Houston hospital suspends 178 employees who refused Covid-19 vaccination
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So then if any of their employees who took it to keep their job is harmed by it then they get to sue right?
An other good question is, if these poeple infect others cuz they are at "front line" they should get sued?
next time there is an experimental drug that comes out to treat something every single person in here is required to take it. if you dont youre fired.
These people are working in a field where making sure you aren't going to infect people is supposed to be their top priority, you goon.
this isnt justice
They have the right to refuse to have the vaccination...and the rest of society has the right to refuse to include them.
That isn't justice, that's tyranny
Right-to-work laws (championed by the right) mean employers can fire employees for any reason whatsoever.
Texas is a right-to-work state.
No tyranny is holding you down and forcing it onto you. This is a hospital that has the right to say what their employees must do to stay employed. Let those idiots go find work elsewhere.
That's actually a rational decision made on the basis of public welfare over personal preference.
It's literally how civil society works.
next time there is an experimental drug out if you dont take it youre fired.
Get over yourself.
The fact of the matter is that desperate times call for desperate measures.
Also, we've become quite good at creating vaccines. In fact, there's literally a whole science and industry dedicated to it.
I mean, unless you want to live in the pre-apocalyptic hellscape which has been COVID for *another* 9 years?
Another 9 years of rotating lockdowns, idiots protesting getting their shots/wearing a mask, and countless deaths?
Fuck me, you don't *have* to force me to take it: I'll *volunteer* to take an experimental vaccine to avoid another 9 years of this.
Also, it's [not experimental; it was fast-tracked](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW). Huge difference. Vast numbers of brave souls [*volunteer*](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=volunteers+for+COVID+vaccine+testing&ia=web) to be the human test subjects for the *actual* experimental vaccines. The [production vaccines were fast-tracked](https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-no-animal-testing.html).
Take your anti-vaxx BS elsewhere; no one here is buying.
ive gotten the vaccine, both shots of moderna. no vaccines are FDA approved which makes them experimendal as of jun 10th of this year. im sorry but if someone decides they want more information before they get the vaccine they should not be punished for it.
"Vaccines that receive EUA are considered experimental until the FDA formally approves it. It is possible that a rare side effect will be found after mass vaccination allows a longer term of observation on a larger number of people, but most side effects are picked up in the first several months after vaccination."
"Currently, no coronavirus vaccine is fully approved by the FDA, but three were given emergency use authorization by the agency"
That's actually a private business making a business related decision.
Firing people for any reason is a byproduct of right-to-work laws that’s are championed by the right. Texas is a right to work state. Legally everything here is on the up & up.
If you don’t like it, you got a couple options:
1. Whine & do nothing
2. Start organizing a Union
3. Stop voting for cuckservatives
That’s at-will laws, not right-to-work. Right-to-work, as the name implies (which happens to be exactly the opposite implication of what you’re trying to say it means), refers to laws giving you the *right to work* without being forced to join a union.
You misspelled logical lol
This sub sucks so much lol
thanks for your input
How the fuck does a vaccine skeptic get employed in a hospital?
As a healthcare worker for 24 years, good. You cannot put the elderly and ill at risk.
If they work in a hospital they are in contact with people who might not make it if they would get corona. So instead of killing people, they choose to fire those who refuse to take the vaccine. They're not doing it for no reason.
I can see both sides here... I know people in hospitals that avoid the yearly flu shot and are hesitant with being forced to take anything...
Yet, if it's 100% safe, and will win the fight against covid, I think they should reconsider (based on the science).
I don't trust science in today's world, half of the science is just people forgetting the obvious.
If you're referring to studies studying things that seem "common sense", it's because common sense isn't reliable. You don't get to just assume something in science and have everyone else believe it, so it has to be proven.
Good for the Nurses.
Lol at the chick with a tripod for her cellphone. I hope that’s a gag.
I mean, we should at least wait for clinical trials to end before we force vaccines on people.
You can't administer a vaccine that hasn't passed clinical trials.
They have been completed you idiot
What are you talking about? Phase 3 clinical trials for Pfizer ended last November.
Oh yeahhh my bad
Okay, well I'm glad you educated yourself on this issue. Cheers.
