Thought it was a well spreaded news around the world (as I'm Brazilian), but Lucas Leiva wife has confirmed he is signing with his former Brazilian side Grêmio, which is currently in the second division.
[Source](https://ge.globo.com/rs/futebol/times/gremio/noticia/2022/06/20/esposa-de-lucas-leiva-comemora-acerto-com-o-gremio-vontade-gigante-de-colaborar.ghtml) (it contains the link to her instagram post as well)
Exactly. Grêmio is one of the most successful teams in Brazil. They were national cup winners and continental champions last decade but were relegated last year.
Every now and then Lucas shared some posts mentioning his former club, and even pictures with his whole family on the club’s threads.
Douglas Costa was on the roster recently, too.
So now we got 7 midfielders for 3 spots and 5 attackers +Carvalho for 3 spots. Lighter on attacking depth.
3 outs and 3 in so far, but hope we add a starting quality midfielders or an attacker.
There's little chance of Salah renewing. Liverpool are unwilling to match the wages I expect other clubs would offer. add to that the signing bonus he's expected to have Liverpool's offer is not even close. Which is fine. I guess. whatever, just a bad thought.
If there was any hope of him staying, it ended after Mane's earnings at BM were reported. Mo will have little issue finding someone to pay him 400k/w, at this point ill be happy just to not have him go to City(it wouldn't shock me NGL).
Imagine sterling's boos, but about 100x worse lol
Atleast we got 50 million for Sterling.
I can't see Salah going City though. Maybe Real Madrid now that they didn't get Mbappe
Why we letting fringe players move on without trying to sign replacements...Like squad depth is looking thin, especially for a season where there will be mant games
Who are you supposed to replace fringe players with on the market?
Taki started one league game for us last season, it's why he's moving on. You might as well call up from the academy if involvement in the latter half of the season is that minimal.
Gonna sign Lewandoski to come lead our league cup defence charge. Maybe pick up Mbappe as well to help out with the FA Cup and come of the bench against the Ev if we ever need someone to play the Origi role
Back the youth. Klopp and others at the club have been pretty vocal about wanting to develop the academy and only way we do that is if we actually give academy kids a chance to play
Be great if we actually blooded a few young forwards in league games and see how they all do. When last time a genuine academy product (a forward that is) coming through had few minutes in a league game ? (Gordon came from Derby )
Can't we just loan out academy players like we just did with Bradley? Would much prefer that and then keep fringe players like taki and origi to actually go deep into cups.
Our academy so rarely produces top quality talent anyway - sometimes regular minutes can be more beneficial than playing the odd cup game and training with the first team. Like Elliot had with Blackburn.
> Our academy so rarely produces top quality talent anyway
The point is to try and change that
>sometimes regular minutes can be more beneficial than playing the odd cup game and training with the first team
People always say this but when has this ever been the case? How many academy players do you know that got regular minutes elsewhere and then made a career with us?
>Like Elliot had with Blackburn.
Calling Elliot an academy player is a real stretch anyway. He's Fulham academy. Trent and Curtis are the only academy players we have who've cemented themselves within the first team and both have never been out on loan.
Taki was signed for £7 million, I reckon £15 million to Monaco is a fair amount.
As for Mane his contract is expiring, his age and the desire to play for Bayern mean we couldn't ask for much of a fee. Lose him for £35 million or 0 million?
Diaz and Salah are the only wingers left at the club. Jota at least can play well from the left and Nunez too from what I have read. Elliots future seems in midfield and Carvalho seems more central too
Minaminos ability to put a shift in from either wing will be missed
>Diaz and Salah are the only wingers left at the club
Jota is literally a winger
>Minaminos ability to put a shift in from either wing will be missed
Minamino has 5 league appearances where he played 10 or more minutes. In only 2 of those did he play 30 or more (these two also happened to be the only 2 times he played on the wing, both times the right wing). Not sure how many of those I'd consider as "shifts that he put in" and it's doubtful that they'll be some great loss.
Shouldn't we cash in on Salah now if he is not signing the contact?
Next season, Salah will go for free, and we might not afford his replacement and Jude at the same transfer?
I reckon we go for Saka or Raphinha.
It seems he is linked to Arsenal. I'm susprised that Arsenal are going for him despite having Saka in the same position.
Could it mean Saka is not signing a new contract and Arsenal is buying for a replacement since Raphinha is avalaible?
Against low-block teams we put in many crosses, but fail to benefit from it mostly.
With his height, Nunez could give us an edge in the aerial threat.
Now, we'll no longer be limited in offense
I hope he does but…. How would he be that player ? I thought he was at his best playing counter attacking football and struggled at the games against low blocks in Portugal.
Just having a physical number 9 in the box will help us.
Literally how we used to bring on Origi against defensive teams (like Everton etc) and he would make a difference, it would be the same but with (hopefully) a much better player
I get that Jose Enrique is a big fan of us but am I the only one who’s kinda getting annoyed by how much he tweets about us and rival teams. He tweets like one of them toxic football twitter accounts
Feeling a bit unreasonably bitter about Mane's move which is starting to annoy me because I shouldn't be. Maybe it's the price, the pre-CL final comments or maybe just sadness but it's definitely left a bit of a bitter taste.
A part of me feels that the relationship has come to a natural end, it’s time to start the shift to our next front three, although Bobby was the obvious first sale, harder to realise his value though as he is similar to a custom made sword for Klopp
Look at the positive side. We will always remember Sadio to be part of our winning and dominating front 3. And don't have to see him downgrading to squad players, with Diaz and Nunez surely will slowly cement their stay in Sadio position
I am sad that it ends. Of course. But without being able to turn back the time, this is the best time for him to leave
It never feels good to see a player like Sadio go. It's probably mixed in with missing out on the league/CL. It's just not the note we wanted to finish on with him.
It sure would suck if nuñez ended up being so amazing that we wouldn't be able to afford his inevitably unreasonable wage demands, then losing him for free. It would suck even more if he wasn't good at all though
Chill mate, one day at a time. He is with us for Six Years. It would indeed be great for us, if he turns into a world class player.
