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ProbzConfused

I just used Livefootballtickets to purchase tickets to the Liverpool v Chelsea game at Stamford Bridge. Has anyone used their site before?


swingtothedrive

Our Second XI Jota Firmino Elliot Keita Milner Carvalho Tsimiskas Gomez Konate Ramsay Kelleher Arsenal first XI Martinelli Jesus Saka Odengard Partey Xhaka Tierney Gabriel White Tomisayu Ramsdale. Is it crazy if I think our second choice XI is better than Arsenal first choice XI? For me only in midfield they have an edge. Both our attack and defence in 2nd choice team are better than Arsenal's first choice team. This is assuming even Jesus signs for them


Ol_Elephant_Ears

Love the optimism but nah player for player they have the better team. For me, Jota is superior to Martinelli, but current Bobby vs Jesus isn’t clear cut, and Saka is clearly superior to Elliot in that position. Then the midfield, as you say, is superior. And then arguably our CB pairing is stronger but Tierney is better than Tsimikas and Tomiyasu is obviously better than Ramsay.


KopiteTheScot

I honestly don’t mind it, I know it’s just banter and that but after reading what Rodrygo said about Modric in relation to Mo, it’s kinda changed my perspective of Modric. There’s been a few times when he’s been a bit of an unnecessary dickhead towards other players and I’m not sure I respect him as much anymore.


tamim1991

I don't mind tbh. If I saw a player saying they are out for revenge against us, I'd feel a little more happier than usual when beating them again and maybe I'd jest about it lightly too. Modric didn't go beyond the line when mocking Salah to be fair either, no personal insults or anything. We should just take it on the chin and move on.


KopiteTheScot

The difference between them is that Rodrygo is a very young player who’s just won his first massive trophy and played a big part in it as well so he’d naturally be naive, you’d think a 36 year old who’s won 5 champions leagues would have a bit more professionalism and respect.


TheConundrum98

[where](https://i.imgflip.com/6kbc9u.jpg)


Frisliv

Just received that flask thing from the club for renewing my membership - anyone got any idea how to open the flap thing on the clear lid? I just can't for the life of me manage it lol - I get myself into a similar situation with the washing machine capsule box often


Jonofitz

Doesn't it just slide?


Frisliv

IT SLIDES! ffs lol


sports_junky

Arsenal has no CL money and has not even played in CL for a while but they are still able to spend so much money in last couple of years. Can anyone help me understand why Liverpool act like they cannot spend big without making sales despite finishing consistently top2 in league, reaching late stages of CL ? Liverpool also generate much more revenue than Arsenal. It does not make much sense to me as to why Liverpool owners are so cheap. This team needs more reinforcements, mainly in midfield


swingtothedrive

>Can anyone help me understand why Liverpool act like they cannot spend big We have spent 300mil in last three years and that's despite covid. Our wage bill is atleast 100+ more than Arsenal. So far this season we have spent £100mil. Arsenal have spent £30mil


BriarcliffInmate

Right, I'm done explaining, so this is the last time. 1. Arsenal are years behind us and are trying to get into the Top 4, and gambling the house to do so. 2. A player that improves Arsenal does not always improve Liverpool 3. Arsenal are more willing to play a raw player and hope they come good, like we were in 2016 4. We've just spent £140m in the last 5 months and only sold one player for £27.5m 5. Our wage bill is double Arsenal 6. We pay Klopp 3x what Arteta is earning 7. It's not that we can't spend, because we do. It's that we won't sign stopgaps. 8. Arsenal will 100% sell players. I don't think they know it yet, but I've a sneaking suspicion Saka is one of them. 9. It's not a case of "having" to sell to buy, because we haven't done that in years. We've bought our incomings this season before selling anyone. What we do is buy and then sell to offset the costs, reduce our exposure and also help comply with FFP. 10. Arsenal have a mediocre manager with mediocre tactics. I'd rather trust Klopp with £100m than Arteta with £300m, wouldn't you? 11. Kroenke is desperately trying to curry favour with Arsenal fans after years of bad publicity. 12. Klopp is fairly stubborn, and he won't just buy a player for the sake of it. He wants players that actually improve the team.


J539

I would be really suprised if Saka doesn't join us or city in the summer should Arsenal fail to get into the top4.