Yeah it passed clinical trials. Extremely rushed clinical trials.
Got any facts to back up your claims that they were rushed? Don't just say "OF COURSE IT WAS"
Try googling it, find out you were wrong and don't even know how trials work
Also [heres my facts](http://globalnews.ca/news/7511664/fact-or-fiction-covid-19-vaccine/)
Ok and did you even read the article? It further makes you look like a fucking moron.
> But Tiessen, Chagla, and Caulfield all emphasize that ‘speed’ does not equal ‘sloppiness’.
> “(The developers) are following all the normal processes. They’re building the sample sizes. They’re testing on large populations, and the many-makers are testing in several countries,” said Tiessen. “I don’t believe they’re skipping steps.”
> ‘Speed’ certainly does not mean doctored results either. In fact, Chagla says faking trial results is an impossible feat.
> “It’s not simply that a company can make up their own information,” said Chagla. “They hold a trial. There’s a placebo group. There’s independent bodies that monitor the data. There’s independent bodies that monitor the safety. There’s independent bodies that monitor the ethics of these clinical trials.”
> “There’s often this perception that you see in the anti-vax community that there’s somehow a collaboration, or a conspiracy, with the pharmaceutical industry, with government, and with regulatory bodies, in order to fast-track a vaccine without good evidence,” said Caulfield. “That’s not the way it works…these developers are building on decades of research.”
So, regardless of the safety of it, everyone has a right to be skeptical about a vaccine that was done in less than a year, and without seeing the results of it long term, its unfair to force people to take it.
Uh, the average time it takes for a vaccine to pass clinical trials is 6-7 years. How long did the covid vaccine take? A helluva lot less. So yeah, i think its safe to say it was rushed.
you're incredibly stupid but felt the need to share your ignorance with the rest of us. thanks
Well fuck you bro u admitted i was wrong no need to be a jackass
fuck you, stop saying wrong shit it, youre doing it on purpose
Also should have known you were a fucking weeb
Either way the covid vaccine was heavily rushed. Most clinical trials for vaccines take around 3-4 years the covid vaccine was done in less than a year, explain to me how it makes sense to force people into taking it when it already shows significant amounts of people around the age of 16 getting heart inflammation from the vaccine thats made for a disease with a 99.4% survival rate for those who are even 70+. Also fuck you asshole lick my balls
I am surprised that people in the medical profession aren't more aware of the right thing to do here ( except Dr Oz)
If it was any of type of job sure it might be ridiculous but the fact that it is a hospital makes this completely fair as their are people who could die very easily from the virus within the hospital receiving any form of treatment.
> If it was any of type of job sure it might be ridiculous
You might want to say that, but Republicans have spent decades pushing "Right To Work" laws that let employers fire you for no reason with no warning at all.
Corporate rights are greater than your rights, cicizen.
Being vaccinated always has been a requirement for working at hospitals.
Not for optional experimental vaccines. You are thinking of the FDA approved ones, like for polio and measles.
Then I would get vaccinated because it will be like any other vaccine I've gotten.
But for now, optional should mean optional.
With-holding pay and laying off nearly 200 healthcare workers during a time where both jobs and healthcare workers are valuable obviously seems like the wrong move, but you all are glorifying it.
It is the wrong move. Forcing something onto people isn’t right, they should take the time to answer every question or concern before allowing them the option of taking it.
People saying it isn’t forced. Not sure where you live. But without income where I live, you die. If you call that a choice you’re delusional and feed into the dystopia they created wonderfully.
Its not forced because if they don't like it they can find another profession. It's not do or die. They are medical professionals not fast food workers. They are around those who are at risk as part of their job.
I don't understand the people in this thread. They are the same people who prioritized healthcare workers during the height of the pandemic when the vaccine didn't exist. But now that it does, their moral rules have suddenly changed.
Agreeing with the sentiment that you should get your vaccine as a healthcare worker also implies that masks do not work, yet these people forced a mandate for us to wear masks for over a year.
Which is it? Do masks not work and we need the vaccine to be without it? Or do masks work and the vaccine should be optional?
These are the same people who were allegedly concerned about unemployment, but are now seen mocking and celebrating the fact that 170+ of their once coveted "essential" workers are now laid off.
