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Immigration Brazil - Canada

I have some questions for you guys. First some context, here in Brazil, things are just unbelievable, the living costs on the capital is 6x minimum wage and 2x medium wage. To buy a car I'd have to save 5 or more years. And to get in details, going to the movies is about 4 hour of work on minimum wage, an android phone is 2 whole months, a Nintendo switch is 3.5 months a switch game is 10 days of work. I work as developer, and even with in comparison with the average population, my earns are not able to compete with the prices. So I'm considering Canada, since the minimum wage can afford a minimum life cost (as far as I've researched) and as developer I can make a good annual amount. For people who live there. What is the average living cost monthly (including vehicle/Uber, health (I know it's public), rent, food, insurance, bills, and some more details if you can provide. Thanks guys ♥️

UlyNeves

Brazilian here. I don't think the reasons you listed are good enough reasons and let me explain why. I came to Canada as a student, which meant that I had to pay over 100k CAD in tuition fees (today that would be worth around 360k reais), that doesn't include what I had to spend in cost of living. Since I had a Canadian degree and was young when I moved here, I was lucky enough to get a good job. It isn't high earnings, but it is good enough. Now, the reason why I said that your motives aren't good enough is that immigration takes time and money. It is honestly a horribly stressful process. It took me almost 9 years in Canada (thanks to COVID) to get my Permanent Residency, nine years! For nine years, this country wasn't "my country", I was here as a temporary resident. I cannot express what being in a foreign country, without your family, with the uncertainty of whether or not your immigration plans will work, feels like. For you to immigrate to Canada, you have a few options: - Come as a student and go through the Canadian Experience program | Pros: You'd have a Canadian education which would increase your chances of getting a better job. Assuming, of course, that you attended a good institution and used your student time to be proactive. | Cons: Costs lots of money and takes time. - Get a job offer: [LMIAs](https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=163) is how an employer in Canada can hire foreign labour. It would give you a closed work permit with that company. | Pros: You'd have a job guaranteed and the employer would do the whole immigration process for you. | Cons: LMIAs are complicated for employers and it costs money. Unless your labour is very niched and cannot be done by someone else in Canada, you are unlikely to get one. - Express Entry: If you have enough points (qualifications, age, education etc), you could be invited through an EE draw. There are a few categories within it. | Pros: If you are highly qualified, it's likely the 'cheapest way' to immigrate. | Cons: If you aren't qualified, you are unlikely to get an invitation. It can also take an absurd amount of time. For some of these programs, you'd also have to prove that you have enough money in your account to maintain yourself. For one individual, proof of funds is $13,757 CAD (around 50k reais) and that number increases if you are bringing more family members. On top of that, you'd likely spend around 2k CAD (around 8K reais) in total (medical exams, translations, application fees etc) to apply through EE. - PNP: Canada has provincial programs. These, of course, depend on each province but think of them as mini-Express Entries. | Pros: You'd give you extra points to apply through EE. | Cons: Similar cons to the EE mentioned above. Now, let's say that you do find a way to come to Canada. Currently, the country is going through a housing crisis. So, buying a house, unless you had a lot of cash (think over 800k reais), would not be doable anytime soon. Renting, again depending where you are, would cost you at least 1.2k CAD for a nice place. If you are in the middle of nowhere, this might be cheaper but I highly doubt. For 1.2k CAD, you cannot rent something that isn't a dump anywhere near the big cities. So forget Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver, etc. Canada has frigid temperatures for 3-6 months out of the year, depending where you end up. You'd need nice winter clothes (they tend to be on the expensive side) that can keep you warm during -20C weather. If you are renting a place that needs shovelling, you'd be doing that every snow storm. If you end up getting a car, you'd need money for winter tires and yearly inspections as salt added to roads tend to destroy cars. If you don't have a car, ideally you want to live somewhere near public transportation (that will be cost on rent). Public transportation in Canada is not very reliable and monthly passes will be costing you around 100$CAD, at least. Winter also means that utilities go up. If your place uses electric heating, be ready for a hefty hydro bill. If it's gas, you'd pay electricity on top of gas. Depending on whether you rent or own, you'd also need to pay water and property taxes. Internet and cellphone can be cheap if you are lucky/know where to look. Both, combined, can probably be around 100-150$CAD per month, depending on what you need. That number can also be very high. Groceries in Canada are also going through the roof. This will depend on your eating habits but, for one person only, be ready to spend anywhere between 150$ to 300$ CAD per month with groceries. While health care is free, Ontario (for example) is going through a health care crisis. Be ready to wait months for a referral. If you need to go to the ER, it isn't uncommon to wait for 8+ hours. If you don't have a family doctor, health related issues will be even harder to address. Now... Can you buy an android phone for cheap? Sure. Can you buy a Nintendo Switch? Sure, they aren't cheap tho (around 500$CAD after taxes). But if those are the only reasons why you are planning on immigrating, 'to be able to buy superfluous items', it isn't worth it. I know from many Brazilian immigrants here... Unless you have a really good career experience, your Brazilian degree here is worth peanuts. If you are comfortable with fighting for everything you already have in Brazil, all over again, I'd say go for it. If not, and you just want nice things, maybe look for a better job or consider moving to a more affordable city.


