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They all suck in my opinion but if I am correct, the liberal democrats align closest to me.


EulalieLingerie

Lib Dem, Conservative and Labour are all just different shades of the same progressive, globalist, neo-liberalism that has dominated British politics since Tony Blair. The fact that your current Tory PM was once a Liberal Democrat is an example of this.


BeardedDenim

Voted for Green in the poll but would love to see r/BreakthroughParty get a seat or two


_seaplane

Where’s Lord Buckethead and Count Binface?


Creative_Host_fart

No SNP in here. More mps than the libs, reform and green put together.


Low_Entertainment_96

Lower vote share tho


CameroniteTory

Less votes then libs, not a national party,


Ketwobi

Not a national party


covidexhausted

It’s in the name lol


GovernmentNo2538

Yeah, Scottish national party, its not a British national party although I still don't know why it doesn't count since the poll didn't specify national parties.


Creative_Host_fart

In order to stand at Westminster they have to register as a British national party……….


Chance-Geologist-833

They don’t stand anywhere out of Scotland, if you live in the majority of the country you can’t vote for them i.e. not a national party.


GovernmentNo2538

The snp are a registered party and hold the third most seats in Westminster, however they only stand for election in Scotland which is what i think people are getting at by it not being a national party.


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I really cannot understand how one could vote for Tories or Labour.


BigYellowPraxis

Easy. If you think one of them is worse, you vote for the other if you believe it's the only way of stopping the worse party getting in to power


[deleted]

Problem is everyone voted without thinking or are obligated to choose someone. Mass vote disqualification is better than civil unrest or civil disobedience. Everyone forgets that this country belongs to the people not the politicians


BigYellowPraxis

The simple fact is that if you don't vote for who you think is at least *less bad*, the party who you think is worse is more likely to win. That doesn't mean you're obliged to vote either which way, but that's the reasoning, and it makes sense. That's the very simple explanation of why people vote Tory or Labour. I personally think Labour is far less bad than the Conservative Party, but I'm under no illusion that they're perfect. I tend to vote Labour or Green (though Green are also far from perfect, but such is the reality of human institutions)


Zbrivwyyyw

I shitting hate all of these


sdfcsss

Where's BNP/UKIP


Plugfork

They were absorbed by the Tories.


sdfcsss

>Cabinet full of Indians Yeah I don't think so


CameroniteTory

They’re irrelevant.


foreskinChewer

UKIP is pretty irrelevant now considering we are out of the EU, I thought most of their members joined Reform if they stayed in politics. Also the BNP is a fringe fascist party. They only have about 500 members according to wikipedia, there is no reason to give some legitimacy to their hateful ideology. Not to mention there are probably scores of other parties with more members if the only metric of how popular a party is how many members it has.


JonahF2014

Out of the major ones either the SNP (I really just want Scottish independence) or Corbyn Labour from all I've heard sounds not too bad


CameroniteTory

Scotland voted against independence and independence would destroy Scotland’s economy.


JonahF2014

Yes, Scotland voted by a very slim margin and BEFORE BREXIT. Staying in the EU was one of the huge talking points as to why Scotland shouldn't vote yes, and as soon as they barely stay in they get back stabbed by leaving anyway (which they voted against). Also the Scottish economy thing is a myth, yeah they couldn't easily sustain their current welfare system with the current income alone, however it's extremely easy to get the necessary money, and if absolutely necessary they could theoretically also just decrease spending, but there's far smaller countries than Scotland with far less going for them that are doing just fine; "muh economy" is a retarded argument against separatism.


CameroniteTory

Scotland run a deficit 9% of its GDP before covid, that’s not sustainable, especially as the U.K. govt subsidises that, they’d have to do austerity. Spain would also veto Scotland joining EU and the tories adopted the EU referendum policy before Scotland voted.


early_onset_villainy

Scotland being attached to the sinking ship that is England will be what destroys them. Our government situation is horrific; Scotland should be given the chance to be free of it, or else we’ll drag them down with us. Edit: word change


SomeCrusader1224

None of the above


GovernmentNo2538

None, the snp is the third biggest UK party so I have no idea why they aren't here but greens/lib dems/reform are


Ketwobi

Not a national party


GovernmentNo2538

It says mainstream British party. The snp is still a British party since Scotland is indeed part of Britain and third biggest sounds pretty mainstream to me


CameroniteTory

SNP aren’t third biggest in votes + only national parties


GovernmentNo2538

No but they are the third biggest in terms of seats since they only stand in Scotland and the post didn't say only national parties, just mainstream and British


Low_Entertainment_96

Lib Dem’s are more popular, greens probably will be next election too


GovernmentNo2538

True but the snp still have the third most seats bc of the way votes are counted. I'd say its a mainstream party but if you disagree I'd like to know why other than the fact some parties get more votes, bc a lot of parties also get a lot less than the snp


Low_Entertainment_96

I do think it’s a mainstream party, it’s just not the third biggest uk party.


