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Pilum2211

In this image you can see the Line of Succession in the Kingdom of Prussia and the German Empire in Kaiserreich as of 1936, going by the assumption that Prince Wilhelm of Prussia still marries Dorothea of Salviati and get's the marriage accepted. This also takes into account potential Rework Lore like August starting as King of Poland and Adalbert no longer being King of Flanders-Wallonia (Belgium). For anyone curious, today in 2022 (assuming the same people as OTL are born and marry the same people as OTL the current Emperor would be (depending on if Germany changes it's succession laws with Wilhelm IV only having two daughters): **Under Salic Law:** Louis Ferdinand Prinz von Preußen (1944-1977 Died in a military accident OTL) *or* Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preußen (\*1976) **Under Male-Preference Primogeniture:** Dinnies Wilhelm Karl Alexander von der Osten (1962-1989) *or* Hubertus Christoph Joachim Friedrich von der Osten (\*1964) *("von Preußen" instead of "von der Osten" in KR if the law is changed)* **Absolute cognatic primogeniture:** Dinnies Wilhelm Karl Alexander von der Osten (1962-1989 Died early as well) *or* Cecilie Felicitas Katherina Sophie von der Osten (\*1967) *("von Preußen" instead of "von der Osten" in KR if the law is changed)*


Baxterwashere

I always like stuff like this, the whole "putting nobles on random thrones" thing was hilarious and I loved doing it. Sad Flander-Wallonia is being removed


-et37-

Wait, it is?! What’s replacing it?


Shotwells

Nothing, they're just gonna have [Albert I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_I_of_Belgium) as their king instead of Adalbert.


Pilum2211

It’s also ain’t gonna be called Flanders-Wallonia anymore. Just Belgium.


RPS_42

Flanders-Wallonia is a much better name than Belg*um


Galactic_Kingg

Why succession line skips Oskar's children?


Pilum2211

He morganatically married a women of lesser standing and so his children only inherited the lesser Prussian Title (Count/Countess if Ruppin) and as such aren’t eligible to be King of Prussia.


The_UwU_Tsar

This also includes the line of succession for Flanders Wallonia :)


Pilum2211

Yeah, but I left that out due it being stated multiple times on the Discord by now that in a future Belgium Rework Albert will once more be King of Belgium at game start. But in return August will start as King of Poland.


The_UwU_Tsar

From a multicultural puppet state to a monocultural puppet state, upgrades, people, upgrades


Intellectual_Wafer

Ok, so there are several problems because of timeline divergence. First of all, I doubt that Wilhelm II. would've remarried at all. He basically married Hermine of Reuß in 1922 to avoid a public scandal. After the death of the former Empress, Hermine, who had always adored Wilhelm, convinced her youngest son to write Wilhelm a condolence letter. He then invited her and her son to Doorn. But the marriage only happened because an american journalist crashlanded his plane on purpose in the park of Hermine's home (Saabor Castle in Silesia) as a pretense to investigate rumours that Wilhelm was planning to marry her. She invited him into the house and he saw a picture of Wilhelm on the piano. He then published an article that the "couple" was planning a wedding. It seems that it was this false public information that forced Wilhelm to indeed marry Hermine in order not to compromise her (and his) honour. In a KRTL, this chain of events would not have happened and I doubt that Wilhelm would've married another woman, being already 62 years old. Second, the marriage of Prince Wilhelm with Dorothea of Salviati is highly problematic. I don't think that there is even the slightest possibility that the Emperor or Crown Prince Wilhelm would've agreed to this marriage (they very strongly objected it in OTL), since it was a morganatic marriage according to the dynastic rules. But even if they did, I don't think that they would've allowed the children of the couple to ascend to the throne(s) or for the male-only primogeniture to be changed. Some german noble houses still haven't changed it today. I think the farthest still realistic possibility would've been to allow Prince Wilhelm to retain his personal claim to the throne but to deny it to his children with Dorothea - much similar to Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary and his children, who where morganatic as well. But even this is not the most likely scenario, because if the monarchy was not abolished in 1918 and Germany had won the war, there would've been (most likely) different marriages, different children and different lifespans altogether. In this case, Prince Wilhelm likely would've married a woman of equal rank. The same would be probably true for his brothers.


Pilum2211

Regarding the first part: I would generally agree but the Wiki does state that they are married in KR so I can't change it.Regarding the Second Part I have to partially DM you but what I can say publically: I do not like the idea of making up marriages and thus creating ficticious children. And regarding his brothers: Wouldn't bet on them all marrying a woman of equal rank when even Prince Oskar didn't have to.


Intellectual_Wafer

Yes, making up children is completely speculative, but if we talk about royal marriages, the options are comparatively limited, so it is not as far a stretch to think about who Prince Wilhelm could've married - as a possibility, not a certainty. If we assume that Wilhelm still would've met Dorothea as a student in Bonn and secretly married her, I still think their children would've been excluded from the line of succession, even if he himself was not.