NGog_Fan

> A player that improves Arsenal does not always improve Liverpool This is the key point. Arse are so shite that even my nan's blind dog could get into their squad (and they'd probably pay my nan a few mil to get him) while there's just a handful of players we can realistically sign that would improve us (unless you're one of those clowns who thinks we can realistically sign Mbappe or Lewandoski)


Hot_Plate_Williams

That's a great summary, mate, but rest assured, someone will post a variation of the same question in the daily discussion thread tomorrow.


Jaja6996

We are relying on some raw players ourself in Elliot, Jones, Carvalho, Ramsay and Nunez


BriarcliffInmate

How often are we regularly starting them? They're bedded in slowly.


Jaja6996

Elliot was starting games regularly before his injury, Jones has started a lot over the last few season and Nunez will probably be our starting forward


Bumi_Earth_King

"Regularly" being 3 games though?


bufed

One or two of them are potential starters. None of them are (yet) set to shape the team, unlike Saka 1-2 seasons ago.


ss2195

Because it's not about having the money or spending it, Arsenal don't have a choice when it comes to spending. In terms of the squad, they are well behind the teams that are ahead of them and could lose ground to the likes of Leicester, West Ham and even Villa if they continue being miserly in the market. Bottom line, they don't have a choice but to take losses for a season or two because they need the champions league.


H0lychit

I think it's targeted recruitment, if they can't get the guy they want... The won't just throw money away unless it becomes a huge problem, like we had with the defenders last year, so I actually wouldn't be surprised if we don't get a midfielder this window. Throwing our eggs into one basket is a risk, oh lord it's a risk, which I think they are doing with Bellingham, talks must have gone on behind the scenes with either the player or his representatives in some way. They must see the DM position as not a huge priority, probably go ok if Fab is out... We got Hendo and if both of them are out... We just put Milly or maybe Morton there. Obviously we as fans want someone in there young and fresh, Klopp must see Morton as that someone so I wouldn't be surprised if we see much more of him this year and to be fair I'd love to see more of him even if it gets a little rough at times for him, I'd just stay calm and leave it to the people at Liverpool who have brought us so much success.


ABAZABA20

Jesus and Raphinha in the same window for a team without CL football would be so crazy. Thank fuck Klopp extended otherwise I’d actually be worried about our clubs spending behaviour


swingtothedrive

Jesus has scored in 5 league games last season. He wouldnt even start for Leicester. Raphinha - Remember when they signed Pepe?


sports_junky

They also signed Vieira for some 40M and also in hunt to sign Lisandro Lopez. I find it baffling how they are able to afford spending so much money without not even being in Europe and not making any major sales.


bufed

They cleared a lot of dead wood out. The wages freed up from Aubameyang alone must be quite a lot.


ABAZABA20

We’ve been conditioned into thinking it’s only possible to spend if you’re selling. We’re not called net spend fc for nothing


BriarcliffInmate

It's worked for us. Arsenal are spending like it's going out of fashion because they've been out of the CL for 5 years and don't want to be out of it again. Unlike Spurs, who gambled on hiring an elite manager to get them Top 4 and \*then\* strengthen, Arsenal are hoping spending a lot of money on players will carry a mediocre manager to Top 4. It won't.


malushanks95

We just spent 37.5m and 64m on attackers during the winter and summer window without any sales. We don’t spend money when we don’t need to. We spend when we need a player or a player of our choice becomes available. Arsenal are in the process of their rebuild and hence why they are spending so much money to get back to Top 4.


sports_junky

But also sold Mane and will be selling few other players like Minamino. Once the window is finished, the net spend will be much lower. Just look at revenues of both Liverpool, Arsenal in last few years and compare net spend. Arsenal revenue is so much lower.


BriarcliffInmate

Arsenal's wage bill is half of ours. No elite players want to go to Arsenal, they're buying from clubs lower down than them or from clubs abroad where playing in the PL is an attraction. They'll only get Jesus because Arteta will sell Saka to City.


fatsdomino13

Agree with all your points bar the last one. Arteta wont be selling Saka to City anytime soon.


BriarcliffInmate

We'll see. There's something fishy going on there.


fatsdomino13

I do agree that it seems a bit odd if todays turn of events are to be true, but I'd be very surprised if Saka was to leave this season.