These people also seem more concerned about healthcare workers rather than the people they come into contact with on a regular basis. They question the vaccination of a nurse, but not restaurant and fast food workers who literally prepare food for the public. I bet you these idiots never thought about that. They just want something to be mad at.
These double standards need to stop. This moral high horse from being vaccinated needs to stop as well.
>Which is it? Do masks not work and we need the vaccine to be without it? Or do masks work and the vaccine should be optional?
It's not a simple case of one not working or both
it's just a matter of a spectrum of effectiveness, mask were never 100% they just assisted alongside other measures to provide the best safety net available but vaccines are a more efficient safety net
So masks are good but vaccines are better
It's like paramedics in ambulances versus doctors in hospitals
The paramedics try to stabilise and deal with a situation immediately on hand whereas they take you in an ambulance to a doctor who can provide a better response to needed care
Here lies the problem though.
Because to a small percentage of people, the virus is lethal, particularly to those with compromised immune systems. But most cases are actually asymptomatic, or experience something comparable to the common cold.
In other words, the virus varies for everyone, so people who desperately need the resistance should obviously get the vaccine if they are that concerned, but it should remain optional.
The burden of safety shouldn't fall on those who refuse to get it, but rather on those that need it to for their own safety.
The vaccine bolsters your immune system to fight it. If you are vaccinated, you should have zero concern about the vaccination of healthcare workers, and if you arent, that is your choice.
*Long story short: There are people who simply do not need the vaccine. That is why it still remains optional. That's why these workers will likely get a nice settlement in court*
How is this justice served? Not getting a voluntary vaccine shouldn’t be punished as it’s voluntary. I do understand that an employer can mandate employees to get a vaccination but as long as it’s voluntary let it be voluntary. If you were vaccinated but the guy next to you isn’t you’re good. Go about your day. We all understand the risk. Let people make their own choice without your say so in their lives. Quit applauding infringements on people’s liberties.
Not if you work in healthcare, particularly in hospitals.
Not if you work in a hospital.
You are uneducated/ignorant about healthcare workers in hospitals. The majority of hospitals already require an annual flu vaccine. Some will even require being completely up to date on all vaccines. Jobs that directly impact the life of another through their decisions do not get the liberty of doing whatever they want. You can do what’s required and continue working your job. They are also free to decide that some conspiracy theory not backed by any legitimate proof is worth their career. That is their choice. The choice should absolutely not be to kill their patients with diseases that they could be vaccinated against.
Because they aren’t just working with some random Joe Schmoe guy at the super market. They are working with the already sick, elderly, immunocompromised, cancer patients, etc etc. what you are suggesting is that they should be allowed to get these already sick patients sicker and potentially lead to their death.
How would anyone in their right mind view a hospital that is spreading infections as a place they want to be/trust?
Your also confused about liberties. When a choice affects someone else’s life that person who made that choice might have to deal with the consequences of that choice. Freedom of speech doesn’t protect you from slander. The right to own a gun doesn’t protect you from murdering someone with it. Refusing to be a vaccinated healthcare worker in this case has made them lose their jobs.
so, if im not mistaken both the fizer and moderna vaccines are both still considered experimental. at least as of today it has not been approved by the FDA. with that said, if there was an experimental vaccine that came out today for Aids and youre boss at the hospital came in and said that if you do not get this vaccine you will be fired, would you be ok with that?
You couldn’t even spell Pfizer correctly. And depends how many people have taken it? I was offered the Pfizer vaccine in early January and took it.
Just because something has yet to be approved by the fda doesn’t mean it hasn’t been tested at all. Also there’s a difference because it depends of how at risk I am of contracting the disease. My chance of contracting HIV is almost none existent. But if it was some other new dangerous, contagious, deadly disease I would again take it in the early stages.
Figures you aren’t one to read a couple paragraphs.
Yes, let people make their own life choices and suffer the consequences. I agree with you!
Don't want to take the vaccine? Can't work at a hospital.
It is voluntary. If you don't like it you can volunteer to work somewhere else.
You can't force people to put up with your plague rat ass because you don't believe in science. I don't want to be around you. Normal people don't want to be around you.