Coutinho left and we did just fine. Don't worry about things we can't forsee or control mate, instead focus what we can. YNWA🎈🎈
Won’t have to worry about that until 2027 but yes we can sign and create world class players but forget about keeping them because of our precious “wage structure”
If Thiago and Fab didnt pass their fitness tests imagine that midfield we would’ve had to start vs Madrid in a CL final. Either depending on a 36 year old or a 19 year old and Keita. We definitely need more quality options in that department
You could literally say this for any club.
Like, what if Modric and Casemerio had been out for the final for Madrid. They would have to depend on a 19 year old Camavinga and one of Isco or Ceballos.
What if City made the final and De Bruyne and Rodri were injured. They would have to depend on 37 year old Fernandinho and 31 year old Gundogan
Well Man City lost a player in Fernandinho and did not sign any midfielder while Real Madrid did sign a midfielder but also lost a midfielder in Isco.
On the other hand we have not lost any midfielders but did sign one in Carvalho.
Therefore it's fair to say that so far we've been far more proactive in the market when it comes to midfielders.
1. You not liking how we addressed our "depth issues" does not mean we did not address those "issues". If you're not happy with it, that's your problem, deal with it yourself instead of blaming the club.
2. They lost a player who they had to replace, we did not.
> You do realise this is a discussion forum?
Yes a discussion forum, not a tantrum forum.
>Love to hear your thoughts on Carvalho anchoring our midfield as a 6
That's what we have Hendo and Fabinho in case you forgot.
Except there was a strong possibility of that happening to us. Wasn’t a crazy hypothetical. Also all those players you named are better depth options than Milner, Keita, Elliot. Like Gundogan or Camavinga >>>> Elliot or Milner
But the fact it could’ve and was very close to happening is the concerning part I’m not sure how you can’t see that. Yes we got lucky this time but who’s to say we will next time without a contingency plan in place. Just because something didn’t happen this time doesn’t mean we don’t plan for it in the future. It’s a logical fallacy. “Oh I didn’t drown this time guess I never have to wear a life jacket”
But it can happen to fucking anyone. Injuries happen in football. Get over it.
And who's to say we don't have a contingency plan. Keita and Milner and Jones and Elliot and Ox and even Firmino in a 4231 are the contingency plan. If you don't personally like the contingency plan that's your problem, not Liverpool FC's problem.
Just seen the lad Arsenal have signed. Bloody hell, he's skinny. Unless he has a major body transformation fairly soon, I can't see how he's going to compete physically. Maybe he's a long-term option, but I get Iago Aspas vibes.
Tbf look at David Silva yet he is one of the prems greatest midfielders. Liga Nos watchers have said he’s the best young talent in the league so it’ll be interesting to see how he develops
It was such a weird transfer. Everyone (well, pundits) was raving about it last summer, and I just thought it was stupid. A 29 year old for that kind of money, on those wages, who was quite notable in having a difficult time last time he was here? It just seemed stupid. Then I saw him playing and it was confirmed. He looked like an ex-pro who'd just come out of retirement for Soccer Aid.
He started very well tbh and looked like he was going to be the missing piece for Chelsea's title challenge.
I still remember everyone hyping up the Lukaku vs VVD match up when we played them early in the season as if he was prime Ronaldo lol
In one weeks time I’m going to type out a bland “Mane is so classy” comment you’ve all read a 1000 times and then post a screenshot of the comment. Might throw in a picture of him idk.
I’ll expect at least 1.5K karma so get ready.
Just got my Thiago jersey but it runs a bit big on me, which is a disappointment. Looking at the return policy and it says no returns/exchanges on personalised items :/
Well fuck me
When the Chelsea takeover happened the noise of their club was that they were trying to replicate what we’ve done, but their targets seem to be aging players, and they seem to be asking tuchel for targets rather than having a team for transfers like we do.
I don’t see this working for them. Which is great news obviously.
I mean when we first started it we wasn’t having much success it’s going to take them time to get the right people in to have a successful team like we do.
Yeah? Like what? I genuinely can’t think of a terrible decision we’ve made since klopp came in. Keita could be considered a bad one. I guess maybe Karius, but he was 4.5 mil as a help out to mignonette to get us cl football which we got.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but can we just stop with Sadio posts? Club legend, love the guy, but it's official, he doesn't play here anymore. He left with out a transfer saga, awesome, we dont need a bunch of posts about it. He's done great thing for his home village, we've known this for years. We don't need a bunch of posts about it. Again, he's a legend and we should always remember him, but he's gone, we dont need a million posts. I'm gonna be real bitter all season if we try and post every goal he scores.
Also the posts on the main sub about his philanthropy that he did way before he moved.
And then another post about how he's good because he scored a lot of UCL goals.
We know, we were there. We've been in the final 3 of the last four years. This isn't something new. If you have even a passing interest in European football you know this.
I think you’re overreacting. It’s the summer and there’s nothing else to talk about. He also just left, and he’s probably a borderline Liverpool legend so there’s gonna be talk about it.
If we signed Bellingham this week, no one would be talking about mane at all.
There's a lot of people that only became fans in the last 3-4 years and haven't experienced a star player leaving before. It's getting to be really fucking annoying.
How many players in the last 10 years that have left have been instrumental in winning titles?
Plenty of players have left us in fairly recent years, but none come close to the contributions of Mane.
Torres was more important to the team at that point than Mané is now when he left. (It turned out shit, but we didn't know that was going to happen.)
Suárez WAS the team when he left.
Wijnaldum was extremely important to our side when he left, might not have been as popular, but if you say he wasn't important, I can't help you.
