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The #1 pre-existing condition

The #1 pre-existing condition

Gay99999

Listen here fat


Banzaiboy262

Truly his Gettysburg.


Narcan9

I work in healthcare and see it everyday. Obesity is a "pre-existing condition" for pretty much everything, AKA a risk factor. Joint problems and arthritis directly related to the extra weight. Causes high blood pressure leading to heart disease. Causes diabetes leading to stroke or kidney disease. I consider diabetes the second most dangerous risk factor after smoking, and it begins with obesity.


n3cr0ph4g1st

Cancer too right...


Teuton89

Unequivocally yes: https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/obesity/index.htm


Osprey_NE

It seems like the majority of Healthcare workers are obese too


chefwithpants

Majority of Americans. Doesn’t matter where they work, they still eat for 3


Narcan9

Nice dig. Tends to correlate with lower education and income. So bottom of the totem like health aides and nursing assistants have more obesity. Less so as you move up to doctors. Ironically law enforcement is rather obese but food workers are much less so. Guessing the later is due to a younger age group.


weaponizedstupidity

If you consider junk food a drug of abuse it makes sense in two ways. 1) Crappy/abusive childhoods lead people to turn to food for comfort early and limit their opportunities in life. 2) Food is the best entertainment for adults with low paying jobs in the context of high inequality.


Narcan9

Yes, add in the fact that junk foods are cheaper than unprocessed ones. We subsidize corn which makes high fructose cheap. \*Here's a fun tie-in. When we do simple procedures on neonates, we often don't use painkillers. We just give them sugar water. They call it "sweeties". Think about the advertising as these people watch TV on their sofa. How many commercials do you see for apples vs snickers? Raw lean chicken vs McDonalds? It's capitalism at its best.


free2game

It's more about portion control. When I started keto my daily caloric intake dropped a lot and I'm pretty comfortable eating 1600 calories a day or even less now. Sugar is pretty bad though, it's all empty calories and how a lot of people go over their calorie budget.


flugenblar

Americans are fat, by and large (pun intended). If you think antivaxx sentiment is strong, just try and force our population to diet and exercise!


outsidenorms

I’ve been saying it from the start man. Why aren’t we telling people to exercise and take vitamin d! - joe rogan But really, America is fat af and telling people to diet is worse than telling people to take a vaccine. That’s for sure. Could you imagine the rage?


Narcan9

People are willing to exercise if you just put it in pill form and make it taste like cupcakes.


outsidenorms

Put the vaccine in Diet Coke and we’d be good.


amuricanswede

How dare you body shame me! - America 2020s


peterlunstrum

True, I think we would have to start regulating our food industry ingredients, food industry advertising and food industry subsidies(corn, beef,) a bit if we wanted to make a difference, although Dr's that hand out pills instead of doing actual medical work doesn't help either.


Tomcat_Vyvanse

If you want a surprise, check out the obesity rates in western europe. They shit on Americans for being fat pieces of shit while packing mack truck dumpers themselves.


outsidenorms

Is that new? I thought they were all lean and fit.


Remedy9898

Nah. Theyve been fat for a while but its been getting a lot worse.


glemmstengal

it makes perfect logical sense that COVID19 would affect overweight people more as it is a virus that fucks with your respiratory system which is tied to your cardiovascular system and aside from that we all know the bigger you are the more taxed your respiratory system is in the first place if you're a biggun you really should not be hesitant


Paulitical

It’s a vascular disease above all else. Fucks with your vascular system on a lot of different levels including your lungs. Which to reiterate your point, makes sense that obesity, and the conditions that it causes like diabetes and hypertension result in worse COVID outcomes.


Zormm

I had covid and it didn’t effect my respiratory system at all. Like literally at all. I had the worst migraines, fatigue for 2 days. Slept for most of it and I was on my feet again as normal.


chochinator

My fat ass cousin has had covid for a week straight fuckin sounds like he dying.


saggy_potato_sack

We wish him well.


iFuzzyy

Slammin’ intro


chochinator

Update he got sent to hospital today... Get the vaccine. If I took 12 shots for "anthrax" and lived motherfuckers can take 2 shots.


High_speedchase

This is actually the wrong take. It fucks with your vascular system first and foremost. We just see the effects it has on the lungs the most because that's where a lot of fine vascularity is. If we'd started this whole thing by saying "hey, Covid sheers your veins" we might have more compliance and less death.


GiddiOne

Spelling mistakes aside, cases vs deaths isn't a good metric. Recoveries vs deaths is. The reason is that the cases haven't resolved into 1 of the 2 possible outcomes. Vietnam is only just being hit with a first wave now. 90% of their cases are in the [past month](https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/vietnam). So we don't know what the impact is yet. Overall correlation =/= causation, [usafacts.org](https://usafacts.org) doesn't make any of the claimed connections. Obesity is certainly a high risk for declining health, including COVID.


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Pandita_Faced

yup. i know 3 people who got it and were not hospitalized. this was back when it was still "new."