You are right they have a choice, most medical professional have to take vaccines before they can work with people or at their jobs. It's not unreasonable to expect them to take a vaccine. It's not experimental. It's been out for a while now and you can already see case studies based on reactions. Plus the success of rates of the vaccines are having a effect all over on covid 19 cases, they are declining. These people are either lazy or stupid. They didnt file for an exception or were not approved. If they don't want to work with the rules they can get another job. You don't have a right to have a job. This is America, people's rights are limited. Most people don't understand the difference between freedom of choice and rights allow by law. When you agree to be employed you give up your time, skills and make agreements on how to do the work. If they don't like it quit.
Sure... They're free to find another job. Employment is at-will and the hospitals don't wanna have those anti-vaxxers infect others employees or worse immuno-compromised patients and kill them. Get sued for millions.
They can voluntary go find another job more suitable for their liberty.
Yeah idk if you are legally allowed to force someone to take an experimental vaccine.
They are doing a “shot at a million” lottery draw in my state for people who’ve gotten this vaccine. It’s a slimy thing to do. The more and more evidence that come out from all this whole COVID the more gross it looks to force people or coax them into getting this vaccine.
As far as I’ve read though it is legal for an employer to mandate a vaccine. Even an experimental one.
Last time I checked it has past all the required tests. At what point would you personally consider it not experimental.
And what vaccines do you consider not experimental, and what is the difference between the testing regimes?
I guess I mean “experimental” by the fact that it’s only been tested on small groups. Either way, the fact that the first oath of health practitioners is, “do no harm” makes me nervous.
Pfizer was tested on 43,000 people during the phase 3 trials.
I’m not worried about short term complications; more so concerned with long term consequences.
but muh krispy kreme!
🤣 or my free joint!
What size test group would be suitable for you to be happy?
15 years from now……. If you or a loved one was forced to get a COVID 19 vaccine you could be entitled to a settlement…
These people are working closely with immuno compromised patients. It would be irresponsible to not require immunization.
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This isn’t justice it’s fascism.
I'd still rather be on the side of caution, especially considering I'm in a demographic not affected by it, I'm in the best shape of my life, and I had is a bit ago and wasnt effected, at all.
So you got a shot?
Nah. It's my choice and currently with it causing heart problems I'd rather not because my family has a history of heart problems. And so have I, just knowing my medical history and the risk that covid actually provides to me in comparison to the vaccine, I think I'll wait. If you want to get the jab, that's on you, just dont shame people that dont trust it, and I wont shame people that do trust it.
I already do social distance, people are gross. And I live in the middle of fuck off nowhere, and I like it in the middle of fuckoff nowhere.
Last I checked co-morbidities were a big factor and excess mortality data shows hundreds of millions of extra dead people for 2020 that it killed before existing illness could.
Whew. Keep trying.
Covid has killed more people with heart problems.
See, your bullshit falls apart real quick.
Last I checked covid was a respiratory disease not cardio vascular.
I'm sorry the risk you invoked is being put into actual math and data context and you're making a bad cost/benefit analysis.
I've already had it, according to the cdc I'm immune, and had the covid vaccine been a typical vaccine with just a weakend version of the vaccine I would have already had it. But with the new mRNA things I dont trust it.
Don't worry, we'll start growing horns and boosting 5G signals any day now.
Then get J&J which is the more “old fashioned” version.
I know a life long family friend who is a doctor in the state of Louisiana that continues to spread dis-information about the vaccine. She has been advising my parents in their 70s not to get vaccinated. I took a trip down to visit after I got fully vaccinated, and luckily I convinced them otherwise. Well kind of. They still believe her over me, but got vaccinated anyway because I asked them to.
But get this. Same doctor went on a trip a few months back, and everyone on the trip got covid, including her. One of them almost died. And guess what she did? Went back to work WITH COVID. A DOCTOR. Needless to say, when I found out I was so livid I almost blew a gasket. Had I been around when it all happened I think I would have reported her to the AMA. Her husband said basically that the advice given at her hospital to doctors, was as long as you don't have symptoms, come in to work. Otherwise there would be no one to care for patients. Louisiana is one backward fucked up place that I'm glad beyond words that I don't live in anymore.
edit: and to clarify, she 100% had symptoms & went back to work anyway.