Ehhhh I've been supporting Liverpool for a while and I don't agree with u about it being the new fans
I think theres a few reasons why ppl are sad about Mane leaving
1) He was the first player signed by Klopp that truly helped turn the club around
2) He's been an important part of the most successful period of the club for for the last 20+ years
3) He's part of the front 3 that have given us so many special moments
4) Unlike torres and Suarez, he's never put in transfer requests or been a problematic player for the team
I don't see anything wrong with the Mane posts tbh
I'm not meaning that I don't think people can't be sad that he's leaving. I'd rather he stayed too! But looking at this sub recently you'd think the lad had died. It's a little much.
Unpopular opinion:
Months ago I saw someone post in a match thread that they were concerned Mane isn’t happy at at Liverpool because he wasn’t smiling when scoring and didn’t seem as happy as before.
It was met with tons of comments saying “don’t be ridiculous” - “that’s just mane” - “ffs people find anything to criticize about” etc etc
But it probably had some truth to it.
I think we are an always-be-positive bunch to a fault, sometimes when there is smoke there is fire and acknowledging possibilities of negative outcomes is fine.
You can be happy enough where you are and still change jobs. Honestly the pitch is a place you dont usually bring the outside world to, I think we read too much into everything.
https://twitter.com/DoctorMUFC/status/1538998225436295168?t=AuWMD8JXxIEVD2f0ntC-kw&s=19
Lmao United rejected again. Eriksen would rather stay with Brentford or go be a squad player with Spurs than play for United
I think it comes down more to the fact that United isn't going to sit Bruno on the bench to get plating time for Eriksen. Tottenham is a great choice for him and he would be that creative attacking mid which would allow Kane to move back up the field and get more goals.
> It's exactly what we've done in the past and will continue to do in the future.
How so? VVD was only player I know theyve waited for.
We shouldnt be waiting We should move for other players. Theres no time to be wasting. So much can change in a year
> We shouldnt be waiting We should move for other players.
The club clearly wants to sign a Midfielder that's an upgrade on our current starting options, so given the club has obviously decided the options behind Tchouameni aren't good enough, yes we should and no we shouldn't.
Signing players that we want and that are best suited to what we required from them is what's turned the club back into the behemoth that it should be, not signing any random players just because they're available.
I also don't understand how there's a sentiment from a section of this fanbase that the players that got Liverpool closer to a quadruple than any side ever and set a new club record for goals scored in a season at 147, have somehow turned to shit in the roughly three weeks since the last season ended.
Waited for Keita, waited for Diaz until we couldn't any longer also, the plan was summer but hand was forced. Waited too long for Sancho also. Its a strategy you can do when your team is already as good as ours is.
Buying the best or hottest names all the time doesn't work, we've a few amusing examples below us
Famously waited to sign a CB (Konate), too, opting to enter a season with only 3 senior CBs. What followed is an example of the one time we signed a stopgap in the form of Ben Davies and Kabak...midseason... for the extremely limited purpose of just fielding a team with CBs in it. Both of whom were quickly out of the 1st team again when Konate was signed.
Wild how people cannot see the tenants Klopp, recruitment, and FSG work under to this day. It's Virgil or the next Virgil (Konate), no bargain brand Virgils. It's Mane or the next Mane (Diaz) no bargain brand Manes. It's Firmino or the next Firmino (Nunez), no bargain brand Firminos.
Honestly I dont get all these heartbroken posts. I was heartbroken when Torres left, Mané is going and leaving us still one of the best teams in the league with no bad blood. Maybe I'm just old
In general terms, we are completely stacked with midfielders. Hendo, Fabinho, Thiago, Keita, Milner, Ox, Jones, Elliot, Carvalho. We for sure have more quantity than quality right now, but we don't need a loan, we need a permanent new CM and this transfer window seems to not offer what Klopp needs.
Also next summer we are probably letting Milner and Ox go, probably Jones and Elliot can have succesful loans to gain experience and that would be the moment to buy Bellingham
We don't really take players on loan as a club. AFAIK we had Kabak, before that it was Caulker in 2016 and Sahin, Aly and Moses under Brendan. None of those went well (barring maybe Kabak but even then we didn't exercise a cheap buy option) and I'd speculate that FSG aren't keen on the idea.
We'd rather have no deadwood to sell and keep the squad smaller than have a bloated one. It seems a decision based on philosophy over short-term practicality
Getting a midfielder on loan when they're most likely fighting for a spot on the bench doesn't make much sense. Our loan of Kabak at CB was also quite a miss. Don't think we're into loans unless we have some interest in signing later.
Please excuse me as I’m feeling deeply bitter. Honestly I’m hope the mane news can quickly just be official. Im done with the whole milking of this mane saga. Im also waiting to see if he would address us officially and thank the club for the time. I have my reservation. Again excuse me for leaving such a bitter comment. I feel like a broken ex.
>Torres left, Suárez left, Coutinho left. We're still doing alright.
Torres was the canary in the coal mine. He saw that Liverpool was dropping off and wanted out. It took years to turn things around from that point.
It was a low ebb for sure. Torres leaving was a massive blow to the club, Mané leaves us after 6 yrs of great service and in a better place than we were at the start of those years.
What part of it is hogwash, or doesn't make sense, exactly? Really the only thing that is speculative is whether or not the club are worried Bellingham will demand too much next summer. Everything else is pretty much common knowledge (e.g. Haaland's and Nunez's wages, interest in Aurélien Tchouaméni but for his wages, etc.).
> Made 0 sense
It made perfect sense as it's exactly what we've done in the past to outstanding success and it's what we'll continue to do in the future as well.
Decided to use this transfer season to flair up with a true Liverpool legend. Local lad, born a blue, got his head straight and became a red. Played for us for years quietly with minimum fuss. Left quietly when his time was up. Won the greatest ever final in football history on one leg. And now is the best pundit on TV.
Jamie Carragher. You're a Liverpool legend.
>! Shouldn't have spat on that little girl though!<
I wish I could experience Gerrard's time at the club again.