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There are probably millions of people who were infected and never even knew


OuttaTime42069

Tons of people I knew were sick around January of 2020 with symptoms that now obviously look like textbook Covid. We have no idea how many cases and recoveries there were, and there is a similar problem with accounting actual Covid deaths.


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I remember when idiots on here were spouting off about covid deaths being way overcounted and that most people actually died of something else instead. If anything, covid deaths have been way undercounted judging by overall all cause mortality rates. I just heard a report from the bbc interviewing a doctor in India who claims their actual covid deaths count is probably over 10 times the official count.


OuttaTime42069

Well we have no idea, really. We just know the current count is probably off. Deaths are easier than infections because you have a dead body in the end. And we do know some deaths were labeled as Covid even though they clearly were not. None of the data is good because our collection methods are shit.


Han-Shot_1st

Get an antibody test?


Dom_Alt

Add 7 members from my family to that list, nobody hospitalized, not even my 88 & 81 year old grandparents.


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Dom_Alt

I hope! But my 88yo Pap isn't my actual grandfather, he died in the late 60's and she re-married in the 70's. Actual grandfather died at age 34 due to a heart attack (smoked, obese, didn't eat well, all the same shit I do 😬😂). 3/6 remaining have had cancer in the last decade. Nobody's health is permanent! Live every day the best you can!


GiddiOne

True. You can only really be 100% sure of the metrics in places where all covid infections are traced down. Like Aus or NZ for example.


John_T_Conover

Very true. In the absence of that though you work with as much data as you can get, even if it's likely woefully lacking. You can at least guesstimate based on tests available and how many are testing positive, even if it's not enough and obviously many asymptomatic people are not getting tested or even aware they need to. Not saying guesstimates should be reported publicly as official data, but it's stuff to use as a rough baseline to try to address outbreaks and government reactions.


Hickenlooper2020

Is “recoveries” only on “got out of the hospital” or is it “tested positive and didn’t die”? Genuinely asking because if it’s the former, “people who got covid and had mild symptoms and never went to the hospital” would still count as recovered


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Hickenlooper2020

The only way you’d know if your roommate got it would be if they got tested positive, and since they didn’t die they’d be marked as recovered. Also, just because you lived in a house with somebody who had covid means you got it? What? So if anybody in a house got covid, the whole house automatically got it too? I tried a couple of beers with a buddy of mine who stayed at my place over from Wednesday to Sunday in September who ended up feeling bad that Sunday night, got tested Monday and was positive. I got tested twice in the next two weeks and was negative. Just because you were potentially exposed to the virus doesn’t mean you for sure got it and should count as a recovery


HyerOneNA

My GF and I assume she got it in January of 2020, before anyone had any idea it was in the US. I believe the common assumption now i that we had it in the US in Nov 2019.


peterlunstrum

4th wave, but that makes sense, because whenever someone attacks grammar first, it means they don't have a good argument. https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-should-plan-ahead-as-new-covid-situation-deteriorates-who-4328947.html


Rimm

> whenever someone attacks grammar first If it is in a comment that is one thing. But you compiled a set of information specifically to lay it out as an easily digestible image. It's pretty indicative of the level of intellectual rigor and care you applied when a single picture contains multiple spelling and grammatical errors. Almost like it's from a person who isn't interested in trying too hard to understand the full scope of the issue.


GiddiOne

>4th wave, They have had 106k total cases. 91k have been in the past month. If we want to pretend the previous outbreaks matter? Cool. >it means they don't have a good argument. Almost all of their cases haven't resolved into the 2 possible outcomes. USA's have. You were hoping people wouldn't actually look at the data and you were wrong.


Most_Present_6577

spelling is not grammar


peterlunstrum

There is a little more info there than just cases vs death, but make of it what you will :)


wolf8808

Epidemiologist here. He's right, the data is indeed misleading. You need recovery data for the reasons he mentioned above. Besides, you can't just compare Vietman and US without a lot of caveats (reporting, testing %, etc). Just throwing summaries around is not useful.


GiddiOne

The resulting deaths is the basis your point is built on. Not pointing out that the death number is so low is because the cases are recent (and not resolved) is very misleading don't you think?


swervy123

Friendly reminder that when Michelle Obama suggested people eat healthier and tried to institute stricter nutrition standards in schools conservatives made it a culture war issue


Snack_on_my_Flapjack

Let's face it, suggesting Americans consider a healthier diet is like throwing a pebble at a freight train.


BunnyLovr

You can indoctrinate kids in school against obesity and force them to eat healthier if half their meals are in school. It worked for smoking.


John_T_Conover

Oh hell no. A freight train would keep going sure, but it also would be indifferent. It would be like walking too close to a mother goose nest. They'll waddle after you squawking and never shut the fuck up. I just don't get how people get that out of control. I'm an American that often eats terribly greasy food, drinks too much, doesn't get enough sleep...but I just workout regularly and am in great shape. I get that genetics can be a lottery...but if you really just stick to like 1 or 2 of the 5ish things you need to do or just marginally half ass all of them you won't get obese. You probably won't even get overweight.