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Brazilian here as well. Waiting for my PR to be approved. Yes very good points. I would say for OP to carefully research about his chances of immigration in Canada and spend a few years planning and saving money, if he/she really wants to pursue it. I was saving $ for almost 8 years to come here. All my money was spent in my first year in Canada. I was lucky my boyfriend had already moved to Canada and was already PR when I came here. It would be much much harder to settle alone.


MuuhRenai

Saving is a problem in Brazil since we barely pay the bills. But, I'm thinking about working for a Canadian company home office, and try to get some CAD currency money, so I don't need to make my saving worth 4x less when moving... Maybe it's a better way to save(considering I can get a remote job being paid in CAD)


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yes. I managed to save because I was living with my parents, while working temporary contracts ( up to 9 months) that allowed me to cash the FGTS at the end of contracts, and that also paid extra for night shifts, overtime and holidays ( tv channel). Then I finally became fulltime regular contract, while also doing small freelance gigs whenever I had free time ( tough I fucked my health by doing that). of all my friends working in creative industries like me, the few that still live in Brazil and are doing good are the ones mainly freelancing to international studios from North America and Europe. They don't think about moving out if Brazil. But the ones working mostly for Brazilian clients are not in a good spot. And the great majority of people I know left to work in other countries ( design, film/tv/animation/vfx , advertising, gaming industries ). But most did it between 2014-2019.


MuuhRenai

Hmmm so it's really a possibility. I work as developer so I think this would work too. Working clt contracts, or temporary does give some money, the more you stay the more you get when leaving the job. But it's good to know that my plan is indeed a thing


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problem is finding remote work for foreign clients while living in BR. it is not easy. it's hard to pop into the right contact bubbles. I don't know about developers but for most creative companies, they always prefer to hire people that can work and move to the city/provinces the company is, even when remote freelancers, because most companies get nice tax benefits when hiring local people or people living in the provinces and countries they're in. So it can be hard to find remote freelance work without a work visa sometimes. Advertising is usually the most flexible in this aspect. But you can find option in other industries... as long as you contact the right people and have enough word of mouth to back you up and refer you as a good professional. getting into the bubble is the hardest part. once you're inside it becomes a bit easier to have your name passed along.


anaofarendelle

So real!! And I’ll add there is the job market crisis here too! I just arrived on a student visa and I’m working towards the EE with French, I barely got any job interviews with 8 years of good, reliable jobs in Brasil and the ones I did it’s all because I speak French. Also, since I am not a PR I don’t have access to the same health care as Canadians, just rely on the college clinic! Whereas in Brazil SUS is really universal.


MuuhRenai

This is a thing to consider. Definitely. Not just the health problem, but 8y experience and no job? This is definitely a thing. Not as if it's easy to get job here, but I thought it was easier out there.


anaofarendelle

I thought so too. I would be able to get a retail/fast food one real fast. But not one that allows me to use my diplomas. The market is been impacted by layovers, so they are still not hiring again. To work on the government (the biggest employer in Ottawa) I would need to have at least a PR - but they’ve set the score are 480 ~ 500 and I’m not there, yet. To me, since I’m 100% willing to stay and work retail if needed, it’s ok. But it’s a perspective you need to see.


