone please send the link for the Liverpool discord server?
LaLiga starts tomorrow and Barcelona are yet to register any of these players:
Nothing a few levers can’t solve
I have no doubt in my mind that they'll find a way to sell some other part of their business and get everyone registered but it's absolutely insane that they decided to go out and sign these players without knowing for certain they'd be able to register them
Hope they can't. Lawyers are certainly going to be busy
I really hope they can't either. Clubs that play around with the rules need to suffer consequences. If they can be punished some way and fail in the CAS appeal it opens the door the the PL and UEFA to actually punish City
I think cas are lost cause at this point. Always seem to back the dark side
Speaking before this midfield mini-crisis, I think it would have been a great season for Jones to go out on loan.
Out of all our first team midfielders I would have him at the bottom of the pecking order. Hes played in a few big games but he hasnt taken any big strides during the prime of his development.
He needs week in week out football to work on his decision making and ball retention.
This is another (of the many reasons) we needed another midfielder even before the injuries happened. Jones desperately needs a loan. He has one glaring weakness (decision making regarding holding onto the ball) and he’s shown 0 signs of improving this weakness since he made his debut for us. He needs to be starting on a weekly basis to try and improve that part of his game, because if he doesn’t he’ll never make it here as a starter
Yeah Id go as far as saying Jones has regressed the past year besides the one game in the CL. Hes still living on the Everton goal.
Its definitely not a popular opinion but at this point in time, Jones isnt up to scratch. And if hes seen as a long term prospect for the club he needs regular games
I disagree. I think it’s obvious that he’s being trained to play in a specific way. Both from his performances, actions, and Klopp’s comments.
You could well be right. But I think game time would be helpful either way
In my opinion his weaknesses arent due to a particular style of play. Its basics like decision making in the final 3rd, and keeping hold of the ball. He is instent upon beating his man/men when a simple pass is available to him. Its frustrating to watch
The kids obviously got talent in spades, just needs time on the pitch to put it all together
Can anyone give me an update on the Barc situation ? I don't understand it and it changed so much. Why can't they register players. Do they have a wage cap ?
I dont understand fully myself but essentially La Liga FFP rules say that your wages can only be a certain percentage of your income. Trying to avoid clubs becoming insolvent like just about every single FFP rule is aimed at. Essentially until they either increase their income or reduce their wages they can't register new players or newly signed contracts.
So that's why they're trying to force De Jong and Braithwaite out of the club.
How come they can give such huge contracts to players. The revenue can't be higher than PL clubs and some of the deals they give are insanely high.
Part of it is higher attendance numbers due to larger capacity at Camp Nou than most English grounds. And the other thing is that they're like United in the sense that their brand is global and they sell a ton of merchandise and get a ton of money for their sponsorship deals because even though La Liga as a whole gets less TV money the Spanish clubs don't have the even split like in England. So Barca gets more money when they're on TV and less when they're not and bc of their larger brand they're on TV just about every weekend.
There is a strict wage cap in LaLiga. It's not only Barca, other clubs have had the same problem.
exactly - and it is based on the previous years income - so all clubs are struggeling, because of Covid - but all of them actually have the finances to pay - so there's buyback clauses on what Barca is selling - so it's kind of working like a loan.
Others leagues have wage caps as well, but first of all, it has not been as strict, and most have suspended it.
At the same time, the person in charge for LaLiga, and by that in charge of keeping the strict wage cap apperently has a conflict of interest, since he have some sort of deal that gives him money for everytime the company buying the tv rights get's to buy it.
...according to what I've heard from somebody who's having some close insights to everything LaLiga.
Saw some rumors that Tielemans is available for 25£ mil. c’mon, surelly thats reasonable deal for us in current situation.
Tielemans is the most overrated player in the league.
It seems reasonable on paper but he probably doesn’t fit the profile of player we want. No point in spending 25m for a player that doesn’t fit the team
Given his evaluation last summer window this seems like a steal. Yeah he didnt have a great season but neither did Leicester for large patches.
I wonder what his wage demands are
Really want Spurs and Chelsea to draw on Sunday. A win for Spurs confirms their pl title in their head and Chelsea is just a despicable club which I always want to see not win
Don't mind them thinking they are in chase only to be brought back to ground
Klopp has been manager for 4 ucl finals and 1 EL final, out of which only 1 was won. what do u think is the reason? i think because in 2012 and 2018,it was more like they came against a very heavy team. 2016 was just start at Liverpool so it was just a blessing that we even went to final. 2019 we won it wonderfully. 2022, we were favorites seeing starting XI but because of a very long season, we somehow didnt find an open space against giraffe. subs didnt make much of impact. whereas, madrid has so much experience in this competition and they were not fighting like frenzy for league, yk just a normal day at office. beating psg, chelsea and city gave them ALOT of confidence.
It was 2013 not 12
Should have won in 2016 and 2022. We played better and failed to take our chances. We paid for that in both finals.
2018 Real had a better side overall and Ramos injured Salah plus Karius happened.
I don't remember watching Klopps 2012 final.
In the 2013 lost to a last minute goal it was a pretty close game from what I remember
If this energy price cap keeps rising, we'll be selling players to keep the lights on!
Lol it's not even a joke anymore, these rich guys and banks want people to be in debt so they can take all the houses back. Property will be worth so much in 15 years.
Feels like Forest are signing a new player everyday lmao
Really interested to see how they get on this season. Could be really exciting or an absolute disaster with the amount of new faces brought in
10th highest expenditure and 6th highest net spend in all of Europe. Wild stuff.
All I care is that they loaned Layrea back to TFC
I haven’t seen this being posted on here, no idea why though.
Even a few days later it still cheers me up.