Hospitals don't care, they're too short staffed. All our local hospitals say staff can work if they're asymptomatic. It's the craziest thing.
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I am not surprised. There are so many people that believes in that 5G theory..
Just wondering what vaccination the Nazis put on the French?
I'm just trying to understand how you tie trying to save lives to ww2 Nazis.
I'm also wondering if you didn't believe covid existed 18 months ago?
Why are they booing you? You’re right
I would sort by controversial but it doesn't seem to matter in this thread
Seeing things like this doesn't put my reservations at ease about to get the shot now or wait a while. These are people who are more knowledgeable about medicines and vaccines than me and they're choosing not to take it.
And before anyone says X amount out Y people I direct you to the old, If all your friends jump off a cliff would you as well
Thats a big pool... how many?
So take a count and make a choice.
Don't invoke them as if theyre not a gross minority.
Hospital employees are not necessarily trained or educated in immunology or virology. Nurses aren’t even. And this staff could be referring to PSW, environmental services etc so don’t let this sway you against getting it
So if 98% of doctors recommend it and 2% do not. They're both more knowledgeable than you, how'd you go? The example here is 98% tell you not to jump off the cliff and 2% do... That's a proper example.
The people who are most knowledgeable took the vaccine. That's most people who work in the hospital. These are outliers, most I imagine don't have a doctors degree or any understanding about how vaccines are tested and approved.
What I'm wondering is how many workers there did get it. A better analogy for this would be; if all your friends except 10% of them jumped off a bridge would you. My answer would be yes. My friends are rational people and I would expect them to not be jumping to their death, but more like, a safe fall into water.
Sub title on the article...
>Nearly 25,000 of Houston Methodist's staff members have been fully inoculated against Covid-19 as part of a vaccination requirement announced in April.
So 178 are saying no and nearly 25,000 have already said yes so the objectors are less than 1% of total staff. Even if you round to be as generous as possible and say 24,000 yes to 1000 no, that's still just 4% no.
And yet, if you read the article a bit further, you find that of the 178, 27 of them have already had their first shot...
>But 178 unvaccinated employees who did not get religious or medical exemptions were suspended without pay, **including 27 who are only partly vaccinated**.
The EEOC has also already stated that employers can require vaccinations as long as reasonable accommodations are made under the ADA. Sounds like this is 178 people that just want some extra attention and are putting their jobs on the line to get it.
That’s…. A really stupid analogy. You know the result of jumping off a bridge. Nobody knows the long term result of an RDNA vaccine.
Isn’t it mRNA not RDNA? They just inject you with mRNA that your cells use to make the spike proteins on the outside of covid viruses and then your body see those and makes antibodies. Why would that cause any long term effects?
You are correct on mRNA.
What generally happened when your body begins to replicate shit?
Cancer. That’s literally a possibility. We won’t know anything for possibly 20 years. But yeah, there is a risk. Even if you are too ignorant to see it.
Your cells replicate daily... Always.
What generally happens is it does its job just fine, also - every viral infection you have had, every cold, every sore throat or bout of flu has replicated in the billions every hour without giving you cancer.
Cancer happens when your immune system misses a mistake in your own dna after replication and that replicated cell is capable of survival, then further missed.
Unless you don't have a functioning immune system, but that generally disqualifies you from vaccines because they literally require an immune response to work.
????? It’s literally the same process as how your cells makes every other protein in your body, cancer is when a cell divides uncontrollably. There’s no cell division going on here. Do you have any other concerns?
Because of the microchips!
Yes but it was more of an analogy for how he's willing to make such a swift call on whether or not to get vaccine based off health professionals refusal of said vaccines. Meanwhile ignoring the other 99% of health professionals that accepted it.
Here's another analogy for you. That would be like me needing Sensodyne for my sensitive teeth. But saying, "well this clearly doesn't work, its only recommended by 9 out of 10 dentists. "...
That make me laugh. Cause that’s called advertising. And it’s always misleading.