J539

Not this summer, but I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of clubs come knocking next summer should arsenal once again not make it into the top4. Salah could be gone, City could make Saka their new Sterling lol, Chelsea/United could also always be in the run. Saka would also have only 1 year left on his contract and Arsenal could be forced to sell


fatsdomino13

I think Saka is going to sign a new contract this summer. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean he wont leave next year, but Arsenal will atleast get the money they deserve for him if he does. Also I couldn't see Chelsea or United getting him, for me it would be between Liverpool & City, wouldn't be surprised if a foreign team went in for him either.


malushanks95

It is obviously lower for Arsenal as they aren’t in CL. Klopp only likes getting players he wants and who would suit the system. This window the player he wants isn’t available so why should we spend money on a player Klopp doesn’t want, it will only result in a situation like Ben Davies’.


NGog_Fan

This narrative being pushed that Klopp screwed over Minamino and should have played him over Salah and/or Jota at times or given him a run out in the cups, is insane. Fuck, there's people saying he should have come on in the CL Final


streetlightsglowing_

Lol tbh part of me can't wait for Minamino to get sold so we can stop seeing all those deluded comments from his fans. He has such a strong online following for a relatively average player


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rvwxyz

Taki isn't good enough, it's as simple as that. Klopp doesn't trust him and that's why he doesn't get picked.


NGog_Fan

> I'm not saying he should have come on in the CL final, but surely there were times last season where it was obvious that playing Salah back into form wasn't working? He either needed rest or a bit of a kick in the bum, and playing Taki over him a couple of times would have provided both. Every game was a cup final to us in the run in so if you don't think he should've played the cl final he shouldn't play any of the other "finals" either. >Also, there was apparently enough room for sentiment that Klopp played Kelleher in the League Cup final, but not enough for Taki to play Kelleher is a young academy goalie and a very good one. If we want him to stick around as back up we need to give him a carrot once in a while, such as the league cup final. Sentiment has nothing to do with it. >He wasn't even on the bench for the FA Cup final And which one of our attackers do you drop for him to make the bench? Jota or Firmino who're much better players or Divock who's the second coming of David Fairclough >Now I understand that once you make it to the final you want to win, but I'd certainly consider it a slap in the face if I was 99% of the reason we made the finals and didn't get to play in either of them. To suggest he's "99% of the reason we made the finals" is a gross exaggeration. Fuck in the FA Cup he was basically a non-factor beside the game against Norwich and I do think the mighty LFC could have beaten Norwich without him regardless. In the league cup he played more of a role and got the key equaliser in the Quarter Finals but that should hardly be something that guarantees that you play the final. Fuck, Fairclough did the same in the fucking European Cup in 77 and he didn't get to play the final either.


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NGog_Fan

> Every game may have been a "final" but some games were technically easier than others, and Salah played poorly in almost all of them. It was obvious he needed a rest and Klopp needed to save him from himself. Salah was still scoring and assisting fairly regularly and anyhow even if he was rested there's other players I'd want replacing him ahead of Minamino >"Even in professional football there should be space for some sentiment." - Klopp on playing Kelleher in the League Cup final He's hardly going to come out and say "I'm only playing the fucker so he doesn't leave for more minutes" >Fair. He still has the right to be annoyed about it, though. I'm not talking about Minamino being annoyed. I'm talking about the fans who're saying he's been done dirty.


ManBoobs13

Taki fans are so off base it’s insane. His ability to score against League Two sides in domestic cups => he could have easily replicated that in bigger games like the CL final? Nobody in their right football mind would ever put Taki above any of our 5 main attackers from last season. He was the third attacking option off the bench in big games if everyone was healthy, and we never sub the entire starting front 3 off so there was never a chance


NGog_Fan

Div was ahead of him off the bench for most big games as well. More reliable big game player.


AirBalloonZ

Honestly...like WTF? he ain't good enough, some people can't separate their love for a certain player and said player actual ability.


Jaja6996

Yeah it’s wild just like all the ones about how Mane wasn’t loved by the fans or the club


aghashayan

I don't know but the more time passes the more I'm eager for next season. Coming 2nd in heart breaking fashion has proved to be the best indicator of our success.


