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RagnarDannes34

I'm not sure how people can interact with govt agencies, bureaucrats and not consider them a fucking joke.


PX_Oblivion

Depends on the agency, my local dmv is super efficient and amazing. Efit: (This is not sarcasm by the way)


Sturgillsturtle

Dumb zoning laws and taxes.


[deleted]

I just want to start with a balanced budget.


[deleted]

You could say I've always been Libertarian - I grew up in a family that deeply hated authority and valued responsibility, self-reliance, and autonomy. I was warned against people who use safety as a means to control others so when I found the Libertarian model, I was in.


BoognishRisen

The never ending lies and manipulation from both sides of the American political spectrum. It’s become abundantly clear they serve only their own self interests and are the in essence the same entity. The system is so corrupt it can now only serve to perpetuate itself and the special interests it enriches. It’s corrupt to the core and the biggest threat to the global ecosystem we’ve ever seen. Government is everyone’s biggest enemy and we must free ourselves from this government, corporate, big bank serfdom that has been created.


Drunktendo64

I became a Libertarian in 2008 when Obama and McCain ran against each other and I asked myself the question "is this it? Is this what politics is? Just choosing the person I hate the least? Why do I have to always compromise on things I believe?"


Chrisc46

I grew up in poverty and lived through the inability to move upwards economically. Due to that, my perspective always comes from that direction. As a young adult, I watched the Milton Friedman Speaks lecture series, took economics courses, and began working for a number of small businesses. These things created the realization that liberty is the way to allow for the impoverished to actually escape the situation that they are in. I discovered that many of those in generational poverty are suppressed and held in poverty by the very same government market distortions that are intended to help them. I've been a libertarian ever since. As I've aged, I've leaned ever closer towards anarcho-capitalism. I don't think there's anything that would shift me back towards authoritarian statism.


PX_Oblivion

If you think there'd be less poverty in an anarcho-capitalist state, that's crazy to me. Do you not consider slavery or indentured servitude to be poverty?


Chrisc46

Slavery would not be legal under ibertarianism.


PX_Oblivion

>As I've aged, I've leaned ever closer towards anarcho-capitalism Your words....


Chrisc46

Yes. Even under anarcho-capitalism, slavery is still a violation of liberty.


PX_Oblivion

It'll be illegal in a society with no laws? Can you explain how that works for me?


Chrisc46

A lack of government imposed law is not the same as a lack of market imposed law.


PX_Oblivion

Can you explain how you'd prevent a large and powerful military corporation from having slaves with whatever a "market imposed law" is? Or explain what you think a market imposed law is? Since Google has no relevant results for that phrase.


Chrisc46

Only if you can explain to me how a "large and powerful military corporation" would even develop under anarcho-capitalism in the first place.


PX_Oblivion

Sure, a group of people would come together and sell their military services of protection and conquest to other groups that produce food, power, technology, etc.


CrisicMuzr

I came out as trans and transitioned only to realize how many people want to strip me away of certain rights (positive and negative) for choosing to be happy.


PX_Oblivion

Well, Republicans want you to be actively discriminated against, and libertarians want it to be ok for you to be actively discriminated against. Seems like an odd choice, though it is a slight step towards improvement.


CrisicMuzr

"leave me alone" is an easier sell than "respect me"


PX_Oblivion

But libertarians are ok with you starving because no one will sell you food, or freezing because no one will home you, because of who you are.


CrisicMuzr

Very true. I'd still say libertarians are closest to my ideal if discrimination is among the only things I'd rather have a ban for.


PX_Oblivion

Fair enough, I'd rather discrimination only be allowed for things someone chooses. But to each their own.


CrisicMuzr

Agreed. But then the question becomes whether me being trans is a choice. I'd argue it isn't, but I don't want a legislator to make the decision there. I feel I know what they'd say.


riseofthenothing

Nice try, Statist. Gonna round us all up and put us in “Freedom Camps” next?


jcowsss

You get your freedom after spending 14 days there and obeying every strict rule they put on you.


zippyspinhead

A public school education put me inside an institution that was clearly about perpetuating the status of the people that ran it over the welfare of the children subjected to it.


PX_Oblivion

And no education would have been superior?


zippyspinhead

Not all things have to be provided by the state, and even if they are provided by the state, they do not have to be run by the state.


Freezefire2

Nothing happened. I just can’t think of a reason others should be allowed to tell me what to do with my body or property or I should be allowed to tell others what to do with their bodies or property. I realized this back in like 4th grade, though I obviously didn't have my beliefs completely fleshed out and consolidated.


PX_Oblivion

The only reason you have property rights at all is because of the state. Otherwise it'd just be whoever is stronger owns the property (which is still technically true, it's just the state is the strongest).