[9 out of 10 dentists recommend you read this. ](https://marug.nl/en/for-students/blog/article/2019-04-16-9-out-of-10-dentists-recommend-reading-this-article)
Let's fire people for choosing to be careful about taking non-fda approved vaccines that may have serious side effects yet known. You can't be serious.
I find it amazing that everyone is skipping the article that reports links between the vaccines and heart problems.
Yeah... You must have skipped the link that Covid killed millions already and people who recovered from it suffered from chronic health issues like heart, lung, brain problems...
So let compare orange to oranges. How many died of Covid vs people taking the vaccine?
We'll find out on the long run as side effects begin to rear up. It's gradually happening already so stay tuned.
No? Lol, stay tuned for another one of Chef Fauci's lab grown viruses. Be ready to take the next experimental jab and booster shots when that comes around.
Why should I be worried, I didn't take the vaccine, you did. You worry about the next doses of vaccines and booster shots you're gonna jab into your arm. Don't forget to praise lord fauci and Saint Gates for the next pandemics and vaccines to come.
it's not nice to taunt those who have an intellectual disability
We use our brains quite efficiently, that must be such a mystery to persons like you who've never used theirs.
Sure.... I'll be fine sitting here counting the hundreds to thousand anti-vaxxers who die daily due to Covid and praise their smart decision! No worries about vaccine ever! Very genius!
Oh don't worry, millions more recovered from Covid-19, were asymptomatic, or never got infected anyway. I think we'll be fine.
Yeap... Millions recovered except for all the anti-vaxxers who died for the cause! Good riddance!
Nah millions of antivaxxers also recovered. Gave us natural immunity and gave them resolved determination not to inject themselves with an experimental vaccine. We're cool. You must be referring to the mostly elderly people who had underlying health problems.
We've people who died at every age. Old people the most... But they could've lived many years more if they took the vaccine. Now they're dead thanks to their brain. Bravo!
Compared to the number of people that one sick nurse will kill, it's not even comparable.
The vaccine does stop transmission. Also sanitation doesn’t do much of anything. Covid doesn’t spread over surfaces, it spreads through the air.
The article I posted above literally says transmissions are still possible even after vaccination.
What have we been wearing masks for for the past one year? Don't doctors and hospital staff wear masks?
That article is a couple of months old. Also the original studies weren’t designed to answer the question of whether or not vaccines reduced transmission. So public health experts were erring on the side of caution by telling people to continue to wear masks.
We’ve been wearing masks for the past year because nobody was vaccinated. Now that people are getting vaccinated the CDC and most state governments are saying vaccinated folks no longer need to worry about masks in most circumstances.
Doctors and hospital staff have always worn masks to some degree because they are effective in preventing the spread of airborne disease.
As a common sense point, vaccines make people much less likely to get ill from Covid, which means people won’t be coughing as much, which means they won’t be spreading the virus as much (since that is exactly how this virus is spread).
It's still possible but it's less possible, much less possible. People still die in cars with airbags about seatbelts. That does not mean they don't work.
Conversely since seatbelts stop some deaths it does not mean airbags+seatbelts are not helpful.
It's kinda like saying, oh I didn't eat for a day and didn't loose weight so dieting doesn't work.
Last two paragraphs of the article. Did you read it?
"Uhh, it seems the vaccine might be causing heart issues in patients but until we're sure keep taking it"
Sounds like good advice.
Even if the worst case scenarios for heart issues are true, that brings the odds of being affected in that way to 0.00027%. Your odds of dying from covid are almost 1000x higher.
CDC is looking into that right now. But they’re still vaccinating young people while they do that.
Sure... Not taking the vaccine may kill you or you'll suffer from chronic health issues after recovering from it.
Not only that, you can go around and infect others, potentially killing them.
We still got hundreds to thousand death a day in the US and guess who they are? Anti-vaxxers or vaxxers?
Exactly. A month after my brother recovered from covid he had trouble walking a block. One block. Our destination was about 3 blocks away. We stopped to rest several times. It was scary.
I don't know if my sister inlaw has recovered her sense of smell yet. Even after 2 months of recovery it wasn't back.
Mostly just people with underlying health problems, covid antivaxxers are perfectly fine. Don't forget to take your "booster" shots this year and next.