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Genetics rarely has anything to do with obesity, or even heart disease. Before modern diets heart disease was almost an unknown in both hunter-gatherer and pre-industrial sedentary populations.


Tomcat_Vyvanse

That was well and good but the issue of obesity should be dealt with at a level much higher than the office of the first lady. It's a national security issue, a climate issue, and a health care issue. And it is so easily preventable. Just eat less.


forgottencalipers

"Just eat less" This is like asking a opioid addict to just not be addicted.


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forgottencalipers

Simple Brought to you by the Jordan Peterson school of pull yourself up by your bootstraps (just go into a medically induced coma in Russia)


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forgottencalipers

Yeah and depressed people should just stop being sad. And people with cancer should just stop having cancer.


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bloodycups

Lol I can't Congress did that. Than fox news tricked a bunch of boomers into thinking it was her


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exzachary

nevermind the fact that black people are the most unhealthy eaters in America.


John_T_Conover

Poor people and specifically poor people that live in food deserts are the most unhealthy eaters. That disproportionately affects black people because they disproportionately are poor people in the south. DC is the far more black than any state in the country and it's tied with Colorado for lowest obesity rate. People make poor food choices and are obese when they're poor, don't have a lot of options, don't have much education and don't have much institutional or cultural support for it. Interesting enough obesity rates show a pretty strong correlation with red and blue states. The worst ten are overwhelmingly deep red states and almost the entire bottom half are red. The top half is mostly blue and the top 10 are strongly blue. There's a few very interesting and odd exceptions but it tracks for the vast majority.


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vicpeters12

Or how about someone who no one elected or asked for her opinion nosing her way into something she knows little about.


subliminal_trip

Every First Lady has a pet cause. Hers was nutrition. She was in very good shape, physically, as was (and is) her husband, so maybe she does know a little bit about nutrition, in addition to having unusual access to persons who know a lot about nutrition.


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WillingNeedleworker2

Exactly, she could get the leading 100 experts on any topic into any room she wanted.


Dick_chopper

Do you know when this first lady pet cause thing started?


Marijuana_Miler

Here’s a list of First Ladies and their causes or impact. https://www.thestreet.com/politics/first-ladies-of-the-united-states-and-their-causes-html The role has really grown since Eleanor Rosevelt. She did a lot of work on behalf of FDR in the background. Lady Bird Johnson was the first to campaign separate from her husband. I believe Nancy Regan was the first that really tried to use the role to campaign nationally for change, and Melania Trump was the first to show her tits.


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vicpeters12

Nope, that's not what I implied or said. Was she elected? Was she even a bureaucrat? No. She was the wife of someone elected POTUS. I can't imagine that gives her the right to interject herself into whatever pet cause she wants to take up. She's not a nutritionist. She's a lawyer lol. Her opinion on other people's health is irrelevant.


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PFhelpmePlan

> She's not a nutritionist. She's a lawyer lol. Her opinion on other people's health is irrelevant. Ah, the shut up and dribble tactic. If you're not literally THE subject matter expert of all experts, then you're not allowed to speak about it or do anything. Unless of course, you're someone that I agree with politically, then you're allowed to.


WillingNeedleworker2

We get it, you've seen the bill burr bit with 100 million views. Original. Nothing she said was wrong, it's childish to get mad about it.


WillingNeedleworker2

You sound a bit salty about it, weird. Thats not very healthy, you should eat less of that and more vegetables. It'll help with all the inflammation in your brain.


charge-

She didn’t suggest. She literally influenced and called for regulations that made school lunches noticeably worse. For example, at my school all bread had to be whole wheat and we had to get 2 servings of fruits and veggies a day. We weren’t allow to go through the lunch line without taking 2 fruits/vegetables. I’d see endless amounts of my classmates take 2 apples then immediately throw them away. The food went from tasting good and giving us enough energy to tasting like shit and half of it being thrown away.


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As opposed to the balanced grandma pizza and a carton of chocolate milk.


SW33PERkon

School lunches are bullshit now in some areas of the country. They barely cook.


bhollis6895

I was all about being healthier till they replaced all the cokes with diet variants in the vending machines. Fuck a Diet Coke.


random_boss

Eh give it time and you adapt. I’m not dieting anymore but I still can’t take the taste of regular coke


bruinsra1

Listen if you are at the point where you need diet soda, just stop drinking soda. Diet soda can be worse for you than regular soda.


random_boss

Yeah it kind of boggles my mind how this heavily debunked theory continues to make the rounds.


bhollis6895

I drink neither nowadays. Both are very bad for you but high school me was furious!!


VinylJones

Aside from this being a shitty “info graphic”, the data doesn’t matter. It’s not changing behavior and it’s not changing policy, all it does is make dorks argue about it on Reddit. We’ve known that fat=bad if you get Covid since this whole shitshow started, nobody seems to care anymore.


