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Magnetar89

$1+ per round still... but seems to be of decent quality


jagpilotohio

Why is 300 so expensive? Does anyone actually know? I think it would be a great urban home defense round but there’s no way I’d pay twice what 5.56 costs. Are the bullets themselves radically more expensive?


hdmibunny

Well for starters the brass is harder to come by than standard 223/5.56. Many people handload by trimming the cases of 5.56/223 instead of buying them outright. The primers can also be difficult to source. 223/5.56 uses small rifle primers. Which are plentiful. In fact there's an entire primer made specifically for 5.56. 300 blk put varies though. Sometimes you can use regular small rifle but sometimes you need small rifle magnum. Which is far harder to track down. The projectiles are also 2-3x heavier than the standard 55 grain, 62 grain or even the oddball 77 grain 223/5 55 bullets. Now take into consideration that there are far more manufactures producing 223/5.55 than there are 300 blk out. And the most desirable 300 blk out rounds are subsonic. Which is even more of a novelty than standard mil spec m193/855. So you add all these together and it starts to make more sense. Even with widespread adoption by the military I doubt 300 blk out will ever be commercially as cheap as 223/5.56. There's just too many variables that make it an issue.


jagpilotohio

Why is subsonic even more expensive? It’s it harder to make or more expensive to make?


hdmibunny

The projectiles are heavier (which requires more materials) and the primers/gun powder combinations are also specialty so that you can get the optimal burn rate. Which means they are pricy. The process isn't necessarily more difficult than standard high velocity but it requires time to change the tooling or devote an entire press just for it. If you really want a 300 blk out I would just pick up a 300 blk out upper and zero it with your HD ammo. Then you can swap back to your 5.56/223 and blast at the range.


jagpilotohio

But it’s a very slightly heavier bullet with a core of lead. Lead quantities that Tiny can’t cost more than a penny or two a round. I’ll have to try and find some more info about it later tonight. Interesting. Perhaps if I learned to reload it would make more sense.


LtPatterson

Even reloading isn't a great cost savings anymore on 300blk.


Jer_061

It's not the quantity of lead per round that drives up the cost of subsonic ammo, it's the volume of orders that don't drive it down as much as supers. If you notice, quite a few supers use ~140 grain rounds. That's because .308 uses the same projectile. Larger volume of manufacturing makes it so that bullet weight is more plentiful. .308 can also use ~120 grain weights, so that still applies. 220 grain is fairly uncommon for. 308, so not much of a demand. The .300 blackout community is likely not big enough to change the demand for manufacturing to alter the prices that much.


hdmibunny

So I'm using ammoseek.com to find these prices. The cheapest price for 220 grains (before factoring in shipping and taxes) is $.314/bullet For the powder measurement I'm using hodgdonreloading.com The average powder charge is like 11 grains. There are 7000 grains in a lb of gun powder. So a $45 (the new buy it now price for a single lb of powder right now) would come out to like 8 cents (rounding up) The primer is going to cost anywhere from $.08-$.15 So even if you save your brass and get multiple uses out of it you're still going to spend $.50-$.55 per round to handload them. You can obviously reduce the costs a little by buying powder in bulk and casting your own projectiles. But that's it's own added level of complexity. Lol


Mrbeercan

Still shooting Barnaul out of my suppressed PDW cause fuck a dollar a round, for .25 cents more I have match .308 for my bolt gun.


cdillon42

posting a price would be helpful


jollyroger647

$33 for 30 rds $600 for 600 rds Didn't dive into s/h + tax


MinutemanMunitions

The link takes you to the product and pricing, but I've also edited the original comment to include pricing. Hope that helps!


jagpilotohio

It’s a real shame 300 is so expensive. Why is that? Are the bullets themselves very expensive? The powder and the cartridge and primer are certainly no more than 5.56. Why is it twice as much? Genuinely interested.


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jagpilotohio

Well 300 has always been substantially more than 5.56. It can’t possibly be just about supply and demand issues.


cdillon42

Bullets for 223 usually are about 10 cents per and 300blk supers are about 18-22 cents per and subs are about 20-35cents per. Subs use less powder and primers are the same. Brass is more expensive because less people shoot 300blk


MinutemanMunitions

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