It was probably around 2004 when I started watching Liverpool play week in week out and Gerrard had already established himself as a top player. For the next decade, he was the face of the club, and it was so weird when he left - this is going to sound crap, but I almost had to relearn to support the club again, like remind myself that I was supporting Liverpool and not Steven Gerrard's Liverpool. I'd never properly known Liverpool without Gerrard and it was strange not to have that constant. The guy who would save the day when we were in trouble. The guy who, no matter how shit we were, gave me belief we could win because we had Stevie G.
Because I didn't have a time before he was with us to compare to, I don't think I ever registered how good he actually was. I wish I could re-experience Gerrard at the club again now I'm older and wiser (questionable) and truly take in how he was as a player, and not just as this legendary heroic figure who'd save our skin time and time again.
Honestly, a lot of Gerrards time at Liverpool wasnt a great time to be a fan aside from watching a legend play. We nearly went out of business, only infrequently challenged for honours and had some real shite wear the shirt. Then there's the Hodgson dark age, 35m on Andy Carroll. Gerrard was incredible but as a supporter, the Klopp years have been infinitely more enjoyable.
There's not a lot I wouldnt sacrifice to have a 23/24 year old Gerrard in this team though. (Which now I read again, might have been what you meant).
For sure. I loved most of the Rafa years though, especially those epic Champions League runs. In fact some of the CL ties from that era are still some of my favourite memories as a fan. But we're really spoiled under Klopp.
I suppose you could look at Trent as the closest comparison of today. Hopefully he continues to develop well into his 20's like Gerrard did. Already a fantastic player.
The Rafa years were great for sure, we did play some fucking awful football sometimes under him but we had those wild European games and, of course, the best CL final of all time.
Benitez's team without Torres and Gerrard was fucking miserable to watch at times though! :'D
Chelsea i can understand. Shitty club, desparate enough from years of inconsistent no 9s to pay this moron.
What's Spurs' excuse? They of all clubs know what a good striker looks like - Kane, Defoe, Crouch, Keane, even kanoute wasn't half bad - all part of their history. Unforgivable for them to sign a underwhelming halfwit like richarlison
I’ve always found it difficult to afford jerseys with all the other shit I need to spend on… but I was able to snag a Mane jersey from someone for like $40 and it gets in today. Gonna miss Sadio but so pumped for this top.
He'll choose money or the opportunity to become a legend (and still dumb high money tbh).
If he chooses money, he's not the right guy for this club anyway.
The reds have got no Mané, but we’ll still win the league! :(
Chances we see more of the 4-2-3-1 next year?
Nunez Diaz - Bobby - Salah Thiago - Fabinho Robbo - Virgil - Konate - Trent Alisson Jota, Carvalho, Elliott, Jones, Henderson, Keita, Tsimikas, Matip, Gomez, Ramsay, Milner, Kelleher That’s tasty.
High. The depth chart makes significantly more sense when you line us up in a 4231
Thought it was a well spreaded news around the world (as I'm Brazilian), but Lucas Leiva wife has confirmed he is signing with his former Brazilian side Grêmio, which is currently in the second division. [Source](https://ge.globo.com/rs/futebol/times/gremio/noticia/2022/06/20/esposa-de-lucas-leiva-comemora-acerto-com-o-gremio-vontade-gigante-de-colaborar.ghtml) (it contains the link to her instagram post as well)
Gremio is where he came from right? I remember because i used to have a pen pal on Orkut who was a gremio fan
Exactly. Grêmio is one of the most successful teams in Brazil. They were national cup winners and continental champions last decade but were relegated last year. Every now and then Lucas shared some posts mentioning his former club, and even pictures with his whole family on the club’s threads. Douglas Costa was on the roster recently, too.
Interesting. Good luck to him and gremio!
Maybe he can be our midfield depth /s
Nice! One of my all time fav players 😁 happy he is going home
unluckeeee
So now we got 7 midfielders for 3 spots and 5 attackers +Carvalho for 3 spots. Lighter on attacking depth. 3 outs and 3 in so far, but hope we add a starting quality midfielders or an attacker.
I think Gordon might be in the mix some this season
That's a good call out. Optimistically he might play a big role this season, will be exciting to see how he has progressed in the preseason.
I know that it’s just fake rumours but I would be so fuckin happy if we signed Barella
There's little chance of Salah renewing. Liverpool are unwilling to match the wages I expect other clubs would offer. add to that the signing bonus he's expected to have Liverpool's offer is not even close. Which is fine. I guess. whatever, just a bad thought.
>just a bad thought. I'll give you one more. His depth option is Ox. If Salah leaves, we might end up extending ox's contract
If there was any hope of him staying, it ended after Mane's earnings at BM were reported. Mo will have little issue finding someone to pay him 400k/w, at this point ill be happy just to not have him go to City(it wouldn't shock me NGL).
How would fan base react ?
Imagine sterling's boos, but about 100x worse lol Atleast we got 50 million for Sterling. I can't see Salah going City though. Maybe Real Madrid now that they didn't get Mbappe
Like Torres, but x 10,000 worse. I might actually fall into depression and die from heartbreak. Salah's my favourite player 😭
Raphinha maybe not going to Barca after all. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us linked with him to put pressure on the Mo negotiations
Isn’t he going Arsenal?
He’s wanted by at least 4 of the traditional big six, I’d imagine he would want Barca or Liverpool
Idk. That’s be a good signing for them. I just thought that the club might tease sth to their journos for leverage in the Salah contract
Why we letting fringe players move on without trying to sign replacements...Like squad depth is looking thin, especially for a season where there will be mant games
Who are you supposed to replace fringe players with on the market? Taki started one league game for us last season, it's why he's moving on. You might as well call up from the academy if involvement in the latter half of the season is that minimal.
Gonna sign Lewandoski to come lead our league cup defence charge. Maybe pick up Mbappe as well to help out with the FA Cup and come of the bench against the Ev if we ever need someone to play the Origi role
Back the youth. Klopp and others at the club have been pretty vocal about wanting to develop the academy and only way we do that is if we actually give academy kids a chance to play
Be great if we actually blooded a few young forwards in league games and see how they all do. When last time a genuine academy product (a forward that is) coming through had few minutes in a league game ? (Gordon came from Derby )
Can't we just loan out academy players like we just did with Bradley? Would much prefer that and then keep fringe players like taki and origi to actually go deep into cups.