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peterlunstrum

That sounds like a pretty black and white theory, but my guess is you've never traveled to Vietnam or maybe even looked at a map of Vietnam, but if you had you might of noticed that the border of Vietnam is mostly mountains and jungles and is not highly secured in many areas. Vietnam also shares a border with Laos, Cambodia and China. Even if you think that border was secured, its ridiculous to think that in a developing nation with a large a mount of poverty, with a population of a 100,000,000 and a population density almost 3 times that of America, border control was the only thing that kept covid numbers low.


benpuljak

great that you used vietnam as an example here. obesity rates in india are below 10% and they have been fucked up by covid even more than usa


peterlunstrum

Well, considering India has a population that's more than 4 times greater then America, with a population density that's more than 12 times that of America, I think your math is off a bit. India's covid numbers have never reached that of Americas, even though the test numbers could be off a bit, but if were actually having it worse than America, they would be looking at 130 million cases. Most Asian countries are very slim, take Japan for example, they have the oldest population in the world and a few of the most densely populated cities, but not even close to Americas covid count. Not to mention India's healthcare system is mostly that of a developing nation.


benpuljak

exactly, so you've just proven my point. obesity is not the largest contributing factor of covid infections and deaths


peterlunstrum

I disagree, but hey, math isn't for everyone!


TheSweetestKill

What is the cultural attitude towards covid mitigation in Vietnam? Wearing masks, social distancing, vaccine denial, etc.? The US seems to be uniquely anti-social when it comes to doing the bare minimum, like wearing masks.


beauchywhite

I was in Vietnam for over a month at the end of 2019. Lots of people there were already wearing masks on the daily before Covid happend.


StepHorror9649

Air Polution is rough, i was there in Sept 2019


sunburn95

Its always been a pretty asian thing to do to wear a mask when you have any cold/flu symptoms


StepHorror9649

Yep so you don't spread your own germs


scalesoverskin

Here in Vietnam wearing masks was the norm for a lot of people pre-pandemic. Motorbikes are our main form of transport, so avoiding direct fumes, and people are not big fans of sun exposure. Social distancing is being encouraged since the start of the pandemic, but most people aren't very good at that. Society is structured with 2-3 generations living together being the norm and people are a lot more social than in the west (i.e., way less people do things alone here), so social distancing is hard to implement Antivax sentiment seems to be very low. The gov is promoting vaccines and actively fighting against any opposing views on social media with prosecution for spreading misinformation


revbfc

Some of us Americans seem to feel that spreading communicable diseases is a 1A right. It’s not, but that’s the hill they literally want to die on.


Bird767

Vietnam doesn't have the same number of anti-vax, anti-science people that the usa has. Nor does it have a political party working to prolong the pandemic to own the libs. So they're generally erring on the side of caution in those behaviors.


MantisTmd_

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/01/vietnam-miracle-escape-covid-may-natural-immunity/ Natural immunity. They didn’t have any restrictions really.


forgottencalipers

Just like India was touted up until March of this year.


Huegod

I feel personally attacked, and hungry.


abstract__art

This is what happens when obesity is celebrated. At times even fitness is ridiculed in America. A standard catering meal for office is some sandwiches all with mandatory slathering of Mayo, large bags of chips, cookies, and 3/4 drinks are regular Coke. So the typical meal is like ~5% calories to protein and 70-80% in carbs. Lizzo and body positivity are things. Ever get in the elevator with some fatass? They always seem to sound like they are suffocating.


WillTateGOAT

The catering thing is true. I worked for a company that had offices in the US and Netherlands. The lunch catering for the US was a feast while the Netherlands seemed meager. There was no soda in the Netherlands, it was water and milk. There should be a middle ground between celebrating being fat and bullying fat people. It should be something where everyone is honest that it is unhealthy but not okay to treat fat people like shit. Especially with so much driven by genetics, wealth/education, and how you were raised by your parents.


ChicagoModsUseless

Fitness is ridiculed? Lmao, America was pretty much the birthplace of modern fitness/gym culture.


MrJsmanan

Yea 40 years ago. Nowadays companies get bitched at for using a fit model


TriceratopsArentReal

Do you live under a rock? Fitness and dieting is the devil to a lot of people. Fat Demi Lovato tried to cancel a frozen yogurt store because they sold healthier cookies.


ghostofdevinbrown

Think commercialization of food is the problem. Last time you saw a commercial for fruits or veggies? Think those commercials for pistachios with Colbert few years ago was the last food commercial I have seen that wasn’t trying to sell you dog shit