GovernmentNo2538

They are in terms of parliamentary seats, I just chose poor wording, so sorry for the confusion.


EulalieLingerie

Where's Reclaim?


CameroniteTory

Irrelevant


EulalieLingerie

Maybe. Maybe not.


Famous_Soft_1173

Kinda hate them all, but Labour would be the closest to me


CameroniteTory

Greens are further left then labour.


Sloaneer

Depends. Sometimes they have some truly ridiculous anti-worker policies in the name of the environment. Such as trying to make it more expensive for visitors to park in hospital car parks and such.


BigYellowPraxis

From what I recall (and this was a couple years ago right? Or even more, before COVID), that was actually just a *proposal* by one Green Councillor (or maybe someone else?) that was very quickly abandoned. Obviously it *is* a terrible idea, but far from a policy, and I hardly think it's a big deal if one person in the party suggests a bad idea (if that's your standard for a crap party, then, well, you're going to hate every human institution and organisation ever)


Sloaneer

> going to hate every human institution and organisation ever I certainly don't need any help with that.


BigYellowPraxis

What a brilliant and thoughtful response. I'm sure you'll continue to engage with politics in a productive way, and effect real change with that attitude in the coming years


Sloaneer

It was a joke you mouldy, cheerless bastard, Jesus H Christ apologies for not taking r/ideologypolls seriously enough you sad old sod.


BigYellowPraxis

I've literally never been on this sub until a couple hours ago so it's not like I take this place super seriously myself. You're perfectly entitled to tell bad jokes ofc, but don't clutch your pearls when someone takes your statements seriously. I could just as easily accuse you of being a cheerless, sad old sod given your overreaction to me, no?


Sloaneer

Nope mate. Afraid not. And that's not what 'pearl clutching' is. "Ah so her hyperbolic, angsty comment was a joke...this must mean her next overblown, moody comment must be deadly serious!" Genius mate.


BigYellowPraxis

>Genius mate. cheers


GoodboyJohnnyBoy

I charge £120 per hour or part thereof for market research to whom do I invoice?


Chance-Geologist-833

Where’s *Enough is Enough*!! /s


thatkid1992

Definitely not tories, lib dem (tory light), not labour which they have kier starmer at the helm (since he's a Tory claiming to be labour). Only green has anything decent going on


SovietGengar

Volt would be my vote.


IndependentAd5820

Reclaim


icyartillery

(American right) none, they’re all commies


CameroniteTory

How tf are reform communist? Or the tories.


icyartillery

I mean, considering the American left is further right than even the tories, yeah.


CameroniteTory

No they’re not.


IHaveLowEyes

I'm a republican in America so I assume the conservative party is my best bet.


anewdawncomes

Wild how greens are second most popular yet apparently we live in a democracy


CameroniteTory

Theyre the most popular on Reddit which doesn’t represent the general public


anewdawncomes

That’s certainly true that Reddit doesn’t reflect the population but neither does first past the post


CameroniteTory

It’s the least bad system we can democratically implement.


anewdawncomes

That’s just dogma talking. Do you believe that or are you’re just repeating what you’ve taken at face value? There’s so many other forms of democracy that actually implement the aims of democracy far better than first past the post.


CameroniteTory

Name a better alternative.


anewdawncomes

Do you not know of any of the literally countless other forms of democracy?


CameroniteTory

I do, but they’re not better then first past the post, can you name a better system?


anewdawncomes

You’re either dishonest or naive: most of them are much better at implementing democracy “the will of the people”, this includes forms of direct democracy, consensus democracy and even most other kinds of representative democracy (which I a personally disagree with any), literally most of them are more democrat than first past the post. However first past the post is effective (or “better”) at maintaining power under the illusion of democracy, which is what it’s designed to do. I’m not surprised that you support first past the post as a Tory, because it’s how the political establishment has maintained power for the last few hundred years. But don’t kid yourself or others that it’s democratic because that idea falls apart under any sort of scrutiny.


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anewdawncomes

I don’t know what your background is but you’re either a useful idiot for the ruling class or trying to convince others to be the same haha


anewdawncomes

How come plaid weren’t included?