How many academy players do you know who we've loaned out and they've actually come back and made a decent career at Liverpool?
Our academy so rarely produces top quality talent anyway - sometimes regular minutes can be more beneficial than playing the odd cup game and training with the first team. Like Elliot had with Blackburn.
> Our academy so rarely produces top quality talent anyway The point is to try and change that >sometimes regular minutes can be more beneficial than playing the odd cup game and training with the first team People always say this but when has this ever been the case? How many academy players do you know that got regular minutes elsewhere and then made a career with us? >Like Elliot had with Blackburn. Calling Elliot an academy player is a real stretch anyway. He's Fulham academy. Trent and Curtis are the only academy players we have who've cemented themselves within the first team and both have never been out on loan.
>actually give academy kids a chance to play They have been,
Good, let's do it more
Can't be only one who thinks we could have gotten more for Mane and Taki. Ik Mane wanted to leave but both transfers were lower than our valuation
Taki was signed for £7 million, I reckon £15 million to Monaco is a fair amount. As for Mane his contract is expiring, his age and the desire to play for Bayern mean we couldn't ask for much of a fee. Lose him for £35 million or 0 million?
Plus it seemed like his heart was set on Bayern, not much chance of a bidding war
‘twas the saddest outgoings window ever
Getting loads of business done this window. Hopefully Klopp's plan goes to...plan.
Squad depth getting weaker 😬
Diaz and Salah are the only wingers left at the club. Jota at least can play well from the left and Nunez too from what I have read. Elliots future seems in midfield and Carvalho seems more central too Minaminos ability to put a shift in from either wing will be missed
Yeah, I can see us playing TAA as a more advanced *winger* when Salah is out
>Diaz and Salah are the only wingers left at the club Jota is literally a winger >Minaminos ability to put a shift in from either wing will be missed Minamino has 5 league appearances where he played 10 or more minutes. In only 2 of those did he play 30 or more (these two also happened to be the only 2 times he played on the wing, both times the right wing). Not sure how many of those I'd consider as "shifts that he put in" and it's doubtful that they'll be some great loss.
Jota is not a winger he’s an inside forward at best.
We play with inside forwards not wingers. Neither Mane or Salah are traditional wingers . Right?
Agree, Takk did quite okay at the right wing too
Be interesting which young guys takes up his minutes when needed.
Shouldn't we cash in on Salah now if he is not signing the contact? Next season, Salah will go for free, and we might not afford his replacement and Jude at the same transfer? I reckon we go for Saka or Raphinha.
How do you plan on selling a player who has literally said he is playing for us next season in a live press conference?
Raphinha is leaving Leeds this summer
It seems he is linked to Arsenal. I'm susprised that Arsenal are going for him despite having Saka in the same position. Could it mean Saka is not signing a new contract and Arsenal is buying for a replacement since Raphinha is avalaible?
This might be a daft take, but if Nunez becomes the key for us to break down low blocks... frankly he's worth two players.
Koncheski and who else?
If he finishes even half the clear chances we missed last season we're set
Against low-block teams we put in many crosses, but fail to benefit from it mostly. With his height, Nunez could give us an edge in the aerial threat. Now, we'll no longer be limited in offense
I hope he does but…. How would he be that player ? I thought he was at his best playing counter attacking football and struggled at the games against low blocks in Portugal.
Just having a physical number 9 in the box will help us. Literally how we used to bring on Origi against defensive teams (like Everton etc) and he would make a difference, it would be the same but with (hopefully) a much better player
Nunez is an pretty good finisher from what I've seen. Trent, Robbo, Mo and Thiago are all elite creators.
I get that Jose Enrique is a big fan of us but am I the only one who’s kinda getting annoyed by how much he tweets about us and rival teams. He tweets like one of them toxic football twitter accounts
If I was rich and had nothing better to do but support my football team, we'd all be exactly the same
Love the guy, and we’re all Jose Enrique in a way but I unfollowed him. Content was getting a little much
Still the most successful keeper we ever signed! (Small sample size warning).
Taki fast approaching a move to Monaco, could all be wrapped up soon
Feeling a bit unreasonably bitter about Mane's move which is starting to annoy me because I shouldn't be. Maybe it's the price, the pre-CL final comments or maybe just sadness but it's definitely left a bit of a bitter taste.
A part of me feels that the relationship has come to a natural end, it’s time to start the shift to our next front three, although Bobby was the obvious first sale, harder to realise his value though as he is similar to a custom made sword for Klopp
Look at the positive side. We will always remember Sadio to be part of our winning and dominating front 3. And don't have to see him downgrading to squad players, with Diaz and Nunez surely will slowly cement their stay in Sadio position I am sad that it ends. Of course. But without being able to turn back the time, this is the best time for him to leave
It never feels good to see a player like Sadio go. It's probably mixed in with missing out on the league/CL. It's just not the note we wanted to finish on with him.
The problem is that we emphasize character now. So everyone we lose is a great guy . Even the less successful players.
It sure would suck if nuñez ended up being so amazing that we wouldn't be able to afford his inevitably unreasonable wage demands, then losing him for free. It would suck even more if he wasn't good at all though
Chill mate, one day at a time. He is with us for Six Years. It would indeed be great for us, if he turns into a world class player. Coutinho left and we did just fine. Don't worry about things we can't forsee or control mate, instead focus what we can. YNWA🎈🎈
Yeah it would suck, because the last time we brought in an amazing goalscorer who'd eventually have huge demands, we won fucking everything.
Well it’s going to be at least 6 years before that happens
Just have to hope he lives up to the price tag within that time at least. He'll need to get used to breaking through packed boxes for sure
Won’t have to worry about that until 2027 but yes we can sign and create world class players but forget about keeping them because of our precious “wage structure”
Kept the team together quite well in the last few years. Mane is the first big one leaving since Coutinho I think?