JamieD86

As has been pointed out by others, the bulk of Vietnam's COVID cases have been reported in the past month, so this comparison already has that flaw. There are other factors at play too between countries. One, for example, is the number of people who can be expected to survive in a country with illness that makes them susceptible to COVID-19. So for example, why did the United Kingdom have so many deaths? It has the combination of an ageing population (life expectancy of ~82), advanced healthcare allowing people to survive with cancer and other serious illness, a lot of densely populated regions and also a lot of long term care facilities in which most of the residents are very aged and in decline. So when COVID-19 hits, the UK is primed for a high death toll from the get go. Ironically, a high death toll was a side effect of good health and social care in a lot of cases, with obvious exceptions based on different mitigation methods (new Zealand for example). Its hard to compare for the US because there's huge differences in healthcare between states, and a huge place compared to the UK, the vast majority of which is one island. The stats I saw on covid mortality being linked with obesity in the US as far as I remember included "overweight and/or obese". That's significant because that's like 70% or something of the adult population. So that tells you that yes the overweight / obese are overrepresented in deaths but probably not as much as some people like Joe Rogan think. The % is a lot closer to the representative percentage of the population. What is clear is that the chances of dying from COVID increase with age. The older you are, the higher the risk across all groups. That's why it annoys me when Joe repeats the stat which was something like " people who died from COVID had an average of 2.4 comorbidities" or something like that. Ye because they are mostly old people, who have the common illnesses of ageing and those are counted as a comorbidity. The real threat is that older people don't have the immune systems of younger people. They can't mount a similar response as a 20 year old can to a novel virus they have never encountered before. That's another decline of age. Joe, for example, would be better off with the immune system of a 25 year old with a pot belly, than his own despite his obsession with supplements. It just is what it is we decline with age at a cellular level.


tiny_tim57

I don't know if I trust those stats from Vietnam. The problem is every country collects the stats differently so it's hard to make a reliable comparison.


chefanubis

You need statistics to prove to you being obese affects your resistance to illneses, recovery and general health?


tiny_tim57

No, I never said that. The way countries collect statistics on covid infections and covid deaths seems to drastically differ so it's hard to compare the stats from country to country.


WillTateGOAT

Way to miss the point


Otherwise-Fox-2482

When will you bird brains understand that obesity, cancer, car crashes and what ever false equivalence is not the same as a virus spread by airborne droplets! You wont become obese by sitting in the same subway car as someone. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?? Also Covid deaths will be ADDING EXTRA DEATH numbers to the death numbers of Obesity. Whats wrong with you people? How hard is it to understand this simple concept? LOL


Couple2423

Problem is obestiy means youre more sick, therefore more infectious for a longer period of time, therefore more likely to be hospitalised, therefore more likely to put healthcare workers at risk, also more likely to die. Huge strains on healthcare everyyear are due to obesity and associated illness. Here is Australia we have had an increase in overall deaths currently up 10%on average. Due to lockdowns, we havent had covid here in large numbers, so you cant blame that.


nieud

Even if someone wanted to say the solution was to get obese people to a healthy weight to lower their risk, that would take months to do.


maroongoldfish

I remember something someone said in that Super Size Me doc that I never forgot. “Nothing will change till we can talk to fat people the way we talk to smokers: Hey why are you still fat? Don’t you know it’s terrible for you? Why don’t you try and seek help?”


DismalEconomics

I'm 99% sure that Rogan classifies as obese. There are actually 3 technical categories of "Obese" *( level 2,3 sometimes referred to as severe, morbidly obese )* The cutoff to classify for "Class 1 Obesity" isn't really ridiculously heavy; Obesity = BMI = 30 ( or more ) 6 ft tall = 221 lbs 5ft 11 = 215lbs 5ft 10 = 209lbs 5ft 9 = 203lbs 5ft 8 = 197lbs 5ft 7 = 191lbs 5ft 6 = 186lbs


Makuson04

I came here to see some fuckin mud flaps


CraftBeerToolBandAz

Obesity is a major risk factor for just about everything. This is a blatant cop out and lazy research (if they did any). Source, I’m an ICU nurse that sees this shit everyday. Covid doesn’t only affect fat people.


meerjat

I always trust sources of information with spelling mistakes. It shows that they pay close attention to the details.


Qbek-san

Vietnam and USA are vastly different countries and many other variables than obesity might explain this, like the median age, infection rate, healthcare system etc. Too quick jump to conclusions


Hourglass420

I don't think the "We should just let obese people die" arguement is as strong as you think it is.


mccaigbro69

I haven’t seen anyone making this argument. In my experience, It’s been more so that many people, especially on social media, have normalized ‘fat shaming’ and that being obese is fine and not a huge detriment to one’s quality of life. A lot of the same people also scream ‘Trust the science!’ and criticize others that are healthy individuals who do not see Covid as a risk to them. Just seems hypocritical. If there are people saying fat people should die that would be moronic.


C3POsCAT

> have normalized ‘fat shaming’ and that being obese is fine Why would the people who think being fat is fine normalize bullying fat people? Besides the amount of people who think being obese is healthy is miniscule.


mccaigbro69

I meant that there has a been a successful movement to silence any criticism for overweight individuals across social media. Apologies regarding how I wrote that.


C3POsCAT

Bullying fat people is counter productive to weightloss.