DLRsFrontSeats

Obviously agree that B Silva would be the biggest of the rumoured losses City could take, and then Gundogan, but Sterling and Jesus were probably good for like 9-12 points for them last season, and even moreso in 18/19


arisefromtheashes

Barella this summer and bellingham next summer and football is finished just give us everything


MyNewAccount77

Barella is a lifelong Inter fan and is at the club he's dreamed about playing for since he was a boy, he's going nowhere.


nukhraa

When has that ever counted for anything? Rooney was a lifelong blueshite but moved to United and spent his prime there. Henderson was a boyhood Sunderland fan and gave his best years to us. Kane was reportedly a gooner. Carra was a blue too


MyNewAccount77

> When has that ever counted for anything? Rooney was a lifelong blueshite but moved to United and spent his prime there. Henderson was a boyhood Sunderland fan and gave his best years to us. You want to know why it counts for something here? Because he's playing for an Inter side that will regularly be at the top of Italian Football and be winning things for years to come, while both Rooney & Henderson moved from clubs that will always only have an outside shot at winning anything to far bigger clubs then the ones they were at.


nukhraa

I like Inter but let's not overstate where they are in the game today. Since the Mourinho years they've won the title once. It's a coin flip whether they qualify for CL and the furthest they've gone is the QF 10 years ago. They've mostly excited at the group stages of the CL in the past few seasons that barella has been around, the best they've done is lose in the R16 last season. Maybe they're not as hopeless as Everton or Sunderland but are they really any better than Spurs or arsenal or Dortmund? Not to mention their financial situation which has led them to losing Conte, Lukaku and Hakimi.


MartinPerrott

He's completed that dream so surely time for a new one 👍


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MartinPerrott

I was just joking mate hahah


samcotts

Bernardo Silva, Fernandinho, Sterling and Jesus all potentially leaving City is massive. Wasn't there talk of Gundogan leaving too? I'm sure they'll spend well on replacements, but it usually takes players a season to adjust to Pep's system. It could be a big opportunity for us in the league.


ManBoobs13

Still so disappointed in that CL final loss. Could define Klopp’s time here. He deserves so much more. Hopefully Nunez has more clutch in him than Salah/Mane


Percussion17

If Courtois were late half of a second in any of his saves, we would've won.


prich889

Mane had one early in the first half, and Salah had one late in the second half, that should have been goals. It's not that they weren't clutch, it's that their keeper was incredibly clutch.


JazzyMcJazzJazz

Senegal fans on socials have been really fucking wierd oh my god..they seem to all be thinking we were torturing Sadio and now he can be free. Seeing all sorts of hate for Liverpool in general, and mad crazy conspiracies of racism. Absolute gobshites, weird fucking bunch


coolcubeartic

Hey(LFC Senegalese fan here) majority of those comments you see are coming from clueless citizens who don’t watch Sadio in the League, only watch him when he plays internationally. They will believe anything the media in the country says about him and right now they are saying when he plays here it’s torture and under appreciated which is just not true and has brought us everything for success under Klopp, even kickstarted his Era here in 2015-2016 I and everyone here knows Sadio will always be a Anfield Legend but I’d ignore those bollocks comments on socials. Don’t mean crap.


JazzyMcJazzJazz

Sorry to have generalised man, just seeing almost all negative comments for Liverpool from the fanbase. But as you say, if anybody actually paid any attention to reality they'd know we're absolutely heartbroken to have lost our legend


coolcubeartic

Exactly my point. And it’s all good no worries or offense. It’s just some can’t open their eyes to the other perspective


eternalgrey_

Glad I don’t use social media. Plus, your generalizing all their fans but our own fans get really weird on social media as well. It’s all so toxic.


BriarcliffInmate

Honestly, I hate to say it, but if Salah goes next season, I'll genuinely be glad to not have to deal with the shit that comes with having the two biggest stars in Africa on your team. It's been an utter headache from start to finish. I love them both, but the politics and everything round them is just insane. Klopp makes one sarcastic joke in a presser after a match and it gets spun into a multi-week story by a lying journalist. Mane asks for the club not to celebrate his Afcon win and people in Senegal say the club refused to because of Mo. CBA.


lelibertaire

Just wait until next summer if Salah doesn't extend...


nicolascagevampire

Fuck those cunt fans.


aghashayan

Those national homer player fans of whoever are just impossible.