MuuhRenai

Hmm I see, so the problem sometimes is work on the field you have study, it's definitely a problem. But the money on retail/common jobs don't pay the bills? I mean, this might help until you find a job on your field.


anaofarendelle

I would say it’s working in a diploma required position - I have several classmates in my post grad from different backgrounds and no one is finding anything. Minimum wage is 16 CAD/hour, so about 2500/month (without taxes). And that is what rent might cost you if tou want to live alone (as in not living in someone’s basement).


MuuhRenai

Yes it's surely more than minimum wage to live in good conditions... It's sad to see this crash on jobs in such a good country. Hope it gets better soon...


anaofarendelle

it should be better soon, but its good to set the expectations. I am somewhat frustrated with how people paint it to be x how it really is


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Why don’t you have access to same health care as Canadians? You have a student visa, you should be covered by provincial health insurance


anaofarendelle

I was told by the university that I have a health insurance by them that limits my hospital and clinics available, but I don’t have access to OHIP for not being a resident.


[deleted]

I don’t live in ON so I don’t know about ON, but you are a resident A temporary resident is a resident Your time here even counts toward PR (each day counts as half a day, capped at 1 year)


anaofarendelle

Yes!! I don’t know how that works, but I know I have access to health, just not the same as Canadians. I needed an ASD and ADHD screen test, and couldn’t get the insurance to pay nor OHIP or the Canadian students insurance. When compared to Brazil, it’s clear the difference. Anyone there can have access to healthcare may take a while but they will be seen


anaofarendelle

Yes!! I don’t know how that works, but I know I have access to health, just not the same as Canadians. I needed an ASD and ADHD screen test, and couldn’t get the insurance to pay nor OHIP or the Canadian students insurance. When compared to Brazil, it’s clear the difference. Anyone there can have access to healthcare may take a while but they will be seen


anaofarendelle

Yes!! I don’t know how that works, but I know I have access to health, just not the same as Canadians. I needed an ASD and ADHD screen test, and couldn’t get the insurance to pay nor OHIP or the Canadian students insurance. When compared to Brazil, it’s clear the difference. Anyone there can have access to healthcare may take a while but they will be seen


MuuhRenai

Hmm you do make some good points. Now, without further research, when I compare realities I still think Canada (not Toronto, Vancouver, etc) still might have better life quality than Brazil. Or do you guys think I'm wrong? I live in Santo André, SP. It's one of the greatest cities close to the capital. Finding a job here is hard, and when you do, they pay the real minimum wage estimated to sp (which is 6k reais), you might think tha it's a lot, but I pay 2.5k (rent), 1k (groceries), 400 (health), 120(water), 250(energy) and the list goes a little further. And in Canada I see with a little more than minimum wage I have the same things that here, I need 6 minimum wages to get... So don't you guys think it's worth it to try? Or probably I'll end up with the same problem we have here? Also, about immigration, I see it's harder than I thought, but if it's worth it, I'll try some of the ways you pointed out. But only if moving is a good choice. And another thing, I don't think buying a good phone, being able to buy furniture, and entertainment is just superfluous, I agree it's not a good reason alone, but in a lifetime it's important. In Brazil 2023 on pair of pants is 2/10 of the minimum wage, unaffordable.


Letoust

You might end up with the same problem but in 4ft of snow with temperatures in the -20s Celsius. Have you considered our harsh winters as a factor? On top of our fairly high cost of living, our weather conditions can be brutal for someone coming from the south like you. I would recommend to plan a visit in the middle of February. You can really experience Canada and then you can make a more informed decision. I usually wouldn’t say the weather is that much of a detriment BUT if you’re looking for cheaper, Canada really is not cheap right now but it sure gets cold and crappy. So on top of not saving/making much more money, you get to freeze too. Oh, and outside any expensive metro areas, you 💯 need a vehicle so add that to your expenses.