PanthraxIV

I don't think he's advocating for bullying. As an ex fat person myself, nothing was worse than when other people tried to normalize my size. Its enabling and makes it genuinely harder to lose weight. Feeling like shit is quite literally the only thing that changed my mindset and forced me to make the necessary changes. Being called a fatass in high-school sucked but it was true. The fattest people I've ever associated with were in a very serious state of denial. They knew they were fat, but they had absolutely no idea why. They had been surrounded by enablers who refused to tell someone that they needed to make changes and instead encouraged them to not change a thing. Its those types of enablers that convinced these people that either they can't change anything or that there is nothing for them to change at all. Bullying isn't the way to go, but honesty is. A lot of people struggle to see the difference when that honesty is aimed at them. There will always be bullys there to call them names but they need to stop using that as an excuse to change nothing.


mccaigbro69

Depends on your personality and mindset. I was once relatively obese and one individual in my friend group started texting ‘You are a fat piece of shit’ every morning to another friend and myself until we lost weight and hit a weight goal we set. We have both kept it off. ‘Bullying’ will obviously not work for many, but it isn’t useless.


ARR3223

It may/may not be counter productive to weight loss for THAT individual, but it doesn't encourage others to continue their unhealthy lifestyles. "Fat acceptance" encourages others to be unhealthy and not make the necessary changes in their lives by convincing them that they can be still be "healthy" even if they're obese. I'm by no means advocating for bullying, but if I have to choose between the two then I'll take hurting one person's feelings over brainwashing a generation of young people to think that being obese is ok.


C3POsCAT

There's a middle ground between bullying people online and debunking fat acceptance nonsense.


ARR3223

Of course! Negativity and shaming does not usually get people to change their behavior (ex: Dems shaming unvaxxed to get their shots), but at some point we need to put feelings aside and deal with the harsh reality of the obesity epidemic in this country. Obesity needs to be looked at like smoking. While someone has the right to do whatever they want to their body, both things will result in terrible health complications over time and are for the most part are entirely a personal choice, no one is forcing them to smoke/be obese. I'm sorry if it hurts peoples' feelings but when each successive generation is becoming fatter and unhealthier, we need to push back hard against people promoting "fat acceptance". Imagine if someone was on social media showing themselves smoking all day and telling others that smoking is "healthy"? They'd be trashed for it, yet for some reason there's a push to basically make fat people an identity and protected class. How do you think we should combat this issue?


tirinis3798

Population is way higher than that. More like 390. Among the other fudged numbers on this post.


dutchy_style_K1

This is a pretty classic case of using stats to paint a false narrative. Obesity is bad and needs to be dealt with 100%. But this is also out of context stats.


PoliticalKin

Any government agency that involves health informs the public how to eat properly.


Mrfrodo1010

It's fucking crazy that joe thinks the US doesn't have guidelines on how to eat, sleep, and exercise...


perkaderka

Asinine that this conversation is not being brought up EVERYWHERE along with the discussion of why the government hasn’t said anything about lifestyle , diet , nutrition , exercise ,etc. but wil encourage folks to not even leave their fucking apartments and just wait for vaccine. Truly mind fucking.


ChicagoModsUseless

It has been brought up all over, you weren’t paying attention.


perkaderka

did you read the part where i said \*GOVERNMENT\* saying anything about these things? cause they have done less than shit on that account, buddy. sure Joe and some other with a brain have, but most useless drones don't listen to him and prefer uncle sam's retarded recommendations


Bird767

Michelle Obama focused on nutrition and being healthy and conservatives turned it into a culture war issue


covigilant-19

The government has said plenty about diet, nutrition, exercise etc. Do you need some state worker to come smack the Doritos out of your hands?


Tomcat_Vyvanse

Unfortunately, doing something about it will cost a lot of people a lot of money. There's your answer and until the average skinny person spends more yearly than the average obese person, we won't see any change.


Chickenflocker

According to NYT 7/26/21 the entire US had 273 daily deaths with a seven day average of 275 on a population of 330 million. All the libs have been praying for deaths and aren’t getting it with delta. Expect more obfuscating reporting of that fact from the media


andonemoreagain

I am to the left of Noam Chomsky and I follow this measurement and almost no other. Locally and nationally. The response to COVID-19 in the United States is an unmitigated clusterfuck from almost any political perspective whatsoever. Incoherent, counterproductive, and just fucking embarrassing.


bumblethrowaway95

Deaths lag cases. Wait a few weeks Edit: not praying for deaths. Just stating facts. Down vote all you want, this has been the case alllllll covid.


wigglex5plusyeah

Is it or isn't it anti-vax propaganda? (Clarified in red) lol


d00ns

Even without covid, obesity kills 650k Americans every year. Where's the shutdown for that?


TheSweetestKill

You're trolling, but I agree, we need to take radical steps to stem the obesity epidemic in the US. Obesity, like COVID, persists because of a cultural mindset of "nobody is going to tell me what to do with my life", and obesity in particular is affected by the for-profit food industry.


WhoAreWeEven

If people cant cope with piece of paper on their face at groceries, how on earth they are going to work on losing weight lol


d00ns

I'm not trolling. People are dumb and fat. They shut down the country and ruined people's like to save 500k but do nothing for the 650k that die from obesity, not.to mention 80% of the 500k that died from covid were fat to begin with.