PricelessPhenylamine

I wonder what the plans are for Leighton Clarkson, he got a loan last year that he wasn't too noticeable in but got game time for us in the first team and looked rather decent in a pre-season with us.


brush85

Another loan. Lots of loans this year…Beck, Bradley, Sepp, Clarkson, Koumatio maybe, Morton


Jaja6996

I wonder what we do with Gordon


BriarcliffInmate

Not sure what the rules are about loaning out an Under-18. I don't think there's a specific rule against it, but it's very rare.


Jaja6996

Elliot went out on Loan at 17 and he will be 18 this year


BriarcliffInmate

We had to get special permission from his parents and do all sorts of safeguarding stuff, iirc.


Jaja6996

I never knew about that but I wouldn’t be surprised if he just stays at the club and gets cup games


circa_1996

Reckon I’d give it to the end of the day for James Pearce to end the Asensio rumours.


Jaja6996

They have been around for the last couple of years they are going nowhere


SummerMeIody

Who would you rather: Chiesa or Antony?


streetlightsglowing_

I'd rather the one who didn't just blow out his ACL


Triforcesarecool

Chiesa


Nidavil

Chiesa by far


pw5a29

Who’s the LFC correspondent at Echo?


BriarcliffInmate

Paul Gorst. He doesn't have anything Pearce/Joyce don't have, but I think Pearce is Tier 2 now the way he's not had exclusives lately after Klopp called out The Athletic.


Mercerai

Paul Gorst. Doesn't really have anything that Pearce/Joyce et al don't have, and never breaks news


BlackArbiter

Pearce used to work for the Echo, but left quite some time ago. Since then sounds like bunch of click baity headlines.


gottodo

Someone who doesn't get any real information


abradley19955

Watching Arsenal spend all this money just to finish outside the top 4 again >>>


sankers23

I actually think them and Spurs are spending very well. Both of them in top 4 and Chelsea to drop out.


BriarcliffInmate

There's absolutely no way Arsenal finish Top 4. Arteta doesn't have the brains for it.


Tremor00

Their main competition is a crumbling (🤞) chelsea and united (does anything more need to be said about them?) Maybe West Ham if they push themselves again and it remains to be seen what Leicester do


YellowBaboon

Arsenal still seem very soft. They need some steel right through their team.


Asad_OG

Are we having a pre-season camp?


BriarcliffInmate

This is our schedule: **July 4** – First day back at Kirkby **July 9** – Fly to Far East **TBC** – Open training in Bangkok, Thailand **July 12** – Man United (Thailand), 2pm **July 14** – Open training in Kallang, Singapore **July 15** – Crystal Palace (Singapore), 1.35pm **July 16** – Leave Far East – likely head straight to Germany **July 21** – RB Leipzig (Germany), 6.15pm **TBC** – Fly to Austria **TBC** – Red Bull Salzburg (Austria) **July 30** – Man City (Community Shield), 5pm **July 31** – Strasbourg (Anfield), 7.30pm **August 6** – Premier League starts – Fulham (A), 12.30pm


PricelessPhenylamine

Of course, there's always a pre-season camp. It's in Austria this year.


AdikkuChan

Think someone said 4th July


MartinPerrott

Nothing like a dubious barella link to get me through a Monday 🥰


andychgo

I’d do crazy things to see Barella in a Red shirt


Nidavil

You know there are no news when there are Keita - Barella swap rumours.


MartinPerrott

Aren't we allowed to dream?


Nidavil

No I agree, a good swap rumour hits right in the spot.


BriarcliffInmate

I can't believe it's 2022 and we still get swap rumours despite about 5 happening in the past 80 years


ss2195

Calcio Mercato to spare us the Monday blueshites.


lolowalsh

If Saka doesn't renew his contract we should be all over him either in winter or next summer, also rumours are saying Arsenal are interested in Rapinha which makes me think that maybe Saka doesn't want to extend and Rapinha is his replacement.


BriarcliffInmate

Raphinha definitely seems like Arsenal are interested but Deco is leaking it to force Barca's hand.


Nabbylaa

Assuming Nunez works out and we have most of our goals coming through the middle then Saka would be just about the best possible Salah replacement IMO.


InfamousJackfruit672

Next Summer seems realistic. Salah might be leaving then. Raphina is a good footballer so naturally Arsenal are looking at him. I don't think we should read too much into it.