If Thiago and Fab didnt pass their fitness tests imagine that midfield we would’ve had to start vs Madrid in a CL final. Either depending on a 36 year old or a 19 year old and Keita. We definitely need more quality options in that department
Lool Exactly. And these guys want to wait until next next summer for a midfielder. Liverpool need two midfielders
You could literally say this for any club. Like, what if Modric and Casemerio had been out for the final for Madrid. They would have to depend on a 19 year old Camavinga and one of Isco or Ceballos. What if City made the final and De Bruyne and Rodri were injured. They would have to depend on 37 year old Fernandinho and 31 year old Gundogan
Your argument kind of falls apart when the names you bring up are noticeably better then the players we'd have in the same situation.
Just because you personally don't rate our depth doesn't mean we don't have any depth
Camavinga is literally better than most of our backup midfield
The fact that you personally don't rate our depth doesn't mean that it doesn't exist
And who have each club signed for their midfield this summer to address their depth issues?
Well Man City lost a player in Fernandinho and did not sign any midfielder while Real Madrid did sign a midfielder but also lost a midfielder in Isco. On the other hand we have not lost any midfielders but did sign one in Carvalho. Therefore it's fair to say that so far we've been far more proactive in the market when it comes to midfielders.
Tchouamemi vs Carvalho? Really?
1. You not liking how we addressed our "depth issues" does not mean we did not address those "issues". If you're not happy with it, that's your problem, deal with it yourself instead of blaming the club. 2. They lost a player who they had to replace, we did not.
You do realise this is a discussion forum? Love to hear your thoughts on Carvalho anchoring our midfield as a 6
My biggest fear is a mononucleosis epidemic and James McConnell starting. /S So yeah, I'm happy with our team.
> You do realise this is a discussion forum? Yes a discussion forum, not a tantrum forum. >Love to hear your thoughts on Carvalho anchoring our midfield as a 6 That's what we have Hendo and Fabinho in case you forgot.
Except there was a strong possibility of that happening to us. Wasn’t a crazy hypothetical. Also all those players you named are better depth options than Milner, Keita, Elliot. Like Gundogan or Camavinga >>>> Elliot or Milner
*Most assists in a UCL campaign, Camavinga will never sing that.*
> Except there was a strong possibility of that happening to us But it didn't so it's irrelevant
But the fact it could’ve and was very close to happening is the concerning part I’m not sure how you can’t see that. Yes we got lucky this time but who’s to say we will next time without a contingency plan in place. Just because something didn’t happen this time doesn’t mean we don’t plan for it in the future. It’s a logical fallacy. “Oh I didn’t drown this time guess I never have to wear a life jacket”
But it can happen to fucking anyone. Injuries happen in football. Get over it. And who's to say we don't have a contingency plan. Keita and Milner and Jones and Elliot and Ox and even Firmino in a 4231 are the contingency plan. If you don't personally like the contingency plan that's your problem, not Liverpool FC's problem.
Just seen the lad Arsenal have signed. Bloody hell, he's skinny. Unless he has a major body transformation fairly soon, I can't see how he's going to compete physically. Maybe he's a long-term option, but I get Iago Aspas vibes.
Tbf look at David Silva yet he is one of the prems greatest midfielders. Liga Nos watchers have said he’s the best young talent in the league so it’ll be interesting to see how he develops
If he was as good as people say, other big clubs would've been after him.
Both us and spurs were interested in him but we obviously chose not to pursue him because we’re not going for a midfielder this summer
I don't think there was any true interest in him
He did alright alright against us if I remember correctly, even assisted a goal in the 5-1 tonking we gave them
Lol Lukaku getting loaned to inter
It was such a weird transfer. Everyone (well, pundits) was raving about it last summer, and I just thought it was stupid. A 29 year old for that kind of money, on those wages, who was quite notable in having a difficult time last time he was here? It just seemed stupid. Then I saw him playing and it was confirmed. He looked like an ex-pro who'd just come out of retirement for Soccer Aid.
He started very well tbh and looked like he was going to be the missing piece for Chelsea's title challenge. I still remember everyone hyping up the Lukaku vs VVD match up when we played them early in the season as if he was prime Ronaldo lol
In one weeks time I’m going to type out a bland “Mane is so classy” comment you’ve all read a 1000 times and then post a screenshot of the comment. Might throw in a picture of him idk. I’ll expect at least 1.5K karma so get ready.
Lmao exactly
And I'll just repost your exact post link 2 weeks later and I expect my post to be gilded
The new kit runs a bit long eh? And the neck is width is wide.
Yeah they are. Just got mine and it runs a bit long, so anyone wondering might as well go a size down or so imo
The chest is perfect for me but the sleeves and shirt length are not proportional 😕
Ooh if they're running long I might actually pick one up. It's so tough to find shirts in my length.
Just got my Thiago jersey but it runs a bit big on me, which is a disappointment. Looking at the return policy and it says no returns/exchanges on personalised items :/ Well fuck me
When the Chelsea takeover happened the noise of their club was that they were trying to replicate what we’ve done, but their targets seem to be aging players, and they seem to be asking tuchel for targets rather than having a team for transfers like we do. I don’t see this working for them. Which is great news obviously.
I mean when we first started it we wasn’t having much success it’s going to take them time to get the right people in to have a successful team like we do.
Right but we also weren’t being linked with 30 year olds
We might not have signed older players but we still made some terrible decisions
>some terrible decisions Some?
Yeah? Like what? I genuinely can’t think of a terrible decision we’ve made since klopp came in. Keita could be considered a bad one. I guess maybe Karius, but he was 4.5 mil as a help out to mignonette to get us cl football which we got.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but can we just stop with Sadio posts? Club legend, love the guy, but it's official, he doesn't play here anymore. He left with out a transfer saga, awesome, we dont need a bunch of posts about it. He's done great thing for his home village, we've known this for years. We don't need a bunch of posts about it. Again, he's a legend and we should always remember him, but he's gone, we dont need a million posts. I'm gonna be real bitter all season if we try and post every goal he scores.