Freezefire2

I'm a libertarian not an anarchist.


logiclust

I was coming of age when seatbelt laws were going into effect and it was around then that I realized that people should be allowed to be idiots. How else will Darwinism takes it’s course?


MadmansScalpel

I hate how many times i have to plead with people about this. Wear your seatbelt. Please. It's a violent death that drastically brings your survival rate down AND makes you a large cannonball to whip around and kill passengers n the like Please. I've seen enough brains n guts. Wear your seatbelt


PX_Oblivion

And those who were born into wealthy families are obviously genetically superior....


unaccomplished420

Basically everything. Since i was a child I was able to think outside the narrative the news is force feeding my brain. The sad thing is most people dont question anything, but that is how our education system is designed. Unfortunately we only have a 2 party system that people treat like a sports team (us vs them) and that is not the case. I could go on but dont have the time to type it all here. Even your question shows tour lack of understanding on the issues caused by our government.


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CumKitten09

I just made my tag this a little while ago, but the dream smp introduced me to it, which is kinda embarrassing but whatever I've embraced it Technoblade and a lot of the stuff he said made me look into anarchism and that's how I found out the libertarians weren't just a bunch of alt-right super Trumpsters and we actually agreed on a lot of stuff I realised like, most all the inequality comes from people forcing their will on others through the government. Jim Crow laws, antilgbt laws, the drug crisis etc were all caused because people in power chose to force it on others. There are a bunch of countries where I'm legally not allowed to exist and a few where I could legally be killed just because I'm me, and this shouldn't be allowed to happen If we allowed people to live as they want, in a perfect world that'd be great but because of how divided I've seen the country become and how in countries with unstable governments people naturally create very brutal sects to fill a power void I don't think that'd ever happen in anarchy and so I'm definitely not an anarchist But I also see how having access to power over others inevitably turns into treading on people so I don't want to have that either So I have an idea of what I want socially but I don't know how to get there As for the economy this "allow people to do what they want" is also a big influence. I also saw that companies had all the entry level jobs locked at minimum wage regardless of how livable that was (which they were allowed to do because of the government) and that took away the worker's ability to advocate for oneself because it just gave the employers an easy offramp to deny raises plus eliminated labour competition because no matter where you'd go it'd be the same, so worker's advocacy is important to me so people don't become wage slaves like that. Another example is a friend's history teacher who's family bought property then Disneyland was built right next to it. They just airbnbed the place out and he was literally a millionaire, he was only working for fun. He should be allowed to work for free if he wants to I also got my second job ever this year after minimum wage basically became meaningless so I'm making enough as a janitor so that my pay could get cut in half and I'd still be fine, which says to me that this issue of people being underpaid came from it being forced on them by government policy written by politicians big corporations paid for Part of why I don't believe in something like communism working well is actually from when Bezos went to space while his workers had pretty bad workplace quality and had been consistently asking for better. I chose to stop using Amazon after that and the workers can choose to work somewhere else since obviously he doesn't care about them, but if our system was all built in like in communism chances are the national shipping service could be even worse than Amazon, I couldn't support local and competitors instead and the employees would have no choice but to work there. With what we have we can actually protest and choose which is great This is super long-winded and I typed on mobile, sorry if this is ass to read but I'm tired now


noeldrake20

Honestly I heard about Ayn Rand through Rush, although it's important to note that objectivism and libertarianism are different, I would consider myself an ally with libertarians.


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Everyone is libertarian when it comes to the way they want to live. Authoritarians just also impose it on others. What makes some one politically libertarian is when I also don’t care about how you live. Most democrats want laws on others and don’t really get effected by them. Most republicans want laws on others and don’t really get effected by them.


grimmowl

dislike authority.


emptymagg

Just reading the News should do it !


MadmansScalpel

Radicalized by youtube personalities and eventually slipped down deep. They hid themselves under the label libertarian n the like, and i bought it lock n key. I was borderline to actually being a white nationalist. That said, i got out of that mess, thankfully, and after a whole mess of things here i am. No longer the far right LINO i was


Mrandomc

GOP pushed me because they are hypocrites and I strongly dislike some personalities from the party. The Dems pushed me because they think irresponsible spending & regulation can fix all issues. Throw in a Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump and I was looking for any other answer. Found Gary Johnsons 2016 website and realized I agree with more of the issues on his site then on all the other candidates websites combined.


Kezia_Griffin

Personally(I know I'm not a "true libertarian") I very much agree with the social side of libertarianism and love the idea of economic libertarianism. However, I don't think the economics are realistic at this time. I am drawn to the social side because I feel people should be free to do whatever they want so long as it doesn't harm other people.


reddit2II2

My mind is not for rent to any god or government...so that excludes both Republican and democrat party. Basically Libertarian by default, and probably not even Libertarian...I'm a Human without a political party, which honestly is the way Humanity should be, that is pure Libertarianism to me.