Jaja6996

It’s more likely they are just bringing him in to strengthen the depth they have I’d like Saka but it’s just going to cost us way too much


MartinPerrott

We just dropped basically 100m on Nunez (who has had one good season and isn't pl proven), we ain't poor if the right player pops up.


iNS0MNiA_uK

His contract expires in 2024, so he'll be cheaper next year assuming he doesn't renew.


YellowBaboon

If he doesn't extend, next year would be the first time they'll look to sell him so essentially it'll be the first time he has any sort of reasonable price set. Right now his price is probably like 200m.


rosheromil

I dont think its that high. Over £100m sure but £200m is mad especially when they haven’t got UCL football to offer him. Not even Mbappe went for that. Next year I could see his price being half what it is now so maybe £50-60m. If so, we should be all over it


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Yeah, and the guy you replied to was saying we make our first approach in January or next summer, not now.


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Walshey-

The Athletic has a great article on the Nunez deal. Most interesting part for me was about 4-2-3-1: > Against Wolverhampton Wanderers, whose set-up was similar to Spurs, Liverpool had toiled until Klopp switched from the 4-3-3 formation to 4-2-3-1 with the introduction of Roberto Firmino as a No 10. Though Firmino’s touch was off for the remaining 20 minutes of the game, his presence freed up space for those around him. A 1-1 draw became a 3-1 victory – not that it seemed to really matter given the afternoon ended with celebrations in Manchester. > The following weekend in Paris, Klopp turned to Firmino again and he had more joy individually but could not change the course of the game. Carlo Ancelotti’s assessment of Liverpool’s predictability after Real Madrid’s victory was damming. > “It helped that Liverpool were easier to decipher than the others because they have a very clear identity and we could prepare the way that we did,” he said. “We knew what strategy to take — don’t give them space behind the defence to run into. Perhaps our football wasn’t extraordinarily beautiful on an aesthetic level, but playing out from the back to incentivise their pressing wasn’t a great idea.”


plowman_digearth

The point about predictability is very evident. We were so good over the season but largely deadlocked against most top sides. Chelsea, City, Real. A good manager with good players could easily work out how to nullify us.


NilsFanck

I mean in general I do think our 433 has become a bit predictable but Ancelotti shouldnt act like the final was some tactical masterclass by him. Courtouis won them that game singlehandedly. If he was even a little less godly that game, theyd easily have lost.


Embarrassed_Cow_4321

The Ancellotti comments annoyed me as it made it seem like it was a perfect plan that snuffed out Liverpool's attack, not a plan that required their goalkeeper getting MOTM. Liverpool had 13 shots inside the Real area Courtois made 9 saves - 4 of which were outstanding. But yeah Ancellotti's master plan. If his plan included telling Courtois to be MOTM then fair enough.


BriarcliffInmate

Yeah, he's took credit for it like it was a tactical masterclass. The fact we got 2.7xG would suggest his plan failed. If it wasn't for Courtois bailing them out on several occasions, they'd have been stuffed. We actually nullified them incredibly well. Kroos and Modric were invisible most of the game, Benzema too. It annoys me when people try to glean stuff from finals. Like that we haven't scored in three finals this season. Who cares? Finals are 50/50 anyway, and sides tend to play more defensively as there's something on the line. And we weren't lucky enough to come up against Watford like City did. We came up against a proper team!


coronacatharsis

Very well said. I often think finals are almost in the hands of the gods when you have two top teams competing, and though the manager can prepare as best he can, they’re sometimes won by a twist of fate contrary to what would ordinarily be expected. Dudek had no right making that double save in extra time in 2005 as an example.


saintpablo111

Talks of Gini back for a 1 year loan?


brush85

He’s become the new Countinho


Peanut_77

No?


InfamousJackfruit672

I mean if PSG are paying 70 % of wages, we might want to look at it. But there is a lot of things that could go wrong with Gini back, I am not sure we have the bandwith to rebuild his confidence while going for the league title and I am not sure Gini would be the same player if he is only there as a bit part player.


TheLimeyLemmon

Klopp doesn't seem interested in taking back players once they go. Plus his wages are now higher than they were and he's a year older and out of usual minutes. I'm sure Gini has earned a certain amount of the criticism himself, but his exclusion from the CL squad is more damning on PSG than anyone else. Thrown money on a player they relegated to domestic comps within six months of signing. It reeks of the utter short-sightedness of that club.


severedfragile

>Klopp doesn't seem interested in taking back players once they go. He brought back Kagawa and Nuri Sahin to Dortmund, and wanted Liverpool to sign Gotze, so I don't think that's true.