Also the posts on the main sub about his philanthropy that he did way before he moved. And then another post about how he's good because he scored a lot of UCL goals. We know, we were there. We've been in the final 3 of the last four years. This isn't something new. If you have even a passing interest in European football you know this.
Buckle up, bucko
I think you’re overreacting. It’s the summer and there’s nothing else to talk about. He also just left, and he’s probably a borderline Liverpool legend so there’s gonna be talk about it. If we signed Bellingham this week, no one would be talking about mane at all.
I agree, but with the exception of his social work. I feel that deserves recognition
There's a lot of people that only became fans in the last 3-4 years and haven't experienced a star player leaving before. It's getting to be really fucking annoying.
How many players in the last 10 years that have left have been instrumental in winning titles? Plenty of players have left us in fairly recent years, but none come close to the contributions of Mane.
Torres was more important to the team at that point than Mané is now when he left. (It turned out shit, but we didn't know that was going to happen.) Suárez WAS the team when he left. Wijnaldum was extremely important to our side when he left, might not have been as popular, but if you say he wasn't important, I can't help you.
Torres and Suarez didn't win us titles and won't be remembered as fondly as Mane or Gini.
Ehhhh I've been supporting Liverpool for a while and I don't agree with u about it being the new fans I think theres a few reasons why ppl are sad about Mane leaving 1) He was the first player signed by Klopp that truly helped turn the club around 2) He's been an important part of the most successful period of the club for for the last 20+ years 3) He's part of the front 3 that have given us so many special moments 4) Unlike torres and Suarez, he's never put in transfer requests or been a problematic player for the team I don't see anything wrong with the Mane posts tbh
I'm not meaning that I don't think people can't be sad that he's leaving. I'd rather he stayed too! But looking at this sub recently you'd think the lad had died. It's a little much.
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And something that's never going to happen.
Unpopular opinion: Months ago I saw someone post in a match thread that they were concerned Mane isn’t happy at at Liverpool because he wasn’t smiling when scoring and didn’t seem as happy as before. It was met with tons of comments saying “don’t be ridiculous” - “that’s just mane” - “ffs people find anything to criticize about” etc etc But it probably had some truth to it. I think we are an always-be-positive bunch to a fault, sometimes when there is smoke there is fire and acknowledging possibilities of negative outcomes is fine.
You can be happy enough where you are and still change jobs. Honestly the pitch is a place you dont usually bring the outside world to, I think we read too much into everything.
And I’m saying, in this case it seemed very valid to read into it. He smiled way less this past season, and requested a transfer in the summer.
I honestly don't think he did smile way less but I can't say I was counting.
There were "Sad Sadio" comments everywhere it felt like in the last couple months
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Seems silly that sad Sadio and requesting a move wouldn’t be related but I guess that’s just me
https://twitter.com/DoctorMUFC/status/1538998225436295168?t=AuWMD8JXxIEVD2f0ntC-kw&s=19 Lmao United rejected again. Eriksen would rather stay with Brentford or go be a squad player with Spurs than play for United
I think it comes down more to the fact that United isn't going to sit Bruno on the bench to get plating time for Eriksen. Tottenham is a great choice for him and he would be that creative attacking mid which would allow Kane to move back up the field and get more goals.
I find it amusing that a club that entered 4 final seasons will sit and wait for a potential player to become available season. lol
Why's it amusing? It's exactly what we've done in the past and will continue to do in the future.
> It's exactly what we've done in the past and will continue to do in the future. How so? VVD was only player I know theyve waited for. We shouldnt be waiting We should move for other players. Theres no time to be wasting. So much can change in a year
> We shouldnt be waiting We should move for other players. The club clearly wants to sign a Midfielder that's an upgrade on our current starting options, so given the club has obviously decided the options behind Tchouameni aren't good enough, yes we should and no we shouldn't. Signing players that we want and that are best suited to what we required from them is what's turned the club back into the behemoth that it should be, not signing any random players just because they're available. I also don't understand how there's a sentiment from a section of this fanbase that the players that got Liverpool closer to a quadruple than any side ever and set a new club record for goals scored in a season at 147, have somehow turned to shit in the roughly three weeks since the last season ended.
Waited for Keita, waited for Diaz until we couldn't any longer also, the plan was summer but hand was forced. Waited too long for Sancho also. Its a strategy you can do when your team is already as good as ours is. Buying the best or hottest names all the time doesn't work, we've a few amusing examples below us
Famously waited to sign a CB (Konate), too, opting to enter a season with only 3 senior CBs. What followed is an example of the one time we signed a stopgap in the form of Ben Davies and Kabak...midseason... for the extremely limited purpose of just fielding a team with CBs in it. Both of whom were quickly out of the 1st team again when Konate was signed. Wild how people cannot see the tenants Klopp, recruitment, and FSG work under to this day. It's Virgil or the next Virgil (Konate), no bargain brand Virgils. It's Mane or the next Mane (Diaz) no bargain brand Manes. It's Firmino or the next Firmino (Nunez), no bargain brand Firminos.
Fuck I forgot about Konate, most obvious example of the lot. Agree entirely.
I swear if I see another sappy "end of an era" post. Just make like an adult and ignore the issue until you forget about it
Yes sir, that's right way to live.
Honestly I dont get all these heartbroken posts. I was heartbroken when Torres left, Mané is going and leaving us still one of the best teams in the league with no bad blood. Maybe I'm just old
Man, I'm still not over the Torres transfer lol. Fucking Chelsea...
But, then how can I make everything about myself?? Everyone needs to know how **I** feel about every issue, because I am such a special boy
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Liverpool want a player that push current players to bench. They want a proper starter quality.