GiddiOne

Really? We're doing this again? What's the R0 of obesity? Oh it's 0. What's the R0 of delta? Oh it's 5-8.


rufus_dallmann

Deaths only matter when there's an r0?


GiddiOne

Nope, lockdowns reduce spread. Spread is determined by R0. Anything else I can help with?


MiltOnTilt

Are you this fucking stupid?


PFhelpmePlan

Can I catch obesity and heart disease from being breathed on?


Tomcat_Vyvanse

Hmm is drunk driving a virus? Nope? Guess we shouldnt do anything to stop it then.


PFhelpmePlan

How braindead are you? If I'm obese and have heart disease, can that kill my neighbor like myself drunk driving could kill my neighbor? How are you unable to grasp this basic concept.


Tomcat_Vyvanse

Of course I'm braindead. I'm posting on a joe rogan themed message board. The fact is obeisty is a way bigger threat to the USA than covid. And it is why covid was such a problem in the first place. Our focus needs to be on preventing obeisty and not treating obesity's symptoms.


vashlion

Obesity isn’t a virus…


LuckyJoeH

Post more numbers, please!!! Those are cool


GiddiOne

Certainly! # Long covid/Post covid/PASC * 18.95% of asymptomatic people with COVID will have long COVID [Link](https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/asset/A%20Detailed%20Study%20of%20Patients%20with%20Long-Haul%20COVID--An%20Analysis%20of%20Private%20Healthcare%20Claims--A%20FAIR%20Health%20White%20Paper.pdf) * 30% of people diagnosed with symptomatic COVID will have long COVID [Link](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776560) * 49.98% of people hospitalised with COVID will get long COVID. [Link](https://s3.amazonaws.com/media2.fairhealth.org/whitepaper/asset/A%20Detailed%20Study%20of%20Patients%20with%20Long-Haul%20COVID--An%20Analysis%20of%20Private%20Healthcare%20Claims--A%20FAIR%20Health%20White%20Paper.pdf) The CDC recently had a study where they compared people recovering from COVID to those recovering from cancer. Those after cancer were much better off: [Link](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027a2.htm) |Metric|COVID|Cancer| |:-|:-|:-| |Poor general health|32.9%|25.4%| |Poor physical health|32.9%|25.4%| |Pain level >= 7|40.4%|24.8%| |Poor mental health impact|19.1%|15.3%| |Applied cognition difficulty|42.2%|41.2%| |Difficulty Navigating stairs|40.2%|18.3%| |Difficulty Walking 15 minutes|38.2%|25.2%| And that's just a small snipped of the problems. There are also a lot of health conditions that you are higher risk for like: * 13-41% of permanent cardiac injury among COVID hospitalised patients * 10x more likely to get blood clots from a COVID infection [Oxford Study](https://osf.io/a9jdq/) [Report Summary](https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/blood-clots-up-to-10-times-more-common-with-covid) * 33.62% of people will develop mental health problems within 6 months of a COVID infection [Link](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366%2821%2900084-5/fulltext) * Younger people are also at higher risk for multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS) [Link](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html) Long COVID has also been found to impact young people more. [This CDC advisory](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm) shows that asymptomatic young people are more likely to have lingering health problems.


GhostOfCadia

Being obese increases risk of death from everything….well….. except starving. Go. Get. Vaccinated.


Queefinonthehaters

I mean its no secret that fat people don't have good lungs but take Vietnam's success with a grain of salt. They have state controlled media and release only the information they want.


TheOneInTheHat

I currently live in Vietnam and the government has been very open with the cases and progress. They’ve framed it as a collective struggle to defeat COVID. The case counts are quite accurate as most of last year we didn’t have any lockdown because it was so well contained


Zormm

And America doesn’t ?


Abject_Dance4567

Oh come on. Be a good boy and believe everything the media tells you.


mrpopenfresh

We all know Americans are obese, no big insight here.


Ry_Tard_

The big insight is that government doesn't tell the people to exercise, eat healthier, lose weight to fight covid. Instead, no, it's take your vaccine and go get free donuts and beer and continue to be a fat fuck.


PFhelpmePlan

You're just regurgitating what Joe Rogan says without any critical thought. If the government tells people to exercise, eat healthier, and lose weight, 50% of people are still going to lose their minds because the government needs to stay out of their lives.


Ry_Tard_

Honestly I haven't even listened to JRE all covid. It's just common sense if he's saying it too. There's a difference between the government promoting something nd the government ordering something. Government can make recommendations all it wants, if a fat fuck wants to stay fat thats on them. It's the same with vaccines they can recommend it but if someone doesn't want it's that's fine too. That's freedom.


PFhelpmePlan

If it's common sense, why does the government need to promote it? The gov telling me to get my ass off the couch and go for a walk and eat a salad for a snack rather than doritos and a mountain dew doesn't help me not get covid today or tomorrow and have bad symptoms - sure, here in six months if I stick with it my health outcomes are probably going to be better. But nobody is making and sticking long term to a lifestyle change because the government recommended it.