TheLimeyLemmon

Those are very old examples, mind. The opportunities to re-sign old players has come up more recently since and there's been very little of any interest from Klopp to pursue them.


disco_mode

36 apps with 22 starts in the league plus his European involvement. That’s more games than Thiago/Henderson/Fabinho usually play on average.


TheLimeyLemmon

Appearance numbers are misleading though. Ox in 19/20 had 43 apps compared to Gini's 47, but there's no argument which player had the most minutes, by almost double. Gini played 1,993 minutes last season, which is a lower total than every season Fabinho's played since 2012, Thiago since 2015, and Hendo since 2016.


WH6TSINANAME

On the other hand that would be good for us and if he'd played more they'd not be considering loaning him.


TheLimeyLemmon

Why would fewer minutes played be good for us?


WH6TSINANAME

He did it with Shinji Kagawa who similarly moved on and hardly played Doubt we'd be paying all those wages and less minutes means he's more rested than before. Can't see it happening but we'd be in better shape if it did


abradley19955

Source is the daily star… Lol


Silantro-89

We don't do stopgaps apparently, although I'm not sure what else you would describe a 1 year deal for Milner as other than that


OziAviator

I had a dream last night in which we signed Lukaku? Might have to refer to it as a nightmare.


macNy

Yeah, I remember one time last season when I saw him and thought that I was watching a legends game, he looked so fat and slow.


BriarcliffInmate

I've never seen a player look as unfit as he did when he came back to Chelsea. Even Fat Bobby looked fitter.


AdikkuChan

Lmao I don't even think he can handle the Barca legends team


YerDadsBurnerAccount

I think that’s called a nightmare, not a dream.


Red_Brummy

>This week, I am mostly FSG In. Until Liverpool sell a player, then I am mostly FSG Out.


MartinPerrott

That's quite funny tbf


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is that real? send the link


FutureSkeIeton

What is your preferred lineup in a 4231?


InfamousJackfruit672

Ali, Tren, Robbo, Vvd, Konate, Fabs, Hendo, Thiago, Diaz, Salah, Nunez ![img](emote|t5_2qn0o|8824)


tNhEaGnAoNs

Ali, Trent, Konate (or JoelTheGiraffe), VVD, Robbo, Fabinho, Thiago, Mo, Bobby, Diaz, Nunez


JokeSalty

Alisson, Trent, VVD, Matip, Robbo, Fab, Thiago, Diaz, Carvalho, Mo, Nunez


Walshey-

No Bobby?


coronacatharsis

Carvalho over Bobby?? The kid hasn’t kicked a ball for us yet!


Tremor00

Neither has Nunez tbf. Should be jota going off this


coronacatharsis

Take your point mate but one’s a 19 year old kid who’s never played top flight football and the other is a £65M signing we’re clearly banking on!


Tremor00

True :) was only messing. I do think carvalho has a lot to give. His age and price tag give off the wrong impression. He was championship toty xi and if his contract wasn’t expiring they honestly coulda charged like 30mil i reckon


JokeSalty

True but I think the with consistent gametime Carvalho could be a star. I just don’t think Bobby would offer much in that number 10 role: he’s not a great passer, he’s not quick, he hasn’t got a great shot. I know Carvalho isn’t incredible in any of those aspects either but he clearly has a lot more room to grow and has the talent to surpass Bobby in these areas. Also I’ll admit I included Carvalho because he’s a shiny new player that I want to watch


coronacatharsis

Would you start Elliot over Bobby and Fabio as things stand? He was terrific before the Leeds injury last year


ash_ninetyone

Ngl it would be funny to see money-motivated mercenary Sterling to force his way out of City. Kinda a what comes-around-goes-around thing


Robinhoyo

City are reportedly willing to let him go, doesn't seem to have the full trust from Pep to start games anymore


coronacatharsis

How would you judge his time at City on balance?