In general terms, we are completely stacked with midfielders. Hendo, Fabinho, Thiago, Keita, Milner, Ox, Jones, Elliot, Carvalho. We for sure have more quantity than quality right now, but we don't need a loan, we need a permanent new CM and this transfer window seems to not offer what Klopp needs. Also next summer we are probably letting Milner and Ox go, probably Jones and Elliot can have succesful loans to gain experience and that would be the moment to buy Bellingham
We don't really take players on loan as a club. AFAIK we had Kabak, before that it was Caulker in 2016 and Sahin, Aly and Moses under Brendan. None of those went well (barring maybe Kabak but even then we didn't exercise a cheap buy option) and I'd speculate that FSG aren't keen on the idea. We'd rather have no deadwood to sell and keep the squad smaller than have a bloated one. It seems a decision based on philosophy over short-term practicality
Getting a midfielder on loan when they're most likely fighting for a spot on the bench doesn't make much sense. Our loan of Kabak at CB was also quite a miss. Don't think we're into loans unless we have some interest in signing later.
Please excuse me as I’m feeling deeply bitter. Honestly I’m hope the mane news can quickly just be official. Im done with the whole milking of this mane saga. Im also waiting to see if he would address us officially and thank the club for the time. I have my reservation. Again excuse me for leaving such a bitter comment. I feel like a broken ex.
Players have left before and will leave again. Torres left, Suárez left, Coutinho left. We're still doing alright.
>Torres left, Suárez left, Coutinho left. We're still doing alright. Torres was the canary in the coal mine. He saw that Liverpool was dropping off and wanted out. It took years to turn things around from that point.
It was a low ebb for sure. Torres leaving was a massive blow to the club, Mané leaves us after 6 yrs of great service and in a better place than we were at the start of those years.
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What part of it is hogwash, or doesn't make sense, exactly? Really the only thing that is speculative is whether or not the club are worried Bellingham will demand too much next summer. Everything else is pretty much common knowledge (e.g. Haaland's and Nunez's wages, interest in Aurélien Tchouaméni but for his wages, etc.).
> Made 0 sense It made perfect sense as it's exactly what we've done in the past to outstanding success and it's what we'll continue to do in the future as well.
Alright David la
Given his account is /u/davidmichaellynch (although it hasn't been active in a while), I can say with 100% certainty that I'm not him.
Oh lighten up I was obviously messing
Decided to use this transfer season to flair up with a true Liverpool legend. Local lad, born a blue, got his head straight and became a red. Played for us for years quietly with minimum fuss. Left quietly when his time was up. Won the greatest ever final in football history on one leg. And now is the best pundit on TV. Jamie Carragher. You're a Liverpool legend. >! Shouldn't have spat on that little girl though!<
I wish I could experience Gerrard's time at the club again. It was probably around 2004 when I started watching Liverpool play week in week out and Gerrard had already established himself as a top player. For the next decade, he was the face of the club, and it was so weird when he left - this is going to sound crap, but I almost had to relearn to support the club again, like remind myself that I was supporting Liverpool and not Steven Gerrard's Liverpool. I'd never properly known Liverpool without Gerrard and it was strange not to have that constant. The guy who would save the day when we were in trouble. The guy who, no matter how shit we were, gave me belief we could win because we had Stevie G. Because I didn't have a time before he was with us to compare to, I don't think I ever registered how good he actually was. I wish I could re-experience Gerrard at the club again now I'm older and wiser (questionable) and truly take in how he was as a player, and not just as this legendary heroic figure who'd save our skin time and time again.
Honestly, a lot of Gerrards time at Liverpool wasnt a great time to be a fan aside from watching a legend play. We nearly went out of business, only infrequently challenged for honours and had some real shite wear the shirt. Then there's the Hodgson dark age, 35m on Andy Carroll. Gerrard was incredible but as a supporter, the Klopp years have been infinitely more enjoyable. There's not a lot I wouldnt sacrifice to have a 23/24 year old Gerrard in this team though. (Which now I read again, might have been what you meant).
For sure. I loved most of the Rafa years though, especially those epic Champions League runs. In fact some of the CL ties from that era are still some of my favourite memories as a fan. But we're really spoiled under Klopp. I suppose you could look at Trent as the closest comparison of today. Hopefully he continues to develop well into his 20's like Gerrard did. Already a fantastic player.
The Rafa years were great for sure, we did play some fucking awful football sometimes under him but we had those wild European games and, of course, the best CL final of all time. Benitez's team without Torres and Gerrard was fucking miserable to watch at times though! :'D
Imagine working for a club like Spurs or Chelsea and legitimately suggesting that your club signs Richarlison...
Chelsea i can understand. Shitty club, desparate enough from years of inconsistent no 9s to pay this moron. What's Spurs' excuse? They of all clubs know what a good striker looks like - Kane, Defoe, Crouch, Keane, even kanoute wasn't half bad - all part of their history. Unforgivable for them to sign a underwhelming halfwit like richarlison
I’ve always found it difficult to afford jerseys with all the other shit I need to spend on… but I was able to snag a Mane jersey from someone for like $40 and it gets in today. Gonna miss Sadio but so pumped for this top.
I love your positive attitude. Enjoy it!
I'm not convinced Jude Bellingham would sign for us.
He'll choose money or the opportunity to become a legend (and still dumb high money tbh). If he chooses money, he's not the right guy for this club anyway.
He won't, the oil clubs will offer him 250-300k weekly pay
Which is why we need to lean on the Gerrard angle for Jude. He's a lot of people's favourite players, including our own Ox and Jude.
still hits me that we didn't score a single goal in 3 different finals
We played against top teams with quality players sitting in a low block. They played to stop us, not to attack us.
I try to focus more on the fact we managed to go to three finals and take the league to the final day.
It’s not even like we didn’t create enough chances in those games either we just couldn’t finish it’s why it’s nice to see us get a 9 in Nunez
Nor win a game vs the rest of the top 4. Baffling really.
Didn't lose any either which makes it even weirder.
Also even though Tottenham took two draws of us, didn't they also beat Man City home and away? It was a weird year in the "top 6 mini table"
Indeed they did, they also lost to United lol
We would never.