Pilum2211

I could see Wilhelm marrying secretively and then putting his father and grandfather before a Fait Accompli. Where then the Kaiser and Crown Prince have to choose what would be the bigger scandal: The Man directly in line of the throne marrying a woman of lesser rank and accepting it or Accepting the marriage and allowing the children to inherit. Both are of course very problematic but the 2nd option might bring more appeal. After all, the idea of a noble marrying a lower ranking woman is seen as quite romantic by many and might endear them more to the people than with the first option


Lord_Talthiel

Regarding this, I think it's kinda dumb to just assume winning the war would change who these royals would meet, outside of Wilhelm II, given many of them stayed in Germany after ww1, they associated in the same circles and married with other royal people, I also think it's dumb for the different children thing, given most of the children born of the sons and daughters of Wilhelm II were born before the PoD and before the war itself. They were married before the war. For example Wilhelm III was married in 1905 to Cecilie of Mecklenburg-Schwerin Eitel Friedrich was married in 1906 to Sophia Charlotte of Oldenburg Adalbert was married in 1914 to Adelheid of Saxe Meiningen Auwi was married in 1908 to Alexandra Victoria of Schleswig Holstein Oskar was married in 1914 to Ina Marie von Bassewitz and that marriage was Morganatic Joachim was married in 1916 to Marie Auguste of Anhalt, though divorced otl in 1919, which wouldn't happen since he divorced, in part due to losing all his titles and status Victoria Louise was married to Ernest Augustus in 1913 So this covers all of Wilhelm II's children, who's marriages and children would not change. Then the question for Wilhelm III's kids gets a bit more into alternate territory, because, for some like Wilhelm IV, his marriage was controversial but ultimately his marriage was accepted into the House and they were styled as princesses, this could happen ITTL, or he could marry someone else, I can't say for sure, but I don't think it'd change for a lot of the family given, like I said above, they associated with other royals and stayed in those circles in marriage too.


melonemann2

Hermine: oh willhelm it's leviosa. Not leviosaah Willheim II: Was zum fick


Fun_Police02

Leviosaaaaaaaaaaahhhh


Yularen2077

Wonderful work with this! Love a good infograph.


Pilum2211

Thank you


A_devout_monarchist

Is it just me or Prince Hubertus looks a lot like Goebbels?


Pilum2211

I cannot say no to that


JJIlg

To me he looked more like heidrich.


Zonetick

This makes me wonder how did they manage to organise and cram all of those 11 people into the Hindenburg in order to get Victoria on the throne in vanilla.


CallousCarolean

And even if they all died except for Victoria Louise, she still wouldn’t inherit the throne. It would go to closest male relative instead, even if distant.


-et37-

This is quite the useful infographic, nice job!


spectator4321

So who would be the Kaiser now in 2022 if Germany wasn’t a Republic?


Intellectual_Wafer

Under OTL conditions (if the monarchy was to be reintroduced) it would be Georg Friedrich, the grandson of Prince Louis Ferdinand.


Pilum2211

I stated that in my original comment. It depends on if Germany is gonna change succession laws.


spectator4321

sorry I missed it


Robbedoesm

I feel like nr. 11 will SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS from time to time


GrandDukeofLuzon

I see that Joachim does not delete himself here.


Pilum2211

Well no, otherwise he couldn’t become King of Georgia later on.


TheArrivedHussars

Mf don't give the devs any ideas on how to add even more lag to the game


TheoryKing04

Correction, line of succession limited to the descendants of Wilhelm II. There are other princes in line to the throne who just aren’t descended from Wilhelm, like the children of Wilhelm’s late brother Henry


Pilum2211

I know, but spacing issues. Technically one could make the line of succession to include 100 people.


ThatStrategist

Ive never seen this Eitel Friedrich guy before. Is he in Kaiserreich at all? Why didnt he become king of a random European country?


Pilum2211

He is in Kaiserreich and has a wiki page. But he was involved in the Osthilfe Scandal which ruined his public reputation. Apart from that in KR only one of Wilhelm II son is gonna be King of a country at game start (August of Poland). Plus of course Joachim being able to be chosen as King of Georgia.


ThatStrategist

Before the "forest brothers" update i think another brother was king of Belarus as well. So after the Kaiser died five brothers could be monarchs of Belarus, Belgium, Georgia, Germany and Poland


Pilum2211

No, the Belarussian Kings were Wilhelm II Nephews.


Hans_the_Frisian

You know, if i could create mods in game that actually worked then i would try to make a Mod in which Karl Franz can become Kaiser which opens up a Warhammer Fantasy Focustree.


_justb

I thought female were able to become Kaiserin.


Pilum2211

No, Germany and Prussia followed Salic Law which excluded any Females and their children from inheriting.


Biittersteel

Man, I did not know that Eitel was so fat.


Zitronenfalter78

Flag should be changed


Pilum2211

What do you mean?


Zitronenfalter78

At some point the black red and gold would come in. There were already tendencies in the 1910s to do that to show the united alldeutsch character of the country.


Pilum2211

Maybe. I personally don’t see it happening. Especially as long as Germany doesn’t claim Austria.


Zitronenfalter78

It was more about tradition (Connection to the HRE etc) Black white and red slowly lost its meaning (as it never had one really, it meant nothing to Bismarck for example) before 1918 and only got a rejuvenation in the 1920 because the far right needed a symbol to counter the republic.