DLRsFrontSeats

Ultimately, any player they've had under Pep was brought in or kept in order to get them the CL...


ash_ninetyone

On the balance? He's been a good signing for City and worth the money in retrospect. But on the whole I also don't think he's lived up to his potential either and has limitations, and upgrades are out there. He would've been quite a different player if he stayed and worked under Klopp.


disco_mode

He’s been the bench mark for their wingers to in city’s most dominant period. He’s not had a single Jack Grealish season, respect where it’s due.


Rumi2004

I don’t think this World cup will affect us that much. I doubt Thiago hendo Trent ibou Bobby are probably going to play much. Taki could move on in this window. Nunez will probably be rotational if cavani and Suarez are both fit. Virgil will start all games. Jota would probably play start most games. That leaves Ali and fab could play most games or could be rotated with Casemiro and ederson. I think everyone else in the squad isn’t going to the World Cup unless I missed someone.


-Twigs-

For Nuñez it depends largely on how much he plays in the start of the season. We don't really know if he'll be like Diaz in how quickly he slots in or if he'll be eased in during the first half season. If he starts almosg every game for us and is decent i doubt he'll be third choice for Uruguay


dj4y_94

Ifs and buts, but if City do end up selling Jesus, Sterling, Bernardo and Gundogan, then I think regardless of Haaland they could be in for rocky patch at some point next season. Less so Jesus, but those 4 have been massive for them over the past couple of years and won't be easy to replace even if they do inevitably splash the cash.


WH6TSINANAME

All those eggs in one Haaland shaped basket...


stadiofriuli

That’s what I was thinking the other day as well, they could’ve some massive outgoings which could benefit us. They surely need some time to adapt while we mostly hold our squad together except for Mané of course who’s a big loss.


ash_ninetyone

They could lose Sterling and Jesus for sure and deal with it. Gundogan too to a degree (tho he carried their attack a bit with some clutch goals). I'd expect they'd find a replacement for Sterling fast. Bernardo Silva would be their biggest loss of a player from that bunch.


iNS0MNiA_uK

Bernando is good I literally don't see a way they can justify getting rid. His contract has plenty of time left on it and it'd be a massive gamble to try and find someone else.


christophlieber

bernardo would be a really big loss for them. i hate that cunt but i can‘t deny that he‘s a great player that fits pep‘s system perfectly.


JokeSalty

I don’t mean to slander Gini but I just found this graph shockingly funny https://mobile.twitter.com/sadioiogist/status/1538634512271278085


InfamousJackfruit672

no scale on it, no numbers, just lines. quite meaningless graph really. And based on one season where Gini and all of PSG have struggled with identity. ​ But yeah, resigning Gini is probably not the best idea.


lelibertaire

Also it's probably total quantities and Gini didn't play much last season from what I'm aware. Who is sincerely talking about resigning Gini anyway? A small minority? At most, I'm just using him as an example to say that he was a good contributor to the team, our midfield needed to be strengthened when he was here with Thiago, and thus, our midfield still needs to be strengthened now that he's left and we've lost his availability and consistency.


InfamousJackfruit672

yeah good point. ​ I don't know how many actually wants him back in. Suppose a few wants him because they doubt the club will pay a semi-big fee for a player atm, so bringing Gini back in would short term give more options. And some are just big fans of Gini. But I don't know it's not like there are big comprehensive polls on the matter, all it takes is for three accounts on reddit to post something about maybe we should take Gini back and then we start getting the posts about why we shouldn't and for all we know it's 10-20 people who have strong opinions on the matter driving the debate.


disco_mode

For anyone who wants to see a real comparison rather than slander: https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=2fqv5mlWRM0ynTic-6jQx But really Gini is more like Henderson than Thiago and also he would add to the midfield options rather than replace.


disco_mode

Obviously fake


FutureSkeIeton

How about his chart from his last year with us? Surely that’s fair, even Messi is looking way off at PSG last year.


macNy

It may not seem like it because expectations were so high but Messi actually had a very good season. His 5.9 shot creating chances per 90 mins ranks him in the 90th percentile of all forwards in the world.


JokeSalty

Tbh I’m pretty sure gini’s chart from his last season with us would be very similar, he was shite in that season. Also Messi’s underlying numbers are still top in terms of dribbling and creating, only his finishing has taken a hit


disco_mode

Gini was amazing in his last season what do you mean.


Teb-41

...what


JokeSalty

No he wasn’t. If he was amazing we would’ve offered him what he wanted, he was on the decline and has continued to decline