The funniest part in all this is that I think there's a decent section of our supporters who wished Klopp would disagree with the owners about spending and transfers, when essentially the reason we've been so successful the last couple years is that Klopp and the owners are almost in complete agreement in that department.
How is that funny? I don’t particularly find it hilarious that we’re on course for a repeat of 20/21 because the club is happy to go into the season without addressing a significant lack of depth, but you do you
It's funny because people tend to unsurprisingly absolve the responsibility the manager has in the strategy and blame the people they don't like.
Also, "significant lack of depth" is more usual nonsense. What we would do ideally is replace the injury prone and inconsistent midfielders, not to mindlessly add more depth, but Klopp and the club don't want to do that. Unless you want a change of what is a generally successful transfer strategy, that the manager also happens to agree with, then all you can do is accept the reality.
The injury prone and inconsistent midfielders = there is a lack of depth.
I’m not asking for a regime change, I’m wanting the club to show some ambition and go for Someone affordable who would make the team better, like Nunes, instead of happily wasting another season like we did in 20/21.
I agree it is very much reality that Klopp and FSG won’t bring in another midfielder, but I’m not going to be happy about it, just like I wasn’t happy about us not bringing in a CB in summer 2020
We have 1 PL and CL only because the owner is cheap. Klopp has got max value working with what he has. Aging and injury prone squad this season will be a tough test
This is the 2nd funniest part. Pretending that Klopp gives himself this handicap and works miracles. As if he doesn't understand that if we signed a couple more players, we'd actually be winning every trophy every season. Silly Jurgen. Not sure why he keeps extending his contract. Must be he loves fans like you.
You're forgetting we are going against a state owned team that flaunts FFP and has broken FFP 4 times without being pu ished, if it wasn't for them we'd be stuck on 3-4 more PL titles, remember that.
Neatly forgetting that we've won literally every trophy possible at club level despite our arch rivals being a oil money monolith the entire time.
Keita extension incoming on deadline day to distract us from another atrocious window
People would take this really badly lol. Always thought they did Hendo dirty last season with that announcement.
If you think our window's been 'atrocious', I'd love to see what you'd call one like United are having.
If you’re missing one player that isn’t atrocious compared to multiple
Getting rid of some dead wood and bringing in 3 great/potentially world class young talents = atrocious? Go support city
I wouldn't term Taki as Deadwood though.
How was the window "atrocious"?
So frustrating to see the club waste another summer yet again, and no don't tell me we signed Nunez! We were forced to because Mane wanted to leave. If Mane didn't leave, then we wouldn't have signed Nunez. All I can hope for is to see another Diaz type signing during the winter break for the midfield.
From the way Pep and Klopp have spoken about Darwin, we would have signed him regardless. They followed and studied him to such an extent that they knew his shoe size before our games against Benfica. Pep also mentioned in his book that Darwin was one of the five players who was highly admired by our coaches.
Wasted another summer where we broke our transfer record on a striker, got RB backup for Trent and signed an exciting young midfielder?
Chance of starting with a midfield 2 on Monday?
High because we won’t have enough midfielders to rotate with 3 over the course of the season
Possibly even less
50%. We either start with 2 or we don't.
What happens when there's a 100 % chance so?
The maths check out
Trusting Harvey is fine but we did this with Curtis Jones and barely scraped fourth.
We're showing a lack of ambition again and it's frustrating.
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> Trusting Harvey is fine but we did this with Curtis Jones and barely scraped fourth.
I think that might have had more to do with having every single player who could play at CB get injured at some point, leading us to have to use 17 different CB pairings.
Klopp really loves Harvey doesn't he? The lad definitely has the ability lets see how he matures I think he'll be a star personally
More contract extensions than goals/assists for us lol
Also goals/assists is a terrible way to measure the contribution of players in our midfield. Usually the pass before the assist
He's obviously said that as a joke haha, fuck me some people on here are so uptight
Oh right fair enough haha. I just read it and laughed and I love Elliot so just presumed he was joking.
Fabinho has been 28 for the last 5 years, change my mind
Had this argument elsewhere and need to vent;
The best time to bed in young players is when everything is going well, not when we're in the middle of a crisis.
People think that when things are going well young players won't get a look in, and it's true that they have less chance for minutes in a quality squad, but when they do get minutes there's less pressure and they look better playing in a good team. When you're relying on young players to win you every game (like we will be this season with midfielders) you're mounting the pressure on them and you will write them off when they don't live up to standards set by 28 year old veteran mids
Trent was not introduced when everything was going well I would say.
How the hell is playing 1 or maybe 2 youngsters (who have already had bags of experience in the championship) "relying on young players to win you every game"? It's not like we're fielding a u21 team, it's literally 1 or 2 players out of 11.
Also it worked out pretty well when we did it with Trent who had way less experience than Harvey or Carvalho.
Because we're not playing young players in order to give senior players a rest and because they're good enough, we'll be playing them because everyone else is injured and they're the last resort. That's why we'll be relying on them
"Also it worked out with *extremely rare case*" is never a good argument for what is optimal
But that's just not true is it? Just cause you think Elliott and Carvalho aren't good enough doesn't mean that Klopp and his team think the same and going off of what we've seen at the start of last season and the comments Klopp made about both players he clearly thinks they are good enough.
Also not "everyone else" is injured. Fab, Hendo and Keita (a midfield that played significant minutes last season) are all healthy afaik and there's also Milner whose literal job is to be cover for when we have injuries. It's not Man City level depth but it's a far cry from what this sub is making it out to be.
The thing I hate about this sub is this kind of over optimism, I'd love it if it continued throughout the season, but the fact is when we lose a couple of games this sub will lose its fucking mind
I'm not saying our players are shit, but I guarantee that all of you will be the moment we start struggling