Ry_Tard_

>If it's common sense, why does the government need to promote it? Lots of things are common sense that the government has promoted. Wearing seatbelts, not drinking too much, drinking and driving, gambling, unprotected sex. The list is endless. >The gov telling me to get my ass off the couch and go for a walk and eat a salad for a snack rather than doritos and a mountain dew doesn't help me not get covid today or tomorrow and have bad symptoms But it does. It reduces your risk of complications and chances of death. > - sure, here in six months if I stick with it my health outcomes are probably going to be better. Ah so you agree.. >But nobody is making and sticking long term to a lifestyle change because the government recommended it. Now you're dealing with absolutes. People most definitely listen to what the government has to say. Shit, dumb people still wear masks in empty subway carriages when they are the only ones because 'the government said so'. Lots of people make plenty of lifestyle changes based on what the government says. Is it everyone? No. But it's not no one either. There's nothing that is absolute.


mrpopenfresh

I feel like you're pretty off base here bud.


Ry_Tard_

How so? That's literally what's happened. I haven't heard the Fauci or anyone tell everyone to be healthier to fight covid. However I have seen them say that you should vaccinate and go claim your free donuts and beer.


limperschmit

If you are obese it is going to take literal years to drop your weight to the healthy range most likely. That is if you can actually stick with it for that long. It takes literal minutes to get vaccinated. Trying to fight a pandemic by telling people to lose 100+ pounds is not a great strategy. Telling people to get a shot that takes a minute and reduces the chances of dying and getting/passing it onto others is a much more effective strategy. It is not like obese people are just now figuring out "Oh you mean being 100lbs overweight is bad for me?". It is pretty common knowledge everywhere that being fat is bad for you in just about every aspect of health. That has been pretty well taught to everyone the past few decades. Saying the best strategy to fight a pandemic is to just sit back and tell fat people to lose weight is a terrible strategy. Most of our country is overweight/obese. They know it is bad for them, but we can't force them to eat better and exercise. The government also shouldn't just be like "Welp kill the fatties, we told them not to be fat". They should try and help them the best way they can and right now that is getting as many vaccinated as possible.


Ry_Tard_

>If you are obese it is going to take literal years to drop your weight to the healthy range most likely. That is if you can actually stick with it for that long. Covid is here forever. >It takes literal minutes to get vaccinated. Trying to fight a pandemic by telling people to lose 100+ pounds is not a great strategy. Telling people to get a shot that takes a minute and reduces the chances of dying and getting/passing it onto others is a much more effective strategy. You can both lose weight and be vaccinated. Crazy, I know. >It is not like obese people are just now figuring out "Oh you mean being 100lbs overweight is bad for me?". It is pretty common knowledge everywhere that being fat is bad for you in just about every aspect of health. That has been pretty well taught to everyone the past few decades. That maybe so, but a public health push to make people realize this would also help. It's been proven in the past. Enticing people to vaccinate with free donuts and Budweiser is dumb. > >Saying the best strategy to fight a pandemic is to just sit back and tell fat people to lose weight is a terrible strategy. That's not what I said. You're just making that up. >Most of our country is overweight/obese. They know it is bad for them, but we can't force them to eat better and exercise. Nobody said anything about forcing anyone to do anything.. You also can't force people to vaccinate. >The government also shouldn't just be like "Welp kill the fatties, we told them not to be fat". Nobody said that, what on earth are you even rambling about? >They should try and help them the best way they can and right now that is getting as many vaccinated as possible. This is wrong. Helping them would be pushing them to lose weight and to get them to vaccinate. You talk in absolutes and make assumptions that have nothing to do with what I said. I said that it's odd that the government hasn't once pushed healthy lifestyle choices during covid when we know that's a contributing factor to hospitalizations. You want to lower the burden on hospitals, no? You want to lower the death rate? No? You should be promoting healthy lifestyles via the government. Instead it's continue to be a fat fuck and lock yourself in the house, oh here's free donuts and beers with your vaccine to keep you morbidly obese.


TheSweetestKill

COVID is here forever, because people like yourself would rather type "COVID is here forever" online rather than, you know, take *any* steps to prevent it from being here forever. In true American fashion, we were never going to stop COVID, we just learned how to deal with it.


GoRangers5

>The big insight is that government doesn't tell the people to exercise, eat healthier, lose weight to fight covid. They know better, people knew being fat and inactive was shit for your health before 2020, lol


InTupacWeTrust

Obesity: the silent killer


Tomcat_Vyvanse

Silent but deadly


Safety_Sudden

With or without Covid, obesity is an epidemic and people aren’t doing enough about it. It’s literally a problem you can run away from. And we do nothing about it. One of the most preventable things. Crazy.


Callec254

Obesity increases your risk of, well, *pretty much everything*.


Bob_Loblaw16

68% are overweight or obese, 33% alone are obese.


forgottencalipers

There are so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start


MassiveVirgin

How come Vietnam has had so few cases? Terrible infrastructure maybe?


Ok_Fox_1770

EXCUSE ME..... Dont you mean Brave Heros 50%. - The people driving around alone windows up with masks.