MuuhRenai

Hmm I think it's hard the situation get worse than Brazil, itstso dangerous here. But I do get what you are saying... I don't even know how it is less than -5(never experienced). If I get the money I sure will travel to Canada to see things and all, and experience if I can take the weather 🥲. Considering what lots of people are telling me, that Canada is expensive now, and not so good. Do you recommend another country that is better about general safeness, prices, and life quality?


Letoust

🤷🏻‍♀️ I’ve only known Canada. A quick google search says Portugal, Vietnam and Thailand are cheapest/safest. I’m not trying to discourage you from Canada but if your sole motivation is money, cost of living is pretty crazy here too. Using your comparisons, a stick of butter and a carton of eggs is equivalent to one hour of minimum wages; living costs (rent, utilities, etc) is probably at least 10-15 days of full time minimum wage work for a roach infested apartment.


x_h_w

You made great points!


Unlikely-Telephone99

You spent over 100k Cad in tuition fee?? May I know what you studied?


UlyNeves

4 years of university, 23-24k per year. And no, I won't go into details on Reddit but it was a Bachelor of Arts, with Honours from a Canadian University. Just go to any university and see how much their tuition fee is per year. McGill alone is charging 39k per year for a BA (no specialization).


Holiday-Goose-9783

Where in Canada do you want to live? Cost of living varies greatly from Province to Province and from city to city, so you'd need to be specific on what city you want to live, on order for us to answer these questions about cost of living. Also, these questions about cost of living would be best suited to the subreddit of the Province and city/town you want to live in, than this one, as these are very local questions.


MuuhRenai

Oh thank you, it helps a lot


Professional_Ad_3631

Minimum wage can afford minimum life cost lol.


MuuhRenai

No? I mean, I don't know so can you explain to me please?


Professional_Ad_3631

Just remember here or anywhere is not paradise and don’t trust anything online until you come in person. Immigration is a big decision, and many came here for better life but it turns out they had worse life


MuuhRenai

Hmm thanks... Do you recommend any specific city for me to visit, something like research trip


NerdHayden

Dá uma olhada no r/cscareerquestionsCAD. tá dificílimo achar vaga de desenvolvedor por aqui. Fora o custo de vida e aluguel que é um absurdo.


Stunticonsfan

I used to rent a basement apartment in a good neighborhood in Toronto. I was fortunate, because the rent was $700 a month with all utilities included, but this was very much out of the ordinary. Most people pay far more in rent. Anyway, because of this I was able to save more than enough money for a down payment on a condo. I don't have a car, so I spend about $120 a month on public transportation, but I definitely feel the downside of this in winter, when I'm shivering at the bus stop. Still, it could be worse. I worked for eight months in Nunavut, on Baffin Island. I'll take Toronto over that any day.


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MuuhRenai

Mds não tá fácil tmb aí. O que penso é que o piso aí é muito mais justo que aqui... Metade do país passa fome, e a outra metade sobrevive kkkk. Vc acha que aí tem mais chances de construir algo financeiramente? Achar vaga aí tmb tá difícil? Vi mta gente falando isso, realmente dificulta mto o processo, e olha que TI é uma área estourada que costuma ter muita oportunidade. O que você acha por exemplo de trabalhar em Uber e um trabalho remoto ganhando em dol ou CAD aí? Acha que funcionária? Aluguel se vc for ver até está okay aí, pago 2.5 salários mínimos aqui kkk e nem moro na cidade capital. Mas sei que é difícil, a gente espera mais de um país de "primeiro mundo"


[deleted]

Nao é fácil em nenhum lugar rsrs Tipo, daria pra eu baixar meu custo de vida. Eu moro em um prédio bom e tals, no centro da roça. Podia morar na pqp em um prédio furreba, em um basement, daria pra viver com menos. O q parece valer mais a pena financeiramente hj em dia é trabalhar remoto pra empresa americana, ganhando em dólar. Eu trabalho pra empresa daqui, ganho em CAD Eu falei o salário mínimo né, provavelmente vc vai ganhar mais como desenvolvedor. Eu diria que pelo menos uns 20 CAD a hora, e isso seria baixo ainda. Mas eu n tenho como te garantir nada.