Yeah... Blame existing health problems. There are plenty healthy people who died and funny how with health problems,they could've live many years to come instead of living under ground for eternity. Very genius indeed!
I never understand this, the only people non vaccinated people are hurting are themselves. I'm waiting because I'd rather have a 73yr old grandma on the fence about getting it get it over me. And I want to see how it reacts to different strains so I don't have to get seven different shots.
> the only people non vaccinated people are hurting are themselves.
that's just patently untrue. unvaccinated people are a vector for transmission to keep the pandemic going strong, including increasing the probability of mutations that could be both more transmissible as well as more lethal.
Yeah but how does that matter if your immune to the virus. Shouldn't it just kill off the people unvaccinated ?
There's no such thing as 100% immunity to the virus. And, even if there was, that's only a valid argument if 100% of the population that wants to get vaccinated is vaccinated (or would want to be if the options were sufficiently explained to them). There is a cornucopia of reasons that people who want to be vaccinated aren't yet. (age restrictions, access, mobility, health, poverty, education, etc). Not to mention that outside of the US, most of the world isn't yet vaccinated because of lack of access and no other reason. Are people that don't get vaccinated going to indefinitely suspend all of their international travel so as not to hurt others? Of course not.
Also, among immunocompromised people, getting fully vaccinated only provides limited immunity. They can still get seriously ill.
Yeah but some people like cancer patients can't get the vaccine so its out duty to protect the most vulnerable in our society from dying when they otherwise might not
So far we've enough data to conclude that the vaccine is effective against all known variants and your grandma is in the high risk category due to age. There's absolutely no reason for her to be hesitant about it.
My grandma is vaccinated. And she was due to her being illergic to iodine which is the reason I think she couldnt get Pfizer? I believe it was Pfizer she couldn't get.
the underlying thing that's alarming to me is that these are people that work in the medical field, you'd think they'd be smarter about something medical related.
the thing that makes me not be surprised is that it happened in texas.
Yes they are smart to be careful
>Overall, 226 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis after vaccination in people younger than age 30 have been confirmed, Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office, said during a presentation to a Food and Drug Administration advisory group. Further investigation is needed, however, to confirm whether the vaccination was the cause of the heart problem.
Normally, fewer than 100 cases would be expected for this age group.
Oh no - after hundreds of thousands of doses administered in the affected age group, we have an extra 125-150 cases of something that goes away with no medical intervention...
>The CDC had information on the recovery of patients in 220 cases; **in more than 80 percent of these cases, patients got better on their own.**
I wonder if this has the experts worried....
>Vaccine safety experts are always on the lookout for a range of possible side effects following any new vaccine. **Despite the increased number of reported myocarditis cases among young people, Shimabukuro said, no major red flags have been identified.**
Still, the higher-than-normal incidence is worthy of further scrutiny. The CDC will hold a meeting of its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices on June 18 to further look at the evidence and assess the risk of myocarditis following vaccination.
Until definitive links are made, health officials **overwhelmingly recommend** Covid-19 vaccinations for everyone ages 12 and older.
But hey... you do you.
Lol you linked a reputable source and get downvoted. Typical reddit
Only because someone provides a source doesn't mean the source is correct or can be used as an argument. In this case the linked source seems well written but works against his argument. It basically says: There is a very very very small risk which has an even smaller risk that it needs to be treated. Hillariously small if you'd ask me.
There are tens of millions of absolutely bogus papers floating around.
We also have evidence that the vaccine is 95% effective at preventing infection or death.
So the hundreds to thousand of daily deaths due to Covid now are mostly those smart people. Praise them for their very stable genius brain! They'll never have to worry about vaccines ever again!
You must have us mistaken with those dying from underlying health problems and conflated with covid numbers. Covid Antivaxxers have never been healthier. Remember to keep taking your Covid-19 booster shots every year, lord knows you're going to need it for whatever you've been injected with
Sure... I'm gonna take the boosters when needed, same as I take my flu shot every year. Anti-vaxxers with or without health problems are free to die. Good riddance.
Lol vaccines don't grant you immortality son. You're most likely gonna die of something else before millions of antivaxxers do. Antivaxxers will always be here long after you're gone. Now that's gonna be a hell of a good riddance.